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    From the  September/October  1989 edition of AAA World Magazine on page
    2c under the heading of AAA Member Benifits
    
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    Don't just visit  Disney  World this fall.  Fill your vacation with AAA
    "Magic Moments".
    
    As a AAA member,  you'll  enjoy  exclusive  savings while escaping with
    Snow White into the Magic  Kingdom,  peeking  into  the future at EPCOT
    Center, and seeing your favorite movie  stars  at  the  new  Disney-MGM
    Studios.
    
    You can recieve a 15 percent discount  off the standard rates at one of
    the Disney's family resorts listed below.  you  save  on  regular  room
    rates  (subject  to availability) from September 1 through Febuary  15,
    1990.  The holiday periods November 23 to 25 and  December 19 to 31 are
    excluded from this offer.
    
    Your choice of resorts includes:
    
        Disney's Contemporary Resort
        Disney's Polynesian Resort
        The Disney Inn
        Disney Village Resort
        Disney Fort Wilderness Resort and Campground.
    
    AAA  Magic  Moments  also  entitles you to a new four-day Disney  World
    passport  for  $87  (plus  tax)-a savings of $10.  This unique passport
    gives you  the  opportunity  to  enjoy  all  your favorite Disney World
    attractions.
    
    To find out more about the AAA/Walt Disney World Magic Moments package,
    contact the AAA office nearest you.
    

    
    Will in Orlando visit the Tourist office and pick up
    
    'Enjoy Florida' Magazine
    'Orientation'
    'International Drive' Bulletin
    
    These are free and include lots of coupons for money off or free
    gifts
    
    Examples:
    
    large Pizza for price of small @ Carmente's
    Free Gemstone or 14kt Gold charm just for visiting @ Gold & Diamond source
    Free seashell keyring just for visiting @ Shell world
    $3 reduction on admissio to Cypress Gardens
    $2 per person of King Henry's feast
    
    
    and many more....
    
    
    Le Gerbil
    
    

    I am not sure that this is the best place to put this. I could not find
    a note that dealt with annual passes only.
    
    I have just received a mailing from WD (my wife just called to say were
    going again for the 3rd time this year after this came). If you have an
    annual passport you can stay at the Poly,Contempory,Disney Inn, Villas 
    and FW trailers between now and Febuary 11,1990 (with the exception of 
    Xmas week) for $99.00 a night. In most cases this is better than the 
    MKC 20% but not necessarily better than the 40% stockholders. If anyone 
    needs more info let me know and I'll post it.
    
    P.S. Mr Moderators. If you think there is a better place for this
    please feel free to move it.

    The same or similar deal was offered to MKC members.  I think I saw it
    advertised in the Disney News.  If you're interested, check with the
    MKC Travel Center (407) 824-2600.

This $99 special is a good deal.

I just cancelled my 40% shareholders special and got in on this progam.
This one is not saving me a whole lot of money ($3.00/night) since my old 
reservation was for a garden room at the Polynesian at $102.  However, under 
this plan I was able to get a Lagoon room with Royal Polynesian (Concierge) 
Service which should be much nicer.  This room is normally $235.00 during 
the regular season.

I will be going for 8 nights starting Nov 29th.

/Jim Pappas

    For what it is worth.
    
    When I arrived at the Polynesian, the porter took our luggage, we walked
    over to the TTC to buy our annual passes, and then we walked back to
    the Poly to check in.  When I made my reservations, the clerk told me I
    would need my passes when I checked in to get the special.
    
    Well, I checked in to the Poly and they never asked to see my pass. 
    After checking in I reminded them that I needed to show my annual
    passports but they did not care to see them.
    
    Maybe anothe desk clerk would make you show the pass to get a discount,
    but I definately did not need to do so.
    
    /Jim Pappas

    Is there info in here about prices of Annual Passes?  Can you buy
    them at the Disney Stores?
    

    RE: -1
    
    I created a new note (150.0) to discuss annual passports.  However, I
    do not know if you can purchase them at the Disney stores.
    
    /Jim Pappas

Last year (89), The annual passport holders special was $99 for any room in the 
Poly, Disney Inn, or Contemporary.  I chose the Poly Lagoon/concierge. The 
special was good from late August 89 till early February 90. I understand that 
they had a similar deal the year before.  I do not think they advertise them
very far in advance.

This is just one of the many marketing schemes that Disney tries.  I know of no
consistant way to stay on top of their deals except to read this notes file.

Other recent specials include the 40% discount for stockholders, or the 
$59/person (or something like that) bed and breakfast special they advertised 
recently in Disney News.  This B&B was for the Disney Inn or Club villa's if I
remember right.

/Jim Pappas

    I am an annaul passport holder and I received my letter in the mail in
    August for the 1989 $99.00 special.  We were able to make reservations
    for September 1989 however they had very few rooms available.  They
    said they book fast.  
    
    I guess this means as soon as the notice comes out call.
    
    Good luck,
    Cheryl

    I just received my delta frequent flyer brochure on their discounts for
    WDW and they seem very good. they vary from month to month but range
    from 25% to 35% on rooms plus discounts on meals in the parks and the 
    dinner shows. Note that the MKC these rooms come from a limited pool
    so book early and often.
    
    steve

    When I was down in WDW, I was talking with the people in the annual
    passport office.   They informed me of a new special starting July 1st
    wihich lasted into August sometime.  This special offers a room at the
    Disney Inn, a trailer at Fort Wilderness, or a Club Suite at the
    village for $125.  The special is for annual passport holders.
    
    I found out about this during my stay at the CBR.  I called the CRO and
    was able to get a reservation at any of the three for my last 4 days (I
    was leaving on July 5th and the special didn't start till the 1st).  We
    chose the Fort Wilderness trailers.  At the last minute, we decided
    that we did not want to leave the CBR so we cancelled the FW
    reservation.  We really wanted to try one of the other areas, but we
    didn't feel like packing up and moving.
    
    
    /Jim Pappas

    There is also a special running for $99.00 for several of the hotels. 
    Call the CRO to find out the details.
    
    There are only certain times during certain months.
    
    Good Luck, I just reserved September 11th-19th at the Polynesion for
    $99.00/night.
    
    Disney bound.
    Cheryl

    The $99.00 rate is for the Annual Passport Holders.  Ask for extension
    72, but usually you will be able to talk to whoever answers the phone.
    
    The rate is only good for certain days within certain months.  I don't
    remember exactly when they are.  I do know that both my trips are in
    the selected timeframe September 11th-19th and January 12th-17th.
    
    Just ask for the $99.00 special for Annual Passport Holders.
    
    Good Luch, Hope this helps.
    Cheryl
    
    P.S. If you are able to get one of the nights that you want, you must
    continue to call back and request additional nights.  They do not put
    you on a waitlist for the special.
    
    I'm still trying to get one more night at the special rate.

RE: Note 135.13 by EXIT26::SNODGRASS  - Delta FF Discounts

>    I just received my delta frequent flyer brochure on their discounts for
>    WDW and they seem very good. they vary from month to month but range
>    from 25% to 35% on rooms plus discounts on meals in the parks and the 
>    dinner shows. Note that the MKC these rooms come from a limited pool
>    so book early and often.
    
        I just received my Delta frequent flyer brochure today.  There
        are some good discounts in there.  If you are planning a trip
        to WDW, it probably makes sense to get a Delta Frequent Flyer
        Card.  It seems to be better than the MKC card during several
        periods (except for passports). 

        If you do not belong to Delta FF now, I would call Delta and
        request an application.  There is no charge.  I would do this
        even if I was not planning to fly Delta, as they are offering
        discounts that I have not seen before (rooms, meals, dinner
        shows, water sprites, recreation, seminars).  I would call for
        reservations even if I did not have a card yet, but the CRO
        might want the FF number. Call (407)W-Disney ext 72 for room
        reservations.

        You need to show your Delta Frequent Flyer card at check-in
        for rooms, or at the other locations for the discount.  It
        seems that you could get the restaurant, dinner show, and
        other discounts even if you do not use the room specials, but
        I am not positive.

        Offers do not include concierge service, suite accommodations,
        or preferred campsites.

        Participating restaurants include: Garden Gallery, Pompano
        Grille, Flagers, Old Port Royale, Steerman's Quarters,
        Fisherman's deck, Empress Room, Portobello's, Fireworks
        Factory.

        Poly review (Luau) discount is good for 9:30 show only,
        Hoop-de-do discount is for the 10:00 show only.

