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Conference koolit::disney

Title:The Disneyphile's Disney File
Notice:This Conference can show you The World
Moderator:DONVAN::SCOPA.zko.dec.com::manana::eppes
Created:Thu Feb 23 1989
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:536
Total number of notes:19961

38.0. "Car Rental Agencies - Orlando" by DSSDEV::GIANATASSIO () Thu Mar 02 1989 10:54

    I have auto rental reservations with a:
    
    	Value Rental
    	Orlando, Florida
    
    The travel agent said they used them often and have not had any
    complaints. Anyone know if this is a reputable car rental agency?
    
    Thank You
    
    Mike
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38.1" ? "USMFG::GHIGGINSOh Nellie !! Your Here At Last...Thu Mar 02 1989 15:409
    
     I'm not sure just how Value ranks with the other agencies but given
    the competitiveness for the tourists dollar in the Orlando area,
    they are probably as good as the next guy.
    
     George
    
      P.S.  I used Superior last year and was quite happy with their
            service....
38.2Some good, some not so good...AUGGIE::FEELEYSurely you jestThu Mar 02 1989 19:4128
There seem to be 2 tiers of car rentals in Orlando.  Those with booths in the
airport, and those without.  I think Dollar may have a booth.

The cheaper rates come with those that aren't located right at the airport.
Instead you have to take a shuttle to their office.  There are a couple of
things you should be aware of with these rental companies (General and Alamo are
the biggest and they're right next to each other).  They will charge you a
gasoline fee (about $11 or $12) and you are supposed to return it empty.  Also,
if you don't take their extra insurance (and this is where they make their
money), you have to put up a $300 deposit (cash or credit card).  And then, if
you're lucky, you can find their office when you go to return the car.

The well-known national rental car companies all have booths at the airport,
don't charge a gas fee (unless you return it not-full), and don't require a
deposit if you don't take their insurance.  I have found that competition has
driven down the prices at Orlando so that it probably is worthwhile to rent from
one of the well-known companies.  I usually use Budget.

Once I used Hertz when they were having a special.  After waiting for half an
hour in line, I was told that, because I was keeping the car for more than a
week, I was supposed to go to their "other" location (which was on the airport
grounds, but I had to take a shuttle).  I was supposed to return it there, too,
but I forgot and brought it right back to the airport.  But now I remember and I
won't use Hertz again.

--Jay

38.3DSSDEV::GIANATASSIOFri Mar 03 1989 10:403
    Thank you. I will check into the more well known companies.
    
    Mike
38.4consider NationalATE012::CLAUDEClaude G. BerubeFri Mar 03 1989 10:4914
    Mike,
    
    If you  plan  to  look  into  National,  remember  that Dec does have a
    corporate  discount with them (recap # 5202017), and National being the
    official car  rental  co.    of  WDW is the only car rental co.  on the
    premises (Car Care  Center  just after the tolls to the MK.) I had used
    them on my last  trip  and  got the Corp.  discount since it was better
    than the MKC discount.   So  if  you happen to develop any problem with
    the car, they won't be far away from the Day's inn you mentioned in the
    other note, not all the car rental  agencies  seemed  to have a site on
    192 in Kissemee as I remember back in  '87  (seemed  to  remember  just
    Avis, Budget and a couple others)
    
    Claude
38.5MUNKAD::VINZENZRAINBOW-100 continuedTue Mar 21 1989 11:2719
    I'm going to Florida/WDW this summer and intend to rent a car from
    Budget.  Last time I picked up the car at the Orlando airport and
    turned it in at Ft.Lauderdale airport.  They charged me $48/week
    plus insurance for a subcompact (but then they gave me a bigger
    car for the same price, since they had run out of subcompacts that
    day, and we had reservations for a subcompact).  This was two years
    ago, so I'm expecting the price to be a little higher this year.
    
    Does anybody happen to know the current price?  And does anybody
    know, if the same low price applies if the car is being picked up
    at Ft.Myers airport instead of Orlando?  Maybe only Orlando pick ups
    get those low prices, since the majority of tourists seems to be
    flying into Orlando.
    
    Any answer is greatly appreciated.
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Vinzenz
38.6Spring rate is $95AUGGIE::FEELEYGrowing older but not up...Tue Mar 21 1989 17:3311
>>>    Does anybody happen to know the current price?  And does anybody
>>>    know, if the same low price applies if the car is being picked up
>>>    at Ft.Myers airport instead of Orlando?  

I'm renting a subcompact from Budget in April for $95/wk (they advertised $99
but quoted me $95).  As far as I know, this is a FLORIDA price, but it may be
only for certain cities.  The best prices usually come when you make your
reservation more than 30 days in advance.

--Jay

38.7on insuranceBOOKIE::EPPESOf a fictitious natureTue Mar 21 1989 20:4810
    RE < Note 38.5 by MUNKAD::VINZENZ "RAINBOW-100 continued" >

>    They charged me $48/week
>    plus insurance for a subcompact 

    Check the insurance policy on your own car and see whether it covers
    rental cars (mine does).  If so, you don't need to take the insurance
    from the rental agency and you'll save money...

							-- Nina
38.8DSSDEV::GIANATASSIOWed Mar 22 1989 10:345
    I am renting a car from National Car Rental in May for $89/wk. I forget
    the car size, but I remember that Chevy Cavalier was one of the types
    of cars they said I would get.
    
    Mike
38.9AYNRND::REILLYGet outta here, you hockey puck!Wed Mar 22 1989 10:5116
38.10AVIS tooWMOIS::C_JALBERTWed Mar 22 1989 15:2512
    You may also want to consider AVIS.  Because Digital has an agreement
    with them, WE can also take advantage of this.  Recently, while
    looking into renting a van, (mini-type van-seats 7) most places
    charged $45 per day plus X no of miles free and X # of cents after
    that.  With AVIS, and our corporate rate it was $35.00 per day,
    unlimited miles and ... I think, insurance included!
    
    Also, if you are a Magic Kingdom Club member, I believe with 
    NATIONAL you get some type of a discount.
    
    Carla
    
38.11Digital discount #'sATE012::CLAUDEClaude G. BerubeWed Mar 22 1989 15:3711
    Last I knew these were  the  #'s  for getting the Digital discount when
    renting from Avis and National in the US,
    
        Avis - A/B 126200
        National - Recap # 5202017
    
    As .10 stated National does have a discount for MKC members, but in '87
    it turned out cheaper for me to use the Digital # when I rented a Buick
    Century at the Car Care Center at WDW.
    
    Claude
38.12Never General again!~RATTLE::TLAPOINTEFri Mar 24 1989 12:4011
    I used "General" in the past. It was part of an Eastern package.
    I had paid an additional fee to the Travel Agent for a larger car. 
    What I got was a Chevy Cavalier wagon.  
    
    Basically I learned my lesson.... Use a major rental company and
    never use Eastern.  For what I paid for a lousy Chevy I could have
    gotten a much larger vehicle for less money thru National, Avis
    or any of the other "Big" names.  A friend went down 6 months after
    I did and did just that.
    
    Tony
38.13Alamo ExperienceUSMFG::GHIGGINSOh Nellie !! Your Here At Last...Thu Apr 06 1989 18:1923
    
     Just got back from California, and rented from Alamo. When I made
    the reservation, I was assured a Pontiac Grand AM, Chevy Beretta
    or equivalent. All was fine until I told them I didn't want the
    insurance. He was ready to give me a Suburu that looked like it
    had been run through the mill. As I had walked into the place, I
    noticed at least 4 unused '89 Grand Am's. I told him no way, I want
    the Grand AM. He started giving me a speal about how the cars weren't
    checked out yet and they had to be brought in the back for service.
    
     I told him fine, " I'll wait till you service one ". He walked
    around the place like he was lost. I guess he figured I'd take the
    Suburu. A couple minutes later he walked back with the keys for
    an '89 Grand AM. They really hassle you when you don't buy the extra
    insurance (which was $150 for the 2 weeks I rented the car). I've
    got a lot better things to do with $150 bucks than waste it on
    insurance. Alamo was the only agent in San Fran to offer free mileage,
    and with the 2000+ miles I drove, it was worth it.
    
    George
    
    
    
38.14AYNRND::REILLYGet outta here, you hockey puck!Thu Apr 06 1989 19:3115
    
    Hmmmmm......
    
    Our expereince with Alamo was a little better.  We had booked a
    Toyota Tercel.  When we got there the lady told us that we could
    have a Grand AM/Beretta for just a little bit more (and it was
    really just a little bit more).
    
    I said Great!  This was before Berettas were even being sold to
    the general public (must have test-marketed them with the rental
    agency), so it was great driving down to Disney in a unique, slick car.
    
    And we didn't get insurance either.
    
SEAN/BEER=LABATTS
38.15ESASE::BENOBut I bought the last round!Fri Apr 07 1989 08:2338
Here are some special weekly rates that were quoted to me for MAY 1989.
The reply to a memo I sent to Carol Surabian (VTX Travel) stated that even
for these special weekly rates for AVIS (I.E. the company contract is a
35% discount on DAILY rates) you can waive the CDW as long as AVIS knows
its a Digital reservations.




                	 AVIS   Hertz  National Alamo   Thrifty   Budget

Sub-compact(week rate)   $109	$99	$80	$85	$130  	  $109
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Compact(week rate)       $139   $129    $130    $110    $140      $129
(Toyota Corolla size)
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CDW(week rate)           $ 77   $ 77    $ 70    $ 77    $ 70      $ 70
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Free miles              unlimited.......................................
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Advanced booking(in days)  30      3     14      7       --          7







From:	ZONULE::SURABIAN     31-MAR-1989 20:22:33.16
To:	ESASE::BENO
CC:	
Subj:	AVIS RATES

Yes, you are right, CDW can be waived on AVIS rentals in the US for business
and personal travel. You also can waive it on special rates that may be
offered not only on the DEC daily rate.  Be sure to identify reservations
as Digital when making your arrangements.  If you send me your mailstop I
will send you a brochure on AVIS rates and rules. Regards Carol
38.16CDW on Avis ?CLEGG::BELLFri Apr 07 1989 10:177
    Do I read you correctly that you can waive CDW even on a personal
    hire from Avis. I have an Avis charge card for business use but
    thought that DEC wouldn't cover you for CDW on a private hire. Can
    someone give an 'Official' line on this as I wouldn't want to get
    saddled with a bill for damage should the unfortunate happen.
    
    Richard Bell
38.17Not on private hire.CLEGG::BELLFri Apr 07 1989 10:585
    To answer my own question I called the travel people in the UK who
    said that I must take the insurance for a private hire. DEC don't
    cover you except when on business travel. It figures I guess.
    
    Richard Bell
38.18check your auto policyATE012::CLAUDEClaude G. BerubeFri Apr 07 1989 11:417
    Richard,
    
    Check your  own  auto  policy,  I  did that and found out I was covered
    through mine and  decline  the  CDW on a National rental, using the DEC
    discount, while renting from  the Car Care Center at WDW and no hassle.
    
    Claude
38.19Only in the USESASE::BENOBut I bought the last round!Fri Apr 07 1989 13:258
	The rules are not the same in Europe for AVIS rentals.  Here even
	for business travel when you waive the CDW, your cost centre must
	pay. But it is my understanding in the US that the contract between
	DEC and AVIS is such that no CDW is needed for either business or
	personal travel as long as the car is booked as a DIGITAL reservation.
	Carol Surabian runs the VTX travel server and has given me that reply.
	Please contact her as she should be the "OFFICIAL" DEC voice on this
	issue for US AVIS rentals.   ZONULE::SURABIAN
38.20Soft copy of a Hard copyESASE::BENOBut I bought the last round!Mon Apr 10 1989 14:0377
	Carol Surabian who is the travel supervisor in the corporate
	Finance and administration group in Maynard sent me a hardcopy
	of the high points of the contract between AVIS and Digital.
	I'll type in a few pages and any further information can be 
	obtained from Carol on Zonule::surabian.

	The CDW is "FREE" by contract on "Digital Reservations" for both
	business and personal rentals.  Using this should be better than
	having "your" personal insurance for cover as in case of an
	accident, your personal insurance annual rates should not be
	increased.

	

	                   D I G I T A L

	              Digital travel services


		         AVIS CAR RENTAL

		           ID # A126200

	                 TELEPHONE: 800-331-1212


	                 Car Rental Profile Information


	o  Payment for rental by:

             ACTO
	     DEC Credit Card
	     Personal Credit Card (Personal Travel Only)

	o  Rental Age: 18 years and older unless restricted by law.

	o  Personal Use- Digitals Corporate rates may be used for
           personal travel.

	o  PAI should be considered on personal travel only.

	o  For rentals within the United States and Puerto Rico.
	   CDW is provided by contract at participating Avis
	   locations and should be declined on business and
	   personal rentals.

	o  At non-participating AVIS locations and on international
	   rentals, CDW is not provided but should be declined
	   because the cost to Digital exceeds the cost of car
	   damages.  If damage to a vehicle occurs, the travellers
	   cost centre will be charged.

	o  Accidents- If accidents involve bodily injury notify
	   DEC's Risk Management Group at 617-264-6360(DTN
	   244-6360).  Complete Avis accident report and send
	   copy to Risk Management if injury is involved.

	o  Car rental companies assess high fuel surcharges on
	   autos returned without full gas tanks.  Refuel rental cars
	   prior to return to avoid premium charges.

	o  Compact size cars should be used unless there is a
	   business reason to do otherwise.

	o  When possible return cars to pick up point.  One way
	   rentals cost more.

	o  Review rental agreement for accuracy.

	o  Use the Approved Travel Vendor under contract to 
	   make car rental reservations.


	In the information that Carol sent me is a list of Non-Participating
	cites. These look like small cites or cites that don't have a major
	airport with AVIS on site.  Orlando is definitely OK to waive the CDW.
38.21What about National Contract?ATE012::CLAUDEClaude G. BerubeMon Apr 10 1989 14:300
38.22National is covered tooAUGGIE::FEELEYGrowing older but not up...Mon Apr 10 1989 15:1110
>>>          -< What about National Contract? >-

When I talked to Carol, she told me that the same thing that goes for Avis goes
for National.

And I also found out that National offers a 10% discount on its WEEKLY rates for
AAA members (maybe for ALA, too).

--Jay,  6 days and counting...

38.23There must be a catch somewhere....ASABET::YEE_WONGMon Apr 10 1989 16:5816
    I am very surprised by the fact a DEC employee can waive the CDW
    if he/she booked a rental (for strictly personal use) from one of the 
    national outfits that have contracts with DEC.  Is DEC paying for
    this or are the rental companies absorbing this cost?  
                                                          
    BTW...does anyone have the DEC recap # for National?  I had made
    reservations with National using the MKC recap number...but if
    I can change it to DEC, I will be saving some money there if I don't
    have to buy the insurance.
    
    Jean
    
    P.S.  There must be a catch somewhere...I can't believe that any
    DEC employee can call up one of the national rental agencies, give
    the DEC recap number, and waive the CDW if the car is for personal
    use.  If this is the case it's a very nice surprise.
38.24The catch is "good business"AUGGIE::FEELEYGrowing older but not up...Mon Apr 10 1989 17:0711
>>  P.S.  There must be a catch somewhere...I can't believe that any
>>  DEC employee can call up one of the national rental agencies, give
>>  the DEC recap number, and waive the CDW if the car is for personal use.  

If all DEC employees use National or Avis rather than Hertz because of this
policy, then it starts to make sense.  In the past I've used Budget and have
been very happy with them, but now I'm going to try to use either Avis or
National.

--Jay

38.25see .11 for DEC's rental contract #'sATE012::CLAUDEClaude G. BerubeMon Apr 10 1989 17:0915
rep to <<< Note 38.23 by ASABET::YEE_WONG >>>

>    I am very surprised by the fact a DEC employee can waive the CDW
>    if he/she booked a rental (for strictly personal use) from one of the 
>    national outfits that have contracts with DEC.  Is DEC paying for
>    this or are the rental companies absorbing this cost?  

    BTW, I  saw  on  the  news  about  a  month or so, Hertz is starting to
    eliminate the CDW  from their contracts in certain states, and in a few
    years all contracts will not have this.  Of course the rental rate will
    go up somewhat, but not  the  full  diference  of  the  CDW, since some
    states I believe were/are considering laws against this since it wasn't
    insurance in the pure sense, but another means to make big profits.
    
    Claude
38.26Going National, thanks for advice.CLEGG::BELLTue Apr 11 1989 08:5112
38.27Just to give you a warmer feeling!ESASE::BENOBut I bought the last round!Tue Apr 11 1989 12:5714
            <<< DELNI::WORK$01:[NOTES$LIBRARY]ON_THE_ROAD.NOTE;1 >>>
                              -< Business travel >-
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Note 87.38                       Rental Mentals                         38 of 38
ROGER::GAUDET "Ski Nautique"                          6 lines  10-APR-1989 12:45
                        -< Recent personal experience >-
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    Yup, it's just like .-1 said.  I just did it this morning.  I need a
    car for personal travel this coming weekend.  I called corporate travel
    and booked a car, they gave me the corporate rate, told me to decline
    CDW, and gave me a confirmation number all in about 5 minutes.
    
    					...Roger...
38.28value was okNSSG::ALFORDanother fine mess....Wed Apr 12 1989 20:2712
    I used Value --- they adverise the $78/wk...
    I got a Ford Escort.  It was clean, had a full tank of gas, and
    ran well (only had maybe 2000 miles on it.)
    The price actually worked out to about $90 / week, once they
    add tax, gas charge, etc.  No CDW--charged it, and the MC covers
    it...
    No hassles from them....but they were SLOW during the rental
    process...getting the car, and all.  NO other complaints tho...
    they pick you up at the airport, and return you there.
    
    deb
    
38.29Waiving CDW through DEC not always best to doDSSDEV::GIANATASSIOThu Apr 13 1989 16:2613
RE: .27

Waiving CDW through DECs corporate travel agreement with National and Avis may
not always be the best thing to do ...

I just talked with National Car Rental to add the DEC corporate ID to my
reservation so I could waive CDW. They said in order to do that I would have to
take the corporate rate. The corporate rate for the car I am renting was
$192/week (economy size) or $32/day. The non-corporate rate I received was
$99/week or $23/day. Even if I paid the CDW rate of $70 per week, I would still
come out ahead of the corporate rate. I'll look at my auto insurance policy or
credit card benifits instead. 

38.30Unlimited mileage?CSSE32::DUTKONestor Dutko, VMS/VAXclusters CSSESat Apr 15 1989 11:329
    Does anyone happen to know if the unlimited mileage policy changes if
    the rental return is not as te same place of pickup (Actually, its in
    another state...)?
    
    I called National, and they claimed the unlimited mileage was only in
    effect for local pickup/dropoff.
    
    Thanks in advance,
    -- Nestor
38.31What Exactly Is CDW???MUNKAD::VINZENZRAINBOW-100 continuedThu Apr 20 1989 10:0522
    I have been following the discussion about rental cars and CDW very
    closely, since I am about to make reservations for my trip now.
    
