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| 742.1 | sure, it's not so uncommon | DLO15::FRANCEY | | Sat Oct 16 1993 15:38 | 23 |
| Sometimes I've gone rushing into a situation trying to help out which
more likely is closer to trying to be the saviour (that I'm not) and
the end result was that the person I was trying to help never took
ownership - and so the effort was fruitless.
Sometimes I rush around with bandaids invisible to the reason for the
problem thus missing the better focus.
Others have also "helped" me when I didn't want it or wasn't able to
take it at the time it was offered.
Sometimes space is the best gift or really just being there in silence
or being there as an ear.
Most likely I'll make a few more errors of misdirected help before I'm
thru.
How about you? (Gee, I'm a poet).
Shalom,
Ron
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| 742.2 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Pacifist Hellcat | Sat Oct 16 1993 16:06 | 10 |
| Yeah, it's not always easy to know what to do. And doing what you
believe to be the right thing doesn't always turn out right (or good
or successful), it seems.
Sometimes people will take your kindness to be a sign of weakness.
It's then not difficult to become hardened, because...well...who enjoys
being taken advantage of?
Shalom,
Richard
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| 742.3 | | DLO15::FRANCEY | | Sun Oct 17 1993 16:43 | 7 |
| During worship this morning the pastor focused on the first 10 verses
of 1 Thes and on the various forms of "power": the power of coercion as
in the power of one using a gun, the power of demaoggery(sic?) when the
ones who "know" influence your minds, the power of the con-artist who
lures you into something such that you suddenly believe you cannot do
without it, the power of "doing for others" that which the one with the
powob
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| 742.4 | sermon msg today on power | DLO15::FRANCEY | | Sun Oct 17 1993 16:51 | 22 |
| sorry .. (got a modem hit) ... so continueing:
the one with the power believes the other cannot do without the
person's saving grace. To this the pastor said, nope, any decision
that is going to affect his life will be made by him, thank you very
much as even a wrong decison is betten than none and at least it is his
and he takes responsibility for it. This seemed to touch on this
topic.
And then there is the power of letting go of your own power and
transferrring it to somebody else, of strengthening up the body of
Christ thru giving others power of love. This he believes is what Paul
was saying in 1 Thes. That because of the love shown by others in
their ways of being, that he was strengthened by their love.
The sermon was w/o script and was given away from the pulpit and
amongst the parishioners.
Shalom,
Ron
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| 742.5 | do-gooders anonymous | THOLIN::TBAKER | DOS with Honor! | Mon Oct 18 1993 14:09 | 11 |
| RE: kindness backfiring
A rather cynical way of saying this:
No good deed goes unpunished.
Happens to me all to frequently.
Is "do-gooding" addictive? Sometimes I don't feel I can help it.
Tom
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| 742.6 | | AKOCOA::FLANAGAN | honor the web | Mon Oct 18 1993 15:26 | 11 |
| actually Go-Gooding can be addictive. It is called Co-Dependency.
The essential element is that the Do-gooder is really trying to do
good to prove his/her own self worth rather than an unconditional act
of goodness. In Christian Parlance, it is called "Salvation through
Works". Often this do-gooder wants to fix others without really caring
about what is really best for the other.
I sometimes find it difficult to fully undestand the difference.
Patricia
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| 742.7 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Pacifist Hellcat | Tue Oct 19 1993 02:26 | 7 |
| The one thing I've had reinforced to me in my most recent reading of
Moses and the Exodus experience is that: 1) one need not to have it
"all together" to be in God's service, and 2), God chooses to engage
human beings in God's work, rather than working in isolation.
Shalom,
Richard
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| 742.8 | Luke 10:29-37 | RDGENG::YERKESS | bring me sunshine in your smile | Tue Oct 19 1993 07:13 | 10 |
| re .6
Patricia,
From the type of person you are describing, it sounds as though
empathy and compassion are missing qualities. Jesus was a
compassionate person and in his parable of the good Samaritan
he showed what it means to show love of neighbour.
Phil.
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| 742.9 | cosmic school of management | RANGER::TBAKER | DOS With Honor | Tue Oct 19 1993 12:07 | 3 |
| RE: .7
You mean that, after the creation, God learned how to delegate?
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| 742.10 | God needs man, and man needs God | LEDS::LOPEZ | A River.. proceeding! | Tue Oct 19 1993 16:01 | 13 |
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re.7 Richard,
>God chooses to engage
> human beings in God's work, rather than working in isolation.
That's right. And it's not a small point either.
Zech 12:1 puts it altogether for me. The heavens are for the earth, the
earth is for man, and man is for God. Man is central in His plan.
regards,
ace
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