        Following is a list of the specials for each period:

        July 8, 1990 - Aug 18, 1990:
           - Accommodations:
        	Contemporary		10%
        	Polynesian		10%
        	Disney Inn		10%
        	Grand Floridian		10%
        	Disney Village		10%
        	FW Trailers		10%
           - Dining:
        	Restaurants		10%
        	Character Breakfasts	10%
        	Top o' World Din show	10%
        	Mickey's Trop Review	10%
        	Polynesian Review	10%
           - Recreation:
        	River Country		free lunch
        	Pleasure Island		20%
        	Discovery Island	25%
           - Seminars:
        	Wonders of WDW		25%

        Aug 19, 1990  - Oct 4, 1990:
           - Accommodations:
        	Contemporary		30%
        	Polynesian		30%
        	Disney Inn		30%
        	Disney Village		30%
        	FW Trailers		30%
        	FW Campsites		25%
           - Dining:
        	Restaurants		15%
        	Character Breakfasts	15%
        	Top o' World Din show	20%
        	Mickey's Trop Review	20%
        	Polynesian Review	20%
        	Hoop De Do Review	10%
           - Recreation:
        	Typhoon Lagoon		free lunch
        	Pleasure Island		20%
        	Discovery Island	25%
        	Water Sprites		25%
           - Seminars:
        	Wonders of WDW		25%

        Oct 5, 1990 - Nov 16, 1990:
           - Accommodations:
        	Contemporary		20%
        	Polynesian		20%
        	Disney Inn		20%
        	Yacht and Beach Clubs	20%
        	Disney Village		20%
        	FW Trailers		20%
        	FW Campsites		25%
           - Dining:
        	Restaurants		15%
        	Character Breakfasts	15%
        	Mickey's Trop Review	20%
        	Top o' World Din show	20%
        	Polynesian Review	20%
        	Hood De Do Review	10%
           - Recreation:
        	Typhoon Lagoon 		free lunch
        	Pleasure Island		20%
        	Discovery Island	25%
        	Water sprites		25%
           - Seminars:
        	Wonders of WDW		25%

        Nov 25, 1990 - Dec 18, 1990:
           - Accommodations:
        	Contemporary		35%
        	Polynesian		35%
        	Disney Inn		35%
        	Grand Floridian		35%
        	Yacht and Beach Clubs	35%
        	Disney Village		35%
        	FW Trailers		35%
        	FW Campsites		25%
        	Caribbean Beach 	10%
           - Dining:
        	Restaurants		20%
        	Character Breakfasts	15%
        	Top o' World Din show	25%
        	Mickey's Trop Review	25%
        	Polynesian Review	25%
        	Hoop De Do Review	15%
           - Recreation:
        	Typhoon Lagoon 		free lunch
        	Pleasure Island		25%
        	Discovery Island	25%
        	Water sprites		30%
           - Merchandise
        	Resort locations	10%
        	Village marketplace	10%
           - Seminars:
        	Wonders of WDW		25%

        Jan 5, 1991 - Feb 9, 1991
           - Accommodations:
        	Contemporary		30%
        	Polynesian		30%
        	Disney Inn		30%
        	Yacht and Beach Clubs	30%
        	Disney Village		30%
        	FW Trailers		30%
        	FW Campsites		25%
           - Dining:
        	Restaurants		20%
        	Character Breakfasts	15%
        	Top o' World Din show	20%
        	Mickey's Trop Review	20%
        	Polynesian Review	20%
        	Hoop de do Review	10%
           - Recreation:
        	River Country		free lunch
        	Pleasure Island		25%
        	Discovery Island	25%
        	Water sprite		30%
           - Seminars:
        	Wonders of WDW		25%
    

    
RE:  .18

>>        Card.  It seems to be better than the MKC card during several
>>        periods (except for passports). 

Are the discounts for the recreation (Typhoon Lagoon, Discovery Island,
etc.) better under the MKC discount or the Delta discount?  What about the
Dining discount??

Thanks

    With regards to the Delta Frequent Flyer's Program, are there any
    restrictions which apply to new card holders.  I have recently become a
    Delta Frequent Flyer so I missed the WDW discount information which was
    sent out.  Is there a minimum of FF miles required before any of the
    mentioned discounts apply or is just possessing a Delta FF card enough
    ?  We already have room reservations through MKC so I'm sure the Delta
    discounts wouldn't apply there but the dining discounts would be great
    !
    
    Let me know if anyone out there has any info on this.
    
    Thanks !
    
    Diane
     

    You do not need accumulated miles to use your card for the Disney
    discount.  The restrictions mentioned include the % discount applied is
    different depending on the dates travelled.  It would be to your
    benefit to contact Delta and ask them to send you this brochure if you
    haven't already rec'd it.
    
    The only thing Disney requires, from my understanding, is that you
    present your Delta F.F. card at the time of use.
    
    As far as your room reservations, you may want to call the CRO and see
    if they have any rooms available under the Delta F.F. Program and if so
    you may find they are cheaper (depending on time of travel).
    
    Good luck,
    Cheryl (15-days-to-go)

    I am flying with Delta to WDW early in February, called last night to get
    signed up as a Frequest Flyer.  The reservation person I spoke with did
    not have any information regarding a WDW brochure, he suggested I call
    Dream Vacations, Dream Vacations only had packages to offer.  Anyone
    have a phone number that I could try to obtain this brochure? or have a
    brochure I could look at/borrow?
    
    Appreciate any info re Delta discounts,
    Pattie

    See 135.18 for Delta FF details.

From: CHRIS@MIAMIU.BITNET (Chris Allison)
Subject: Discounts at WDW hotels
Date: 7 Mar 91 13:22:19 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service
 
 
    Last time I was at WDW using my stock holders discount to stay in a
$250 a night room for $140 I found out that some other people were staying in
the same type rooms for $99.  It turned out that Disney has unadvertised
specials during low attendance periods.  We were able to extend our stay at    t
that rate but could not change the rate for the nights already spent or
reserved.  I believe we could have gotten the lower rate if we had changed
our reservation before checking in.  The moral is reserve early and keep
checking for better deals.  The stock holders special rates are not always
the best deal.  As an example....
    I have just found out that Disney is offering rooms in the Yacht and Beach
club, the Poly, the contempory, Disney village and the Disney Inn for $125
during the month of April to MKC Gold card and Annual Passport holders.
The rates will be $99 for Annual Passport holders only during May. Other
discounts will be offered throughout the rest of the summer.  The stock holders
discount is only 10%-20% (someone correct me on this) during this time.
    

    Here's a hypothetical question.
    
    You make reservations a year ahead of time. You receive a quote as to
    what your rate will be.
    
    You arrive in Orlando.
    
    You secure an Annual Passport.
    
    Can you now change your rate?
    
    Mike

        Mike,

        The annual passport rates (or other specials) are only for a
        limited number of rooms.  Your best bet is to make your
        reservations for the special rates ahead of time, that way you
        are guaranteed to get that rate.

        You do not need to be an annual passport holder to reserve the
        rooms, but in theory you need to buy your passports prior to
        checking into the hotel.  In 1989, we did exactly that.  When
        we got to the Poly, we checked our luggage with the porter and
        then walked next door to the TTC to buy our annual passports. 
        Then we walked back and checked into our $235/night lagoon
        view concierge room at the $99 rate.

        We had originally made regular MKC reservations, then we
        switched them to the stockholder's discount when that was
        announced.  Later we changed them to the annual passport
        special since that was the best deal.  Each time we switched
        our deposit was transferred to the new reservation as was our
        reservations for dinner shows and character breakfasts.
    

    Jim,
    
    So someone could make reservations. Go down to Orlando. Buy the annual
    passports. Then check into the hotel/resort and show the passport and
    possibly get a better rate?
    
    I think that this theory holds for most of the Disney hotels except for
    the CBR and most likely PO/DL. These two resorts are priced resonably
    enough so that the Disney people usually don't have special (other than 
    MKC) rates for them.
    
    Mike

    re: Note 135.27 by COEM::SCOPA

>    So someone could make reservations. Go down to Orlando. Buy the annual
>    passports. Then check into the hotel/resort and show the passport and
>    possibly get a better rate?

        Mike,

        Providing what you are talking about is a regular or MKC
        reservation, then what you say is not very likely, although it
        might be possible.  Usually when you check in, the clerk will
        only give you the same rate as on your reservation. They may
        have reduced rates on a space available basis for people
        extending their stay or for walk-ins.  The annual passport or
        stockholder specials must usually be made through the special
        programs office in advance and the available rooms usually
        fill up prior to the day of arrival.

        A better way to say this is that someone could make a
        reservation under the annual passport (or stockholder's) plan
        even though they do not have an annual passport (or stock). 
        Then, providing they buy an annual passport (or stock) prior
        to checking into the hotel, then they should be OK.  

More info on my Annual Passport discount for next January:

My reservation form quotes a price of $190/night, which is higher than
this year's regular rate for the Contemporary at that time of year.  It
does note that this is a Passholder Special, and that the special
includes just the room price, but never mentions the special price
(quoted over the phone as $99/night).

The unfortunate part is that I've received two different explanations.  The
first explanation, from a supervisor, was that the original agent neglected
to add yet another computer code to my entry.  The second explanation was that
the real rates for next January haven't been set yet, so they don't want
to quote a price in writing.  Either way, I'm disappointed at their confusion
over this.

I sent in a cover letter with my deposit (the full one night's deposit of
$190+tax), but so far all I've received is a confirmation saying that they
got my deposit.  I'm not panicking yet.  I figure I should still be able
to get rooms at the CBR if I call around July, and I know I can get my deposit
back.  Still, I'm surprised that they don't have their act together on
this one. Perhaps I expect too much?