    Since this CDW thingy isn't very clear to me, maybe somebody in
    the know wouldn't mind explaining it to an ignorant foreigner.
    
    o  From the discussion I have the impression, that it's not a question
       of taking/not taking CDW.  The question seems to be, if you need
       to buy CDW from the rental car company or if you have it from
       somewhere else (like own insurance or company) and that covers
       the rental as well.  This would imply, that having CDW is a MUST.
    
    o  What exactly is CDW?  What's covered/not covered if I have/do
    not have CDW?
    
    
    Thanks in advance for any information.
    
    Vinzenz Esser
    Munich, Germany
    49 days and counting....
    
38.32Try AVISESASE::BENOBut I bought the last round!Thu Apr 20 1989 10:2412
Yes, National may be a problem.  I just received from Carol Surabian in 
corporate travel the Car Rental Profile Information booklet for National
and right at the end of the booklet is the following:

NOTE: CDW and other contract benefits may not apply to special promotional rates

I did not see the same disclaimer on the AVIS contract and a girl from our
office just booked an AVIS compact car in Orlando for a weekly rate of $115.
She then mentioned that she wanted this booked as a Digital Reservation
(not Digital rate) and ask if the CDW was then free.  AVIS then said that
it was.  Please contact Carol Surabian  Witnes::Surabian if you have problems
with AVIS not honouring the FREE CDW.
38.33Are you feeling lucky today?ESASE::BENOBut I bought the last round!Thu Apr 20 1989 12:419
re. (.31)
    
CDW stands for Collision Damage Waiver. Essentially if you do not take this
coverage and can't get it free through DEC, your insurance or credit cards
like the American Express Gold card, then you may be liable for the entire
cost of the car. I guess taking it or not depends on how lucky you feel.
But you get the definite impression when renting a car and declining it that
the car rental person is about to say "OK punk make my day".

38.34HBO::MADDENKeep your face to the sunshineThu Apr 20 1989 14:3512
RE: .31 and .33
    

You can also get it for free now with either of the American Express
cards - gold or green.  

I also believe most credit card companies are going to start picking 
up this practice from what I hear.  I think I remember getting some-
thing in the mail from Citibank that they will also cover the CDW 
when you use their Visa or Mastercard, but I'd check on that before
I'd bank on it - just to be sure.
38.35Avis pays!ESASE::BENOBut I bought the last round!Mon Apr 24 1989 16:2234
Note: Mike is the one who actually negotiated the contracts with National and
      Avis

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From:	NAME: MIKE POIRIER                  
	FUNC: CORP. PURCH./TRAVEL     
	TEL: 279-3167             <POIRIER.MIKE AT A1 at WITNES at PKO>

In the case of National, CDW is inclusive only in the Digital contract rate. If
a lower promotional rate is selected then the rentor is subject to the 
provisions and restrictions that come with the particular rate.

In the case of Avis, all contract provisions, including CDW, remain in force 
regardless of the rate selected.

1. At participating Avis locations in the U.S.A. CDW is included in the rate for
business and personal rentals. Avis is RESPONSIBLE for the COST OF DAMAGE to the
vehicle. 

2.  At non participating locations CDW is not included in the rate.

 a) For business rentals we recommend waiving CDW coverage. If damage occurs to 
    the vehicle, Avis will charge the employee and the employee will be 
    reimbursed by submitting an expense voucher.

 b) For personal rentals, CDW is a individual decision. The person renting the    
    car will be responsible for damage to the vehicle up to a maximum of $3000.  
    There is no reimbursment by Digital. You should check your personal auto 
    insurance and credit card program to see if collision damage is provided by 
    either of these. If so, you could waive CDW. If not, you may wish to 
    purchase CDW from Avis.

Regards,
Mike
38.36New Corporate Car Rental AgreementsINDMKT::GOLDBERGLen Goldberg...WDW-120Wed Jul 19 1989 21:21119
 The following is from Livewire, 7-Jul-89:

              New car rental rates for Avis and National
 
    New car rental rates in the U. S. for both Avis and National will be 
    in effect July 1, 1989, through December 31, 1990.  Although there has 
    been a reduction in some of the rates, a mileage cap has been put in 
    effect with both Avis and National.  The following is information 
    regarding the rates and insurance applicable to each agreement.
    
    Under the Avis and National agreements, Collision Damage Waiver is 
    provided free and should be declined for both business and personal 
    rentals at all locations.  Digital employees should also decline 
    Personal Accident Insurance on business rentals because the company 
    provides adequate medical coverage.  However, Personal Accident 
    Insurance may be considered on personal rentals.
    
    National now provides $1 million Liability Insurance coverage at all 
    locations.  Avis provides $1 million Liability Insurance coverage at 
    most locations.

    Employees who are retirees renting vehicles for personal use will now 
    be offered the rates, terms, and conditions of both the Avis and 
    National agreements.
    
    The age requirement for employees who rent vehicles from both Avis and 
    National is eighteen (18) years of age.  However, National will rent 
    to employees between the age of eighteen (18) and twenty-one (21) only 
    if they are on Digital business.
    
    Under the National Agreement, in order to obtain the free Collision 
    Damage Waiver and $1 million Liability Insurance, renters must pay the 
    Digital contracted rates.


                           AVIS -- Corp. I. D. #A126200
    
                                DAILY           WEEKLY          MONTHLY
    CAR GROUP                   RATE            RATE            RATE    
    
    A - Sub-compact             $30.00          $150.00         $540.00
    B - Compact                  32.00           160.00          576.00
    C - Intermediate             33.00           165.00          594.00
    D - Full size (2-door)       34.50           172.50          621.00
    E - Full size (4-door)       34.50           172.50          621.00
    F - Wagon                    39.50           197.50          711.00
    G - Premium                  48.50           242.50          873.00
    
    *     Mileage in excess of 125 free miles per day will be charged at 
          $.20 per mile.
    
    *     For inter-city (one-way) rentals, a mileage charge of $.20 per 
          mile will be added to the daily rate. 

    *     One-way mileage fees do not apply to rentals between the 
          following locations:
    
                Boston/Greater Maynard,MA/Southern New Hampshire
                Denver/Colorado Springs,CO
                San Francisco/San Jose, CA
    
    *     There will be an additional $6.00 per day surcharge at the 
          following rental locations:
    
                Manhattan, NY
                JFK Airport
                LaGuardia Airport
                Newark, NJ Airport
    
    *     In Alaska, a 10% discount to normal time and mileage rates apply.


        
                      National -- Corp. I.D. #5202000
    
                                DAILY           WEEKLY          MONTHLY
    CAR GROUP                   RATE            RATE            RATE   
    
    E - Economy                 $31.00          $155.00         $558.00
    M - Mid-size                 33.00           165.00          594.00
    F - Full-size                35.00           175.00          630.00
    P - Premium                  41.00           205.00          738.00
    Y - Mini Van                 41.00           205.00          738.00
    
    
    *     Mileage in excess of 100 free miles per day will be charged at 
          $.20 per mile.
    

    *     For inter-city (one-way) rentals, a mileage charge of $.20 per 
          mile will be added to the daily rate.  Drop-off charges will be 
          waived when the inter-city rental is authorized at the time of 
          rental.  For unauthorized inter-city rentals, a drop-off charge 
          of $.25 per mile (to the renting location) or $35.00, whichever 
          is less, shall apply.
    
    *     One-way mileage fees do not apply to rentals between the 
          following locations:
    
                Boston, MA/Worcester, MA/Manchester, NH
                San Francisco, CA/San Jose/CA
          
    *     There will be an additional $8.00 per day surcharge at the 
          following rental locations:
    
                Manhattan, NY            LaGuardia Airport
                JFK Airport              Newark, NJ Airport

    *     Discounted DEC rates are available to employees in Florida and 
          Hawaii.
    
    *     While promotional rates may be available at some National 
          rental locations, Digital's terms and conditions only apply to 
          the Digital rate.  Therefore, leisure travelers must pay the 
          Digital rate in order to have Collision Damage Waiver and $1 
          million Liability Insurance coverage.
    
    If you have any questions, please contact Beverly Habeeb at DTN 234-4142.

38.37National rental on WDW propertyCECV03::BOISVERTWed Jul 26 1989 16:5615
    I'm going down to WDW for the first two weeks in October.  I was
    wondering if anyone has rented from National on the Disney property.
    I'm only going to be needing a car for 1 or 2 days.  Do you need
    to make reservations in advance?  If you do, how far in advance?
    Also, is there a bus or something to take you to the rental agency
    from the Disney hotels?  
    
    I'd appreciate any info anyone has.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Donna
    67 days and counting!
    
        
38.38WEDOIT::BERUBEClaude G. BerubeWed Jul 26 1989 17:169
    Yes, I beleive you need to make reservations in advance.  I didn't seem
    to see to many car at the car care center when I went to pick up mine.
    The MKC will be  able  to  make the reservation for you or you can call
    National. 
    
    Note that in '87 DEC's discount was better than the MKC discount.
    
    Claude
38.39transportation to/from car care center?TLE::KARAMMon Aug 21 1989 13:036
    I have the same question as .37, is there any transportation to/from
    the Car Care Center from the hotels on Disney?  I can probably get this
    information from the National 800 number, but would be interested in
    first hand experiences.
    
    thanks - peter
38.40INDMKT::GOLDBERGTue Aug 22 1989 00:496
    re:  <<< Note 38.39 by TLE::KARAM >>>
        -< transportation to/from car care center? >-

    Yes, National has, (had in '87 anyway), a van that will pick you up at
    your hotel.  You just have to call the car care center and ask them to
    come fetch you.
38.41quick and simple for meCGOS01::DMARLOWENow serving #18. You have #73.Wed Aug 23 1989 04:596
    We were down there in July. Stayed at the Caribean Beach Resort.
    No problem. They try to get as close as they can to the time that
    you request although they may be a couple of minutes behind depending
    on where the shuttle bus is.
    
    dmm
38.42Car Renting in OrlandoDROPIT::BENHAMThu Oct 12 1989 12:367
    Has anyone gotten any cheap car rentals in Orlando?  If so, from what
    company?  I have called the 800 numbers for Budget, Avis, Hertz and
    have received some out of sight prices (ranging from 149 to 194 for a
    compact car).  Would I get a cheaper rate if I called directly to
    Orlando?  I need the car from Nov 21 thru 28.
    
    Thanks
38.43CHET::BEAUCHESNEThu Oct 12 1989 16:179
    
    	You may want to check out note 38 and its replies.  Our family
    	will be travelling down in Mid-December and the best rate we
    	found was with National using the Magic Kingdom Card.  I
    	believe we have to pay in full two weeks before renting.  The
    	price was around $69/week for a Chevy Cavalier.  You may have
    	to pay more because it'll be Thanksgiving week.
    
    	Moe (55 days and counting!)
38.44ATE012::BERUBEClaude G. BerubeThu Oct 12 1989 16:384
    Title has been changed to better reflect the subject matter, as well as
    aid directory searches.
    
    CLaude
38.45Auto Rental QuestionAKOV12::DOLANTue Oct 17 1989 14:428
    My husband, 4 year old daughter and I are planning to drive to WDW with
    a pop up trailer in about a year from now and are curious if anyone out 
    there knew of any rental company that would rent a vehicle with a
    trailer hitch.  We've called around and can't find anyone who does.    
    Any help would be appreciated.
    
    Thanks
     
38.46Value Rent A CarUSCTR2::TOMYLJoel R. Tomyl DTN 297-4282Sun Oct 29 1989 00:5198
    Here is my experience with Value Rent A Car during my trip, October
    14 - 23, 1989.
    
    I have used this agency before and they have always been reasonable
    with the cars and rates.  One one trip they didn't have a chevy
    sprint and I ended up with an IROC Z-28 during spring break week.
    Same price of $69 for the week and unlimited mileage.  

    Summary:  In Orlando, Value Rent a Car was bad.  Do not use them.
    The staff was not efficent and they were rude and unresponsive to
    my problems.  I will be writing a letter to them and when I receive 
    my repsonse from them, I will post it and change my recommendation if 
    they make good.
        
    The Events:
    
    The courtesy van from the airport took the better part of half an hour
    to get to the terminal.  After pick up at terminal A, the driver
    procedded to terminal B.  He had calls from base asking him if he had
    passangers. The driver responded Yes.  The question and answers went
    back and forth like this for 3 times.  Finally I told him to respond
    10-4. The driver did and he was then chastised from base for having
    passangers and then proceeding to terminal B instead of base.  The
    driver then proceeded to base. 
    
    When the van arrived, there were about 8 groups of people wating
    in the building.  They had run out of cars.  Great!  So they drove
    us to our hotels.  This was delayed due to the driver not knowing
    where hotels were located and people having the wrong names of the
    hotels.  I arrived about 9:30 and didn't get into the hotel until
    12:30am.
    
    The next morning I called at 9:00am to have them pick me up.  They told
    me 45 minutes to an hour.  Ok.  At 10:15 I called back asking where the
    van was.  They told me that one would be they in about 30 minutes.  At
    11:00 I called back again since no van showed up. They told me that the
    van stopped at my hotel, went to the front desk and that the hotel
    didn't have me as a guest.  I told them that they had gone to tthe
    wrong hotel because I was waiting in the lobby the whole time and the
    van never showed.  They said that they would send one out immediately.
    I was finally picked up at noon. 
    
    When I got to the agency, I asked them how they would compensate
    me for the fact that they didn't have car and that I effectively
    had lost 2 days.  The agent said, "Nothing, you're getting a car
    for 8 days."  I said, "But that's the rest of the time I'm here,
    that's no discount." "But sir, you're getting a $175 car for $88
    for a weeks rate" "Wait a second, my written confirmation shows
    $62.95 for a weekly rate"  "Sir, the computer show  $88" "It's wrong."
    "Sorry sir, I can't change the computer."  "Can I speak to the
    Manager?"  "He's not in."  "Can I speak to the person in charge?"
     "I'm the assistant manager,"  "I don't believe this, my garanteed
    rate says $62.95" "Excuse me."
    
    The assistant manager disappeared into the office and re-emerged
    several minutes later.  He then asked for the next person in line
    and started to help another customer.  At this point I was really
    pissed off.  I tapped my fingers on the counter and said, "What
    am I , chopped liver?"  The person who was at the next station started
    to wait on me.  I asked about some sort of compensation for all
    of the hassles and them not having the car ready when I arrived.
     He said that the assistant manager would have to handle that. 
    I told him to just get me a car and tell me where I could make a
    complaint.  He gave me the toll number for the company's main office
    in Deerfield Beach, Florida.  I asked him for the name of the assistant
    manager who wasn't wearing any sort of name tag to denote his name
    or rank with the company.  The person told me and I asked him for
    his name and the store number.  He gave me that information.
    
    I finally got my car.  A blue Ford Escort XL with massive scratches
    on the hood and a ding in the rear passanger side door.  I then
    went back into the building and tried to get a person but had to
    get back in line behind several people.  When I got the the counter
    the new girl told me not to worry.  I said, "With the way my vacation
    had been going so far, I wanted it noted on my contract."  She put
    it on my contract.  The one positive aspect is that they didn't
    give me a hard time about declining insurance.  It's now after 1
    and I finally am on the road.
    
    Cut to October 23, return day.  I arrive at the agency 1 hour and
    15 minutes before my flight leaves.  I get in line and get to the
    counter.  But, before I get there, the guy who took my car comes
    in and announces that there's a dent in the car.  Great.  I get
    to the counter and tell the agent that it's noted on my contract.
    Good thing I insisted on the damage being put on the contract. 
    I get all of that squared away and then again, I wait for a van.
    I was dopped off at my terminal 25 minutes before my flight is due
    to leave.
    
    What an expereince this trip turned out to be.
    Overall, this experience was bad.  I am currently working with my
    travel agency (who appologized numerous times for the problems and
    will be giving me $39 credit on my next trip for the inconvenience
    and will make up the difference of the contracted amount and actual
    amount.) to resolve the rent a car problems.  I will also be writing
    to Value to find out why I received such poor service and no
    compensation when they caused my problems.
    
38.47The Latest?SSDEVO::RENNICKSun Oct 29 1989 19:3615
    Called the 1-800-CAR-RENT number given on the MKC card. "Torrie"
    answered.  Gave her these particulars: want the car at WDW early
    morning, want to drop it off at Ft. Myers 5 days later,tell me
    which is my lowest rate - Digital Corporate ID #5202000, AAA,
    MKC, other.
    
    Answer was - Digital $28/day unlimited mileage, no dropoff charge,
    all insurance covered under Digital contract.  To be picked up
    at Disney Inn and taken to the car at the Disney Car Care Center,
    just call 824-3470.
    
    Sound right?
    
    Bob
    
38.48Small claims court?SIMUL::WIEDEMANMon Oct 30 1989 12:5614
reply to 38.36

I got steamed just reading your note...

Is it possible to file in the Orlnado small calims court?

Also, I have always had good luck in contacting the
state attorney general's office with these type of problems.
Maybe it would help to write a letter to the Florida
state attorney general's office and the state tourist bureau.
Sometimes they have legal action pending on these types
of bait and switch scams.


38.49SIMUL::WIEDEMANMon Oct 30 1989 13:001
The previous reply was for 38.46, not .36.
38.50Alamo, almost as bad!USCTR2::HEDETue Oct 31 1989 21:5114
    
    Let's blast another car rental agency!
    
    While Joel was having fun with Value, I was over fighting with Alamo.
    They were almost as bad.  It took four bus-loads of people before
    they took us out of the airport to their headquarters.  I wound
    up in line for about an hour and a half.  Total time spent renting
    a car, over three hours!  Some hassle about not taking the 12.95
    a day CDW.  I dropped it off three hours early, just to be sure!
    They hassled me for being late even though I was a day early! 
    VERY VERY rude people!
    
    Next time - NO rental car!  It's not worth the hassle!
    
38.51Info on MAJORSHRBIZ::NELSONTryin to keep the customer satisfiedThu Jan 04 1990 18:029
    
    	Anybody had any dealing(s) with MAJOR car rental ???
    
    	I called the American Express Travel folks (DEC's Travel
    Agency I guess), and the lady I spoke with recommended MAJOR
    for the best weekly rate, and she chose them over a few other
    agencies at the Orlando airport.
    
