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Conference lgp30::christian-perspective

Title:Discussions from a Christian Perspective
Notice:Prostitutes and tax collectors welcome!
Moderator:CSC32::J_CHRISTIE
Created:Mon Sep 17 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1362
Total number of notes:61362

126.0. "The reason for the season." by ELMAGO::CGRIEGO (Trust Jesus ) Thu Dec 13 1990 17:45

    The following note will be dedicated to the reason for the season.
    
    Carlos
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126.1Deer Season ?PCCAD1::RICHARDJBluegrass,Music Aged to PerfectionThu Dec 13 1990 17:588
    Do you mean hunting season ? It's over, except for blackpowder which
    opens Monday -:).

    The reason ? Put food on the table, thin out the herd, and it's
    fun.


    Jim
126.2ELMAGO::CGRIEGOTrust Jesus Thu Dec 13 1990 18:14186
    
    	Several years ago it seemed as though we were overrun with films
    focusing on encounters with extra-terrestrial lifeforms. Films such
    as Star Wars, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Cocoon, Star Trek-the
    Movie, E.T., and Starman all tried to depict what it would be like
    to interact with beings from another world. The basic theme of this
    type of movie seemed to be this: beings of superior intellect and
    capabilities visit the earth, look with sadness on the sorrowful
    state of human affairs and offer help, or at least advice, on how
    to put things back together and start living in harmony with one
    another. Despite all the attention (and dollars) these movies attract,
    the story they have to tell is a mere fairy tale compared to the
    close encounter that God sent to earth nearly two thousand years
    ago.
    	It is truly remarkable to think about. Heaven is as
    extra-terrestrial as you can get. And the Being that came from Heaven
    and took on the form of a man was not just another life-form from
    another planet but the Creator of the planets Himself! (John 1)
    What culture shock Jesus must have experienced, to have left the
    atmosphere of Heaven--filled with the presence and love of God the
    Father and the Holy Spirit--and enter the atmosphere of this
    world--filled with the sounds of angry citizens crowded into their
    home-towns to be taxed; breathing the air permeated with the smell
    of livestock in the manger. What a way for the King of the Universe
    to enter the world--but this was the way He chose. 
    	The passage of Scripture which describes His entrance is a familiar
    one, but one which conveys amazing truth. This story forms the hub
    of civilization; it restarted our calendar nineteen hundred and
    ninety years ago. In Luke chapter 2 it says this: "in those days
    Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of
    the entire Roman world. (This was the first census that took place
    while Quirinius was governing Syria.) And everyone went to his own
    town to register. So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth
    in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he
    belonged to the house and the line of David. He went there to register
    with Mary who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting
    a child. While they were there the time had come for the baby to
    be born, and she gave birth to her first born, a son. She wrapped
    him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room
    for them in the inn."
    	When this event took place, the significant details of this
    night were swallowed up by the insignificant. What seemed to be
    of utmost importance was trivial compared to the reality of what
    God was introducing in His dealings with mankind.As the people gathered
    around tables in their homes, in the inns or around campfires out
    in the fields grumbling about the inconvenience and expense of
    traveling great distances just to be counted and taxed by this Roman
    emperor and his official, Quirinius, the greatest event of history
    to date was happening in a cattle stall nearby. History would be
    forever changed by this seemingly insignificant newborn baby lying
    in a manger. 1 Corinthians says it well, "God chose the foolish
    things of this world to shame the wise, God chose the weak things
    of the world to shame the strong, He chose the lowly things of this
    world and the despised things and the things that are not, to nullify
    the things that are, that no one may boast before him." This truly
    describes the events surrounding Jesus' birth. We look back today
    and see the birth of the Saviour of the world. But on the night
    it took place the people of Israel had their eyes focused on Rome,
    upon the emperor, and upon the census.
    	Caesar Augustus, the supreme ruler of the known world, and
    Quirinius, his local official, were the stars of the story. Caesar
    had given himself the name "Augustus" which means "divine one" or
    "one whose origin is of the gods" and he expected the people to
    treat him as such. As his local representative, Quirinius' name
    was on the lips of all the people. The census and the tax they imposed
    were the 'big events' that filled their conversation. They were
    upset with the idea that they no longer had control over their own
    government. They were angry over having to pay unfair taxes. This
    was the important news of the day. If Bethlehem would have had a
    news-paper in that day these events would have captured the headlines.
    And what would have received one line way over on page 18 D under
    "Births/Deaths"? "Son of carpenter born in manger." With everything
    else going on, who really cared about another baby being born in
    a cattle stall? And yet this event would ultimately effect their
    lives and would completely eclipse everything that they now believed
    was so critically important.
    	Today the year 1990 marks one thousand nine hundred and ninety
    years from what event? From the year the census was taken? From
    the year Quirinius carried out the proclamation to enforce a tax?
    No, these events are insignificant today. 1990 marks the day a little
    peasant baby was born in Bethlehem. 
    	It's easy for us to look back and smugly say to ourselves, "How
    foolish; to be so busy with the things of this world that one would
    miss an event as wonderful as the birth of the Messiah. Anyone who