   Gary

    re: .29
    
    Gary,
    
    I made reservations for the Passholder's special at the Beach Club
    resort.  My rate is also $99, but it stated that right on the
    reservation form.  I suggest that you try again to make a brand new
    reservation for the Contemporary, and if it comes through the way you
    want it, have them transfer your deposit from the old reservation to
    the new one.
    
    Just a thought.  I thought the "specials" time period only ran from
    September through Christmas (also unavailable during the Thanksgiving
    weekend).  Maybe they don't have the ability in their system to specify
    the special rate outside of the special time period.
    
    --Jay
    

re: .30

For when are your reservations?  It's not unreasonable to believe that they
have the passholder prices set for this September, but not yet for next
January.  They usually announce hotel rate increases in the fall.

   Gary

    re: .30
    
    >Just a thought.  I thought the "specials" time period only ran from
    >September through Christmas (also unavailable during the Thanksgiving
    >weekend).
    
    I called last weekend to make reservations for a couple of weeks in
    October.  I was told the annual pass holder special starts in
    August (I think the 17th) and runs through September 30th.  The next
    special starts on December 1st.  The woman I spoke with said they will
    not be offering the pass holder special at all in October and November.

    I've just checked with CRO about any Annual Passport specials for 
    July :--
    
    Dorothy: Yes, we have $125 specials on the Contemporary, 
    Polynesian, Yacht and Beach and Disney Villas, and also a $99 
    special on FW Trailers.
    Me: Yeehah! Book me in!!
    Dorothy: Oh, I'm sorry sir, these are actually for August!
    Me: Aaaaagh! 8^(
    
    If anyone is going down in August, ring and check for 
    availability.
    
    I will keep on checking with CRO, but if any of you hear of the 
    special being extended back into July, PLEASE post it quickly.
    
    Thanx,
    
    Mike.

I just received a phone call from the CRO in response to the letter I sent
with my deposit.

Yes, the $99 rate is in effect, but special rates for next year won't be 
programmed into their computer until the end of this year, when I'll receive an 
update.  I feel more comfortable about it now.

Maybe we should sell them a superior Digital transaction processing system?

   Gary

    I just booked a lagoon view at the Yacht Club for December 2-9, 1991
    for $99 per night!! I can't believe it!! Buying an annual pass, even
    if it isn't used any more than a 5 day pass, pays for itself in the
    room savings alone!!
    
    Linda

    At first I just called and made a reservation for any old room on the
    special. Then I was curious, so I called back and asked what kind
    of room I had. The code said a garden view. I figured that was the 
    standard room for the special, so asked if I could upgrade, expecting
    to pay more. She told me she had a lagoon view, so I said OK and asked 
    the price. She told me it was still only $99! This person didn't seem 
    to think there was any problem at all. I can't remember clearly, but
    I think she was the person who answered at the regular number, not the 
    one to whom you are forwarded to discuss the special program. When I 
    had asked for ext. 72 she said she could help me. 
    
    The confirmation hasn't come in the mail yet -- maybe that will be a 
    different story. I did ask for a king size bed, and she put me down
    as a honeymooner. After 21 years it's more like a veteran of the
    wars!
    
    Might be worth another call to see if you can get something definite.
    
    Linda

    
    I think these types of things are typical for Disney.  I may have
    mentioned it in here before, but it seems like bookings, lodgings,
    specials, etc. are available *if* you get a CRO representative who
    knows about it.  
    
    It seems like some people have easy times getting certain reservations,
    some don't.  One rep will say a special exists, another says it
    doesn't, and many of them have different dates and prices.
    
    MAybe I'm exaggerating a tad, but it makes me think that not more than
    a little luck is involved in getting that stockholder/annual passport
    special/etc. at for the dates and times and conditions that *really*
    exist.
    
    They need better dissemination of this sort of info (actually I tell
    everybody that good Disney specials exist, but WDW wants you to *work*
    for them!)  Anyhow, we manage to go back often enough, anyway...
    
    SEAN/BEER=LABATTS

    re: .36, .37
    
    When I called for the special, the person told me it was $99 for a
    lagoon view room.  I certainly didn't argue since they had earlier
    quoted me $225 for a lagoon view room (this was before they knew that I
    knew about the $99 special ;^> ).  My confirmation notice stated lagoon
    view.  My reservations are for the first week of December.
     
    
    re: .38
    
    The reservationists are definitely trying to get you to go for the most
    expensive room available, and only go down when you say no.  And if you
    don't know about a specific special, it doesn't seem that they will
    tell you about it.
    
    --Jay
    

    Last July I arrived a day early in Orlando and I called the CRO. After
    about 15 minutes going over all the available spots I was able to
    secure a Garden Wing "Lake View" room at the Contemporary for $125.
    This was on July 10th which is not during "Value Season".
    
    If you look at Claude's price note you see the same room going for
    $215. It pays to spend time on the phone exploring all possibilities
    before you commit to a room.
    
    Mike_who_liked_the_Contemporary_but_still_prefers_the_CBR

    I rang the CRO last night (19:00 UK time, 14:00 EST) to check for 
    specials in July. I asked for Ext 72, but the girl on the CRO Desk 
    said she could help. She told me that there was an annual passport 
    holders special running from Jun 10th to Aug 15th - $125 for 
    Contemporary, Poly, DI, DY&BC, FW and Disney Village 1 Bed. $150 
    for GF and Disney Village 2 Bed. Yeeeeeha!!
    
    Discussed it with wife and kids, and decided on Contemporary. Rang 
    back to change CBR to Contemporary, and FW to lower rate. Put 
    through to 'Specials' desk to book. "I'm sorry, we have no 
    specials running for that period!" Aaaaagh!!
    
    Spoke to apologetic supervisor, to confirm, and express disgust. 
    Rang off very depressed! Until then I was happy to have a holiday 
    at all, but once the carrot of cheaper/better value had been 
    dangled in front of my nose it took some of the shine off it! 
    
    Still, its only 12 weeks to go 8-} 8-}
    
    Mike in Warrington, UK.

    COrrect me if I'm wrong. There are no Annual Passport Specials for CBR,
    PO, and DL.
    
    Mike

    Although I found that the dates quoted were wrong, the girl on the 
    front desk was reading from an info sheet or flyer. It's quite 
    likely that the prices were correct, and just the periods wrong.
    
    If anyone fancies a stay at the GF for $150/night, it's worth the 
    phone call to check. For me, it's a great place to visit/eat, but 
    the family would be inhibited by staying there.
    
    Mike_who_is_feeling_more_cheerful_but_still_hoping_for_a_special
    
    

    
    My flyer, dated February 1991, says that a limited number of rooms
    are in fact availale to Annual Pasport Holders until 4/30/91 for:
    
      - Grand Floridian $150
      - Disney Village 2 bedroom $150
    
    in addition to the $125 specials for the same time.
    
    - Sean

    re:  <<< Note 135.46 by AGOUTL::FUENTES_M >>>
    
    >>I just saw an announcement on cable TV last night stating that 
    >>there was a special on rooms inside the Disney resort for only
    >>$89/night.   I just got a glimpse of the comercial so I don't
    >>now the details, but that was the price.
    
    If it's the same commercial I saw, it wasn't a special.  It was stating
    that rooms were available "from $84/night", which is the price for the
    lowest-priced rooms at the CBR.  Other rooms are more expensive.
    
    --Jay
    

    Things become more confusing. Just for the heck of it, I called
    CRO yesterday to see if the GF was included in any annual passholder
    special in the fall. The regular operator told me that it was included
    
            8/16 - 9/30 at $150 and 11/30 - 12/22 at $150
    
    Today I called to check availability at the time I already have
    reservations for the YC, and I was told by the special desk that
    these dates are invalid for the GF. The only dates that the special
    desk had for the GF were the ones Mike tried to make reservations
    for, 
    
           6/10 - 8/15 at $150!!!
    
    The clerk, Tisha, had checked with her supervisor in charge of all 
    specials, Cheryl. This is what Cheryl told her.
    
    I get the impression that Disney is trying to fill up the more 
    expensive hotels any way they can, and that there are so many specials
    running that the cast members can't keep track of them all.
    
    Linda

    Linda, I think you're right about cast members not knowing all the 
    specials that are being offered.  Because of your note .35, I told
    my sister about your deal, she is now staying at the YBC April 19/
    20/21 '91 for $125 (+tax) a night!  And, she DOES NOT have to buy
    the Annual Pass to get this deal.  She is thrilled -- so thanks.  She
    did receive a call from WDW reservations saying she could have the
    Contemporary (her not 12.91) but was not interested.
    
    Bottom line, call and just ask what specials are being offered.
    
    Julie

    Based on the previous note, I rang CRO. "Yes, Sir! We do have an 
    AP Special running on FW Trailers for the period 10th June thru 
    16th August at $125/night, and I am showing availability for the 
    week you are interested in!" WHAM! I was in! Booking made for 7 
    nights from July 14th! (I will wait until I have the confirmation 
    slip before I cancel the full price reservation and swing over the 
    deposit.)
    