    	Feedback anyone ???????
38.52Major seems competitive...EBISVX::BATORThu Jan 04 1990 20:3111
    I have reserved a car for 10 days in March. I was going with
    Major until I found a lower rate.  There are about 15 companies
    renting cars. The lowest rate AT the airport was 
    	Superior  $88/wk + 21/day == $152   10 days
    
    The best rates OFF airport are:
    
    	Major   $146  10 days
       Rent Right $136  10 days   (I chose this on the basis of $)
    
    my .02
38.53Car rental companies at the AMTRAK station?SIMUL::WIEDEMANFri Jan 12 1990 12:296
Does anyone know what car rental companies are located at, or service the
Amtrak station in Orlando?

thanks,

Doug
38.54I NEED IT BAD........NEST::DABYThu Feb 01 1990 16:525
    I AM TRAVELING TO ORLANDO IN MARCH, AND I HAVE A CAR RESERVED WITH
    SUPERIOR.  I UNDERSTAND THEIR OFFICE IS NOT AT THE AIRPORT, AND
    YOU HAVE TO TAKE A SHUTTLE TO THE LOCATION.  HAS ANYONE USED SUPERIOR
    IN THE PAST AND WAS THERE ANY PROBLEMS,EX. HOW LONG TO WAIT FOR
    SHUTTLE, ANY HASSLES GETTING YOUR CAR, ECT......
38.55Just How Bad ?????WJOUSM::HIGGINSFri Feb 02 1990 14:2311
    
    Re: .54
    
      The last couple of times I've rented, I have rented from agencies
     that are off site. Most major agencies have shuttles that run between
     the airport and their lots. The frequency is generally every 10-15
     minutes. I haven't yet had a problem with one of them and would use
     one again if they had the cheapest rate. For your own sake I would
     call Superior to check out their shuttle schedule.
    
    George
38.56Superior at AirportASABET::KUMPELIf you first fail,follow instructionsFri Feb 02 1990 15:576
    Re:54
    
    On my last trip in August Superior was at the airport. Their drop off
    was right next to National in the parking garage.
    
    Bill Kumpel 
38.57VALUE services AMTRAKUSMFG::MOUELLETTEWed Feb 28 1990 11:3912
    
    Re: - .53
    
    I took AMTARK a while back and used VALUE rent a car. I called a
    number when I arrived in Orlando and someone from VALUE came and
    got us. They brought us to their office where I got the car. They
    also brought us back to the station when we left.
    
    Hope this late response helps.
    
    Mike
    
38.58Car seat questionsMVCAD3::CERRONEThu Apr 26 1990 02:366
    Does anyone know the details of the child restraint law in Florida.
    My son is 2 1/2 and weighs 36 lbs.  Does he need a car seat or can he
    use the adult seat belts?
    
    Thanks,
    Judy
38.59Car seatsWOTVAX::KAYRThu Apr 26 1990 08:374
  I have just returned from Florida with my 2 year old. You definitely need 
  a car seat.
  
  Robin Kay@OLO
38.60TLE::FELDMANDigital Designs with PDFFri May 04 1990 17:0816
This is really in response to notes 30.48-30.58, but it doesn't make sense
to hide car rental info under First Timer note, when there's a perfectly
good car rental note.  

The first time I called Avis I was given a quote of $311 for a Cavalier for
10 days.  This is actually out of West Palm Beach, but I suspect the rates
are essentially the same throughout Florida.  I called again, and gave my
DEC ID, and was given a rate of $264, with 125 free miles/day (total of 1250
free miles).  This is consistent with the numbers for the DEC contract as
posted in VTX.  

Do I need to keep trying to get a cheaper rate?  Given that my reaction to
the $311 price was to say goodbye, I don't understand why they'd even bother
quoting high rates instead of low rates; they'll just lose customers.

   Gary
38.61Keep CallingSENIOR::GOLDBERGFri May 04 1990 17:1915
    When we went last November I also rented from Avis in West Palm.  I was
    originally quoted an OK rate for a mid-size.  Not the cheapest, but
    better that National and Hertz.  (I only trust the major majors when it
    comes to car rental.)

    Since none of the rental outfits confirm rates way in advance I called
    Avis a few weeks before the trip to make sure the rate I had been
    quoted was still valid.  The agent said, "Well Mr. Goldberg, I see a
    cheaper rate, so I'll confirm that for you."

    The moral is to keep calling, and see if they can do better the the
    original quote.

    BTW, the large companies do not usually impose one-way charges within
    Florida.
38.62RUTILE::WYNFORDCaptain Loon: Stardate GibbleMon May 07 1990 12:0716
Re: .60

>DEC ID, and was given a rate of $264, with 125 free miles/day (total of 1250

I would suspect that those "free" miles would get eaten up pretty quickly
in the Orlando area.

Last year I rented from General. Low rates and unlimited mileage. They're
off-airport, but the shuttle service is rapid and frequent. I had no problems
with the car, either. You might try Thrifty as well.

In general, if travelling for pleasure, I avoid Avis and Hertz; their rates,
even with discounts, are geared to corporate expense accounts not Joe Public's
wallet.

Gavin
38.63You gotta play the game!!!TALLIS::JOHNSONPhil Johnson DTN 226-6509Mon May 07 1990 14:2516
    I am in Florida many times throughout the year and I consider myself
    almost an expert at the "rental car game", and it is a game.  I never
    use the major car rental companies (Hertz and Avis).  They are aimed at
    the corporate user and are quite expensive.  Value is consistantly the
    best price wise, followed by Alamo.  With summer comming up the rates
    will drop radically.  I was done in the Orlando area 2 weeks ago and
    got Escort 4 door (from Value), unlimited mileage for $84 /week.  After
    memorial day the same car will usually drop to the $50 /week range.  
    
    If anyone is interested in how to play the "game" I'll be happy to fill
    you in.
    
    Phil
    
    P.S. I have never gotten stung by any car rental company, big or small. 
    Inconvenienced maybe (the worst was Avis) but never stung....
38.64TLE::FELDMANDigital Designs with PDFMon May 07 1990 16:0042
re: .63

Be careful comparing prices.  The $264 I quoted was for a "compact," as opposed
to the subcompact class that includes Ford Escorts.  The price difference,
at least at the big chains, between subcompacts and compacts is substatial.  I'm
also hurt by my 10-day rental requirement.  I get 7 days at the weekly rate, but
then have to pay for 3 days at the daily rate, which is significantly higer.
I still expect the big three to be more expensive, but not as dramatically.

If I really wanted to play the game, I wouldn't even bother with Value.  The
best deals and best service are from the independents.  My most pleasurable
renting experience, and cheapest, was from a private company in West Palm
Beach that was able to rent me a reliable, well-designed car (a 4-door Nissan
Sentra), instead of the junk that passes for engineering at the chains
(i. e., any compact made by a U. S. manufacturer).  Give me a car where I can
direct the air conditioning where I want it, where the controls aren't
disguised, and where even the compacts have remote trunk releases.  Give me
personal service, where someone from the rental company meets me at the baggage
claim area; no waiting for a limo to take me to an office where I have to
wait again on line.

But for reasons beyond my control, I'm limiting myself to agencies that have
counters and lots at the airport, which means Avis, National, and maybe
Budget (I don't care for Hertz).  Maybe next time.

Don't even mention Alamo to me.  Their rates are a come-on, and they have the
worst customer satisfaction ratings (according to Consumer Reports) in the
business, although they're trying to clean up their act.  All that nonsense
about how you have to buy a half-tank of gas from them (no choice), and you get
no credit for any gas left in the car when you return it.  The one time I rented
from them (before I knew their reputation), the agent tried three times to talk
me into a bigger car, saying that the economy-priced car didn't have power
steering.  She couldn't seem to understand that my own car didn't have power
steering, so it wasn't a hardship for me.

re: .62

That was 125 miles/day, not 125 miles total.  Let's see, if it's about
6 miles from the CBR to the MK, I could make about ten round trips before
using up my mileage.  I'm not worried.

   Gary
38.65 But then again,......FDCV06::GRUBBSTue May 08 1990 02:1537
    
    
    	let me add a new twist, as concerns age.....
    
    	Being only a meager 23, I can get socked in two ways.  One, some
    companies I can't EVEN think about renting a car, gotta be 25 or some
    $1500 credit line to put down on the car when you rent.  TWO, I get
    charged at most places for being in the male, 21-25 range from extra 6
    - 10 dollars a day.
    
    	I'd say based on the hassle I have to go through without the
    Digital rate, it provides me the best umbrella to get a decent Avis
    rate, be ABLE to rent a car, and get some CDW thrown in....
    
    	I'm still a little skeptical of credit card CDW coverages that say
    in the small print, something about having to get a temporary credit
    hike because the rental company puts the charge on the card till the 
    matter is settled.  As for my own personal insurance, God forbid something
    happens that causes me to have to make a claim on it!  I could just see
    myself bump right on up to a high risk category, with my head still
    spinning,  And all to save $60 on renting a vacation car......
    
    	I think in my case the one chance that something will happen (and
    the associated after costs..) dictates the need for CDW.  The Digital
    Avis rate just so happens to allow me to get it at best cost, with no 
    age charges tacked on. 
    
	Circumstances seem to dictate how you play the game.  My Dad has
    been renting thinking he's covered becasue of credit card on his
    business trips.  After doing a little checking he's back to getting the
    insurance.  Here again if it's a no fault type CDW (it's the rental
    companies problem as long as you bought insurance) that may make the
    cost worthwhile to some folks.
    
    	Oh, DAD works for a University so they don't have a negotiated
    rate.  No reason for him to have to skimp on covering himself.
    
38.66Rent Right == Wrong Choice!EDSAIC::BATORFri May 11 1990 00:0610
    (better late than....)   WHen I arrived in Orlando in March and
    called up Rent-Right, I was informed by the person answering
    the phone, that they had gone out of business a few days earlier!
    
    The on-airport agencies were (1) expensive, (2) out of cars; so
    I started calling and had good luck with Value. They have a
    free van that goes from airport to agency and back. They are only
    5 minutes away. (as are others). I got an Escort for $84 a week
    with no advance reservation. They seemed to have lots of cars.
    
38.67MAJOR was a bustSHRBIZ::NELSONTryin to keep the customer satisfiedFri Jun 08 1990 19:3522
    
    	In reply to my own entry at .51
    
    	I did reserve a mini-van from Major for our stay
        (7 days) over the Memorial Day week. Big Mistake !!!
    
    	This was the only gliche we encountered in our entire
    	week in Florida. Upon arrival, and baggage claim, I went 
    	to the phone table for Car rental agencies expecting to
    	ring Major's shuttle and go pick up the car. There was no
    	number for Major, so I picked up the phone book and called
    	all three of their Orlando numbers, along with a fourth the
    	information operator gave me, all 'temporarily disconnected'.
    
    	At this point, one of the skycaps mentioned he thought Major
    	was no longer in business in the Orlando area.
    
    	We ended up at Payless right at the airport, and got a
    	mini-van from them for $15 additional for the week... and
    	I was not given any grief about not taking the Collision
        Insurance.
    	
38.68rental help neededFDCV07::CAMPBELLMon Jul 09 1990 18:1010
    Has anyone rented or reserved a car recently at Orlando airport?
    I want a compact or midsize car for 19 days.  In calling Avis they
    wanted $410.00.  National wants $169 minus 10% off for MKC or AAA
    discount per week so about $153.00.  These seem high for a weekly
    rate.  I know last year I got a great deal for $160.00 for two weeks.
    I want to rent from an agency with a booth in the airport, so I know
    that leaves out a bunch of the cheaper ones.  Any information would
    be appreicated.
    
    
38.69TECRUS::JIMJim PappasFri Jul 13 1990 03:2112
        During my trip to WDW in June/July, I used AVIS when renting a
        car.  I called all the major companies and the best price I
        could get for a 6 passenger car was from AVIS using the AAA
        rate of $111/week.  Using the DEC recap number adds free CDW.

        They did not have any 6 passenger mid size calls available so
        I got a free upgrade to a full sized Oldsmobile Cutlass Cierra
        with full power accessories.  I was happy with the car and the
        price.

        /Jim Pappas
    
38.70SUPERIOR CAR RENTAL 800#PARITY::DASCOLIMon Jul 23 1990 16:363
    
    DOES ANYONE KNOW THE 800 # FOR SUPERIOR CAR RENTAL.
    
38.71MAMTS3::JAMESMon Jul 23 1990 17:033
    re.70
    
    try calling the 800# operator at 1-800-555-1212
38.72Florida raises Car rental taxSIMUL::WIEDEMANWed Aug 01 1990 17:303
The state of Fla has raised it's rental car tax from $.50/day to 
$2.00/day eff in July 90. Nothing like a 400% increase! Love those
politicians.
38.73Fall of 1990 pricesHPSTEK::RITCHIEElaine Kokernak RitchieMon Sep 17 1990 17:0125
    My husband and I are going to be in the Orlando/St. Cloud area over
    Columbus Day weekend this year, so I've been reading this topic to see
    what we should do about rental cars.  All I can say is the rates must
    be cheaper in the Fall.  Most weekly rates quoted are between $85 and
    $99, with the cheapest being Value at $68.
    
    That new $2 tax makes quite a difference in the rental.  $14 a week.
    
    A bit of advice: when you call to check rental rates, be sure to ask
    for the additional charges.  All the agencies add this $2 surcharge,
    and all seem to add 6% sales tax.  Some also add an "airport access
    charge".  The ones I've called are either 6% or 8%.   Be sure to
    compare the total charges and not just the quoted weekly rate.  A lower
    fare with this extra fee might not be your best rate.
    
    We are flying into Melbourne, but I'm not sure if that makes much
    difference.  The reasons for choosing that airport make a long story.
    
    Oh, and we always rent one size smaller than we really want.  We are 
    frequently upgraded one or two classes, especially in a busy rental market
    like Orlando.
    
    Thanks for all your advice.
    
    Elaine
38.74Nix on SuperiorHPSTEK::RITCHIEElaine Kokernak RitchieThu Sep 20 1990 13:016
    re: .70 and .71
    
    I just called.  There is no 800 number for Superior Car Rental.  Does
    anyone know a local Florida number for them?
    
    Elaine
38.76been there; done that!XNOGOV::KARENwhen you wish upon a star...Thu Oct 11 1990 13:4612
    I sympathise with you!  We experienced Lindo's in Orlando both ways
    when we were there earlier this year.  And it's certainly not an
    experience to be recommended!
    
    It took us a very long time to deposit the car and get back to the
    airport and we were sweating a bit I can tell you.  The bus we were on
    was only about a twelve seater and it was a nightmare getting onto it.
    I did notice the plastic bucket and the notice :-) 
    
    Regards,
    
    Karen
38.77Stir, stir...EICMFG::WJONESGhengis Loon (PR As You Conquer)Tue Oct 23 1990 16:427
Re: .75

You've obviously not seen Ron Glover's memo...   :-)

Don't worry, the mods'll get you.

Gavin
38.75Lindo's rent a carAIMHI::JUTRASThu Oct 25 1990 18:0362
================================================================================
Note 38.75                Car Rental Agencies - Orlando                 75 of 77
AIMHI::JUTRAS                                        56 lines  11-OCT-1990 10:03
                      -< Down with LINDO"S rent a car!!! >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Let me relate to you all a very bad experience I recently had
    with Lindo's rent a car in Orlando.  I have rented many a cars on
    trips to various places and never have I encountered anyting like this
    in my life.  We flew into Ft. Myers and were met at the airport by
    someone from the agency.  He brought us to the rental office a few
    miles away and we were given a chevy minivan as a rental.  Other than
    having to leave a $650 deposit on my credit card and having to sign
    about four /five waiver forms to intimidate me into taking the
    collision damage waiver everything went smooth.  The thing with the
    credit card though is that you have to have that much credit available
    and then this eats up $650 of your available credit.  I used my
    American Express to avoid this.  Now to get to the Orlando nightmare.
    We spent the first part of our trip in Sanibel/Captiva islands and
    eventually headed to Disneyworld (Trip report in the works).  When all
    was over and it was time to return the car we headed for the Lindo's
    office.  When we approached what appreared to be a bus terminal it was
    actually the rental office.  Now when we picked up the car in Ft. Myers
    the office was in a Ramada Inn hotel and there were only two counter
    people.  The office in Orlando much have had at least 200 employees and
    the most confusion I have every encountered.  When you pull the car in
    there are 4 people waiting to literally pull you out of the car along
    with your luggage.  All if which is then deposited in the parking lot
    and you are on your own.  Now you are about 4 miles from the airport
    and you are hot, confused and starting to get a little bit P.O.'d.
    All the people who are returning cars and are waiting for a lift to the
    airport stand in front of the building and get this, wait for a bus
    similar to a greyhound bus, but a 1950's version to take you to the
    airport.  Now picture this.  Here are 100's of hot tired and angry
    people with all their luggage waiting to jump on the first available
    bus.  Have any of you every been on a Boston or NY subway at rush hour.
    This was a similar experience.  My wife and I had all we could do to
    keep our luggage together and not lose each other.  We litterally had
    to fight our way onto the bus.  Once on the bus the driver hears me say
    something about getting to the airport on time (we had figured that
    dropping the car of at least 1 hour before our flight would give us
    plenty of time).  We had already wasting 40 of them trying to figure
    out how to get out of that mass confusion.  The driver looks at me and
    says,"I ain't going to the airport."  Well not I am about ready to
    explode with anger.  Then he laughs and says, "I am only kidding!"
    Oh! I forgot to mention that noone in the return office is willing to
    help you either.  Once your drop the car off they don't care.  When I
    consistently asked how I got to the airport from the office I was
    verrry rudely told to wait out side for a ride.  Getting back to
    the bus ride to the airport.  The bus has no airconditioning.  It
    rattles all the way to the airport.  When the driver has to shift the
    gears after excrutiating sound from gears being grinded it finally pops
    into place and the bus shakes so that you thing the transmission is
    about to fall out.  All you keep thinking is "Is this bucket of bolts
    going to make it to the airport in one piece?"   Well we finally do
    with out 10 minutes to check our bags and board the plane.  The icing
    on the cake was the plastic basket taped to the dash.  It had a sign
    stating that tipping is customary in the U.S.!  I was thankful that I
    was only dropping of my car there.  If I had to begin my vacation with
    an episode like that it would have taken the first few days just to
    recover from the experience.
    
    
38.78there has to be a wayHPSTEK::RHUFFFri Oct 26 1990 11:509
    There has to be a way to report bad rental agencies to each other
    without going against Ron Glover's memo.  I found that information
    very useful as I am about to make my first trip to Florida and might
    have chosen L*ndo if it wasn't for that great advice.  Maybe we'll
    have to start adding notes which state bad rental agency, call me
    if interested.
    
    						Rodney Huff
    
38.79a moderators replyATE012::BERUBECalling Dick Tracy...Fri Oct 26 1990 12:4428
    Rep to <<< Note 38.78 by HPSTEK::RHUFF >>>

>    There has to be a way to report bad rental agencies to each other
>    without going against Ron Glover's memo.  
    
    Rodney,
    
    Obviously you  are  referring  to  the updated reply in .75 and the new
    policy I placed  yesterday in 1.4.  If you look closely at the new .75,
    you'll  notice  that  only  the first 2  sentences  which  basicly  was
    advocating a BOYCOTT type of action, was removed  and  rephrased with a
    Let me relate a bad experience...
    
    The rest of the reply was unchanged.

    The only problem we  mod's  had  with it was the first 2 sentences, the
    rest we felt comfortable with  since  it  related a personal experience
    and stuck to the facts.
        