    could read Scripture should have seen that Jesus' birth was foretold,
    down to the time and place, but they were so concerned with money
    and with the busyness impossed on them by the system of the day
    that they didn't take time to notice."
    	And yet this is exactly what happens to us to one degree or
    another every year around this same time. The significant get's
    swallowed up by the insignificant. Every year we hear reminders,
    "Don't forget the true meaning of Christmas...don't forget Jesus."
    And we nod our heads, "Oh yeah, OK", as we plunge on into the night,
    through the malls, the crafts fairs, the department stores----all
    the while (just as in Jesus' day) complaining about the amount of
    money we feel forced to pay and the busyness imposed upon us by
    the system.
    	I want to make an appeal for a change, for a refocusing of our
    attention onto the significance of this time of year. I'm not saying,
    "Destroy your Christmas tree, throw away your colored lights, burn
    your Perry Como Christmas albums and just say 'bah, humbug' to the
    whole thing." I'm saying focus your attention this year on the things
    that are significant, beggining with your relationship with God.
    	Jesus Christ, the son of God, truly did come to earth nearly
    2000 years ago to save people from their sins and the first step
    in refocusing your attention on this event is realizing that this
    news is for you. Notice verses 8-10 of the story in Luke 2:  
    "...And there were shepherds out in the field nearby keeping watch
    over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them...
    and said, 'Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy
    that will be for all the people." The news of Jesus' birth is not
    just for some to believe in but for *all people*. Sadly, many take
    the position that only if your life is at a dead end is a belief
    in Christ a viable option. They believe that only a burned out drug
    addict or a convict in prison or someone at the end of their rope
    financially needs a savior. They miss out on the most joyful life
    possible on earth (as well as eternal life with God) because they
    think that only people who need a crutch believe in Jesus Christ.
    But the angels announced that this news of great joy was for all
    people. 
    	At the other end of the extreme are those who feel that they
    are too lowly to have a relationship with God. They feel that He
    is interested only in those people they see driving off to church
    in their 'Sunday best'; the ones who seem to have their "acts
    together"; the ones who never seem to have a problem or a care.
    They feel as though they're different from others because of their
    background, their upbringing, their position in life and so they
    give up, saying, "Why bother? God's not interested in me either."
    But God laid this belief squarely to rest when He chose those who
    would be the first to hear the "good news". It's interesting to
    notice who He selected. He could have sent His angels to those at
    the top, to Caesar Augustus and his men, or to the religious leaders,
    the pharisees and the scribes, or the financial leaders, the tax
    gatherers and the other authorities, but He chose those that were
    considered to be at the bottom of the social ladder of the day---
    shepherds. 
    	Our manger scenes depict clean, upright, noble shepherds who
    we figure were probably pretty well liked by their fellow citizens.
    This is not the case. Shepherds were considered the "uneducated
    class" and most were considered to be thieves and robbers--smelly
    men who did boring, mindless work. They were looked down upon by
    the rest of society...the perfect candidates to reveal the most
    important news of all time to, right? Right! That is, if you're
    trying to make sure that everyone understands that this is for all
    people, from the least on up. God honored them first with the good
    news so that we could all understand that God has not reserved
    salvation for a certain type or class of individual but for all
    people. 
    	Next, in refocusing our lives, we need to understand that this
    is news of *great joy.* Verse 10: "but the angel said to them..'I
    bring you good news of great joy...today in the town of David a
    savior has been born to you, he is the Messiah, Christ the Lord.'
    Suddenly a great company of heavenly hosts appeared with the angel,
    praising God saying, "Glory to God in the Highest, and on earth,
    peace to men on whom his favor rests." Why is it some people view
    Jesus as someone who wants to take away their fun, to bring an end
    to enjoyment of life as they know it? They miss the fact that Jesus
    came to bring ultimate fulfillment to mankind; to reunite us with
    the God who loves and cares for us. He came to bring the joy to
    us that we can never experience while separated from God. To be
    accepted by God, because of the incredible price that Jesus paid
    for us, is good news indeed, and to those who know Him it brings
    great joy. 
    	The last step in refocusing our lives on Christ is simply to
    acknowledge Him. For some that means that initial step of receiving
    Him as Savior. You've heard about Him for a long time but have never
    really received Him for foregivness of your sin and allowed Him
    to make you a new creation. Start there. God sent His Son Jesus
    to bring you the ultimate Christmas gift ever--eternal life. God
    gave to the world His best, His all. To say to God that you're
    good enough without Him states. in effect, that Jesus' coming in
    the form of a man and dying for your sins was unneccessary. Don't
    just hear the good news of foregiveness and acceptance by God and
    do nothing about it. Follow the example of the shepherds who, after
    they heard the message of the Messiah didn't sit back down and say,
    "My, what an interesting message". They got up and went and *found
    Jesus*. Go to Him. He's ready to receive you. 
    	And to those who already know Him my advice is the same. During
    this Christmas season, don't allow the distractions around you to
    keep you from experiencing what's truly significant. Go and find
    Jesus. He's here. The understanding of who He is and what He's done
    for each of us is truly good news of great joy.
                                                                  
