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| 1037.1 | Born again | FABBIT::T_PLAHM | | Wed Jan 11 1995 07:13 | 12 |
| Let us not forget about what is written in Romans 10: 9 and 10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
belive in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be
saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth
confession is made unto salvation.
S.I.T.
Tom
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| 1037.2 | | DECALP::GUTZWILLER | happiness- U want what U have | Wed Jan 11 1995 10:02 | 11 |
| .0> Yet our attempt to define the meaning of these threewords:
.0> "...believes in him..." has resulted in some of the most
.0> despicable, venomous and (in my opinion) the most un-Christian
.0> exchanges I have been privy to.
would you consider my thoughts in 1035.1 "despicable, venomous"? i'll accept
the "un-christian", but they are the result of much reflection.
andreas.
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| 1037.3 | | HURON::MYERS | | Wed Jan 11 1995 11:06 | 5 |
| No, Andreas, your 1035.1 was not despicable or venomous. I
wasn't thinking of any one note in particular.
Eric
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| 1037.4 | | HURON::MYERS | | Wed Jan 11 1995 11:17 | 7 |
| re .1
While this may be true, I don't believe it is a *requirement* for
salvation. Verse 10 is basically saying that faith without action is a
dead faith.
Eric
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| 1037.5 | | MKOTS3::JMARTIN | I lied; I hate the fat dinosaur | Wed Jan 11 1995 11:56 | 8 |
| Eric:
Could you please expand your thoughts a little...mainly on the word
believe.
Thx.,
-Jack
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| 1037.6 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Unquenchable fire | Wed Jan 11 1995 16:04 | 9 |
| To me, the rest of John 3.16 is found in John 3.17 (which hasn't
had near the press):
"For God did not send his Son into the world to be its judge, but
to be its savior." (TEV)
Shalom,
Richard
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| 1037.7 | | APACHE::MYERS | | Wed Jan 11 1995 19:00 | 32 |
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Re .6 Thank you, Richard. Very good point.
RE .5
The question is not so much "what do I mean by the word 'believe'" but
"what does it mean to believe in Jesus." Patricia entered this in
another conference. This is what I think it means to believe in Jesus.
> The Bible does make it clear that Jesus saves. THe Bible does not make
> it clear at all how Jesus saves. The present President of the UUA has
> a quote that says some people believe that the most important thing
> about Jesus Christ was his miraculous birth and his miraculous death.
> Others believe it is how he lived, what he taught, and how he alone
> revealed God. John's Gospel establishes Jesus as the unique revealer
> of God. How does he reveal God to us? Through his teaching,
> preaching, and modelling obedience to God. To say the most important
> thing about Jesus is how his death on the Cross somehow magically
> exonerates us from our sins obliterates what many consider the real
> substance of Jesus as the revealer of God. His teaching, preaching,
> and example. The Lord's prayer teaches us to pray directly to God and
> ask God to forgive us our sins. This means that what it says. No
> hidden meaning. All we need do for God to forgive our sins is to
> honestly ask God to forgive our sins. This has nothing to do with what
> Jesus did on the Cross. It has all to do with following Jesus'
> teaching to us as recorded in Matthew and Mark.
Peace,
Eric
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