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Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
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Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
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333.0. "PLAYTOE'S LIGHT, PART IX: IS CHANTING CHRISTIAN?" by SWAM1::DOTHARD_ST (PLAYTOE) Tue Oct 29 1991 13:45

        PLAYTOE'S LIGHT, PART IX:  IS CHANTING A CHRISTIAN THING TO DO?
    
    (I posted a letter in Blacknotes, topic 428, which mentioned I was
    chanting and afterwards received a message to write a letter.)
    
    One of the responses that I received when a person read my letter to 
    the Supreme Court (see topic BN 428), knowing that I call myself  a 
    Christian, was "To which GOD do you chant?"  The person asked me this 
    to try and convict me of serving "another" god.  The question stumped 
    me initially, I could not quickly respond to it.  I had never been 
    asked that question before...I guess because I've only recently (ie 
    since reading Metu Neter) gotten into chanting.  I was stumped because 
    her question conjured up in my mind as well my preconceived notions of 
    chanting which like her's thought it to be "chanting to a god/God" of 
    some name.
    
    However, after I thought about it, I realized that the above question 
    is not an accurate one...I'd like to share my response to the question, 
    for it might be of some benefit to others.
    
    The Metu Neter, firstly, does not advocate a "name" for God, nor does 
    it ask you to chant TO God.  Instead, which is somewhat eluded to by 
    Kedar in 435.2 (I believe), it advocates that we do as the Creator did 
    to make manifest or to bring into manifestation that which is our Will 
    to create.  In other words, as God first conceived or Willed that such 
    and such a thing be he then "spoke a word" and "things stood fast" or 
    took form and became real.  Let me explain further:
    
    In Scripture it says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the 
    earth and the earth was WITHOUT FORM AND VOID".  OK.
    
    In Metu Neter, it doesn't question the reality of God, whom it refers 
    to as NETER, but affirms God by going on to examine and elaborate the 
    process by which operation of Creation being made manifest took place.  
    This process does not "contradict" the Bible, the Bible doesn't 
    elaborate on this "mystery".  
    
    Now, from this verse Genesis 1:1-2 we perceive that in the beginning 
    before anything was "formed" or "earth/matter was formed" all that was 
    there in the universe was, as described in Metu Neter, 
    "undifferentiated Energy(heaven)/Matter(Earth)".  Now can you agree, 
    that if we try to visualize the state/condition of the universe after 
    Genesis 1:1-2 (only), that all we would see is a vast sea of particles 
    some energetic (positive/heaven) and some material/matter 
    (negative/earth).  
    
    The problem with some accepting this is based upon the preconceived 
    notion that "heaven" is some invisible undetectable essence, and not 
    necessarily "positive energy"...but if within Man is a positron seed of 
    spiritual energy, such that we consider "heaven to be within us", with 
    further study on that you'll soon be able to agree with the 
    correspondence of "heaven" with "positive force/energy".   
    
    But that's neither here nor there, for already we have moved past the 
    question of "God" and are already into the reality of manifest life!
    
    Ok, from here, the Metu Neter, says that at the creation of this 
    "heaven and earth" as it came forth, from it emanated a "sound" which 
    was "NG or "NK" (ie G and K are interchangeable grammatically, consider 
    Gnaw and Know, note the G and K do the same thing to the word.)
    
    Now, taken from Metu Neter is says, regarding the First Manifestation:
    
    "The very first differentiation of energy/matter which in the 
    Subjective* Realm subsists as a homogeneous and undifferentiated 
    vibration-"ng(k)"-is carried out by NETER's projection of the sound AU 
    into it...thus AUNG"  
    
    Note that there is no difference between the phrase "And God said" and 
    "Neter's projection of the sound".  We can argue that "well the Bible 
    says that God said [exactly] "LET THERE BE LIGHT" but that would be in 
    the English language, wouldn't it!  So who can argue that God FOR SURE 
    didn't say "AU"?  NOONE CAN!  And if they try, I advise you to stand 
    back from that person, you've come upon one of those Christians who 
    take the Bible too literally!
    
    Metu Neter says that the First Manifestation from the undifferentiated 
    Energy/Matter was the "Consciousness", or that the Supreme Being become 
    Conscious of the fact that it was Conscious...can you relate to this?
    This is AUSAR or the SELF.  Chanting AUNG AUSAR therefore evokes from 
    within you YOUR SELF as it was originally created by God, that original 
    Spirit Seed, same eternal seed that was there "in the beginning".
    
    Ok, and I won't go to much further, I'll briefly cover the first three 
    manifestations, which will at least you a good idea of what's 
    happening.
    
    The Second Manifestation from the UE/M was the "WILL", as God/Neter 
    became "Conscious of being Conscious" in the realization of presence 
    and power, began to WILL or conceive of things.  METU NETER emphasizes 
    the idea that WILL has no POWER, but is merely the seeds of potential 
    reality, "I WILL do so and so" merely expresses a desire not a 
    reality...it explains this very clearly, for those who wish to debate 
    this.  Anyway this Second Manifestation came forth at Neter's 
    projection of the sound HU into NG and thus HUNG.  Chanting AUNG AUSAR 
    HUNG, therefore, has to do with cultivating our WILL or desires and 
    aligns our WILL with that of the Universal whole. 
    
    The Third Manifestation from the UE/M was the "POWER" to make manifest 
    that which is WILLED, it represents the 50 SOUNDS of POWER, the 50 OARS 
    on AUSAR's Boat, the 50 Sculls on the necklace [of some Greek goddess, 
    I forget], etc. I also believe in Islam they teach something about "50 
    levels of Light" and that Jesus had attained 49, or something like 
    this.  Anyway, it was by the projection of these 50 sounds, singly and 
    in various combinations that all things are made manifest.  Our 
    alphabet consists of 22 of those sounds.  The Third Manifestation came 
    forth at Neter's projection of the sound KRI into NG and thus KRING.  
    Chanting AUNG KRING (which I was doing the night I received the 
    message), cultivates the SELF POWER to manifest that which is WILLED.  
    
    I have given brief explanations, but the intent was to show you that 
    Chanting the Metu Neter way does not contradict Christian doctrine, 
    theoretically or philosophically or in practice.  We know that there 
    were "mysteries" that Jesus revealed to his Disciples which are not in 
    the Bible.  
        
    Any comments?
    
    Playtoe
    
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