    I then enquired about specials on other hotels for the period 30th 
    June to July 13th. "Yes, we have an AP special running from ?? May 
    thru 9th June and 10th June thru 16th August. (Why stated as two 
    separate but contiguous periods I didn't ask) For the two weeks 
    you are interested in, I am only showing availability at the 
    Polynesian at $125 or Disney Village 2 Bed at $150".
    
    Looks like the previous note was right, Disney are just trying to 
    fill vacancies by any means, and if the person you speak to 
    doesn't come up with the goods, dial in again for a different 
    person and you will get a different answer.
    
    Maybe, by July, if there are still vacancies they might have a $99 
    special out again.
    
    Mike in Warrington, UK
    
    p.s. When quoting the reservation number, the girl (Sheila) used 
    F for Flounder, S for Sleepy. Is there even a Disney Alphabet now?

    
    
    Mike,
    
    I think they do this when they can. Last year when I made reservations
    the code was BT--- B as in Bambi T as in Thumper. Hey it's one of those
    little touches they like so much.
    
    steve

    Hi Everyone,
    
      Just got my May/June issue of Disney Channel magazine and they had
    the following special for Disney Channel subscribers.
    
    (Paraphased. dictated over the phone)
    
    Stay at a select Walt Disney World resort for 5 nights or more and each
    adult up to 2 will receive a 6 day super pass to all parks when
    accompanied by a child. This offer is good thru 12/22/91 and is
    subject to the usual restrictions of limited rooms etc. For
    reservations call 407-WDISNEY ext 72. Resorts that are included are
    Yacht and Beach Club
    Poly
    Contemparary
    Disney Inn
    Village Resort
    Fort Wilderness.
    
    The Grand Floridian was NOT listed
    
    Regards
    Bill
    
    
    

    I have some questions about the $99 specials.  I have tentatively
    booked 14 nights at the Poly starting Dec. 1.  My confirmation
    slip says I have reserved a Pool View.  Is it fairly safe to
    assume that I'll really get that view?
    
    My confirmation slip also has an interesting notation on it.  It
    says "4 plan nights" and "10 non-plan nights".  Anyone have any
    idea what this means?
    
    The other thing I noticed is the balance of the money is due 21
    days prior to arrival.  Did anyone else notice this?

    Rep to <<< Note 135.54 by AAARGH::LOWELL "Grim Grinning Ghosts..." >>>

    Ruth,
    
>    My confirmation
>    slip says I have reserved a Pool View.  Is it fairly safe to
>    assume that I'll really get that view?
    
    Never stayed  on a Special price so don't know, but when you reserve on
    the  normal  package   plan  it  you  don't  get  what  you  asked  for
    (downgraded) you would be compensated.
    
>    My confirmation slip also has an interesting notation on it.  It
>    says "4 plan nights" and "10 non-plan nights".  Anyone have any
>    idea what this means?
>    The other thing I noticed is the balance of the money is due 21
>    days prior to arrival.  Did anyone else notice this?

    Sounds like you or the Operator thought you were booking a plan and not
    just lodging.  The 21 day requirement is  for the booking of plans well
    in advance.
    
    Claude
        

    Sean, when I saw the non-plan nights I immediately checked the total
    which was correct.  I was just wondering if (hoping?) there might be
    some additional benefits to the special that I didn't know about.
    The only idea I have on the plan/non-plan nights is that you have to
    book at least 4 nights to get the $99 discount.  Does this sound
    feasible?
    
    Claude, since this is a $99 special there wouldn't be any refund due.
    I don't really care what view I have at that price but I would like
    to know if I'll really get a pool view (before I get my hopes up!).
    Actually, I've never had my room downgraded but I have been upgraded
    at no extra charge - got a bay lake view in the north garden wing at
    the Contemporary Resort back in 1988.  It was the best room I've ever
    stayed in.
    
    As for paying off the balance 21 days in advance...  The only time
    I've had to do this has been when I booked World Vacation plans
    through the MKC.  If I've booked rooms only through the MKC I've
    only had to pay the one night's deposit in advance.  The balance
    was due after our stay.  The $99 special is booked through the
    CRO which seems to have different policies from the MKC.  For example,
    my MKC reservation allows a full refund if I cancel it at least
    48 hours in advance.  The CRO reservation allows a full refund if I
    cancel it at least 5 days in advance.

    Rep to <<< Note 135.57 by VAXUUM::LOWELL "Grim Grinning Ghosts..." >>>

    Ruth,
    
>    The only idea I have on the plan/non-plan nights is that you have to
>    book at least 4 nights to get the $99 discount.  Does this sound
>    feasible?

    That  must be it, when booking a Special rate (Annual  Passport,  Stock
    etc.), there must be some restriction on  the  minimum number of nights
    to be eligible, hence the 4 nights plan, with x nights off plan on your
    confirmation  slip.    Or  it's  just Disney computer software  way  of
    handling the specials ;^).
    
    I just checked my  confirmation  slip for next years Port Orleans stay,
    and it just say's that  I'm  confirmed for the PO for 8 nights arriving
    on April 25, 1992, at the $99 rate, no mention of on/off plan nights.
    
    Claude

    Does anyone know if WDW has announced any specials for the December 
    timeframe for Stockholders?
    
    Gary
    

    When I called for my December reservation as a passholder, CRO wanted
    to be sure I wasn't a stockholder when they looked at the list. I'm
    sure there are some running, but I don't know what they are.
    
    Linda
    

    re: What type of room do you get for $99 (.36, .36, .37, .39...)
    

    Well I just tried again.  Talked to a rep in "special programs".  

    I asked why, even though I was told that they don't guarantee any
    particular room type on the passholders special, other people I know
    were able to confirm lagoon view rooms.

    She confirmed that what I was told originally was correct.  I doesn't
    matter what your confirmation says, you'll get what ever is available
    at check-in.  I'm just as likely to get a lagoon view as a parking
    view, and someone who's confirmation says lagoon view might get a
    parking view if that's all that's available.  All they are confirming
    is a room for the quoted price.  She claimed that this was explained to
    everyone who booked the special.  
    
    She said that they have to put in some room type that shows as
    available to make the reservation valid on their system.  I love when
    people blame it on the computer.

    Since my confirmation says "parking view", I figure that's all they
    really owe me for my $99.  If it said lagoon view, and they told me the
    only room available was one with a dumpster, (or worse dolphin), view,
    I'd be pissed.

    I did manage to get her to add a special request for an upgrade to
    lagoon view to the reservation record.  Who knows, it may help.
    
    Linda and Jay you may want to call and see if you get the same party
    line.

    Re: .53 Disney Channel Special
    
    
    After reading this note I immediatly called CRO because I already have
    reservations at Fort Wilderness during the time frame for this special.
    The rep. I spoke to checked my reservation and confirmed that I
    qualified for the special. My original reservation was for 6 nights in
    a trailer total of $1221. The rep. told me I could have the same 6
    nights ,total of $1311, and this includes (1) 6 day adult super pass
    and (1) 6 day child super pass, I asked for the MKC prices of the
    passes and I don't remember right now the exact prices but the total
    was around $300. So for an extra $90 I could get 2 passes worth $300.
    Being the mathmatical genius that I am I figure $210 savings is a good
    deal.
    
    This is where the fun starts.  This past friday I receive the new
    confirmation and it jives with everything I was told on the phone.
    6 days Disney chanel plan total due $1311.
    
    Yesterday I receive a second confirmation with the same confirmation #
    but the total due is only $905. So I call CRO to verify my confirmation
    and check again what is included and was told that I have 6 days in a
    trailer with (1) 6 day adult superpass and (1) 6 day child superpass.
    Grand total of $905.
    
    So I went from a 6 day trailer only for $1221.
    To 6 day trailer and (2) 6 day superpasses for $905.
    
    I can't explain the reduction in price between the two confirmations
    but I certainly am not going to question it!!
    
    John- a very happy camper in just 94 days
    

    I've just got my confirmation for the 7 nights at FW on the 
    passholder special. 
    
    It states - Reservation is for 1 Travel Trailer at the Vacation 
    Plan Rate, Special includes Room and Tax only, and like Ruth's, it 
    says 4 Nights Passholder Special, 3 Non-Plan Nights.
    
    Did anyone get any clarification of the classification of the 
    special? Is it considered a Vacation Plan with full payment 
    required 21 days before? Does it include the three Non-Plan 
    nights? As you have probably gathered, I don't want to pay Disney 
    any more money until I really have to.
    
    If nobody knows, I'll find out when I cancel my full price 
    reservation, and swing over the deposit.
    
    Mike.

    I've just spoken to the CRO, to cancel my full price reservation 
    and swing the deposit over to the 'special' reservation.
    
    I checked, and the special is not a plan, it's just a way of 
    registering it on the computers. You do not need to pay anything 
    except the deposit in advance.
    
    BTW, They still have passholder specials at $125 for all 
    accomodation during July (Except GF and DV at $150).
    
    The Other Mike.