    As I stated in 1.4, we  the  mods  don't  mind  reviews as long as they
    state  the  FACTS  based  on a firsthand personal experience and  don't
    advocate any actions against  said  individual/business,  don't contain
    libelious  statements  etc.    We  haven't  outlawed  bad  reviews  all
    together,  just    those    that    selicite  an  action  against  said
    individual/business or contain  language in a manner that may bring the
    author/Digital/Moderators into a legal action.
    
    Claude
38.80EICMFG::WJONESGhengis Loon (PR As You Conquer)Fri Oct 26 1990 15:0227
As the person who may have triggered Claude's action, and a mod of another
conference, let me throw this in...

>    There has to be a way to report bad rental agencies to each other
>    without going against Ron Glover's memo.  
    
A bad experience as reported in the offending note is a one-off. There is no
way of knowing if the circumstances were normal or exceptional. To relate the
bad experience, even without comment, could be detrimental. It might be, for
example, that there was a staff shortage on the day concerned and the noter
happened to get there at the end of a very tiring shift for the rental
company's employees. As a mod, I would still be unhappy with such notes. 

I have a note in this same topic concerning Dollar; the information in there is
from an external source and is not complimentary to Dollar. However, the
distinction between the two notes is that mine reports a factual situation
(Dollar holds the renter 100% responsible for the car and the renter can end
up with a big bill in the event of a write-off) whereas the other note reports
a subjective situation (the rental agency was in chaos). Obviously, I stand by
my note... :-)

Personally, I would prefer *recommendations* of agencies, hotels etc.. The
Orlando area has such a large selection at all prices that it is easier, and
nicer, to select from companies that have given good service than to simply
eliminate companies from a list because of a one-off bad experience. 

Gavin
38.81A suggestion for entriesIAMOK::BANCROFTFri Oct 26 1990 15:489
    The difference between SLANDER and expressing a personal opinion and
    experience, seems to be in the phrasing.
    Preface "It is my personal opinion that ----- is unacceptable"
    Body "This is my personal experience, and I cannot say if it is a
    general situation or an unusual happening" 
    
    THEN it 10 people reply with similar stories, we can draw OUR OWN
    conclusions about the reliability of the company.
    HOW DOES THAT SOUND?  Phil
38.82ATE012::BERUBECalling Dick Tracy...Fri Oct 26 1990 16:3025
    MODERATOR HAT ON
    
    OK folks, One last comment on  this  strimg,  then  it time to put this
    string to bed, and get back to  the  topic  Please,  that  is  reviews,
    questions etc on Car Rental Agencies.
    
    We are not puting a  stop  to  negative  reviews, just asking you to be
    careful as to what you type, suggest etc.,  Look  at  the policy in 1.4
    it's  pretty  flexible as far as being able to  place  a  review  which
    expresses your own bad experience.  As long as you relate your personal
    experience and don't advocate an action which can be deemed detrimental
    to that individual/business, than by  all  means  us  other noters will
    have something to base our decisions when we plan our next vacation.

    If someone should ask for info  on  a  individual/business and you have
    nothing good to say about said individual/business, all  we ask is that
    you convey that info as suggested in the above  paragraph  or find some
    other way to let the author know (like a phone).
    
    MODERATOR HAT OFF
    
    Now let get back to the topic of Car Rental Agencies, I need to plan my
    next trip ;^)
    
    Claude
38.83NITMOI::WITHERSAnother Hallmark Moment. -Al BundyFri Nov 02 1990 15:2922
    RE: .80
    
    >There is no
    >way of knowing if the circumstances were normal or exceptional.
    
    I have to agree with this, a personal experience:
    
    I was in Florida and flying out early on Sunday (7:25 take-off).  I
    asked my hotel if they could send someone for our bags early (5:45) and
    they said fine...just call twenty minutes before.  I called thirty
    minutes before on the Sunday and waited...and waited...we moved all our
    bags to the parking lot and locked the room with the keys inside
    (express check-out)...and waited... At 6:20 when no one showed I made
    my way to a public phone at a laundry room and called and someone came
    down to get us.  Twice buses had stopped and refused to drop us where
    our limo was going to pick us up.  So we arrived at 6:35 to catch a
    6:00 limo and the company at fault?
    
    None other than Walt Disney World's own Caribean Beach Resort.
    
    George
    
38.84no shuttles pleaseRELOS2::DEMBAMon Jan 14 1991 16:278
    Do you need to take a shuttle to get and drop off vehicles for
    AVIS or NATIONAL at Orlando airport? 
    
    I am interested in a rental agency that has vehicles close enough to the 
    airport that there is no need to take a shuttle ride to and from the 
    vehicle.
    
    	thanks.
38.85No shuttle for AvisLAVETA::J_PARSONSGeorge Stark: Not A Very Nice GuyMon Jan 14 1991 17:382
    Can't say for sure about National, but no shuttle is necessary for
    Avis. 
38.862 Questions?RHODES::NEWFELLWed Jan 16 1991 14:309
    I am going down to WDW in April.  I have 2 questions.  First, I
    am renting from National part of my WDW Travel Plan, do I have to
    take the extra waiver insurance that so many rental car places make
    you take?  Also, is National right in the airport terminal, so I
    can avoid taking a shuttle bus to the rental place.
    
    Thanks
    
    CR (Who has only 14 weeks to go!)
38.87National is at the terminalTARKIN::BOUTOTTEThu Jan 17 1991 11:543
    National is right at the airport terminal and there is no need
    for a shuttle bus to get you to or from your car.
    
38.88Getting to the Rental CountersBIZNIS::ABELOWDAVIDThu Jan 17 1991 17:154
    Whatever you do at the airport, DON'T TAKE THE ESCALATORS TO GET TO THE
    RENTAL COUNTERS.  These escalators seem to go one level lower than
    where the rental counters are.  The only way I could seem to get to the
    level where the counters are was via the elevators!
38.89HEURIS::DEMBAMon Jan 28 1991 12:534
    I found that Budget and Payless also share the space in the rental car
    garage with Avis and National. The previous noter is correct about
    the elevators being the only means to get from the ground level back
    to the rental counters.
38.90Avis Only for Digital RentalsFDCV06::GOLDBERGLen, I'm a friend of Walt D.Mon Mar 04 1991 12:5939
    [It appears that while National is still the offical car rental company
     of Walt Disney World and Disneyland, it is no longer an offical car
     rental company of Digital.  The following is from Livewire.]
    
    
         AVIS now exclusive car rental supplier to Digital in U.S.

  Effective Friday, 01-March 1991, AVIS Rent A Car will be the exclusive car
  rental supplier to Digital in the U.S.  No other car rental company should 
  be used.  National Car Rental rates and One Trip Travel Orders will become 
  invalid as of 01-March.

  The new cost savings features of the car rental program include:

  * UNLIMITED MILEAGE RATE OF $31.00 per day on rentals picked up and dropped 
    off at same location.

  * LOSS DAMAGE WAIVER (previously Collision Damage Waiver) included on all 
    AVIS rates (busines or personal).  Do not accept Loss Damage Waiver -- 
    this is not reimburseable. 

  * PREFERRRED RENTER PROGRAM will be made available to Digital Corporate 
    Card Holders (American Express or Diners Club). This is a significant 
    service enhancement for travelers, and the $50.00 annual Preferred Renter 
    fee has been waived for Digital Corporate Card Travelers.

  * UNLIMITED MILEAGE RATES DO APPLY on ONE WAY RENTALS between the following 
    cities:
    o Boston/Southern New Hampshire and suburbs within the Greater Maynard-
      Marlboro areas;
    o San Francisco and San Jose;
    o Denver and Colorado Springs.

  All car reservations must be made by the American Express office (or other 
  designated travel agency) servicing your facility to guarantee that the 
  lowest AVIS rate is applied to your rental.  Your support of Digital's 
  car rental program will reduce the company's business travel expenditures.

  Access VTX TRAVEL for further rate information and program details.
38.91Collision Damage WaiverTECRUS::JIMJim PappasThu Jul 04 1991 23:2156
        Here are some personal observations on Collision Damage
        Waiver:

        First, it is extremely expensive (often a 50% price increase
        over the rental).  However, if you do some advance checking
        and/or planning, there should be almost no reason to buy
        optional CDW.

        If you are a Mass resident and you get your insurance through
        Metpay, then your personal automobile insurance carries over
        to your rental providing your normally covered automobile is
        not being used at home by anyone else.  Currently, the
        comprehensive does not transfer over to the rental and this
        could be a real problem if your rental car is vandalized,
        stolen, or catches fire.  However, effective August 10, 1991
        (in Massachusetts w/ Metpay) the comprehensive will carry over
        and this will no longer be a problem.  I would recommend
        checking with your insurance agent to check the amount of your
        coverage prior to your trip.  I'm sure that other states and
        other insurance companies offer similar service but check your
        specific policy to be sure.

        Many credit cards (especially gold cards) provide free CDW
        providing you charge the entire rental to the card.  However
        there are a few things to watch out for.  First of all, AMEX
        does cover CDW but if you have a AMEX "Corporate" card through
        DEC, they do not provide free CDW.  Secondly, check your
        credit card contract if you are renting anything but a plain
        car.  For example for all of my cards, minivans are explicitly
        excluded except for Dodge Caravan, Plymouth Voyager, Mazda
        MPV, or VW Vanagon.  I guess the other minivans are considered
        trucks which are not covered.  You could find yourself in
        trouble if you rent a minivan, get a Ford Aerostar, and waive
        the CDW thinking that your Gold Visa will cover it.  The same
        holds if you rent other types of vehicles such as trucks,
        campers, classic cars, or expensive cars such as Mercedes,
        Jaguar, Corvette etc.

        You currently get free CDW through AVIS for personal rentals
        provided the corporate number (A126200) is listed in the
        contract.   Avis is providing the coverage, not DEC.  Check
        this prior to your trip since the DEC/AVIS contract is
        re-negotiated periodically.  You supposedly could use any
        rate available (even promotional rates) and still get the free
        CDW providing that you list the corporate number in the
        agreement.  In practice, I have been unable to get a
        reservation clerk to give me a promotional rate AND list the
        corporate number in the contract.  Since I use the free CDW
        from my credit card, I really haven't tried to hard.

        Finally I have heard of people who buy the optional CDW even
        though they are covered by other means.  They feel that they
        are doubly covered (which has no real value).  However, the
        credit card contracts that I have seen do not provide CDW
        unless you decline the CDW offered by the rental companies.
    
38.93.....I THINK I need a vanSCOAYR::LBOYDThu Jul 11 1991 14:4318
    
    
    I am coming from Scotland to Florida in late September. This will be
    the fourth year in a row that I have holidayed in Orlando. On my visits 
    previously I have twice hired a G.M. Cavalier(?) booked here with Alamo
    before I left home and once had a Mitsubishi (compact) from Lindos which
    I booked when I arrived in Orlando. I have had no problems with either of
    the companies that I used. 
    On both occassions the car was used by my wife and myself, when we come
    over this year we will be travelling with two other couples. My
    question is, would one of those "spacecruiser" APV type vans be the
    best thing to hire for six people. If so any ideas on how much, which
    company to rent from, is the CDW more expensive on these vehicles? If 
    not what *is* our best plan ? 
    
    
    thanks in advance,
    Lindsay
38.94PAPPAS::JIMJim PappasThu Jul 11 1991 17:0365
        Lindsay,

>        when we come over this year we will be travelling with two
>        other couples. My question is, would one of those
>        "spacecruiser" APV type vans be the best thing to hire for six
>        people. If so any ideas on how much, which company to rent
>        from, is the CDW more expensive on these vehicles? If  not
>        what *is* our best plan ? 

        I am assuming that all 6 adults have the same itinerary and
        that you will want a single car (or minivan) vs. multiple
        vehicles.

        For 6 adults, I think that a mini-van ("spacecruiser") is
        better than getting a full sized car since they have 3 rows of
        seats and therefore you only need to sit two people across
        which is more comfortable than having 3 people across each
        row.

        However, the price of a minivan is much higher than a regular
        car.  For example, we are thinking of renting a minivan when
        we go to WDW next month.  The best rate I have been able to
        confirm so far is with Avis using the AAA (an auto club)
        discount.  The rate is $185.25/week.   By contrast, I could
        get a full sized, 6 passenger,  4 door car with full power
        accessories for about $118/week.  If you rent with Avis, then
        you should be able to get free CDW by having them include the
        DEC number on the contract (A126200 if I remember right).

        I have been checking about 12 car companies and the price
        range for minivans seems to range from $185 - $225 per week
        using their best rates.  In my experience, the major car
        rental companies are the best priced, typically less than
        $200.  Most of the higher priced rates are from the 2nd tier
        companies that have poorer reputations.  I don't know how they
        stay in business.  They must have real low ball come-on rates
        for the sub-compacts because on any sized car that I would
        ever rent, they are generally more expensive.

        According to the report in note 48.55, the DEC contracted rate
        with Avis is about $240/week for a minivan and that definitely
        covers CDW.  This would be the maximum that you would have to
        pay to get a minivan and the insurance.

        Note that all car rentals in Florida have a $2.00/day
        surcharge and then there is an additional 6% tax.  This is
        really independent of type of car or rental company.  

        The fun starts when some of the companies start adding in
        extra charges such as a 9% airport access fee.  Usually, only
        the second tier places add this type of fee, but not all of
        them do.  On a two week rental, this airport access fee could
        add $36 or more.  Also some of the second tier places pull
        tricks with gas, selling you a half tank of gas (at $2.00/gal)
        and then expecting you to return the car with an empty tank,
        and not giving any credit for any gas remaining in the tank.

        This kind of stuff bothers me, which is why I choose to stay
        with one of the major companies.  When you add it all up, they
        are almost always the cheapest, and usually the most pleasant
        to deal with as well.  They are also the most convenient. They
        are located in terminal, and the baggage porters will load
        your luggage off the turnstiles bring it downstairs, and put
        it right into the trunk of your car.
    
38.95AAA and AVIS special in Florida thru DecemberBROKE::LUNDFri Jul 12 1991 12:5018
	I recently received my July/August issue of AAA World; in there
	they have a special $69.00 rate in Florida for AAA members.
	It's for a 2-door subcompact; unlimited mileage from Jun 15th -
	December 17th... 

	More details: Limited availability at these rates; Ask for
	Rate code KA; You MUST have your AAA membership card
	with you to receive this rate. They also have daily  and weekend
	rates under this special. The ad also mentiones there may be a
	maximum rental period restriction.

	Anyhow; if you have AAA; check out the ad opposite P14
	of your July/August issue...

				- Annie

	(P.S. They also have special rates for Hawaii; Calif/ Ariz)
38.96Toll free numbersTECRUS::JIMJim PappasSat Jul 13 1991 19:2825
        The following is best list I could find of car rental
        companies in Orlando:

           Avis			(800) 831-8000
           Hertz		(800) 654-3080
           National		(800) 227-7368
           Budget		(800) 527-0700
           Dollar		(800) 800-4000
           Thrifty		(800) 367-2277
           Value		(800) 327-2501
           Superior		(800) 237-8106
           General		(800) 327-7607
           Alamo		(800) 327-9633
           Lindos		(800) 423-4704
           Payless		(800) 237-2804
           Air-Rail		(800) 228-8024
           American-Int		(800) 527-0202
           Avon			(800) 331-0777
           Enterprise		(800) 325-8007
           Exchange		(800) 327-2836
           Inter-American	(800) 327-1278
           Wheels		(800) 413-0764
           Snappy		(800) 669-5252
           Ugly Duckling	(800) 843-3825
           USA			(800) 872-2277
38.97TECRUS::JIMJim PappasSat Jul 13 1991 21:5372
        So far, my experience with car rentals is that the best rates
        are with the AAA auto club and their contracted companies
        (Avis and Hertz).  Usually, Avis seems to be a little cheaper
        than Hertz, but not always.  It depends upon the length of
        rental and the car class.

        According to AAA, their agreement with Avis and Hertz will
        guarantee you the lowest car rental rates available from those
        companies, and if either company ever offers a better
        promotional rate, then you will get the lowest available.

        In my experience, these rates are better than those of the 2nd
        tier companies, plus, Avis and Hertz are easy to deal with and
        don't generally charge the hidden charges that are common in
        the industry.  Don't forget to bring your AAA card with you
        because they do require that you show it at the time of rental.

        Here are some of the things to watch for with car rental
        companies (especially the 2nd tier companies):

           When obtaining quotes, I would recommend asking for
           the total charges including all fees.  All companies
           will charge a $2.00/day Florida surcharge, and all
           will charge 6% state tax.  Usually the 1st tier
           companies will not have any other mandatory fees. 
           Other fees I have heard of include "airport access
           fees" if you rent at the airport, or "shuttle fees" if
           you take the company supplied shuttle to the rental
           site.

           Collision Damage Waver or Loss Damage Wavers - This
           can be expensive, but even if you decline, some
           companies will require a cash deposit or a large
           amount of your credit to be reserved for security.

           Mandatory fuel charges.  The best companies will
           provide you with a full tank, and will only charge you
           for gas if you do not return it with a full tank. 
           Other companies will have a mandatory charge for gas
           they put into the car (usually at an outrageous fee)
           and then expect you to return the car empty, giving no
           credit for any fuel in the tank.

           Extra drivers.  Some companies will charge extra if
           anyone other than the primary renter will be driving
           the car.

           Most companies use a 24 hour clock in determining the
           rental rates.  For example, if you rent the car from
           noon on Friday, till noon the following Friday, you
           will be charged for 1 week.  Other companies will
           charge for 8 days for this same period since you had
           the car for 8 (full or partial) days.

        My experience with the above is very limited since I have
        never rented with anyone other than Avis, Hertz, and National. 
        I have only heard about these problems second hand.  Also,
        with the major companies, I have experienced a liberal "free
        upgrade" policy when they were temporarily out of stock on the
        class of car which I had reserved.  I have ended up with
        convertibles, Lincoln Town Cars, and Cadillacs while paying
        for compact or mid sized cars.  Of course you cannot count on
        getting such an upgrade, it is more luck of the draw.

        Of course, both Avis and Hertz have on-site locations at the
        Orlando airport.  I think that the on-site car rental is
        especially well implemented here.  You do not have to take a
        shuttle to get to/from the cars and they have luggage porters
        who will take your luggage down to the car and put it into the
        trunk.  For the off-site locations, it is the usual van
        service to the car rental location.
    
38.98Looking For AAA InfoUFRCS1::VINZENZMon Jul 15 1991 07:5116
    According to the previous few replies it's worth being a AAA member
    when it comes to renting a car.  Since I'll be visiting Florida (and
    Colorado) this summer from Germany and I am currently checking into
    rental car rates, I wonder if anybody can post some details about the
    AAA membership.  How much is it per year?  What does it include?  Does
    the AAA card cover CDW on a rental car?  Can I join AAA on the spot at
    any AAA outlet in the States or do I have to apply and then wait a
    couple of weeks for my membership card?
    