    							By Skip Heitzig
    
    Carlos
126.3Phenomenal!CSC32::J_CHRISTIESay your peaceThu Dec 13 1990 19:075
    Interesting that God chose to shake up the world not with a bomb,
    but with a baby!
    
    Peace,
    Richard
126.4J.O.Y.POLAR::WOOLDRIDGEMon Dec 17 1990 08:5412
    >>Interesting that God chose to shake up the world not with a bomb,<<
    >>but with a baby!                                                 <<
    
    Jesus is the reason for the season.
    Jesus is the TRUTH and the only path.
    
    Praise the name of our King, Savior and Friend.
    
    May you all have a Christ filled Christmas.
    
    Peace,                           
    Bill
126.5The stuff of revolutionCSC32::J_CHRISTIESay your peaceTue Dec 18 1990 22:049
Luke reminds us that Jesus, who represented from the very beginning a
significant threat to the status quo, was born into very humble conditions.
A 3 tiered tax consummed an estimated 40% of the income of the poor.
A revolution was brewing.  Only, the revolution was not to be a military
overthrow of power, as had been anticipated.  Instead, it was a revolution
of the heart and of the Spirit.

Peace,
Richard
126.6CARTUN::BERGGRENCaretaker of WonderWed Dec 19 1990 12:205
    I've got a brief question:  I understood that Jesus was actually born
    into a middle-class family, not poor as some texts portray, but that 
    he adopted a more humble lifestyle by choice...?
    
    Karen
126.7Re .6CSC32::J_CHRISTIESay your peaceWed Dec 19 1990 14:3819
Ok, Karen,

	Now you've got me smiling, which is typical of what you do. ;-)

	I truly don't know the parameters defining ancient socio-economic
classes.  I, personally, find even the modern ones woefully inadequate.

	This much is known from the accounts in Matthew and Luke:
Jesus, the Messiah, was not born in the midst of opulence and comfort.
Herod, according to Matthew, recognized the threat immediately.  In Luke,
the birth of the Savior was announced not to royalty, not to the rich and
influential, but to common shepherds.

	In this time of great and hopeful anticipation, may you and others
be touched by the strange and wonderful story of the everlasting Light
(John 1:9).

					High intensity love,
					Richard
126.8not the same at allDELNI::MEYERDave MeyerWed Dec 19 1990 19:0013
    re.6, .7
    
    Curious question, Karen,
    
    	Jesus was indeed born into a "middle class" family, but that term
    had a different meaning at the time. Middle Class in that time meant
    someone who had a skill marketable enough to justify setting up their
    own shop. These people had assets and expectation of honest income.
    They were often wealthy only in comparison to those who did day-labor
    or who hired out as servants. I'm sure Joseph had a "good suit" to wear
    on holidays and such, and Mary as well; a man with two pairs of sandals
    may seem rich to a man with none. Few today would envy them their
    "wealth".
126.9CARTUN::BERGGRENCaretaker of WonderThu Dec 20 1990 21:315
    Thanks Dave and Richard for the clarification.
    Interesting to note the distinction of middle class in "those days"
    Dave.
    
    - Kb
126.10Out of the mouths of babesCSC32::J_CHRISTIESay your peaceFri Dec 21 1990 20:2713
My son, when was just a little guy, used to love to sing Christmas carols.
He didn't always get the words straight, but now and then he'd stumble
upon a combination of lyrics that created quite a statement.

I remember him coming up with a new words for the end of "O Come All
Ye Faithful":

	"O come let us *afford* him, O come let us *afford* him,..."

	It seemed to fit the commercial aspect of Christmas.

Peace,
Richard
126.11Jesua and his son - Part ICSC32::J_CHRISTIESay your peaceThu Dec 27 1990 23:0639
	His name was Jesua, probably some modified form of Jesus or
Jose (Joseph) which the white man had given him.  His own Caiua people
called him Tapiti because of a slight jump in his walk that brought to
mind the gait of a rabbit.

	He is one of the last of the Caiua Indians of the area, a once
proud people of southwestern Brazil.  He grew up in an orphanage supported
by a Protestant mission.  When he came of age, he was sent to a boarding
school.