        I made a reservation last night for our next trip down to WDW. 
        I was asking about special programs such as stock, annual
        passport, etc and I asked if there were any others that I did
        not know about.  The clerk asked me I had a gold MKC card.  I
        told her no and she said it really didn't make any difference
        since the MKC gold card was the same as the stockholders plan.

        So, for those of you looking to get a discount reservation,
        this could be a good deal.

        /Jim Pappas
    

    I mentioned this in my 1991 sign-in note, but last week I made
    reservations for DisneyWorld using an advertisement that was in the
    Disney Channel Magazine.  Now the ad says it's for Disney Channel
    subscribers only, but I asked if I needed to provide proof and they
    said no.  Anyway, here's the deal:
    
    Stay at a Walt Disney World Resort (we chose Ft. Wilderness) for
    minimum 5 days and each adult (up to two) gets a free Six-day super
    pass for each child (up to two) pass... this is a saving of up to $300.
    
    When I called (1-800-W-Disney x72) I was quoted $104/night including
    tax at the Ft. Wilderness Resort and since there are three people in
    our family, we will receive one adult superpass and one child
    superpass.  We will have to purchase one ticket ourselves.  (If we had
    another kid, we'd get the passes for free).  The 6-day Superpass
    includes unlimited access to Magic Kingdom, Epcot, MGM, Typhoon Lagoon,
    River Country, Pleasure Island, Discovery Island.
    
    We will plan to use our MKC Card to get a discount on the extra ticket
    we have to buy.  All in all it doesn't sound like a bad deal?  By the
    way, the travel much occur before December 22, 1991.
                                          

    The confusion about various plan and non-plan nights is partially
    created by the computer system conversion that is going on at DW.  The
    20 year old Univax system is being replaced with an up-to-date Unisys
    reservation system.  Some of the reservations are being confused
    because the new system has alot more options and features than the old
    system and operators are not all trained on how to get the specials in
    from of them on the screen.  If you insist on speaking to a supervisor
    they are doing all sorts of things to make people happy to get by right
    now.  My reservations go totally mucked up and I had someone from the
    Computer Systems Dept call me and fix it up with overrides that you
    would not believe.  My confirmations came in with the date of 99/99/99
    and was confirmed without deposit! (I'm sure I can't get that again)  I
    also got all sorts of apologies and then we talked about what was going
    on there after I expained what I did and who I worked for.  As in all
    conversions, this one has been painful but they are now up and running
    on the new system with the mucked up reservations being taken care of 
    in the "most cordial way" and it's true.
    
    There are lot's of specials, even if you have reservations call  at
    least twice a week to check if there are any more specials.
    
    john
    

    John,

    Could you post any more information you gleaned about the new
    reservation system.  (Perhaps in topic 33).

    When I spoke to the CRO a week or two ago, one agent told me that they
    were able to get a lot more information from the system, but complained
    about performance.  Sounds familiar.

    They have also changed the way the confirmations look, and when I
    changed my arrival date, I got a new reservation number in a different
    format.  And just when I had figured out how the formed the old ones.

If I want to get the $99 annual passport special rate, does everyone staying
in the room need to buy an annual passport or does only one person have to 
buy one?

Do you need to show your passport at check in or do they let you go buy one
after check in?

thanks,

Doug

        You do not need to have an annual passport to make your
        reservation, but (in theory) you need one at check in time. 
        The last time I used this special (Nov 89 @ Poly) they did not
        check to see if I had an annual PP.  Things may be different
        now.

        Only one person per room needs an annual passport.  In fact,
        in my case, we are getting two rooms this August, one for my
        family (5 of us) and the other for my parents.  All 5 of us in
        my family  have annual passports but my parents do not.  The
        reservationist told me that as long as 2 of us have annual
        passports at check in time we will be OK.

        /Jim Pappas
    

    re: .69 and .70
    
    My husband asked the reservation clerk about this the other day, as we
    will not be getting our passports until after we arrive in WDW.  He was
    told that we should get them as soon as we arrive, as we will need to
    show them in order to get the special rate at check-in time.
    
    He didn't ask if everyone in the room needs a passport to get the rate,
    as there will just be the two of us and we will both be getting one.
    
    Ellen

        The latest info that I have seen on the Delta FF discounts has
        expired on February 9, 1991.  Although I am a member of their
        FF program, I am not a very FF of Delta.  They may have
        dropped me from their distribution.
    
        Has anyone seen a more recent Delta FF special than I listed
        back in 135.18?
    

    I used my Delta FF card for a 20% discount at the Portobello Yacht Club
    last January.  When I presented it there two weeks ago, the waiter politely
    informed me that the program had indeed expired, and had not been
    renewed.
    
    Cheers,
    Ken
    

    I rang the CRO yesterday, to see if the AP special rate for July 
    had changed (We'd be interested in the Y&BC at $99, but not at 
    $125). I spoke to a lady called Lee-Ann on the Special Programs 
    Desk. She sounded as though she'd been with Disney for a while, 
    and volunteered a lot of information.
    
    She said that because of the current financial climate, the less 
    expensive accomodation was heavily oversubscribed, so the specials 
    were aimed at filling up the more expensive places, while 
    rewarding people for their loyalty to Disney (Annual Passes, 
    Stockholders etc). No surprises here!
    
    She did add that the program was felt to have been successful, 
    achieving their desired occupancy ratios, so she didn't expect the 
    rates to be lowered, unless some major outside influence caused a 
    lot of cancellations.
    
    Oh, Well, I'm happy with the CBR, and we'll take the opportunity 
    to have a good look round the Y&BC, to decide for ourselves 
    whether it's worth the extra.
    
    Mike_with_only_1_month_or_4_weeks_or_31_days_or_756_hours_to_go!

    
    
    re. 72
    
    Jim, 
    
    We have never received unsolicitaded FF materials from Delta. The only
    thing they follow up on is their kids club( I forget the exact name ).
    They even send my son a card for his birthday every January, aside from
    their members mag. Nice touch but he doesn't pay for the trips. What we
    always do is call and ask for the latest FF info package. That's one
    piece of reading that can realy start the "itch"
    
    cheers
    
    steve

    I don't recall seeing anything in here about the American Express "kids
    go free" special being run.  You have to go before December 20 or 21 (I
    don't have my papers here with me) and you have to go on the grand
    plan!  I called for my brother and asked what it would cost for two
    adults and two kids at Fort Wilderness in November on the AE special (I
    had to ask for extension 72) and it was just over $1800.  When you
    think about it, three meals a day for four, superpasses for four, and a
    few other extras - not bad if you have an American Express card and the
    cash to pay it off right away!  Oh, it's the usual "four night" deal,
    of course.  People without children (or who aren't bringing them) get
    $300 off.
    
    
    Susan

I just called about the AMEX special and it didn't do me any good.  The kids 
free part only applies to children between ages 3 and 9 inclusive (2 and under
are free anyway).  The charge for 7 nights was $3600 (including the 300/adult 
off) vs. the $700 that I'm currently spending just for a room.

-Ken

    
    
    I don't know if this should be here, but since the phone # list seems
    to be Disney #s only I'll put it in here. The Delta Frequent Flyer info
    no. is 1-800-323-2323. Tell them you are planning a trip an thinking of 
    their airline and had heard about this program. That should get you
    your card(s) and info in no time. Also ask for a card for every family
    member regardless of age. I spoke with them this am. and they are
    sending out their latest newsletter. I'll post any pertinent info upon
    arrival.
    
    cheers
    
    steve

    This is what they quoted me for the AMEX Kids go Free deal for two
    adults and two children (3 and 6) at Fort Wilderness in the trailers:
    $1,892 for four nights accomodations, three meals a day, all
    transportation, five day plus-pass, $20 gift certificate, 5 Disney $,
    and unlimited use of all recreational facilities, taxes and gratuities
    included.
    
    
    Susan

    I have some questions about the Disney Channel subscriber package.
    I tried to make a reservation for 12 nights, starting on Dec. 1st
    at Fort Wilderness.  At first I was quoted a total price of $1450
    for 2 adults and 2 children.  This seemed reasonable to me, since
    it included 13 day super passes.  The woman at the CRO couldn't
    believe it either and confirmed it with her supervisor.
    
    Unfortunately, the woman from the CRO called me back about ten
    minutes later to let me know that I wouldn't be getting 13 day
    passes (no problem, the ad said 6 day passes) AND, the package
    rate only covered 5 nights.  The other 7 nights would be at the
    regular rate ($160 plus tax per night).  To top things off, I
    ended up with two separate reservations.
    
    Something has to be wrong here.  The ad for the special says,
    "Stay at a select Walt Disney World Resort for five nights or
    more, and..."  It doesn't seem logical that they would require
    two reservations.  In all my Disney experience, I have never had
    this happen.  I had expected to get a special resort rate for 12
    nights and four 6 day passes.  Comments anyone?
    
    At first I chose to stay with the Disney Channel package for 5
    nights and used the annual passholder special for the extra 7
    nights.  But, they said my sister would need an annual pass at
    check-in (with my luck, they'd actually check it).  I was going
    to investigate converting the 6 day passes into annuals, but
    decided it wasn't worth it.  I ended up booking all 12 nights at
    the annual passholder rate and will purchase 4 annual passes.
    