    I'd really appreciate any information about AAA either here as a reply
    or as mail to UFRCS1::VINZENZ.
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Vinzenz [46 days 'til arriving at the CBR and
             49 days 'til departing on the Premier Cruise 8-)]
38.99PAPPAS::JIMJim PappasMon Jul 15 1991 19:4039
        RE:-1

        AAA does not cover CDW, but here in the US, usually your CDW
        is covered by

           1) your private auto insurance.
           2) charging the rental to your credit card.

        However, you must explicitly check the above.  In my case, my
        auto insurance company was covering me for collision and
        liability, but not fire and theft (fire and theft will be
        covered effective 8/10/91).  Therefore, I ordered a no-fee
        AT&T gold Mastercard which offers free CDW if the rental is
        charged to that card.

        I do not know if AAA is a constant price nationwide, or if it
        varies by area.  In my area, it costs $39 for the first year
        and it is slightly lower (I think $33) after that.  They are
        often running specials to sign up.  AAA is geared to the
        family traveler and provides many services, but I usually only
        use:

           - Free maps, free tourbooks (with good ratings) etc.
           - discount lodging.
           - emergency road service
           - discount auto rentals
           - free travelers checks
           - discount tickets (ie: cheapest Universal Studios tickets
             I've seen)

        You could join on the spot, but that won't do you much good
        since you will need to have your card prior to renting your
        car, but will need your car prior to getting to a AAA office.

        You can also join the German Auto Club which is affiliated
        with AAA.  You could then use any AAA office for any of the
        above.  I do not have any idea what it costs to join the
        German Auto Club.
    
38.100Getting An AVIS CarUFRCS1::VINZENZTue Jul 16 1991 10:5819
                 <<< Note 38.99 by PAPPAS::JIM "Jim Pappas" >>>
    
    Thanks for the reply with the info about AAA.  I just made my
    reservation with AVIS.  They have a 'Supervalue USA` rate, which they
    offer outside the States for people travelling to the States.  I've
    reserved the smallest category X (Geo Metro) for $159/week, to be
    picked up in Tampa and dropped of in Orlando.  This rate already
    INCLUDES CDW, only 6% tax and $2/day will be added.
    
    Does that sound like a reasonable rate?  Unfortunatley, no credit card
    issued here in Germany covers CDW on rental cars.  Neither does the
    personal auto insurance over here.  That means I'll have to buy it from
    the rental company.
    
    Vinzenz [42 days 'til arriving at the CBR and
             45 days 'til departing on the Premier Cruise 8-)]
    
                  I   H A R D L Y   C A N   W A I T
    
38.101PAPPAS::JIMJim PappasTue Jul 16 1991 13:3432
>    Thanks for the reply with the info about AAA.  I just made my
>    reservation with AVIS.  They have a 'Supervalue USA` rate, which they
>    offer outside the States for people travelling to the States.  I've
>    reserved the smallest category X (Geo Metro) for $159/week, to be
>    picked up in Tampa and dropped of in Orlando.  This rate already
>    INCLUDES CDW, only 6% tax and $2/day will be added.
    
    That rate sounds high to me.
    
    You should be able to rent a car from Avis using the DEC discount.  Our
    discount number is A126200.  The rates are as follows and include free
    CDW (provided by Avis, not DEC).  It is ok to use these for personal
    travel.
    
                                     A V I S
                                CORP. I. D. # A126200
    
                                                     WEEKLY         MONTHLY
                                    DAILY             RATE           RATE
              CAR GROUP             RATE           (5 x Daily)    (18 x Daily)
        ---------------------      -------          ----------     ----------
    
        A - Sub-compact            $29.50            147.50          531.00
        B - Compact                 31.00            155.00          558.00
        C - Intermediate            32.50            162.50          585.00
        D - Full size (2-door)      34.00            170.00          612.00
        E - Full size (4-door)      35.00            175.00          630.00
        F - Wagon                   39.00            195.00          702.00
        G - Premium                 48.00            240.00          864.00
     
    
                                                                        
38.102PAPPAS::JIMJim PappasTue Jul 16 1991 14:425
    Sorry,
    
    I just noticed you were picking up the car in Tampa and dropping it off
    in Orlando.  The rate I quoted in the last reply require pickup and
    drop-off at the same location.
38.103Corporate Rates are HigherSALEM::PAGLIARULO_GReality is a cosmic hunchTue Jul 16 1991 15:2310
    I've been looking into renting a car in Fort Lauderdale and dropping it
    off in Orlando.  I called National and Avis.  Neither charge a drop off
    fee and both had rates that were cheaper than the DEC discount rate. 
    The people I spoke to said that the corporate rates aren't really
    geared to Florida.  Since Florida is one of the most competitive markets 
    anyway the regular rates are cheaper.  Unfortunately, I don't have the
    rates they quoted with me.  I can enter them tonight if you're
    interested.
    
    George
38.104Please Post The RatesUFRCS1::VINZENZWed Jul 17 1991 07:5716
     <<< Note 38.103 by SALEM::PAGLIARULO_G "Reality is a cosmic hunch" >>>
    
>>                      Since Florida is one of the most competitive markets 
>>  anyway the regular rates are cheaper.  Unfortunately, I don't have the
>>  rates they quoted with me.  I can enter them tonight if you're
>>  interested.
    
    Yes, I'd be interested in the rates.  If I can find anything lower than
    $159/week incl. CDW, I can always cancel that reservation, since I
    didn't have to prepay anything.
    
    Any buck saved on the rental car is an extra buck to be spent at WDW.
    
    Vinzenz [44 days 'til arriving at the CBR and
             47 days 'til departing on the Premier Cruise 8-)]
    
38.105Avis Orlando rate are always cheaperCLADA::BENOWed Jul 17 1991 10:159
    I always rent from AVIS in Orlando and they ALWAYS have had special
    weekly (one time a special 10 day rate- but I had to ask for it) rates.
    These rates were much cheaper than the Digital contract rates, but by
    our contract you can still get free CDW by having them reserve the car
    using the DEC #. If you can call the AVIS (800) number in the USA and
    ask them about any special rates they might have or if you can not do
    this from your DTN have someone in the USA call for you. Somehow, I
    don't think calling the local Germany office will get you the lowest
    rate.
38.106One-way rental vs. Airport ShuttleNEWVAX::DOYLEA monk, a clone, and a Ferrengi....Tue Aug 13 1991 00:2116
    I recently discovered that you can return National Rental Cars to
    the Swan or Dolphin hotels in addition to the Car Care Center. There
    is no drop-off charge for renting at the airport and dropping off at
    Disney. The rates are such that it's actually less expensive to rent a 
    car at the airport, drive to Disney, and drop it at the hotels than to 
    use the Mears shuttle. The daily rates we were quoted are:
    
    	$22.95 from Airport to Disney
    	$30.58 from Disney to Airport
    	(This includes 10% MKC discount, 6% Florida tax and $2/day
    	surcharge. Of course, they wouldn't guarantee this rate, so all
    	normal disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary...)
    
    And this allows us to hit Goodings and pick up munchies on the 
    way, as well as keep our luggage in the car after we check out. Not
    a bad deal!
38.107National Rates Skyrocketing...NEWVAX::DOYLEA monk, a clone, and a Ferrengi....Mon Aug 26 1991 16:1510
    Am I sorry I ever thought about one-way rental! National Rental
    Car has been jacking up the rates daily, so they are now approx. $30
    each way. But I wouldn't bet on them holding if the past two weeks are
    any indication. I finally gave up and found that Hertz gives USAir
    Frequent Flyers 5% off the best rate (which during September is
    5% off 79.00/week). Avis is also running a similar special. All the 
    "little" agencies (Value, Dollar, etc.) are also running specials but
    by the time you add in all the fees (on-airport, off-airport, extra
    driver, shuttle pickup fee) you might just as well rent with the 
    big agencies at the great September rates...
38.108american internationalCGVAX2::HAREFri Aug 30 1991 19:338
    Has anyone had any experience with American International as a rental 
    agency?  I am heading to Orlando in 10 days and my travel agent booked 
    this car agency stating they were excellent.  Does anyone have any
    information?
    
    Thanks for the help.
    
    Mike
38.109Mine, tooTYGER::GIBSONWed Sep 04 1991 13:004
    My travel agent also recommendad them. We found a cheaper rate at 
    National. 
    
    Linda
38.110CSC32::J_HANLONBack in the High Life, AgainSat Sep 07 1991 04:2114
We've used that rental agency in Chicago several times and found their service
there to be excellent.  We did find that even when we rented sub-compacts we
always seemed to be given a mid-size type car.  The years of the automobiles
we rented also tended to be older than the top of the line rental agencies,
but the automobiles were very clean and in good working condition.  Location
might be a factor...  I don't remember seeing them in the Orlando airport.  In
Chicago they are not located in the airport, or even immediately outside
the airport, but some distance away.  The distance was not inconvenient as they
did run courtesy busses, but I know distance from the airport is often
important.  The first time I used them it was because they were the cheapest
I could find, but I was so impressed with the friendliness and concern they
showed me (I was by myself that trip with a newborn) that my husband and I
have continued to use them on subsequent trips.  I don't know how they would
compare in Orlando but we were pleased with them in Chicago.
38.111Lindo's - one year onKERNEL::WATTERSONVENI VIDI VISAThu Oct 10 1991 14:0833
38.112Hire car prices for February breakWECROW::HILLPeterWed Jan 15 1992 00:2622
    With 31days to go I am looking for a hire car.
    
    I'm getting a little confused , but that's not unusual.
    
    I phoned a few of the bigger companies ashing about a mid-sized car.
    
    The AVIS AAA rate is $171 for 9 days , CW extra.
    The AVIS DEC rate is $227.50 Including collision.
    Alamo is 106.99 /week plus 25.99 /day pluss 8% airport pickup. $230ish?
    Hertz is 200.99 less 5% AAA discount.
    National is 187.96 MKC rate plus collision.
    National also have a special for WDW/EPCOT visitors including free
    parking and collision @ $217, but as we are staying on site it's no
    advantage to get free parking.
    
    I think I may go with the AVIS AAA rate and make sure I use a Credit
    Card with the insurance coverage. Actually when I asked about the DEC
    rate the booking person suggested uising a card that covers the
    insurence, which is a little different from the pressure I've herad
    about in Florida.
    
    PS sorry about all the typos it's hard to correct them on my PC.
38.113TECRUS::JIMJim PappasWed Jan 15 1992 00:5413
    Peter,
    
    It sounds like the Avis AAA rate is the best.  That has been my
    experience during my last few trips, but things are always changing,
    and it doesn't hurt to check around.
    
    As far as waiving CDW, I posted a bunch of my observations in 38.91. 
    Check with your insurance agent, you may be covered by your normal
    automobile policy.  Also, I understand that some of the credit card
    companies are dropping the free CDW.  It is worthwile to check prior to
    your trip.
    
    Have a good trip.
38.114TOKLAS::feldmanLarix decidua, var. decifyWed Jan 15 1992 01:1321
Also, don't forget to include the $2.05/day surtax charged by the State of
Florida on all car rentals in the state.  This is the same for all rental
companies, so it shouldn't matter in the comparisons, unless some
companies quote you prices with the surtax and other (the majority) without.

The Avis agent I first spoke to was kind enough to volunteer the information.
I think only one other agent volunteered the information; not even the Avis
agent I spoke to when I actually booked it (although perhaps I was asking
different questions then).

I have a AAA coupon good for a free upgrade with Avis.  The catch is
that Avis puts a line of 2-door full size cars in between the mid-sized
and 4-door 
full size cars, and it starts with mid-sized cars (you can't upgrade a
compact to a mid-size).  If there are only two of you, so that you
don't care about
it being a 2-door car, you may want to check this out.  (I want it mostly
so that I can get cruise control, since I'll be driving between Orlando
and south Florida.)

   Gary
38.115AAA/AVIS Special of $69/weekly thru 3/31/92BROKE::LUNDWed Jan 15 1992 11:3915
    
    Peter,
    
    	I'd suggest calling the AAA AVIS number again. I don't have it in
    	my office today; but there is a special offered to AAA members
    	thru March 31, 1992. The RATE advertised in the latest AAA magazine
    	is $69/weekly. The code in the AAA magazine
    	was KA. For the time in March we are going they said they didn't
    	have anymore of the $69/weekly specials. We could get a $89/weekly
    	rate, with each additional day at $9.
    
    	I'll bring the magazine in tomorrow for more info if you need it.
    
    			- Annie
    
38.116I chose the AAA Avis rate.WECROW::HILLPeterThu Jan 16 1992 10:2316
I booked the AAA Avis rate later that evening. I had to stop procrastinating.

re .113 yes I agree, I'll check my credit cards and insurance, Although I 
think my insurance only insures a rental if I'm renting it to replace a car
being repaired, I'd like to be surprised.

re .114, thanks for the warning on the surcharge, and although we are a family
 of 4, a 2 door would be fine as both our cars are 2 doors.

re .115 I think the $69/week rate is for a compact and expires just before we
leave, I've found very little is cheap during the school break. I think a 
compact would be a bit small anyway, especially if it's the metro in the add.

Thanks for all the advice, I'd be lost without this conference.

 Peter (leaving 4 weeks from tomorrow)
38.117TOKLAS::feldmanLarix decidua, var. decifyThu Jan 16 1992 11:0126
By the way, on a slightly different car rental subject:

GM, in cooperation with Avis, AAA, and the City of Orlando, is running a
consumer test of a computer navigation system called TravTek during 1992.
The cars are all 2-door Olds Toranodoes, the weekly rate is $149 (which
is about
normal for a car in this class), and you have to agree to fill out
appropriate survey forms.

The navigation system has a database of maps, restaurants, and attractions
in Orlando, covering about a 1200 square mile area.  You can look up a
restaurant, have the car phone autodial them so you can make reservations, and
then have the map system display the route.  You can choose the fastest
route (in its opinion), or you can exclude interstates or toll roads.  As
you drive, it shows you the next turn you need to make; after you make the
turn, it automatically moves on to the next segment of the route.  If you
make a wrong turn, you can ask it to replot a route.

I have no idea how well this works, but we'll find out, as I'm already
confirmed for our trip to MagiCon around Labor Day (and we don't even
have hotel reservations yet).

If you're interested, contact your local AAA office.  I'm not sure, but I think
it's restricted to AAA members.

   Gary
38.118Full size large enough?STAR::DCARRGuru: a 4-letter word to Amiga ownersWed Apr 29 1992 02:3719
    Am curious what size vehicle larger families rent (actually am more
    interested in trunk space). I've booked a full size car for our family 
    of 5 which also equates to 5 pieces of luggage. A full size car from
    Avis (from whom we're renting) is a Grand Prix. Ditto for National,
    though they also rent Chevy Luminas and in some instances, Dodge Dynastys.
    Budget claims Ford Taurus. 

    I've been to the local Pontiac dealer to size up the trunk. Doesn't
    look all that huge, and even though we'll only have 2 trips to and
    from the airport with all the luggage, I don't think the kids will
    relish the thought of riding with suitcases on their laps should it
    not all fit in the trunk. What's the largest for trunk space for the
    above vehicles? I may just make another trip to the dealer with
    luggage in hand, but thought I'd ask anyway.

    BTW, prices from all three (Avis & Budget w/ DEC discount and National
    with MKC discount) were similar for 7 days - ~$129.

    -Dom
38.119Easy for me to say; Dad paid the rental...SWAM1::STERN_TOTom Stern -- Have TK, Will TravelWed Apr 29 1992 22:4918
    re: -.1
    	
    	When our family went in January there we five full-grown adults
    (two of whom are skinny, and to of whom [including me] are definitely
    NOT), and a small (for her age) teenage girl (my niece).  So there was
    lots of luggage.
    
    	My father decided, wisely enough, to go with two cars (even though
    we all packed into a Grand Prix for the day trip to NASA), figuring
    despite the luggage, that many people, not staying on property, there
    might be a problem getting a concensus as to when to leave, what to
    see, where to go; so it saved a whole bunch of ego to have a second
    car.
    
    	As it was, I still dropped them off at the hotel and went back a
    coupleo of times.
    
    tom
38.120TECRUS::JIMJim PappasWed Apr 29 1992 23:1514
    When we rent a car, we usually get a full size for my family of 5. 
    Three are kids, but we usually go down for 2 weeks or longer so we
    bring a fair amount of luggage.  We each have a duffel bag (big ones)
    and plus we usually pack an extra big suitcase (3 suiter), plus a
    carry-on bag and a camcorder case.

    The only way we get by is because of the duffel bags.  They can squeeze
    into every little nook and cranny.  However, it still does not all fit
    and the kids end up with something under their feet and my wife usually
    has something up front with her.

    You might want to consider getting a minivan.  It will cost extra but
    will give you plenty of space.  Last summer, the cheapest rate that I
    could find was about $185/week.  See .94 for more details.
38.121A minivan should do it...STAR::DCARRGuru: a 4-letter word to Amiga ownersThu Apr 30 1992 01:0414
    Re: -.1, -.2

    A trip to the local Pontiac dealer with our two largest pieces of
    luggage in hand confirmed that not even those two pieces would fit
    in the trunk of the Grand Prix! (The family would have been *real*
    pleased with me, I'm sure :-) I think the sales person was as
    surprised as I was. So, after a few calls to other rental companies 
    for larger vehicles, we're now renting a minivan (Pontiac TransSport 
    or Chevy Lumina APV) with National. For those interested, the price 
    is $155 for their "Green Lot Special", which includes "preferential" 
    free parking at WDW. There's a difference in pennies between this and 
    the MKC discounted rate.

    -Dom
38.122Seven in party - multiple driversVOGON::KAPPLERSpontaneity is fine in it's place....Mon Jun 01 1992 09:4112
    a follow-on question to the previous, from another questioner!
    
    Can you get seven people in these Vans (5 adults and 2 kids)?
    
    If not, what would be best for that size of party?
    
    And also, my eldest son is 21. Would he be allowed to drive a rental in
    the US?
    
    Tnks,
    
    JK
38.123SALEM::BERUBE_CWhere do you think you are? WDW!!Mon Jun 01 1992 10:5823
    Rep to <<< Note 38.122 by VOGON::KAPPLER "Spontaneity is fine in it's place...." >>>

>    Can you get seven people in these Vans (5 adults and 2 kids)?

    Yes most  Mini-Van  can accomadate 7-8 people, their luggage however is
    another story.  If  it's  an  Extended version most of the luggage will
    probably fit behind the back  bench  seat, with the rest under the back
    seat is on the soft side.
        
>    If not, what would be best for that size of party?

    2  car's  ;^( or a large station wagon might do  though  it  could  get
    cramped.  Not sure if they rent large vans, didn't notice  any  at  the
    Alamo lot while stuck in the traffic jam.
        
>    And also, my eldest son is 21. Would he be allowed to drive a rental in
>    the US?
    
