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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

808.0. "What attitudes/actions brought on persecution?" by AIMHI::JMARTIN () Tue Dec 21 1993 19:19

    Lets add a little twist to this.  It seems many hold the beginning
    church a the model for which we should base our churches on.  Therfore,
    the question is:  what was it in their actions or attitudes them
    brought wide persecution among them.  
    
    -Jack
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808.1AIMHI::JMARTINTue Dec 21 1993 20:331
    Footnote: Yes Cindy, I see all the typos in the base note!! :-)
808.2Persecution because Satan is the ruler of this world and that true Christians observe what Jesus' name stands for.RDGENG::YERKESSbring me sunshine in your smileWed Dec 22 1993 08:0338

	Jack,

	Jesus told his disciples "you will be hated by all for my name's 
	sake." Mark 13:13 RSV. He was not talking about the name Jesus,
	but observing what his name stands for. That is observing his
	commands above that of everything else. For this reason Jesus'
	disciples are persecuted in that they put Jesus' commands above
	that of any earthly government. That is not to say that they 
	would be disobedient to the government in power, for they should 
	be model citizens, just that they would Jesus commands first 
	(compare Acts 4:19,20, Matthew 28:19,20).

	Jesus also told them "If the world hates you, know that it has 
	hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world 
	loves its own, but you are out of the world, therefore the world 
	hates you." John 15:18-19 RSV  The Bible identifies Satan as the 
	one controlling the world (1 John 5:19, Revelation 12:17), he is 
	the one who instagates persecuition against true Christians. 


	So there are two things:

	1) Satan the Devil instagates persecution against Christians

	2) Christians are no part of the world. Their morals highlight 
	   the immoral acts of ungodly persons and for this reason they 
           are persecuted. For example this was true of the first Century 
	   Christians who received persecution from the Roman people, for 
           their good conduct highlighted the immoral acts of the Romans 
           pricking their consciences. Rather than repenting, the Romans 
	   persecuted them in their Collosseum's (sp?). Perhaps they felt, 
	   that if these moral people were out of the way then they could
	   continue practicing their immoral acts without having a guilty 
           conscience.

	Phil.
808.3Persecution and QuakersCSC32::J_CHRISTIEOn loan from GodThu Dec 23 1993 17:0418
I know a little about why the early Quakers were severely persecuted.
It was because they refused to swear an oath of allegiance to existing
governmental powers.

Quakers also found themselves in hot water for not removing the hat
before royalty.  Early Quakers infuriated the clergy when visiting
"steeplehouses" on Sundays by wearing the hat when disagreeing with
what was being said during the sermon and removing the hat when in
agreement.

Modern Quakers have found themselves at odds with the government on
a number of issues.  Some have been incarcerated for refusing military
service, for refusing to pay war taxes and for other acts of civil
disobediance.

Peace,
Richard

808.4they also made handy scapegoatsCVG::THOMPSONWho will rid me of this meddlesome priest?Sun Dec 26 1993 23:257
        The earliest Christians were widely believed to be atheists. At least
    they didn't believe in or worship the gods of the ruling class. In some
    places and at some times religion and government were so intertwined
    that rejection of the state religion was considered treason. For that
    reason many were killed.

    			Alfred