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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

397.0. "Judgment...a different slant." by DPDMAI::DAWSON (as true as an arrow flies) Thu Jan 23 1992 01:18

        This coming Sunday, I will be "preaching" a service at my Church.
I wanted to give you the text only and see what ideas and thoughts you might
come up with around this passage.  My sermon is already written and ready so
this is *NOT* an attempt to gather ideas but only to stir thoughts.


    ROMANS 2:1    Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou
                  art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another,
                  thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest 
                  the same things.



             

  Have fun with this one....
    Dave
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397.1CARTUN::BERGGRENEach a piece of the puzzleThu Jan 23 1992 13:3219
    Hi Dave,
    
    What comes to mind immediately is one of my favorite quotes by James
    Baldwin:  
    
    	"One can only face in others, 
    	 what one can face in oneself."
    
    If it's (what we consider) a negative quality which we cannot face in 
    ourselves, then it gets projected outward upon another (many times
    unconsciously) and we see it there and judge/condemn it.  But yes, it
    is the same as condemning ourselves, and then aren't *we* playing God?
    
    Very best wishes in delivering your sermon.  It may not be an easy
    message for the congregation to hear, but it is an important one.  
    I know the Spirit will be with you and guide you!
    
    peace,
    Kb
397.2CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPeace: the Final FrontierThu Jan 23 1992 19:1913
It seems like Paul is telling us (via his letter to the Roman believers)
that our job is not to judge, but to love.

And a difficult thing it is to do, too.  Critical and analytical thinking
are so highly prized and rewarded in our society.

I was reading through some quotes by Martin Luther King, Jr., last night
with my son.  MLK emphasized that intelligent, critical thinking simply
isn't enough, and further, that love is not simply some lofty ideal to
be held by utopian visionaries.

Peace,
Richard
397.3ATSE::FLAHERTYThat's enough for me...Thu Jan 23 1992 19:329
    Hi Dave,
    
    Difficult topic to tackle.  I agree with Karen's thoughts; the
    Jungarian view that judgement is based on our own shadow projections.
    
    Best wishes to you on Sunday,
    
    Ro
    
397.4DPDMAI::DAWSONas true as an arrow fliesMon Feb 03 1992 19:1615
    RE: .0  Richard,
    
                    I just knew that somewhere Richard asked me how my
    sermon went and now I cannot find it.  Anyway, it went *VERY* well and
    even had some tell me that it was my best.  I feel good about it
    because I really feel that Christians have a *LOT* to learn about love.
    
                    I will say that it was *THE* most difficult sermon I
    have yet preached.  It took more energy than I thought I had and that
    coupled with this TFSO hitting *SO* close to home...I have been
    drained.
    
    
    Love,
    Dave
397.50(;^) <--that's a halo on the top...TNPUBS::PAINTERlet there be musicMon Feb 03 1992 21:044
    
    Good going Dave! 
    
    Cindy
397.6CSC32::J_CHRISTIEPeace: the Final FrontierMon Feb 03 1992 21:2710
    Dave,
    
    	Yeah, I did ask.  But when I didn't get an answer after a few days
    I decided that maybe I was being intrusive, so I deleted it.
    
    	I am glad that you were a succesful instrument of the Most High.
    And may you be refreshed and restored with Living Waters.
    
    Peace,
    Richard
397.7oops! ;-)DPDMAI::DAWSONas true as an arrow fliesMon Feb 03 1992 21:5513
    RE: .5 & .6  Cindy & Richard....
    
                  Thank you Cindy!  I feel good about it thought I wonder
    If I really deserve the Halo.  ;-)
    
    
                  No Richard, you were not being intrusive.  This
    "rightsizing" that DEC has been going through coupled with an increase
    of work has kept me preoccupied....to the extent of "tunnel" vision so
    I need to apologize for my lack of response.
    
    
    Dave