    You  must  be 25 years or older  to  rent  from  the  major  companies.
    Spouse's  are  usually  free while non imediate family members  was  an
    extra $10 for Avis if I remember correctly.
    
    Claude
38.124No Rent, but can he Drive it?VOGON::KAPPLERSpontaneity is fine in it's place....Thu Jun 04 1992 07:268
    Thanks Claude.
    
    I understand you need to be 25 to rent, but would a 21 year old be
    allowed to drive on my rental?
    
    (I suspect the bad news, but would like a definitive answer.)
    
    JK
38.125I think you need to be 25 to driveBUSY::TBUTLERThu Jun 04 1992 12:163
    	My understanding is that you have to be 25 to drive the cars also.
    
    Tom
38.126check out the Avis DEC rate.SALEM::BERUBE_CWhere do you think you are? WDW!!Thu Jun 04 1992 12:3213
    Rep to <<< Note 38.124 by VOGON::KAPPLER "Spontaneity is fine in it's place...." >>>

>    I understand you need to be 25 to rent, but would a 21 year old be
>    allowed to drive on my rental?

    typicaly rent/Drive  is  the  same 25 years, but hmmm I got to thinking
    and did a  VTX  TRAVEL and checked the AVIS contract and loo and behold
    Employees must be 18  or  older  to  rent using the corporate rate.  So
    maybe if you use Avis your son might be able to drive as well.  Maybe a
    phone call/letter to Avis will confirm?    go into VTX TRAVEL and check
    it out for addresses/tel # for Avis and Budget..
    
    Claude
38.127Under 25 is an insurance riskUTOPIA::FEELEYGrowing older but not up...Thu Jun 04 1992 19:187
38.128Problem solved....VOGON::KAPPLERSpontaneity is fine in it's place....Fri Jun 05 1992 07:5816
    Tnks for all the info and advice. For reference I checked with Avis
    and:
    
    If my spouse is under 25 (I should be so ...!), they can drive on the
    Digital Contract. But my son can't. I'm still not certain this is
    absolute, but gave up pushing it when I found out .....
    
    As my son is a member of an auto club (the Royal Automobile Club to be
    exact) who also have a contract with Avis allowing drivers 18 and
    upwards, he can show his membership card and will be allowed to be an
    additional driver on my (Digital) agreement).
    
    I can just imagine trying to explain all this when I collect the car
    from the Agent in Orlando!!
    
    JK
38.129Refused Alt DriverFSOA::HLEINONENThu Jun 11 1992 14:2517
    
    
    	Just a word of caution ... something else to check in to...
    
    	Last year my girlfriend and I went to Orlando and rented
    	an Avis car. The car was reserved in her name, under her
    	credit card. When we asked to have both names put on as
    	drivers they refused mine cause I didn't have a credit card
    	with me! I had a valid license, am 25+, and have credit
    	cards, just didn't bring them. They would only place her
    	name on as driver and cautioned us against an accident with
    	me behind the wheel!
    
    	You may need to ask a few more questions...
    
    	Heidi 
    
38.130RENT A CAR!CUPMK::JETTEFri Aug 07 1992 19:3314
    This was my only mistake in planning this trip.
    
    I SHOULD HAVE RENTED A CAR!
    
    I will NEVER go to WDW again without RENTING A CAR!
                                           
    It is worth the $125 - $200 you'll pay!
    
    I made HDDR by the skin of my teeth due to the lack of adequate
    transportation to FW from the CBR.  That's only one example.  I have a
    few more that will be in my trip report.
    
    Kathy
    
38.131Car Rental: Necessary??CSC32::DUBOISLoveMon Aug 17 1992 21:3316
Is a car rental really necessary?

If we go in April, we will have 2 adults, a 5 year old, and a 6 month old.
We plan to stay onsite at a Disney resort, and not leave except for a 
trip (for at least 1 adult) to the Space Center (or whatever it is; you can
tell I'm not the adult who is interested).  :-}

I would think that Disney would have a tram/shuttle/transportation from the
airport to the World and back.  *Don't* they?

I thought I also read here (somewhere!) about transportation to the 
(space center place).  Does that exist?

Is a car rental necessary?

        Carol (in Colorado)
38.132see earlier replies, and topic 62.* and 87.*SALEM::BERUBE_CWhere do you think you are? WDW!!Tue Aug 18 1992 10:5434
    Rep to <<< Note 38.131 by CSC32::DUBOIS "Love" >>>

    Carol,
    
>Is a car rental really necessary?

    I think  I'll  leave this one to Kathy jette to answer in her up coming
    trip report ;^).
    
    Actually a car  is  not  necessary, as long as you plan yourself around
    the fact that you don't have the convenience of a personal car and will
    be  travelling  according to a bus schedule.  Depending on which  hotel
    your staying at and which park you wish to visit a car  will  take  you
    there faster than the WDW BUS's/Monorail/Ferry and visa versa.
    
>I would think that Disney would have a tram/shuttle/transportation from the
>airport to the World and back.  *Don't* they?

    No Disney does not provide a shuttle, however there  is  a limo/shuttle
    available from the airport to your hotel at WDW see  topic  62  for the
    latest on this.
    
>I thought I also read here (somewhere!) about transportation to the 
>(space center place).  Does that exist?

    Hmm not sure, it's posible that a  sightseeing  co  does  this from the
    Orlando are but if not, you can always  rent  a  National  car from the
    Care Care Center in WDW and they will pick you up at the hotel lobby.
    
>Is a car rental necessary?

    No, but I would/will be renting on all future trips.
    
    Claude
38.133SALEM::PAGLIARULO_GReality is a cosmic hunchTue Aug 18 1992 12:0215
    Carol,
    
    	We've always rented a car when we go to WDW but then we also always
    make trips outside the park to other attractions.  We also use it for
    shopping since we stay in Fort Wilderness and can cook.  I've never
    once used the car inside the park (except for last trip to go take a
    look at the new outlying hotels).  Personally I like riding the in-park 
    transportation.
    
    	I think that if I knew I was going to stay in the park for the whole
    time I would not rent a car or maybe rent one at the airport and turn it 
    in at the park.  If you need one to get to Kennedy Space Center you
    could always rent one for a day.
    
    George
38.134Kathy & Jim the FLoor is YOursVISUAL::SCOPAI'd rather be in OrlandoTue Aug 18 1992 14:1315
    Carol,
    
    I'm gonna let Kathy tell you WHY she will tell you go with the car
    rental.
    
    Maybe Jim can tell you (unless he already has) what he found out about
    cars vs WDW transportation.
    
    * * * 
    
    I hope we're not sending out mixed messages. Depending upon how long
    you stay, your plans, where you stay, and other factors...you may very
    well not need a car.
    
    Mike
38.135I haven't needed a carFDCV14::YOUNGSteve Young DDD/M16 DTN 264-4335Tue Aug 18 1992 14:4424
Carol,

The last 3 times I have gone down it has been in my own car. The first time 
we used the car to go off-site to places like Sea World, Cypress Gardens, 
Kennedy Space Center, shopping, etc.

The second time we used it once to pick up some neighbors at the airport and
drive them to the Contemporary. (They were going to use the Mears shuttle, but 
we offered to pick them up. In return they watched our kids one night so Kathy 
and I could go out. Now I remember, that was the second time we used it that trip.
Kathy and I went to Rosi O'Grady's in downtown Orlando.)

The third time was this last April. The car didn't move from the time we arrived 
until we left. I had intended to use the car to get to some of the remote areas,
and also to check out the handicapped parking situation for a trip we are 
planning in November, but the WDW bus transportation was just so convenient, we
couldn't pass it up. Also decided that we will probably use the bus 
transportation in November when we will have two wheelchairs to worry about.

If you don't plan on going off property for anything other than the space center,
I wouldn't bother getting a car for the entire time. Just rent one for the day to 
go to Kennedy.

Steve 78_days_to_go_to_my_second_trip_this_year
38.136convenient YES - time effective ???SALEM::BERUBE_CWhere do you think you are? WDW!!Tue Aug 18 1992 15:367
    Oh I'm  not  saying  that  the  WDW  Bus's  aren't  convenient  or cost
    effective, I'm just  saying  that in some instances determined on where
    your staying/going, using the  Bus's  may not be the most effective use
    of your vacation time and  using your car/rental is.  (I'll let Kathy's
    trip report elaborate more on this)
    
    Claude
38.137Depends......CSC32::B_GRUBBSTue Aug 18 1992 17:1522
    
    The other point to consider is that if you are staying somewhere like
    the CBR, driving to MGM and EPCOT and getting to gate usually
    takes less time than it takes for the bus to get to the bus stop (at
    least this is how we experienced it). 
    
    Also, with a resort id, parking is free so no big deal to use it.
    We found that coming out of a park at closing time produced horrible
    bus waits, and with our own car we could be back to the room in
    just a few minutes. 
    
    The only thing that has ever REALLY peeved me about Disney World
    parking is when you move from one lot to the other in the early evening
    and they insist on waving you into a far out parking space, when there
    are open spaces up front........!  I know Disney has it's reasons,
    and maybe there is even a way around this that I haven't paid attention
    to.
    
    Anyway, for us we like having a car, but have done without on REALLY
    tight budgeted trips where the $130 could be better spent.
    
    --Bert (returning to the World mid May 93)
38.138To rent or Not to rentIMTDEV::GULLIKSENLonging to be at WDWThu Aug 20 1992 20:5426
   To rent a car or not...

   In 1989, I stayed at the CBR.  I was travelling with two children
   (ages 7 and 9).  We tried the bus and decided to take the car.
   When you ride the bus at peak times, it may be standing room only.
   I think the kids were a little uncomfortable with standing up and
   all the strangers.

   Last year, I stayed at the PO.  We rode the bus most of the time.
   The waits were generally not very long.  Also everyone I was
   travelling with was an adult.  There is one major drawback to 
   using the buses.  If you are going to the theme parks, everything
   is great.  The buses stop at the hotels (this may mean multiple
   stops) and then goes straight to the theme parks.  However, if
   you need to travel between hotels, then you will have to transfer.

   We went to the Hoop-Dee-Doo Revue and Polynesian Revue which are
   not at a theme park.  Also the trip was in the fall so the Magic
   Kingdom was closed.  In order to get the PO, we had to take the bus
   to Pleasure Island and then wait for the PO bus.  The wait at PI 
   was always much longer than the wait to get to the parks.

   Will I use the bus transportation again?  Yes.  My next trip will
   probably be in 1998.  (I just had a baby and want to wait until
   he is older.)  I'm not planning on renting a car.  But alot can
   happen in six years.
38.139Get the car....PHDVAX::JMCGLINCHEYThu Aug 20 1992 22:1113
    Florida is probably the cheapest place to rent a car.  I have stayed at
    almost every resort now and the bus transportation is good, but...
    There is nothing like going where you want to, when you want to. 
    Especially when you want to get from one resort to the other without
    going either to TTC or PI or some other transfer site.  If you stay in
    a place with a kitchen (like FW trailers, which are great, or the
    villas) then it's a great experience to go outside WDW to see what is
    around.  If you have small (under 3 years) kids, then the car can be a
    blessing late at night.  Also, if you are staying on property and want
    to just sneak over to MK to see the fireworks or the parade, then drive
    over to the Contemporary, park there and walk right over to the main
    gate.  No monorail, no buses.  I've never been hassled when I do this,
    but I have heard of other who got questioned.
38.143HOW DID YOU FIND IT.....DRIVING I MEANPEKING::BAREFIELDAJACK CHARLTON IS DESPICABLEMon Nov 16 1992 16:229
    
    How do most of you non-Americans find driving on the other
    side of the road in Florida, do you find that you take straight
    to it or do did you find it a nightmare. I'm going on the 28th
    of may for three weeks and would like some info on what you
    thought.....
    
    Andy..B
    
38.144DRIVING ON THE RIGHT'S OK....BUT...TRUCKS::EVANS_WSpread a little happiness.....Mon Nov 16 1992 17:0943
RE : -< HOW DID YOU FIND IT.....DRIVING I MEAN >-

Driving on the "right" side of the road was no problem.  It takes about five 
minutes to adjust.

H O W E V E R !

We must have spent about 6 hours in total either on the wrong highway, or going 
in the wrong direction, or totally lost!    

1. The road signs don't always give you a lot of time to change lanes and you 
can easily end up on the exit road when you don't want to be, or vice versa.

2. The roads run either North/South or East/West which should be easy except
where roads cross!  e.g. in England, you are driving along a road and, say,
Rhubabrb Street is on your left and Blah-blah Street is on your right...
...therefore you know which way you are going in relation to the map.
In Florida, you are driving along say, International Drive, and Orange Blossom
Trail is both on your left AND on your right...therefore you know where you are
but you have no idea which way you are going!!

3. Once you realise you're on the wrong road or going the wrong way, it ain't 
always easy to get off.  There are no over-the-motorway roundabouts to enable 
you to turn in the other direction.  Sometimes you panic to get off a road
and the exit leads you to yet another Interstate you didn't want to be on...

I advise you to take a compass and follow your noses.  At one point, we had to
use the position of the sun to establish if we were going East or West!!! 

The good thing is that you can do U-turns on the town roads - this got us out
of a lot of trouble.

By the way, I'm not criticising the U.S. road system - you have MANY excellent
driving advantages over there - I'm just highlighting the problems we had!
Any advice on the above will be appreciated for my next visit....which, I hope,
will not be too long.

May I take this opportunity to say that America was the most wonderful place 
I've ever been.  We felt so welcome there that the Caribbean Cruise we took 
afterwards was a bit of a let-down!

Wendy
  x
38.140Car prices..on Rentals.JUPITR::MJUBINVILLEMon Nov 16 1992 18:3116
    
                      Car Rentals
    
    Two notes before this one saying that car rental is about 120.00 a week
    for a subcompact, is this correct? I asked for prices when I called the
    airport where I got my tickets and they said 200.00 for subcompact and
    275.00 for sports car.  Is it cheaper to get a car down in florida as
    soon as you get there? I do not want to wait in line for hours, and do
    you get a selection of cars to choose from?  I am getting a sports car
    and I would not mind paying cheaper if I can.
    Can anyone help on these prices?  or is there a phone number I can call
    down in florida to reserve a car that I want and cheaper than what I 
    already reserved?
    
    Mike
    
38.141KAOOA::LAVIGNEMon Nov 16 1992 18:5115
    When you say sports car what exactly do you mean.   I paid about 270
    per/week a few years back for a convertible.  As for 200 for a
    subcompact you are definately better off renting down there.  Typical
    prices for subcompacts are under 100 to about 120.  Unless you are
    going in Peak season then I wouldn't worry too much about waiting.  I
    have always gone off season and have never spent more than 15 minutes
    at the rental office.
    
    regards,
    JP.
    
    A sports car sounds nice, my wife rented me a Miata for my last Birthday
    and it was a blast driving around all day with the top down.
    
    
38.145Why IS that guy waving his fist?SHAWB2::BATTYMDer Machinen Goin Floomy Floomy!Tue Nov 17 1992 07:2528
    Re .60, .61
    
    I agree, it takes only a few minutes to adjust to driving on the other
    side of the road (having the steering wheel on the other side almost
    forces you into it automatically). 
    
    There are some things however that you do need more time to get used
    to.
    
    Filter Right On Red. A great idea, and one which we could usefully
    adopt.
    
    Signs and Lights suspended over the lanes, not at the side of the road.
    
    Tossing change with your left hand at Toll Booths.
    
    Fortunately, from the airport into Orlando and WDW, you have a good
    stretch of 'Motorway' to get used to driving on the right with an
    automatic and air conditioning controls to adjust.
    
    Final Warnings. Make careful note of where you park and what you are
    driving. Once, after a shop at Goodings, it took 10 minutes to find our
    car amongst all the other white, rental, Chevy Cavaliers.
    Also, when you crawl into the car for an early start and find someone's
    nicked the steering wheel - DON'T PANIC - just get out and try the
    other side!!!
    
    Mike B.
38.146NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan Rdb/xxx EngineeringWed Nov 18 1992 14:1615
    I found that car prices have gone up quite a bit.  I've been to FL
    4 times this year (3 at WDW) and found that at least with full size
    cars.  I had to REALLY shop around.  I expected about a 119/week rate
    and most were in the 190/week range...up to 220.  I finally (after
    about 20 calls...using every discount possible) found a 119 rate
    through Alamo using the Orlando Magicard (sent to me by the visitors
    bureas).
    
    It must be the state of the ecconomy or something :-(
    
    -Jay
    
    PS: get a car...I use both the WDW transportation and the car depending
    on what we are doing.
     
38.142NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan Rdb/xxx EngineeringWed Nov 18 1992 14:3612
    I just entered a note in the disney transportation note regarding this
    topic...if I get a chance later I will xpost it.
    
    the best price that I could find for a full size car was with the
    orlando magiccard ...using the discount number BY254026 thru
    Alamo...this is after about 20+ calls (some of couse multiple calls to
    the same vendor...using different discounts).
    
    I did not not have to show the car when I got to Alamo.
    
    -Jay
     
38.147Prices have escalated!NC1701::JOHNSONPhil Johnson DTN 293-5125Wed Nov 18 1992 15:4410
    I don't know what's going on Florida as far as rental cars go, but I
    have been watching the prices skyrocket for the past 5 months.  Last
    year you could pick up an economy car in 'off season' for as little as
    $50 to $70, and winter rates were $75 to $99.  
    This year, 'off season' was $75 to $90, and right now, economy
    (the cheapest) cars are $119 to $150.  This is in the second string
    companies like Value, Alamo, Dollar etc...   The first string companies
    (Avis, Hertz etc) want real gold or your first born...
    
    Phil
38.148Car Rental Prices W/ExtrasWFOV12::CERVONEWed Nov 18 1992 16:0112
    Yeh I agree this year I went down in August and at Alamo it cost me
    $117.00 for a compact with a full tank of gas. Which reminds me I have
    benn down to WDW three times now and the first time I didnt get a car I
    used the  shuttles. Even though we spent all our time at WDW it would
    have been cheaper to rent a car.
    
    One other question when you rent a car how do you handle all the extras
    they want to pawn off on you like Ins., Upgrade for just $20.00 or more,
    the full tank of gas. The only think I've ever gone for is the full
    tank of gas.
    
    Frank 
38.149Alamo rental re: .146NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan Rdb/xxx EngineeringThu Nov 19 1992 02:3012
    re: my note in .146
    
    the Orlando Card that I wrote about is from:
    
    Official Visitor Information Center
    8445 International Dr.
    Orlando, FL 32819
    
    (407) 363-5874
    
    The exact current rate for a full size car is 119.96/wk +27.20 /extra
    day.
38.150WONDER::REILLYSean Reilly DTN 293-5983Thu Nov 19 1992 13:4115
    
    Prices are indeed skyrocketing.
    
    We always drive to WDW from Mass. and we always rent a car to do it (so
    we can keep the wear/miles off our car and get a/c).  When we went this
    year, we were shocked!
    