    I'm thinking of calling again to see if I can book get the special
    rate for all 12 nights as $1450 is less than the cost of 12 nights
    at the annual passholder rate plus the cost of annual passes for
    2 adults and 2 children (plus admission to the other stuff included
    in the super passes).
    
    Oh, one thing I wanted to try was to upgrade the super passes to
    annual passes (after using some of the extras of course).  Do you
    think this would be a problem?  It shouldn't be for the children's
    passes since their price is included in the price of the special.
    I am more worried about the adult passes.  Being able to convert
    the passes would make the special more appealing.
    
    Ruth
    
    FYI - I was quoted a total of $1110 for five nights at Fort Wilderness
          for 2 adults and 2 children.  The required deposit is $103.47
    	  which makes it look like the package costs $103.47 per night.
    	  In reality, it is more like $200 when you add in the 6 passes.
    	  I wonder if they are purposely trying to hide the true cost or
    	  if it's a result of their new reservation system.

	With an annual pass holders special I just booked 14 nights in a Fort 
    Wilderness trailer for $99 a night. With tax that's about $108 a night.  
    The normal cost is $180. The annual passholder special at that time is 
    from Jan 1 to Feb 9 and doesn't apply to the Grand Floridian.  Now if I 
    could only get a deal on the airfare.
    
    George

    re:.80
    
    I currently have reservations through the Disney Channel special for
    7 nights (total 724.00) which included the 6 day super passes (2 adult
    and 2 children)...deposit 104.00.
    
    -Jay
    

    For Hotel,  Car Rental, Admission, etc., discount information available
    from Employee Activities, type
        
        VTX Livewire
    
    Select 3, or whatever 'Greater Maynard Area News' is on your system
    
    Select 2, 'Activities'
    
    Select 97, 'Discount Directories'
    
    Select 12, 'Travel Discounts'
    

I was just wondering, how far in advance you can find out the dates for annual
passholders specials?  We have a trip planned for this fall, which may not
happen due to some unexpected medical bills :-( and we were thinking of
planning ahead to next year, in case this trip doesn't pan out.  Would they
have any specials planned at this time for fall of 92?  

thanks,

Joey.

.29, .31, .34

I received my updated confirmation.  New, larger form.  Same old misquoted
price.  There's no way I'm going to pay $190 at the Contemporary for the
off-off season.  Time to get on the phone.

re: .84

They just might.  I'll let you know.  When I call to complain about the above
problem, I'm also going to check into prices for next year right after Labor 
Day, for our second trip (MagiCon, the World Science Fiction Convention is in 
Orlando that weekend).

   Gary

        We just returned from WDW where we stayed at the Beach Club
        using the $99 annual passport holder's special.  I have an
        annual passport and I reserved 2 rooms, one for us, and the
        other for may folks at the AP rate.

        When we checked in, the clerk almost flipped when she saw the
        rate (this was the first day of the AP special).  She said
        that she had never seen a rate that low for any room at the
        Beach Club never mind a lagoon view room.  In fact, she was
        asking how we got such a low rate.  She had made reservations
        for her folks to visit and her reservation was for more money.

        Anyway, as I had suspected (based on my previous trip), I was
        never asked to show my annual passport at check-in.  My guess
        is that once you have a reservation under any of the specials
        (annual passport, stock, MKC Gold Card, or whatever), then you
        do not have to verify that you qualify at check-in. However,
        your mileage may vary.  Don't come back complaining to me that
        you were charged $245/night because you did not qualify for
        the special you signed up for.
    

    don't quote me on this one but, I beleave I saw a section of the
    hotel desks computer screen that said "annual member" with a yes or no
    next to it. My guess is that the yes or no is automatically put into
    the database when you pay for your annual pass. This way it spares them
    the indignation of halving to ask you to verify you are a
    passholder,thus not making them look like they doubt everybody !
    
    Sounds like the way it should be done to me !
    
    then again maybe they key in that field when you tell them you are a
    passholder ?
    
    The moral of the story ! I wouldn't try to claim to be a passholder if
    I wasn't. You may end up very embarressed and with a LARGE hotel bill !

    We just got back from 5 days at Disney.  We stayed at the Polynesian on
    the Passholder's special of $125. a night.  I had called just two weeks
    before and that was the best deal they had going.
    
    We are NOT annual passholders and they never asked us if we were or
    not.  We drove down and so we arrived at about 11:00 a.m.  We were
    going to just inquire about our rooms and then go over and buy our
    passports, but they said our room was ready and we could check in
    immediatly.  I didn't say a word about the passport and they didn't
    ask.  She did say that we had the passholders special of $125/night.
    
    So, possibly they put in the yes when you tell them you are an annual
    passholder?
    
    
    Phyllis
    
    

re: .85

I received my updated confirmation showing the $99 rate.  Relief at last.  It
also shows the complete package price as $900, but I'm going to ignore
that for now, as everything else is correct.

They do not yet have discount rates available for anytime beyond
February, 1992,
and couldn't tell me when they would become available.  They are taking
ordinary reservations for that time.  I'm not sure what the best strategy is.

  Gary

    Here's another saga..
    
    I have found the confirmation form very confusing, and dealing with
    Disney personnel over the phone almost as confusing...
    
    I called Disney in May to make arrangements to stay at FW this
    September.  We decided to take advantage of a Disney Channel package
    (detailed somewhere else in this conference) which stated that if we
    stayed at a Disney resort for five nights or more we'd get free 6-day
    superpasses for each adult accompanied by a child. 
    
     Jeff, the Disney rep, quoted me $104/night (Including tax)and said
    that the superpasses would be waiting for us at check in.
    I was impressed and figured it had to be off-season.  We decided to
    stay for 6 nights.  When the confirmation arrived, the per/night rate
    was $77.49 and the total bill was $807.... weird.  Anyway, I didn't
    question it at the time and paid the bill in two installments. 
    
    In mid-August we thought we'd extend our stay an extra night and I
    called Disney to add another night.  I was quoted $160/night.  I said
    NO WAY!  I'm not paying $160 for one night's stay when the rest of my
    stay is at $104.  The rep said they had no such rate as $104 and the
    package was for only five nights.  I fought about this as the ad read
    "stay five nights or more"  I then got out the confirmation and noted 
    that the per/night rate was $77.49. 
    
    I asked for an explanation - what's the 77.49 for?  and if the rate is
    77.49/night, why am I billed for $807???  I got such a run around. 
    Something to do with the fact that the cost of the superpasses is added
    into the stay and then discounted? 
    
    Anyway, I fought hard and worked my way up the representative ladder
    till I got someone who would give me an extra night's stay at the same
    rate as my other nights.  
    
    The Killer is that the rep tells me now my complete package will be
    $893 for the seven nights.  ($893 - $807 = $85.)  So the extra night is
    actually costing me less than the other night's stay.  I'm so confused.
    
    I KNOW I'm getting a good deal - I shouldn't complain, but really...
                                        

    It sounds to me like you are getting room for $77.49 + tax/night. 
    Florida hotel room tax is 10% and 77.49 + 10% is about $85.00.

    I would strongly recommend bringing your confirmation with you.  If I
    had a confirmation showing that rate, and if it did not state "room
    rate is not guaranteed", then I would make sure that I was only charged
    the nightly rate of $77.49/night once I arrived.

    I would agree that you are getting a fabulous deal.   My guess is that
    someone goofed when entering your reservation.  Don't let them talk you
    out of it once you arrive.  Let us know how you end up.

    I read this in the September '91 Consumer Reports (reprinted without
    permission)
    
    Mickey Mouse Offer
    
    A magazine ad placed by American Express and Walt Disney World led two
    readers, and us, into Confusion-land.  The promotion, called Kids Go
    Free, is for adults who take children to a Disney resort and charge a
    four-night deluxe package on an American Express card.  So far, no
    questions.  But the ad also says that adults traveling WITHOUT
    children get $300 off.  Hmmmm.  If it costs $300 more to show up with
    a kid, how do Kids Go Free?
    
    We obtained price quotes from several Disney reservations people, and
    received several explanations for the mystery.  A typical Kids Go Free
    package, we were told, costs $2266 for two adults and two children. 
    Without two kids?  $1666, or $300 less per child.
    
    One agent opined, "It's double occupancy.  The kids share your room." 
    Another:  "That (price) is what the computer tells us.  It doesn't say
    why."  A third explained that what we were seing wasn't an extra
    charge for children, but an extra discount for no children.  The last
    one sort of makes sense.
    
    We think the best bet for parents who want to visit Disney World by
    themselves, is to ask for the Kids Go Free program.  Then tell the
    clerk the kids are staying at home.
    
    Welcome to Never-Never land.     

I just got a letter from Disney regarding an annual passholder special for
the 20th anniversary.  The letter discussed some extended hours during
October, but also says the following:

"In honor of the 20th Anniversary, Annual Passholders receive special
savings at select Walt Disney World resorts.  Now through October 31, 1991
save 50% while staying at Disney's Yacht and Beach Club, Contemporary,
Polynesian, Village Resorts, The Disney Inn, and Fort Wilderness Resort
Trailer Homes.  Save 25% at Disney's Grand Floridian Beach Resort and Fort
wilderness Campsites.  For reservations, information, and restrictions
call (407) 827-7200."