	Jesua was put on exhibition like a rare specimen in a museum. At
first he received gifts and affection, but then things changed.

	He did not adapt to school, and was sent back to his Indian
environment with the usual explanations: Indians "can't learn..." "They
are naturally lazy..." "The more you give them the more they want."

	His white protectors felt that Jesua had learned little or nothing
during his stay at school.  How wrong they were!  The potential, proud
warrior of yesteryear realized that he must become a subservient beggar
in order to get benefits from a society so radically different from his
own.

	Years later on Christmas Eve the old Jesua and his 12-year-old son
went into town to sell their wares to tourists passing through the bus
station.

	They sold sticks wrapped in colorful plastic with duck-tails
stuck in the end - a far cry from the skillfully constructed bows and
arrows that had served their ancestors so well.

	In another era the son would have been learning the lore of the
forest from his father, but today he was learning to fool tourists into
thinking these cheap wares were real Indian art.

	Seeing all the windows decorated with lights and Christmas
merchandise, the curious lad fired a barrage of questions at his father:
	"Is the city expecting the visit of a Moricha-Guassu?"

126.12Jesua and his son - Part IICSC32::J_CHRISTIESay your peaceThu Dec 27 1990 23:1067
	No, it is only Christmas.

	"Oh, you mean the birthday of Jesus, the son of a great Moricha.
He was probably born in a big palace, and he must have died the death of an
exceptionally brave warrior."

	No, he was born in a stable, his crib a simple manger, and he
died on a scaffold between two criminals.

	"Why such a big to-do about someone who was born in such a lowly
manner and who died in such a shameful way?"

	His secret was his life, his teachings, and his spirit that led
men and women to the Great God.  He loved everyone, even the despised,
poor, outcasts, and even the prostitutes and vilest of all sinners.

	"What a pity he is not around today!  We need someone like that
in our world."

	But that is not the end of the story.  He was killed but he didn't
stay in the grave.  He has many loyal warriors who continue to remember him
and do his work.  That is why they make so much over Christmas, his
birthday.

	"Do you mean that all 'civilized' people we meet are warriors for
this Jesus?"

	The old man could only shake his head.

	By that time the bus was coming in.  The two Indians concentrated
on selling their wares.  A passenger about the age of Jesua's son
suddenly pointed at the Indian boy and yelled for all to hear:

	"Look, mommy.  He's an Indian but he is dressed like I am!"

	That hurt!  His father had tried to tell him how to dress so the
white man would not make fun of him and call him a savage.  Now they
think it's ridiculous to see an Indian who tries to copy their dress.

	The old Jesua stared in silent amazement at the scene he couldn't
explain to his son.

	A thousand thoughts were running through the head of the 12-year-old
Indian boy.

	Are all these people really warriors of the great son of Nhandjara?
Why do they pay so much attention to his birthday and yet miss his message
of love?

	By this time traffic had slakened at the bus station.  The plastic-
covered sticks were still unsold.

	It was Christmas Eve, a time of great excitement and celebration.
But for the Indian boy it was a time for perplexing questions about the
real nature of the One whose birth was being celebrated.

	It was a time for pondering how the followers of Jesus could have
drifted so far away from his original message of love, peace, and
compassion.

	For old Jesua, it was just another lousy day for the fake bow-and-
arrow business.

==========================================================================
The foregoing was written by Scilla Franco, bishop of The Methodist Church
in Brazil from 1987 until his death in 1989.  It is based on an actual
occurance.
126.13GWYNED::YUKONSECMacho Hug SlutFri Dec 28 1990 12:231
    Thank you, Richard
126.14Who the astrologers foundCSC32::J_CHRISTIEWatch your peace &amp; cues!Tue Jan 08 1991 19:5210
Filling the world, he lies in a manger.
Ruler of stars, he nurses at his mother's breast.
He is both great in the nature of God
and small in the form of a servant, but
in such a way that his greatness is not diminished
by his smallness,
nor his smallness overwhelmed
by his greatness.

			- St. Augustine
126.15CSC32::J_CHRISTIEBring me some figgy pudding!Wed Dec 11 1991 00:1227
			I searched through the town,
		       looking at all the 'trappings'
		       of the season, the santas, and
		       the reindeer, the stockings and
		         the elves, hoping to find
			   the real meaning of

			         Christmas.

			   Then, there it was, the
        	                 Candy Cane.

			  Its shape was that of the
			 Shepherd's staff, reminding
		       me that the Lord is my Shepherd
			    tenderly and lovingly
			       caring for me.

			 The white stripe reminded me
			 of the purity of my Lord, the
			 red stripe reminded me of the
			  blood he shed for me.  The
			 sweet taste reminded me of the
			 sweetest gift ever given, that
			    of eternal life through
			     Jesus Christ my Lord!