    There was a pretty good article in Business Week about the reasons.
    Basically, because the Big 3 auto makers are doing so bad, the perks
    and discounts and stuff they've been giving to their respective rental
    agencies (each rental agency is tied to a certain manufacturer) have
    been less; thus the rental agencies are passing on the cost of doing
    business to the consumer.
    
    - Sean
38.151Renting to DriveAUDIBL::SCOPAI'd rather be in OrlandoThu Nov 19 1992 14:316
    Sean,
    
    Do you mind if I ask how much it cost you to rent a car to drive down
    to Orlando? How long did you hod the car and what kind of car was it?
    
    Mike
38.152WONDER::REILLYSean Reilly DTN 293-5983Sun Nov 22 1992 01:5732
    
    re. Mike:
    
    Well, the best deals I could find with the "brand names" were in the
    $180/week (Hertz) to $189/week range for a midrange car (Cavalier,
    Tempo, etc.)  If you needed it for any extra days over even weeks, it 
    was about $47/day.  These were with AAA discounts and included
    unlimited mileage but did not include collision/damage waivers.  
    Compacts were about $10/week less.  I used the car for 2 weeks even.
    
    I used to be able to swing deals that ended up costing me on the
    order of $13/day for my entire trip rather than $25/day.  I believe
    there are "specials" that go on, but apparantly not when I went this
    year.  Sometimes I've finagled upgrades due to unavailability (got
    a Grand Am when we rented a Prism).  This year I managed a Thunderbird
    for $1/day extra when I rented a Tempo (they didn't have the Tempo
    cleaned).
    
    One thing I've noticed is that years ago the Alamo's and Enterprise's
    were giving the best rates.  They are not now, not by a long shot.
    Enterprise is not even offering unlimited mileage (obviously a must
    for us :^) ) anymore.  You might also want to consider their policy
    on travelling out of state.  I use the ignore method:  I don't ask
    them if I can go out of state, and they don't ask me if I'm going.
    Contract fine-print might state something about it, but I just take
    my chances.  So far, no one has questioned me about an inordinate
    amount of mileage for two weeks...
    
    I think there are plenty of locally-owned rental places that are giving 
    better rates, also, but, like I said, I wasn't looking at these.
    
    - Sean
38.153FL Rental Companies Do Background Checks on DriversLJOHUB::GOLDBERGLen, I Own a Piece of the MagicFri Dec 04 1992 18:5659
	MIAMI (UPI) -- Florida rental car companies are doing background
checks on drivers and anyone with a suspended or revoked license won't
be able to lease a vehicle.
	Hertz Rent A Car has been the most aggressive company so far, the
Miami Herald reported Friday. It now runs a computer check on the
license of any Floridian before renting a car to that person.
	The company does a more extensive check of the driving records of New
Yorkers, both at home and when they visit Florida, the newspaper
reported.
	Through a company called TML Information Services it can access more
information on New York drivers than merely a listing of licenses that
have been suspended or revoked.
	If the New York record shows a recent drunken driving conviction or a
rash of accidents, Hertz will deny the rental.
	National Car Rental also is using the program and Avis and other
rental companies are expected to follow suit.
	The companies will do more complete background checks on Florida
drivers, similar to ones done for New Yorkers, when the computer
technology becomes available from the Florida Department of Highway
Safety and Motor Vehicles.
	The state agency was expected to decide Monday whether to proceed
with the updated system under a contract with TML.
	``The new system would provide them with a full driver history -- all
the accidents, convictions and speeding tickets for the last three years
or the last seven years,'' said Randy Esser of the state department.
	The cost of the service is $2 for a three-year history or $3 for a
seven-year history.
	While rental companies contend the background check system will help
rid the roads of bad drivers there is also a financial consideration.
	Each year rental companies pay millions of dollars to settle lawsuits
under vicarious liability laws, which state the owner of a car is
legally responsible for whatever damage is done by the car's driver.
Florida and New York are among a number of states that have such laws.
	Under a vicarious law an accident victim can sue a rental company if
the driver of a rental car caused the accident.
	In Florida one such accident occured on Alligator Alley. Two British
sailors were killed and a third was injured when their Alamo rental car
crashed. The family sued Alamo Rent A Car and in 1989 won a $7.7 million
verdict.
	Rental car companies said their biggest problems come in New York and
Hertz officials said in 1988, 1989 and 1990 the company's liability in
New York alone cost more than $70 million.
	Hertz reported it has rejected about 10 percent of drivers who
undergo the driving history check. Accidents involving the company's
rental cars in New York have declined 50 percent.
	``It's amazing how many people are out there without valid driver's
licenses,'' said Michael Olsen of National.
	Jerry Cheske, spokesman for the American Automobile Association, said
the travel agency does not challenge the right of rental companies to
make the background checks.
	Cheske said, however, consumers should be fully informed on the
criteria used to refuse a rental.
	``Then they don't get caught in a situation where they go to rent the
car and are refused because of something they considered minor,'' Cheske
said. ``To get a turndown when you're not expecting it can create a
difficult situation.''


38.154Have rates gone UP?!QETOO::SCARDIGNOGod is my refugeMon Jan 04 1993 11:476
           Anyone renting a car in February?  I just called Budget, which
           had a rate of ~$51 per week last April for a sub-compact, and
           now their rate was $173/week!  She told me the rates haven't
           been the same since hurricane Andrew.  Anyone else heard this?
           
           Steve
38.155Been mentioned recentlyCADSYS::FLEECE::RITCHIEElaine Kokernak RitchieMon Jan 04 1993 18:226
re: .154

Go back and read .150.  It doesn't really have to do with Hurricane Andrew, but
mostly the American automobile industry.

Elaine, who is not looking forward to such a rental charge in March.
38.156Who's the cheapest?QETOO::SCARDIGNOGod is my refugeMon Jan 04 1993 18:5220
           re: .150 

>   There was a pretty good article in Business Week about the reasons.
>   Basically, because the Big 3 auto makers are doing so bad, the perks
>   and discounts and stuff they've been giving to their respective rental
>   agencies (each rental agency is tied to a certain manufacturer) have
>   been less; thus the rental agencies are passing on the cost of doing
>   business to the consumer.

           So, what agencies are NOT tied to a Big 3 automaker?

           Any tied to foreign automakers?

           Whose got the best rate?
           
           I called National, also.  They wanted $148.95/week
           ($36.95/day) for subcompact, and you can get a 10% MKC
           discount, too.

           Steve
38.157I went with NationalILUVIT::GOLDMANLifetime Piling UpTue Jan 05 1993 13:498
    	I'm renting one this week (tomorrow actually - yay!), and went
    with National.  I had checked Avis and Hertz as well.  I reserved
    it a few weeks ago, don't remember now what the exact rate was,
    but it sounds like it's close to what you found.  A week before it
    had been slightly cheaper, but I didn't reserve it (dumb, dumb!)
    cuz I wasn't *positive* about the plans.

    	amy
38.158might as well go DigitalCSC32::B_GRUBBSTue Jan 05 1993 14:3910
    
    re:.154
    
    if that price was the best you could do ($173) might as
    well go with the Digital weekly rate at Avis and get
    the extra insurance thrown in.  Check vtx travel for
    the Avis rates, good for personal travel if you give
    them the corporate account number.
    
    --bert
38.159Yup it's real expensive now. Cars cost $$$$$SSDEVO::RMCLEANTue Jan 05 1993 17:133
  re.-1

  Right.  I got AVIS $289 for two weeks on DEC corporate rate.  Hertz was $400.
38.160Maybe yes, maybe noCSTEAM::STEINHARDTTue Jan 05 1993 20:347
    The last time that I compared rates I did better with the MKC discount
    off of the National quoted rate than I did with the DEC AVIS corproate
    discount.
    
    Cheers,
    Ken
    
38.161Best I could do.....CSC32::B_GRUBBSWed Jan 06 1993 14:358
    
    I made a car reservation for my trip May 29-June 6 and after
    7 calls came up with the lowest 8 day rate from Avis using
    the Orlando MagicCard..........$147 for a compact.  Other quotes
    ranged from 200 to 165 for compacts.  The Digital rate was
    $177 (but it incudes the CDW in the price).
    
    --bert
38.162$177???ISEQ::BENOThu Jan 07 1993 11:4820
    These are the current rates for AVIS as listed in VTX Travel under car
    rentals.  I don't understand AVIS quoting $177 for a compact unless
    with all the TFSO's the VTX people have not updated the rates.
    These rates include free CDW for all personal and business rentals.
    
    
    
                                             Daily      Weekly      Monthly
                  Car Group                  Rate       Rate        Rate
                  ----------------------     ------     -------     -------
                  A - Subcompact             $29.50     $147.50     $531.00
                  B - Compact                 29.50      147.50      531.00
                  C - Intermediate            32.50      162.50      585.00
                  D - Full Size (2-door)      34.00      170.00      612.00
                  E - Full Size (4-door)      35.00      175.00      630.00
                  F - Wagons                  39.50      197.50      711.00
                  G - Premium                 48.50      242.50      873.00
                  V - Mini-Van                48.00      240.00      864.00
    
    
38.163Why tax the voting locals when you can get the tourists?SWAM1::STERN_TOTom Stern -- Have TK, Will TravelThu Jan 07 1993 13:568
    re: -.1
    
    Don't blame the VTX people.  The AVIS rates are only cover how much
    AVIS will colllect from the renter for the week.  I have a feeling the
    amount quoted was the final amount which includes Florida's
    relatively-high "tourist tariffs".
    
    tom
38.164$177 was the standard digital rate for 8 days..CSC32::B_GRUBBSThu Jan 07 1993 14:3217
    
    re: -.1, -.2
    
    read my note carefully....I needed 8 days on the rental and I WAS
    getting the Digital rate at $177  
     
    	$147.50/week + $29.50 extra day == $177 for eight days
    
    Unfortunately the HIGH Florida taxes aren't represented in this
    price. 
    
    I was able to beat this rate with the Orlando MagiCard
    discount which offered me a compact rate of $18.50/day over the 8 days
    (~$148/week). I think an earlier note in the topic told how to get a
    card free by calling or writing, but I can post that info again if needed.
    
    --bert
38.165NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan Rdb/xxx EngineeringFri Jan 08 1993 18:5922
re:-.1

Can you post the Orlando Magic card discount number for Alamo.

When I was there in November, I was running into all the same problem that 
everyone is talking about.

What I would be interested in is if a similar rate structure is still
in place.  I posted this before...but the best deal that I could find for a
*mid size car* from anything '*non-orlando magic card*'...but using
about every other discount under the sun...was between 185.00 and 245.00, I also
had coupons to upgrade this to a full size car.

The orlando magic card *ONLY* at Alamo...got me to something like 119.00 for
the *full size car* rate.

I've been wanting to post the number so that people can get the rates...but 
I've seemed to have lost the card and the discount book that goes with it.

Thanks

Jay
38.166MAGICARD INFOCSC32::B_GRUBBSFri Jan 08 1993 20:2228
    
    looks like they are using a 900 number to get the postage fees
    out of you.......I got mine indirectly through my Dad who travels
    to Orlando all the time.  I assume he picked it up there somewhere
    because he's not the 900 pay call type.
    
    1-900-89MAGIC (on the brochure claims $2.95 for a 2 minute call)
    
    There is an address it claims is for non-US residents...wouldn't
    hurt to try if the $2.95 is too steep for you:
    
    O/OCCVB Orlando Magicard
    P.O. Box 690355
    Orlando, FLA    32869
    
    
     O/OCCVB == Orlando/Orange County Convention & Visitors Burea
         
    BTW, you get a whole brochure pack with the card that tells what
    kind of hotel, restaurant, transportation discounts you can get and
    what numbers to use to get them.  There seem to be some pretty good
    deals on other stuff in there too, that might make the $2.95 a good
    investment.
    
    
    Happy Bargain Hunting,
    
    --Bert
38.168Try these discount numbers, the Alamo and AVIS prices were easily the best.NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan Rdb/xxx EngineeringSat Jan 09 1993 23:2237
    Thanks that will be useful to the people but what I meant was the
    discount number that they have to get the discount price from Alamo.
    
    I looked today for a while and FINALLY found the book....
    
    Call Alamo and give them a try (as I stated earlier I usually use the
    'other companies' but the prices were very high...I called about 20
    times...sometime multiple times to the same company (I think I actually
    called AVIS 10 times with different discount numbers).
    
    Anyways I jotted down the prices in November for the Orlando Magic Card
    
    Car Size	Company		Price		Comment
    ----------------------------------------------------
    Mid size	AVIS		148.91		Discount number B764723
    						(I had a coupon for full
    						  size upgrade)
    Mid Size	Hertz		231.98		Disc# CDP-ID 271354
    						Forget them...
    Full Size	Alamo		119.96		Disc # BY 254026
    						27.20 extra days
    
    Each of these were weekly rates.  Just call and say you'd like to make
    a reservation and have a discount number...quote the number above
    and you'll find the rate for the Orlando Magic Card.  I didn't even
    have to show the card at auto pickup.
    
    Phone #'s:
    
    AVIS - 800-331-1600
    Hertz - 800-654-3131
    Alamo - 800-354-2322
    
    Have a good time.
    
    -Jay
    
38.169I missed the pointCSC32::B_GRUBBSMon Jan 11 1993 14:159
    
    oops.......8^)
    
    didn't realize all you wanted were the individual discount numbers.
    The discount guide is still good info for 'other' discounts
    on hotels and restaurants....
    
    --bert
    
38.170Well I went window shopping....NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan Rdb/xxx EngineeringMon Jan 11 1993 15:2423
    For instance...
    
    I just gave them a call (I was curious)..
    
    told them I'd be arriving Feb 5 and leaving on the 12th:
    
    Using the discount number I gave a few notes ago:
    
    Alamo was for a week:
    
    $87.00 compact
    $103.00 mid-size
    
    Probably about $119 for the full size.
    
    It is not located on the airport property (I think only Dollar, Avis
    and Hertz are...possible National too).  But it is a 5 minute shuttle
    bus ride and there are always shuttle buses.  
    
    Good luck
    
    -Jay
    
38.171JUNCO::ROBROSEMon Jan 11 1993 15:4014
    It depends on your feelings with rental places like Alamo.  They are
    $20 - 30.00 cheaper per week than the on site rental companies but,
    Alamo is a big tourist rental company and the lines can be quite long
    when you do get to their rental plaza.  They will almost always try to 
    sell you an upgrade and as much additional insurance as they can scare
    you into buying.  They usually include a refueling charge and tell you
    to bring the car back empty!  If you have a lot of luggage those
    shuttle busses are no fun.  I generally find that the $20.00 difference
    in price cancels out with being able to return the car at the airport.
    
    I'm glad Alamo is there because it makes the airport rental lines that
     much shorter!!!!
    
    
38.172$69/week for subcompact, AlamoQETOO::SCARDIGNOGod is my refugeMon Jan 11 1993 15:4211
           re: .170 
                
           For another instance...

           I just got $69/week +$20/day +8% airport tax + whatever other
           tax they think of, from Alamo for a SUBCOMPACT (Geo Metro, I
           think) at Orlando (shuttle to their location).  That's with
           RCI discount.

           Steve
                          
38.173I agree the low prices make the lines longer...NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan Rdb/xxx EngineeringMon Jan 11 1993 21:1937
re:.171

I'm just posting this because my experience was similar in some ways, different
in others or 'status quo'.  In my case on a ten day rental I got a better car
from Alamo than I would have received from all other vendors and saved over
$100.00. I guess the extra 30 minutes was worth the money to me.

I usually rent with 'Digital agreements' so I usually rent at the airport.
During this past calandar year I rented three times at the Orlando airport,
once AVIS, once Budget and once Alamo.  I would agree that I had to wait
about 10 minutes longer at Alamo but that is about it.  Each of the rental
companies 'introduced me' to the new way of refueling (it was not offered
November, 1991) in that you can get a cheap price if you return the car empty...
Since you pay a set price on the capacity of the tank upon return.  I refuse
this...because I always return the car full....BTW the refueling charge at 
each of these companies are about the same.  I also find that Orlando is
a 'unique' airport in that AVIS and BUDGET have their cars right at the airport.
But even then I find the carrying of bags from the luggage return to the 
bus to be about the same amount of work as carrying them downstairs to the
AVIS rental desk.  (family of 5 with about 10 bags).

I just wanted to separate this out...

I haven't had a problem with Budget or AVIS with them pushing insurance...
because I have 'wizard numbers' that state that I don't want insurance.  With
Alamo I did get the request for insurance...which I declined and I would also
state that they asked me how I was covered (which to me is a new question).
Anyone renting a car SHOULD KNOW the benefits of your insurance companies and
credit cards...with me I'm doubly covered by both my normal car insurance and
my credit card (as long as I use if for the rental).  Before you travel and
rent a car...check these benefits.

Happy renting...come to think of it they had a 'frequent renter' club...like 
the airlines.  I wonder if it is free, like the airlines...this enabled you
to skip the line entirely.

-Jay
38.174Alamo looks pretty goodCSC32::B_GRUBBSTue Jan 12 1993 15:1720
    RE: .172
       
    	What's the RCI discount?
    
    I booked and Alamo sub-compact on the magicard discount for an 8 day
    rate of $90.02
    
    breaks out like this:
    
    	$71.00	  weekly rate
    	$22.40	  extra day
        $ 6.62    8% airport shuttle fee (8% of $83.40, the total rent fee)
    ------------
    	$90.02
    
    
    Looks like Alamo IS the best deal.......I'll take the shuttle ride
    and save the extra $60 for an EPCOT Center meal!
    
    --Bert
38.175Anyone ever use Payless?CADSYS::FLEECE::RITCHIEElaine Kokernak RitchieTue Jan 12 1993 19:1120
I called every car rental place I could find Monday night (1/11/93), This
is what I found a compact from and to Orlando, March 14 - 21, 1993.

           Weekly     Daily      8 days    Car        Discount used to get price

Thrifty    189.99     29.99      229.98   Shadow
Budget     173.25     24.75      198.00                DEC rate
Hertz      153.89     38.95      192.84                AAA discount, 5%
Budget     161.00     27.00      188.00                Standard rate
National   144.86     35.96      180.82                MKC discount, 10%
Avis       145.79     30.39      176.18                AAA discount
Alamo      146.44     30.99      177.43   Cavalier
Dollar     142.45     26.99      169.44   Shadow
Payless    129.99     29.99      159.98   Escort
Value      130.46     24.26      154.71   2 dr Mirage  AAA discount, 10%

Value only has one model per price category.  The next category up is a 4 dr 
Mirage!

Elaine
38.176How 'bout Florida tax?QETOO::SCARDIGNOGod is my refugeWed Jan 13 1993 18:2112
           re: .174 
       
>    	What's the RCI discount?

           It's a Time-sharing exchange club (Resorts Condominiums
           Int'l).

           Isn't there also a Florida tax on top of all that?  Or is that
           the airport tax?
           