I called to check on the "restrictions".  The representative told me
the only restriction was to stay during the month of October (and to be
an annual passholder).

We just called and changed our reservation.  We had originally booked our 
room with the 30% MKC discount, but they changed it for us to the 50% annual
passholder special October discount.  They told my husband that the
confirmation ticket will list the original full price of the room, but
the actual rate will be 50% off when we present our annual passport.  Is it
normal for the ticket to list the full price, yet you get a discount at
check-in?  It makes me a little nervous, yet the Disney representative sounded
as if they knew what they were talking about (I guess I'm just nervous as it
still sounds too good to be true)!  

Joey (with 11 days to go now that the trip is back on...)

    thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! We're leaving Thursday and I was
    just perusing thru when I saw this.  I called and they switched us from
    the MKC 30% off special to the Annual Passport 50% special!!!
    
    Cathi

In a few earlier notes there was a mention of a Disney Channel 
special.  I will be leaving the this month for WDW for 10 
days (7 at WDW).  This past weekend the horror of not going almost became a 
reality.  In going to my travel agent to pay for the remaining amount 
of my trip we (the travel agent and my self) were shocked to find that 
the cost of the trip was about $500.00 more than expected.

By piecing together all the information in the notes file I can expand 
on the problems that I ran into and Jeanne ran into (note 135.90) with 
this special.  A synopsis is:

the special read:

"Stay at a select Walt Disney World Resort for five nights or more, and each
 adult (up to two) receives a FREE six-day unlimited Super Pass to all
 seven Disney theme parks and attractions when accompanied by a child
 (max of two children per room)."

Back in the April/May time frame this translated into:

  - Stay at a resort for 5 or more nights at any published rate.
  - Get 2 adult passes for free
  - Get 2 children passes for free

At later dates this translated into:

  - Stay at a disney resort for 5 or more nights at the REGULAR rate.
  - Pay for the 2 childrens passes.
  - Get the 2 adult passes for free

The problem arose with the initiation of a the new reservation system,
the manner in which rates were portraited and quoted and 
'undertrained' employees on with his new system.

For myself, I was quoted $103.47/night (inc tax), 2 free adult passes and 2
free childs passes + pay for my other child.  This would have translated 
into about $858 for 7 nights (what a deal!!!)  To my surprise the total 
came to $1447 this weekend when I saw the reservation slip...all the 
other figures...were correct (the per night figure and the deposit 
figure).

How they calculated it was:

[(160*5)-(cost adult tickets)]/5 gives per night rate

(160*5)+(104*additional nights)+(childrens tickets) gives package price


[Some of the charges would change a bit depending on the time of your
stay and the information you provided (MKC discounts on the ticket 
prices etc).  We are staying in a trailer in FW]

Because of the notes that I kept (names of people, dates, question 
asked, answers), notes kept by my travel agent and the notes in this 
notes file...I could document 6 non-CRO people that talked with 4 (or 
more...I had 4 names) CRO people with dates that all stated exactly my 
understanding of the package.   I'd like to thank all the people that
record their announcements, packages, prices paid, problems and trip reports
in this notes file.  The information was very valuable in 'stating my 
case'.

In the end we worked out what I thought was a reasonable price, more 
than I initially thought but a heck of a lot less than the total 
was...now I have the spending money that I thought.  If someone else 
has selected this package, I suggest that you ensure that the total 
package price was what you expected, if you need anymore information 
feel free to give me a call.

-Jay

    Next time you see ads for a WDW vacation package jot down what the
    package includes and then breakdown all the "line items". SOmetimes
    these packages come in a lot higher than going a la carte.
    
    Mike

    re: .98
    

>>The conference is offering a 25% discount on admission to Disneyland so the
>>cost of a 1-day pass would be $22.75.

>>Is this better than I would get by joining MKC?  Afterall, DEC would be paying
>>for my hotel, airfare, car rental, meals, etc. while I am there. (Unless I
>>extend my stay). I'm just wondering if I should bother with MKC this year.

    
    The current price of admission (or at least what was current three weeks 
    ago), is $27.50 w/o MKC, $25.50 with;  so the discount you are getting from
    the conference is a better discount.
    
    However, since the MKC can be obtained free from Personnel (unless you
    were talking about getting a GOLD card, which costs), you probably
    might want to consider getting it anyway.  Especially since the stores
    at the Disneyland Hotel offer much of the same souvenirs as are in the
    park, but will give you a 10% discount on them at (which the park won't).
    
    

    AAA is offering 20% off rooms at the Y&B, Poly, Contemporary, Disney
    Village.  I had called the AAA office in Nashua, they didn't know
    anything about this.  Apparantly, it was just announced - I found out
    through my sister who has AAA in Mass.  I did call Disney reservations
    and they knew about the 20%, however the week I'll be the Y&B has no
    availability at that price.
    
    Julie
      

    
    Excuse me if this is covered but I did do a "dir/ent discount".
    
    Can someone tell me if there is an employee discount package for
    EPCOT and MGM?  I would like to know ASAP as expected trip would
    be early April.  
    
    I did check our local employee rack here in NRO2 but found nothing!
    
    Thanks!
    
    Bob Montville
    FLYSQD::Montville (preferred)
    
    P.S.  also associated cost would be helpful

    Bob,
    
    MKC is what you want. Contact Sheila Fantozzi or go to the nearest 
    PAC center for MKC info.
    
    Mike

    
    
    	Some Personnel offices and the Corporate Employee Activity
    	Group have Magic Kingdon CLub cards which entitle you to
    	10% discounts of passes, purchases in the Disney Village, 
    	and I believe car rental agreements.
    
    		Heidi

    
    Yesterday I received the latest AAA magazine in the mail and found and
    interesting article in the travel section. It involves AAA
    discounts at WDW.

    Please see the following copy of this article, printed without permission
    from AAA:

          *     *    *     *     *     *     *    *    *    *

                            AAA Member's Save


                 New member benefits program announced.
                 --------------------------------------


    With AAA's newly expanded member-benefits program, members can save up
    to 20 percent at Walt Disney World's resort hotels throughout the year.

    Enjoy year-round discounts at the following Disney Resorts:
    Caribbean Beach Resort, Contemporary Resort, Fort Wilderness
    homes and campsites, Village Resort, Disney's Vacation CLub, Port
    Orleans, Dixie Landings, Yacht and Beach Club Resorts, and the
    new Wilderness Lodge, set to open this May.

    Members save 20 percent on stays Apr. 17-June 10 and Aug. 10 -
    Dec. 19; save 10 percent now through Apr. 16 and from June 11 -
    Aug. 13. The discount is not available Dec. 20-Jan. 2.

    For reservations, travel tips, and other information, please
    contact the AAA Disney Desk at 800/222-7448.
    
    *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *
    
    There was nothing in the article that said reservations HAD to be made
    through AAA. I decdied to give AAA a call and see if I could get some
    $$$$ off my reservations.
    
    AAA said they WERE doing conversions with reservations that had been 
    previously made directly with WDW.
    
    While on the phone my AAA rep called up WDW and after taking my
    reservation number and membership number she checked with WDW on
    the possibility of a discount.
    
    After a minute or so she returned and said that all the discounts
    for that time (described by her as a "peak period") were gone. That
    caught me be surprise because the magazine HAD JUST COME IN THE MAIL.
    I mentioned that if that was the case then they should not have included
    that time period (June 11 - August 13) in the magazine article. I was
    surprised when had first read the article and saw that time period plus
    the inclusion of CBR, PO, and DL. That's what prompted me to make a
    call. I thanked her for all her help, what the heck, nothing ventured, 
    nothing gained.
    
    I thought about calling up later in the day and try to make bogus
    reservations in late August and try to get this discount. If this
    were to be successful would I be catching them in a lie?
    
    The good news is that if you are going down this year and you are not
    going during a peak period you may be able to take advantage of this
    deal. Such a discount will more than pay for the price of a AAA
    membership.
    
    Remember, even if your reservations have already been made (directly
    with the CRO NOT THROUGH A TRAVEL AGENT) you may still get the
    discount.
    
    If anyone tries this please let us know in here how you make out.
    
    Mike
    

    Mike, I had called reservations (see my note .100) as soon as I found
    out about this deal.  Because the hotel was full they could not convert
    my reservation (Y&BC) over to the AAA rate.  They did tell me that both the
    Poly and Contemporary were available at the AAA rate.  My sister is
    confirmed the week of Apr 17th at the Y&BC with the AAA rate with the
    exception of one night, again the hotel was full on the 23rd.
    
    What is really funny about this is that when I had originally called
    the AAA office did even know anything about this deal but WDW
    reservations did.
    
    I'm going with a MKC plan -- the $$$ work out better for me.
    
    Julie
    

    What intrigued me the most about this offer was the fact that the CBR,
    PO, and DL were included during peak time. Do they really need to
    include those three resorts for such a discount when they fill up so
    fast?
    
