Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

What do Francis of Assisi and El Greco have in common?

    They're both European Saints???

    Who was the shortest man in the Bible?
    
    

    Bzzzt....Nehemiah (Knee High Miah)
    
    Oh well, I tried!
    
    -Jack

What do Francis of Assisi and El Greco have in common?
        ^^^^^^^               ^^^^^^^^

These are not the names they were born with.  The names were acquired and
refer, strangely enough, to a national identity:

Francis, the Frenchman (Actually, his mother was French)

El Greco, the Greek

El Greco was an artist.

Shalom,
Richard

    What do you get when you cross a dyslexic, insomiac, and an agnostic
    
    Someone who stays up all night pondering whether there really is a Dog.

    Ha!!  Good one!!!!

According to the Bible, what was the first thing God made holy?

	Re: 1087.8  Richard

	> ..... what was the first thing God made holy?

	If the question were vocalized:

	-  God first *wholly* created the universe.

	-  But He made the Earth *holey* (so that the waters could spring up
	   from the deep).

	-  *Ho Li* was trading in silks around 3500 BC (outside of the sphere
	   of early Hebrew writings).

	I would postulate that the first *holy* item was either the famous
	tree in Eden, or the sin which was its -- indirect -- fruit.

	:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

	Greetings, Derek.
        

    Richard:
    
    My guess would be it was the Sabbath day.  For it was a day to be set
    apart...which is what Holy means!  
    
    -Jack

    Answer to .8
    
    Jack is correct.  The first thing to be made holy was not an object or
    even a place, but a time.  The seventh day.
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    

How many of each kind of animal was Noah to take aboard the Ark?

Shalom,
Richard

    one.
    
    because the male kind is different than the female kind?

    .13
    
    Eric,
    
    	The answer is a little more straightforward.  It's really not a
    trick question.
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    

    It was two of every kind except for certain types of birds....right?

  2 of the "unclean" animals and 7 of the "clean" animals.

  Leslie

    .16
    
    Close.  I think you'll find the correct answer is:
    
    One pair of "unclean" animals.  Seven pair of "clean" animals.
                                          ^^^^
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    

    According to Matthew, how many "wise men" (magi, astrologers) visited
    the infant Jesus?
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    

    
    
    Ahhhhaaaa...a trick question.  You want me to say three but I will
    not!!
    
    I think it just says wise men but doesn't specify a number!  Right???
    

Re: .17 Richard

>    Close.  I think you'll find the correct answer is:
>    
>    One pair of "unclean" animals.  Seven pair of "clean" animals.
>                                          ^^^^

It depends on which version of the story you are reading.

	And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of
	every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall
	be male and female.
					Genesis 6:19 (RSV)

	Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his
	mate; and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and
	his mate; and seven pairs of the birds of the air also, male and
	female, to keep their kind alive on the face of all the earth.
					Genesis 7:2-3 (RSV)

Why the discrepency?  According to Richard Friedman's "Who Wrote The
Bible?", Genesis 6:19 is part of the "P" (Priestly) source document while
Genesis 7:2-3 is part of "J", the "Jahvist" (Jehovah) source document.  In
J it was necessary to have seven pairs of the clean animals so that some
could be sacrificed without extinguishing a species, while in P, written
by priests of Aaron, there were no sacrifices until Aaron appeared on the
scene; sacrifices could only be performed by priests.

				-- Bob

You're right, that's what I meant - too much haste in writing :-).

Leslie

          <<< Note 1087.17 by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE "Unquenchable fire" >>>
                               -< Answer to .12 >-

    .16
    
    Close.  I think you'll find the correct answer is:
    
    One pair of "unclean" animals.  Seven pair of "clean" animals.
                                          ^^^^
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    

    .20
    
    True, true.
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    

    .19
    
    Too easy, I guess.  Matthew specifies 3 gifts, but not the number of
    givers.  So the most accurate answer would probably be: two or more.
    
    Shalom,
    Richard
    

    Re: Noah
    
    Genesis 7:2 is an elaboration or clarification of the instructions in 
    Genesis 6:19.  I'll have to double check, but I think Abraham performed
    sacrifices in Genesis so waiting for Aaron might be stretching it.
    
    Mike

Re: .24 Mike

Yes, Abraham performed sacrifices in Genesis, but only in verses taken from
the JE source, not P.

				-- Bob

Which two U.S. Presidents were Quaker?

Shalom,
Richard

    Richard Nixon was definitely one of them.  I am inclined to say Gerald
    Ford or Ronald Reagan for the other!
    
    Here's one.  Which American President was an Evangelist?
    
    -Jack

    Isn't Gerald Ford Episcopalian?  I seem to remember a story where he
    attended the Episcopal cathedral in DC on a Sunday when a woman priest
    was scheduled to preach.  Maybe she was still a deacon.  But when it
    was noted that the president was in the congregation, she was replaced
    by one of the male priests.  The president made a point of coming back
    on another Sunday when she was scheduled again and insisted that she
    not be replaced again.

    Answer to 1087.26:
    
    	Herbert Hoover
    
    	Richard Nixon
    
    

Jimmy Carter was the evangelist.

/Mike

    Actually, it was President Benjamin Harrison.  Jimmy Carter may have 
    spoken freely of his faith.  But he was a Peanut Grower, a lawyer, and
    a Statesman.
    
    -Jack

    
    Carter's sister was an evangelist.
    
    jeff

    What was the religious background of Ronald Reagan, champion
    of the conservative right during the 80s?

