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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

655.0. "The Goddess YHWH of Israel" by COVERT::COVERT (John R. Covert) Fri Apr 30 1993 02:59

I think we can better discuss this topic in more carefully defined parts,
staying to the topic of each part.

First part:

Discussion of use of "Goddess" instead of "God" within an otherwise
orthodox Trinity: Goddess the Father/Mother, Jesus the Son, true man
and true God who is also the same one Almighty God[dess], Goddess the
Holy Spirit.

But otherwise exactly the same; i.e. only the word is different; there
is no other difference in the revelation.  Not one of the false pagan
deities of the Canaanites.  Claimed the name "I AM" when asked by Moses.
Is YHWH, the Goddess of Israel.

Discuss.
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655.1What would BAGELS think of a "Goddess of Israel"?COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Apr 30 1993 03:2616
If the user of the term "Goddess" really honestly means to practice the
Christian Faith as revealed by the Incarnation, Passion, Resurrection,
and awaited Second Coming of Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saviour, but to
just use the word "Goddess" some or all of the time I would use "God",
and to really mean the same Almighty God[dess] of Israel, the Lord of
Hosts, that the Christians, Jews, and Moslems worship -- really, honestly,
just a name change -- then I can't say yet that it's definitely not a
Christian Perspective (someone else might object and might be right!),
but I can cringe at it as strange language.

But if it is a foot in the door for a different understanding than is
reachable without using "Goddess" instead of "God", then as a Christian
stating the Historic Christian Perspective, I have to say "that goes
too far."  That deviates from the historic Faith.

/john
655.2JURAN::VALENZAMy note runneth over.Fri Apr 30 1993 12:2923
    I am not sure that it helps the discussion by breaking the categories
    that Patricia introduced into separate topics.  Those categories were
    introduced together as part of single discussion in which these
    approaches could be compared and contrasted, which you can't really do
    by breaking them up into separate categories.  Be that as it may, the
    question was raised here as to whether the name "Goddess" is nothing
    more than a name change with no implications towards the way we
    understand or perceive God.  Patricia stated in her note,
        
        "I personally believe that women need the Goddess, an image of the
        divine as feminine.  We need it to truly be comfortable with our
        identities as women.  I also believe that men need the Goddess in
        order to be comfortable with the feminine side of themselves."
    
    I think one purpose behind viewing the deity as feminine is certainly
    so that we can add balance to the metaphors through which we view God,
    because the metaphors we use affect our theological understanding and
    our self-image.  If that qualifies as "a foot in the door for a
    different understanding than is reachable without using 'Goddess'",
    then so be it.  There would be no reason to make a point of using that
    word instead of "God" if did not set out to accomplish something.

    -- Mike
655.3SDSVAX::SWEENEYPatrick Sweeney in New YorkFri Apr 30 1993 23:5311
    This is in reply to Richard's 654.37 "Shekina"
    
    The name is "Shekinah" in the Dictionary of Angels and "Shekhinah" in
    the Encyclopedia of Mysticism.
    
    In some classical Jewish thought, the glory of God.  In the Kabbala, an
    angel depicted as a female with different contacts with the people of
    Earth, and in Gnostic (Jewish) writing a bride or daughter of God.
    The identification of Shekinah as God is a heresy in Judaism.
    
    The article on Shekinah in the Ency. of Angels is almost a full page.
655.4CSC32::J_CHRISTIEDeclare Peace!Mon May 03 1993 15:386
    .3  Thank you, Patrick.  I'd learned that the term was definately feminine
    in gender and that it was applied to the active spirit of God, that is,
    akin to the Holy Spirit.
    
    Richard