    Mike

    I called yesterday to try to convert my reservation to AAA discount. 
    There are a limited number of rooms allocated to the discount at a
    time, and 3/19 to 3/26 had none available. 
    
    I agree with Mike that it is strange that the three "cheapies" are
    included in this offer. Port Orleans, being smaller, is frequently 
    fully booked when rooms are still available at Dixie Landings and
    CBR. 
    
    Linda

    I called to inquire about using the AAA discount for my reservation at
    Wilderness Lodge on opening day.  I could get the discount but would
    have to take a less desirable room.  The lady I spoke with said the
    discounts ranged from 10-20% depending on the dates selected.
    
    The bottom line was, I could save $10 !!! for a two night stay if I 
    took a less desirable room.  I did not make the reservation change.
    
    Alan

    Maybe they are starting to include the PO, DL, and CBR in discounts 
    because the all-star resorts will be cheaper.

    My faith in AAA was restored today.  I had a terrible experience
    getting road service one day this winter... but that's another story.
    
    Anyway...  About 2 weeks ago I reserved and confirmed a room at CBR 
    for 9 days in October, without the use of a travel agent or AAA.  
    I called AAA to see what they could do for me.  I'm sure there were
    a number of contributing factors, the off season probably the greatest 
    factor, but AAA saved me $10/night.  That equates to about 20% savings 
    over what Joe Citizen would pay, 10% better than my MKC discount.   
    
    The reservation is for he same room, same view...  they didn't even
    change the reservation number.
    
    Tim                   

   Those of you who send a letter off to the Orlando/Orange County
   Convention & Visitors Bureau requesting tourist information should
   receive the following in the mail this year. Please note that all
   prices quoted are subject to change:

     - An Orlando Magicard. This card will offer discounts on Attractions, 
       Restaurants and Dinner Theaters Transportation, Shopping, and
       Accommodations.

   Some examples of the discounts:

       $3.50 off per person for Busch Gardens (Reg. $31.90)
       $3.00 off per person for Sea World (Reg. $32.95)
       $2.50 off per person for Universal Studioa (Reg. $37.10)

       Buy 1 Get one Free Adult Admission to Capone's Dinner Show
       (Reg. $24.34)

       $1.00 off each way transfer per person for Mears Motor
       Shuffle.

       Days Inn - Special Magicard rates start at $28.

       (Send me mail if you want to know the Magiccard rate for a
        particular hotel. there are over 60 listed)

     - A pamphlet that describes the Discount Attraction Tickets you
       can purchase at the Mercado Mediterranean Shopping Village on
       Int'l Drive. This place is somewhat of a secret. Look for
       Suite 152. You can purchase discount tickets for attractions
       here, including Busch Gardens, Sea World, etc. Do this to save
       money and avoid long ticket lines.

     - A Florida Vacation safety tips pamphlet. This talks about
       Florida laws and tips on avoiding trouble.

     - A WDW Theme Park Guide, usually an MGM/Studios booklet.

     - A Universal Studios pamphlet.

     - A Sea World pamphlet (Some new attractions since I was there
       in '92).

     - An Official Orlando Accommodations Guide (58 pages)

     - An Official Orlando Visitors Guide (80 pages)

   First-timers to the area would benefit greatly from these items.

   Mike

    re .111
    
    Have you an address or phone no. so that someone in the UK can get 
    this info. 
    
    I have just returned from 4 days at Eurodisney, and its given my family
    at taster, and we are planning for WDW in 95 or 96, depending on the
    cash situation.
    Ideally I would like to stay at a WDW resort, as we did at ED, but I am
    trying to compare the costs of booking a WDW resort through a holiday
    package(eg Virgin holidays), or a hotel outside the MK, or hire a
    villa, or book a WDW resort using the MKC card. I am trying to get as
    much info as possible so we can estimate how much we will have save for
    the holiday.
    I also read in another note about a WDW visitors guide video, do you
    know if this is available in the UK?
    
    I will be grateful for any advice...
    
    
    				Dave. 

    
    
    If you call me on 830-2385, I'll talk you thru' some of the options you
    mention!
    
    John Gray.

    When using your American Express to pay for your room within the Park,
    you get a frre portrait with Mickey.
    
    Julie

    Re:.114
    We got two pictures with Mickey. We thought we only got one,
    but when we went to Studio M (behind Chef Mickey's in the
    Marketplace) they told us our package included 2.
    So, we had the kids do one and we did one as a family.
    It took no more that 15 minutes to check in, wait in line,
    have photos taken and pick up photos.
    
    Ron

    Dear Moderator,
    	I am not sure where this note belongs, but I am new to notes so
    entered it here.
    
    	I have a question.  I am plannin on going to Disneyworld in May of
    '95 and am looking for discounts on tickets to the various parks.  I
    don't need help in looking for hotels, but we do need to rent a car.  I
    know that Digital no longer offers the discount to employees in the
    M.K.C., but I was wondering where else I could find discounts.  There
    will be four adults traveling. 
    
    Thanks,
    Michele

    
    RE: 116
    
    I just picked up my MKC membership and discount from the Hudson Ma.
    Digital site last week.  If your site has a logo store they should
    also have the MKC membership cards. Digital still supports this.
    
    
    John
    
    
    

    
    
    Where can I get good deal on enterance ticket in WDW, Seaworld and
    other parks.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Subbu

    There's a company called Fun For Sale By Mail in California that sends 
    out direct mailers once a month offering discount tickets to theme
    parks, movie theatres, etc.  You can order over the phone by calling
    (714) 770-8188 and using a credit card, or by sending a check to Fun
    For Sale, 21791 Lake Forest Drive, suite 200, Lake Forest, CA. 92630.
    
    The cost for Disneyland tickets are 21.50 each (a $9.50 per ticket
    savings) and there is no minimum or miximum purchase requirements.
    
    I suggest that you call and ask to be put on their mailing
    list...that's free to all!
    
    MJ

    Can anyone tell me about AAA discounts.  I've scanned the file and
    found some info but it seems old.  Someone indicated tht they are going
    in May and the AAA discount was > MKC.
    
    Specifics:
    
    Will it be available the 23rd-29th of April?
    
    What hotels does it apply to?
    
    thanks in advance.  
    
    -Jay
    

    
    I don't know the specific answers to your question Jay, but
    I suspect that the answer is that:
    
    	Yes it is offered 4/23-29.
    
    	And that the discount is offered at all the hotels (although
    	perhaps not at All-Star or maybe even DL, PO, or CB).
    
    	Best bet is to call and ask for it.  That's all I did.
    
    	While you're at it, you should ask if the hotel is having
    	any discounts of its own for that time frame.  I found the
    	following:
    
    	for Y&BC for 5/6-14:
    
    	MKC got me 10% off of full price.
    	AAA got me 20% off of full price.
        Hotel discount got me almost 25% off of full price.
    
    	But remember, you've got to ask - they won't volunteer anything.
        I think they're trained not to.
    
    Gary

I was also able to get the Beach Club special of $160/night for May 9-15th.  
(Thanks Carol and Gary!)  The cast member I talked with didn't seem to know 
what discount I was talking about until I gave her the exact price that other 
(unnamed) people had gotten.

I asked her what sort of special/package this was, and she said it is an
unnamed, off-season special that is sometimes available and sometimes not.  
It's pretty much hit or miss as to whether it will be offered at any given
time.  I definitely got the impression that if I hadn't heard about it here
and known to ask about it, it would not have been offered to me.

						Tracy

<I definitely got the impression that if I hadn't heard about it here
<and known to ask about it, it would not have been offered to me.

Yeah, I was really surprised that I had to push for that information from
the second cast member I called.  I asked her about prices for the Poly
during that time, and she really *pushed* to book me at something like $225
a night.  I had said that this was too much money, and it was only after I
brought up that someone else had gotten a special deal at the other resort
that she said, "Oh, well, let me see if there's a special."  "Now, excuse me,
but why didn't you look *before*?" I wondered.

At any rate, the first cast member was GREAT, so I talked to his supervisor
and told her so.  After speaking with 3 other cast members since speaking with
him, I am especially glad I praised him.

I wonder, too, if there's other specials we don't hear about, and how we
can find out about them in the future *before* we pay more.  I think Ashton
(my currently favorite cast member) just wanted to make my day/week since
I had told him it was my first trip *and* that it was going to be on my
birthday.  :-)   (he succeeded  ;-)  )

    Carol

    Anyone want an Orlando/Central Florida Visitor Vacation Packet?
    
    You can order one, plus an Orlando Magicard at...
    
                    http://www.goflorida.com/ooccvb/order.html
    
    If you're going real soon and still want one then go to The Mercado
    Shopping Village on 8445 South International Drive in Orlando. I believe
    it' right near Ripley's Believe It Or Not Museum.
    
    For more information on The Mercado Shopping Village go to...
    
                    http://www.knight-images.com/mercado/
    
    There is a Visitor's/Tourist Bureau there and you can pick up discount
    coupons and the Magiccard there.
    
    Mike