    /Greg

    	re past few:
    
    	Evangelist?  Do you really mean Evangelical?  Any religion
    	has evangelists...

    I meant he was an equivalent to Billy Graham or Billy Sunday.
    
    -Jack

Which four volumes in the Christian Testament contain a list of the
twelve disciples?

Which four volumes in the Christian Testament contain an account of
the last supper?

Shalom,
Richard

    just a guess.
    
    1. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John contain lists of the disciples.
    
    2. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and 1 Corinthian contain an account of the last
    supper!
    
    I hope I did not flunk!

Note 1087.37

>    just a guess.
    
>    1. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John contain lists of the disciples.

Close.  Matthew, Mark, Luke and Acts.
    
>    2. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and 1 Corinthian contain an account of the last
>    supper!

Right on!

Shalom,
Richard

    My question!
    
    
    How old was Ismael when he and his mother Hagar were expelled to the
    wilderness?
    
                                       Patricia

    Patricia,
    
    How old was Ismael when Isaac was born?

    Meg,
    
    There are two versions of the story in Genesis.  One coming from I
    believe the "E"  and the other coming from the "P" source. 
    
    According to the "P" source Ismael was born when Abraham was 86 and
    Issac was born when Abraham was 100.  Making Ismael 14 when Isaac was
    born. 
    
    According to the "E" source, Hagar and the infant child Ismael were
    expelled from Abraham's and Sarah's household, after Isaac was born. 
    This would make Ismael an infant when Isaac was born.
    
    The "E" source is the older source, so the answer was he was an infant
    according to the older tradition.

    Of course, I must apologize to Richard.
    
    He has already asked this question earlier in this stream.  Caught up
    in my study anew of Genesis I had forgotten the earlier discussion.
    
    
                               Patricia

Note 1087.42

>    Of course, I must apologize to Richard.

No problem.
    
>    He has already asked this question earlier in this stream.  Caught up
>    in my study anew of Genesis I had forgotten the earlier discussion.

See topic 1050, "Hagar, Ishmael and chronology"

Richard

THEOLOGY 911   *   FINAL EXAM

1.  Summarize Thomas Aquinas' _Summa Theologiae_ in three succinct
sentences.  You may use your bible.

2.  St. Martin of Tours and Pope Clement VII  were not contemporaries.
Had they known each other, how would the history of the Reformation turned
out differently?

3.  Define a moral system that satisfies Liberals, Conservatives,
Moderates, and the entire population of Ancient Rome, ca. 3 BCE.

4.  Memorize the Bible.  Recite it in tongues.

5.  Imagine you have the stigmata.  Would it affect your productivity at
work?  Would you still be admitted into fine restaurants?  Would it be
covered by your medical insurance, or should it constitute a pre-existent
condition?

6.  What does it mean to be eternal, co-eternal, and non-existent all at
once?

7.  St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine of Hippo decide to rob a bank.
The note to the teller is 1,200 pages long, not counting footnotes,
complete with a promise of damnation if the teller does not accept
immediate Baptism.  In the middle of the heist, they engage in an
extended debate as to whether or not the money really exists.
    Are they committing a mortal or a venial sin?

8.  Speculate on what the current status of salvation history might have
been if Abraham had just stayed in Ur.
    
    "lifted from the Web"

The "Pat" in Pat Robertson is actually a nickname.  What is his real name?

    Marion Gordon Robertson

    .46
    
    We have a winner!
    

    According to the Bible, who provided the instructions for the
    construction of the vessel known as Noah's Ark?
    
    Richard
    

    Probably a trick question....God??

re .110

	Richard,

	According to Genesis 6:13-16 & 22 it was Jehovah God, though
	these verses don't go into full detail we are able to see 
	the size that the Ark was to be when completed. 

        Genesis 6:13-16 NWT 'After that God said to Noah: "The end of 
	all flesh has come before me, because the earth is full of 
	violence as a result of them; and here I am bringing them to 
	ruin together with the earth. 14 Make for yourself an ark out 
	of wood of a resinous tree. You will make compartments in the ark, 
	and you must cover it inside and outside with tar. 15 And this is 
	how you will make it: three hundred cubits the length of the ark, 
	fifty cubits its width, and thirty cubits its height. 16 You will 
	make a tso'har [roof; or, window] for the ark, and you will complete 
	it to the extent of a cubit upward, and the entrance of the ark you 
	will put in its side; you will make it with a lower [story], a second 
	[story] and a third [story].' and verse 22 'And Noah proceeded to do 
	according to all that God had commanded him. He did just so.'

	If I remember rightly a cubit is close to 1.5 feet (17.5 inches) in 
	length, so that  Ark was likely to be chestlike retangular shape with 
	dimensions of 437 ft 6 inches X 72 ft 11in X 43 ft 9 inches . It 
	would have been quite a sight once built.

	Phil.

    Not a trick question.
    
    The answer I was looking for to 1087.110 is "God."
    
    Richard
    

    I read a thesis on this subject by my Pastor.
    
    Apparently the word for the pitch used to seal the ark is from the same
    root word for atonement.  The covering and all.....

    That's correct, Jack.  "Kaphar" is used in the OT 71 times and is
    translated as "atonement" in 70 of them.  Genesis 6:14 is the lone
    exception, but it is still a typological picture of atonement (i.e.,
    salvation).
    
    Mike