           Steve    
    
38.177CADSYS::FLEECE::RITCHIEElaine Kokernak RitchieFri Jan 15 1993 18:3616
As soon as I typed in .175, I realized my info is incomplete.  I need to call
the agencies back, see if they all charge the airport tax, and see what kind
of cars they each have as compacts.  I'll also ask exactly who is at the airport
and who is not.

I ask the indulgence of those of you who are Orlando experts, but this might
save someone else the trouble I've been going through.

Elaine

re: .176

Florida has a 6% sales tax.  The airport tax is 8%, and has something to do with
rental agencies having the right to have a lot at the airport, or to send their 
shuttle vans to the airport.  Then, there is a state rental car fee of $2.05 per
day on all rentals.
38.178Orlando Magic Card?QETOO::LOMBARDWed Jan 20 1993 18:227
    Can someone please direct me to what topic the Orlando Magic Card
    resides in? I would like to understand what it cost, how it's procured,
    etc;.
    
    Thanks -
    
    Gary 
38.179NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan Rdb/xxx EngineeringWed Jan 20 1993 19:219
    re:-.1
    
    The orlando magic card is free.  I don't think it has had much
    discussion outside this note (starting around reply 165).  You can call
    the 800 number mentioned in note 38.167 to get yours and will give you
    the typical types of discounts on area attractions and services.
    
    -Jay
    
38.180Re: 38.179QETOO::LOMBARDThu Jan 21 1993 12:215
    Thanks for the informantion Jay. I looked into it and found out the
    800 number has changed, it's now 800-551-0181.
    
    Gary
    
38.182CSC32::B_GRUBBSThu Jan 21 1993 14:4611
     I deleted .167 since it apparantly is no longer the right number,
    and to spare the 'nursery' any furthur wrong numbers.
    
    I admit my brochure is a little old so it's possible the number
    changed, but it's more possible I typoed the number.  I'll have
    to check it tonight since I entered the number from home and
    was handling a lot of 'reservation' calling that day (although
    none were for a nursery!).
    
    the 800 number in the last reply worked fine from Colorado ( I called to
    get an updated brochure)
38.183800 Number ??QETOO::LOMBARDThu Jan 21 1993 15:394
    Jay, I called the 800 number mentioned in my note from Massachusetts
    and it worked. You get the recording asking you for your name, etc;.
    
    Gary
38.184800 number now works for meDEWEYD::FEELEYGrowing older but not up...Thu Jan 21 1993 16:375
    
    I tried again after lunch and it worked.  Thanks.
    
    --Jay
    
38.186more on John Maze's trip reportCSC32::B_GRUBBSTue May 25 1993 14:3819
    
    In John's trip report (newest note), I have heard something I
    also heard from other folks about Alamo.
    
    Do they give you an option on the gas business?  In other words
    can you just do like normal rental companies and bring the car back
    full?  If not, how much do they gouge you for the tank of gas, and
    do you get any credit when you return it and the tank is not
    empty?
    
    Also, good tips about the upgrade as I have heard from others
    that they really pour on the pressure for upgrades, insurance
    and associated add ons, to the point where you could nearly
    double your daily rental charge!!!
    
    I'll definitely be on my guard when I get there and try to keep
    my $90 weekly rate from growing significantly....
    
    --bert
38.187common practiceILUVNH::BADGEROne Happy camper ;-)Tue May 25 1993 15:1310
    Its not only Alamo that trys the upgrade scam.  My wife flew down last
    winter and [I think ] national tried it.  She stuck to her guns through
    a LOT of pressure.  They 'gave' her the upgrade in the end as they
    didn't want to she her driving such a small car [crock of you know
    what!].  I complained to the travel agent about the car rental people,
    only so that she could warn others.  she in turn got my wife a 10% 
    discount off her rental bill for the 'overzealous agent'.  In the
    end she had the upgrade at 10% lower than the 'cheap car'.
    ed
    
38.188I expect it always in FL and have canned answers ready.NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan - DEC Rdb, Worlds Fastest DB EngineTue May 25 1993 19:3123
    I've had 'pressure' by AVIS, Budget and Alamo on one of the following:
    
    - To buy the 'gas scam option' the idea is that you pay for the tank
    of gas once and return it as empty as possible OR the usual we will
    fill it for you (at $$$$/gal) OR you can return it full.  - I always
    take the last option....they try and push you into the first option.  I
    can't really remember EXACTLY how it works but basically you pay X $'s
    right up front (which seems to be a reasonable price for one tank of
    gas), and then you don't pay anything for gas when you return.  How
    they make out on this is that most returns have 1/4-3/4 of a tank of
    gas in them when they are returned (and basically you have prepaid them
    for some of this).  [of course they don't pay for any refills you need]
    
    - Car upgrade of x additional $'s.
    
    - Insurance, I always refuse since my car insurance covers me for
    rentals at better...but they seem to pester me each time.
    
    The funny thing is that I have only been run into these problems in
    Florida! Never with any rental in anyother location...including Europe.
    
    -jay
    
38.189CSC32::B_GRUBBSTue May 25 1993 20:1912
    
    yeah, I was hoping the "bring it back full" option was still
    available cause I can hear all sorts of problems with the other
    ways....and I know they'll gladly refill it for you, at $3.00
    a gallon!!
    
    I've rented a lot of cars too, but never had the pressure put
    on, that people keep talking about in Florida.  Florida must be where
    the rental companies make most of their money, so the more
    add-ons the more profit == high pressure to sell these optionals.
    
    --bert
38.190Prefer a full tank when I pick it up and returnFREEBE::NEARYBob NearyWed May 26 1993 02:4938
    re: last few
    
    There are more cars rented in Florida than in the rest of the WORLD
    I've gotten the line about "it's empty now, return it empty" at Budget,
    Alamo,Superior (ha! don't EVER use them). In fact, my first time there
    I was told to return it empty and knew instantly that they were trying
    to beat me out of whatever gas would be in it when I returned it. I
    asked for directions to WDW and left in a huff They told me to take the
    first "Beehive" exit - WRONG ,but now I'm on a toll road and there's no
    turning back - literally state cops around - I can't do a U-turn across
    the grass and -  guess what - next exit 56 miles! and I'm on EEEmpty.
    Of course I'm on empty - the person who had this car before me was just
    as ticked off at this rent-a-car outfit as I am and wasn't going to
    leave a dollar's worth of gas in the car. No cops around - U-turn
    coming up. At toll booth - Ooops, lost my toll ticket - pay max toll.
    Beats running out of gas 30 miles from exit with two kids in car. Nice
    way to start a trip, huh ? Since then Hertz or Avis. They treat you
    like real people. Car's clean and gas tank is full when you get it.
    When I did get packages that included a rent-a-car (like Crimson
    Travel,etc), I never paid for an upgrade but always got one. The trick
    is to be nice and let others go ahead of you in line. I think the last
    agaency I did this with was Superior (ha! again). After letting most of
    the people on the shuttle bus go ahead of me, I get up there and
    they're giving me the "Are you sure you don't want to upgrade:it's only
    $x a day,etc I say "No thanks, I'll take the econo-box." I ALWAYS get a 
    full size car because EVERYONE gets the package that includes a little
    car and there are only so many of those available. Next time you're 
    there, try it . Worst case: if the clerk starts filling out the
    paperwork and you notice them writing GEO Metro,etc on the form, say
    you've changed your mind and do want a full size. And boy,don't they
    try to intimidate you into buying all that insurance ! "Are you sure? 
    You'll be held liable... initial here, and here, and.. all these places. 
    This shows that we explained that you need insurance but are denying
    it." I use a Gold charge card for trip: they pay for coverage. There are
    a number of these cards out there today that don't charge an annual
    fee. If nothing else, get one and just use it for trips. (Mine's with 
    Fidelity Investments). Even if the APR is high- so what - I just use it
    for rental cars. I pay the bill in full when it comes in - so 0% APR.
38.191option or not, trip reports didn't say eitherCSC32::B_GRUBBSWed May 26 1993 14:356
    
    knowone ever answered whether this "bring it back empty" scam is an
    option or if it is the only way that they will rent cars?
    
    --bert
    
38.192NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan - DEC Rdb, Worlds Fastest DB EngineThu May 27 1993 00:495
    My experiences with the bring it back empty was with Budget and Alamo,
    with both it is an option...that you sign for and is on your contract.
    
    -Jay
    
38.185Next Several Notes Moved from Topic 227CUPMK::SCOPAThu May 27 1993 13:134
    The following notes have been moved from topic 227 because they
    specifically deal with car rentals in the Orlando area.
    
    Mike
38.193Not an option at " Superior "DABEAN::NEARYBob NearyThu May 27 1993 18:577
     At "Superior rent-a-car", that was how they did it. It was not an
    option. I don't think they have refilling ability. (No gas pumps on
    premises). So their way around it is to give it to you with whatever
    gas is in it. If it has 1/2 tank when returned by previous renter (when
    you pick it up), they say return it with 1/2 tank. If full they say
    return it full,etc. ...
    
38.194They try to scam me when I'm not in a suit!CSTEAM::STEINHARDTThu May 27 1993 19:1315
    At National, they offered the "bring it back empty" deal, which of
    course I refused, and instead brought our minivan back filled.  
    
    re:  Last few - The only place that I've ever been offered this deal is
    in Orlando, and only when I'm on vacation; they've never offered this
    to me when I'm there on business (visually obvious to them that I'm on
    business, by the tell-tale suit, tie, and button down white shirt).  
    
    Thus, I would suggest that they are trying to scam tourists only, who
    are often not as familiar with rental car policies/procedures as are
    frequent business travelers.
    
    Cheers,
    Ken
    
38.195It's all over nowSWAM1::STERN_TOTom Stern -- Have TK, will travel!Fri May 28 1993 05:3613
    When I rented with Alamo (my first, last, and only time) back in '86,
    "bring it back empty" was not an option; it was the only way they did
    business.  And they spent some hard-sell time trying to get me to
    upgrade and buy insurance, until I threatened to leave if they didn't
    get me the car I ordered NOW.
    
    As far as other places offering these deals, this week I am on business
    in Phoenix, and the Avis here was pushing this "great new deal" where
    you only had to pay for the first tankful of gas.  But while they may
    have been pushing it HARD, it was only an option, which they didn't
    argue with when I declined.
    
    tom
38.196Receive / return it full not an option at SuperiorDABEAN::NEARYBob NearyFri May 28 1993 19:5630
    re: last few and my previous entries.
    
    When I've encountered this gas tank full/empty "scam", it was never an
    option. 
    For example, at SUPERIOR rent-a-car (the Crimson Travel Agency used
    them in their packages deals to WDW) it went like this:
    
    You pick up car - wherever the gas gauge is, they charge you to fill it
    up and tell you to return at same level as when you receive it. So,if
    when you pick up car with 1/4 tank, they charge you for 3/4 tank of gas
    and say return it with 1/4. If you pick it up on 'E', they charge you
    for full tank and they say "return it empty".
    The price they charge for gas is -- WHO knows - whatever they feel like
    charging. How about $1.50 - nice number? Ok pick up Caprice - it's
    empty so if 20 gal tank, they charge 20 x $1.50 = $30.00 for gas. THIS
    IS BEFORE YOU EVEN LEAVE THE PARKING LOT (I'm getting mad just
    retelling this: I was very upset while there). So they charge you $30
    and say return it 'empty'. I said to the clerk " I've never driven this
    car before and I have to figure it's mileage and project what I'll have
    in tank. I'm on vacation,pal. And no I don't want extra insurance,blah,
    blah, blah." Now you have a car with an empty gas tank, and your job is
    to find a station before you run out of gas. For all I know , they
    ciphon any gas that was in the car into their personal cars. How would
    you know ? Think about it. They charged $30 for gas. Kept the $3, and
    kept the gas. Give it to you empty. Charge you another $30..... They
    might be making more in gas sales than they do from renting cars.
    So now if you're not going a lot of places you put $5-$10 in car. Do
    whatever driving you need to do and if all goes well, you'll return it
    with about 1 ounce of gas left in it. Never again. Only Avis or rtz.
    
38.197TECRUS::JIMJim PappasSun May 30 1993 17:3116
    I have never had a problem with Avis, and I hope that Digital never
    switches car rental companies.  On average, I rent about a car per
    week, always Avis.  The car is always clean, usually has less than
    5,000 miles.  Check-out is always fast.  Check-in is now instantanious
    since they swithced to the new hand-held wireless computers.
    
    They never pressure me to buy extra insurance.  They always give you a
    full tank of gas, and ask that you return it full.  I almost always get
    a free one or two class upgrade.  On my last trip to Orlando (just my
    daughter and I).  I reserved a compact, but requested a free upgrade to
    a full sized convertable (normally $11 extra/day) and the clerk was
    nice enough to honor my request.
    
    Finally, when traveling on vacation, I always shop around for the best
    price.  During my three last family vacations to Orlando, I have found
    Avis to be least expensive option when using AAA discounts.
38.198Alamo worked just fine...CSC32::B_GRUBBSTue Jun 08 1993 14:4624
    
    back from the trip........great time, trip report hopefully done
    byu the end of the week
    
    as for rentals, Alamo was just fine.  The bus ride takes no more than
    5 minutes to get to the Alamo plaza.  Whe I walked up to the counter
    with gold card and driver's license in hand the attendant was very
    professional, non-pressuring.  She asked each question only once -
    do you want to upgrade? do you want any insurance? do you want to
    purchase a tank of gas now?  No,No,No, and she never asked again.
    Upon arriving at my spot in the parking lot I indeed had been upgraded
    for no charge from an economy to I believe a sub-compact....Nissan
    Sentra.  The tank was full, and I was instucted to return it full.
    The only suprise was the bill....the original $94 weekly rate was as
    expected but the other $30 worth of airport fees, state taxes, and some
    Florida envirnmental tax were a suprise...oh well probably the same
    charges at any car rental company (excpet for the airport fee for the
    bus ride).
    
    All in all, the rate was excellent, the service was fast and efficient
    and I was pleased with the experience, and still pleased with the price
    as compared to the other rates I was quoted.
    
    --Bert
38.199Another experience!AYOV22::TADAIRWhy do I weep?Thu Jul 22 1993 10:3634
   Back from the trip .... great time . Trip reoport when time allows.

   Thankfully I had read all of these notes and was aware of what lay ahead of
   us.

   We arrived at Dollar and were served quite quicky. The guy started into the 
   do you need an upgrade routine which I refused... we had booked an 
   intermediate anyway ...and then the insurance part , CDW - OK , Top up 
   insurance ( I declined because I was covered anyway through holiday 
   insurance ). This seemed to upset the guy as he gave me the hard sell for 
   five minutes pointing out that if  I...what if...was I aware of the medical 
   situation etc....he then produced the forms to sign without mentioning the 
   petrol situation . I noticed that the form had been pre-filled with a 
   charge of $26 dollars plus tax for the petrol.

   I queried this with him and he gave me the " You need to take this line."
   I asked if I could return the car full whereby he said if I wanted but they 
   don't give refunds. He then proceeded to tot up the bill and included 
   about five separate taxes on the account which gave me a bill of $220 for 
   the two weeks.  I had already pre-paid the car and the upgrade back in the 
   U.K.

   All in all the car was fine , Dodge Sprint , but I felt that the guys from 
   Dollar were rubbing their hands as people around me were shelling out 
   $500 and $600 because they were bissfully unaware of the essentials they 
   needed. 

   I think tha tthis should be emphasised in travel brochures and not in the 
   small print on a remote page.

   Tony.
 


38.200p.s.AYOV22::TADAIRWhy do I weep?Thu Jul 22 1993 10:3913


  As a p.s. to the last note.

  I was reading through the Dollar handout book later in the holiday and I 
  came across a part that said that the car would take between $12- $15 
  for a full tank.

  That shows how much they make on gas.

  P.P.S. I returned the car as empty as possible but there's another story 
  to be told in that at a later date.
38.201Oct,93 trip anxietiesSTUDIO::NDYERMon Aug 23 1993 13:5036
    Hi
    
    I am fairly new to this note.  I am going to WDW Oct 9 this year
    and have requested info here regarding reservations before but
    now am just getting a little overwhelmed I guess, since time is
    running short.  
    
    We have our tickets, hotel and WDW tickets but am concerned about
    our car reservation.  Who has the best prices with the discount,
    for a 4-door with good mileage. We need to rent it for 8 days.
    Also, my sister went in December and rented, reserved with Alamo
    and when she got there they didn't have any car for her and she
    had to wait 24 hrs for one.  Does this happen often?  Another time
    when my father-in-law went to Daytona, they got upgraded with Alamo
    and no extra charge, if they wanted it?  ???
    
    I thought the only discount we got was Hertz or National and price
    is 124./week w/disc and Alamo is 99.00 week.  ??  
    
    Also, another very important question...regarding tickets to
    the park.  We are staying in Kissimee the first week and then
    we are staying at the Carribbean the next 4 nights.  Because we
    will be staying (we were told) on the property for 4 nights we
    can purchase the "Be our guest" pass for 5 days.  So what should
    we purchase for the first week.  We will want to go a couple of
    times anyhow.  Or can we pick up our tickets from the CBR the
    first week and use the unlimited part of it for Typhoon Lagoon, etc
    the first week and the rest when we are on the property?  Will they
    allow this?
    
    I am at studio::ndyer if needed.
    
    Thanks for any info you can give me.
    
    Nancy Dyer (first timer)
    
38.202BOG is trickyWREATH::SCOPAMon Aug 23 1993 14:1010
    Nancy,
    
    Check the earlier replies in this note for help regarding car rental
    options.
    
    BOG passes are good only for the length of your stay...you may want to
    think about a 5-Day Super Duper pass instead....depending upon price
    and convenience.
    
    Mike
38.203Super PassSTUDIO::NDYERMon Aug 23 1993 16:573
    Thanks Mike.  Does the Super Pass allow you to use it endlessly?
    
    Nancy
38.204Official 5-Day Super Duper Pass SchpielWREATH::SCOPAMon Aug 23 1993 17:4315
    No Nancy it doesn't.
    
    The Five-Day Super Duper Pass...
    
    "Includes unlimited admission to the Disney-MGM Studios Theme Park,
    EPCOT Center and Magic Kingdom Park any five days with no expiration
    date. Plus unlimited admission for seven days to Typhoon Lagoon, River
    Country, Discovery Island and Pleasure Island (valid for seven days
    after first visit to the Disney-MGM Studios Theme Park, EPCOT Center or
    Magic Kingdom Park). It also includes unlimited use of transportation
    linking the Parks."
    
    You may want to compare prices (SDP vs BOG).
    
    Mike
38.205don't forget parking charges for the car!AIDEV::KUNGWed Aug 25 1993 16:0519
    Nancy:  as an addendum to .197 on Avis, if you've AAA, ask for discount
    	rates when you make a reservation.  Also, if you've American
    	Express or AT&T Universal, use that and avoid the waiver charges.
    	You can always pay for the car upon return with another credit
    	card.  We got a sub-compact for the week (end of October 1993)
    	from Avis for ~ $86.00.  Keep in mind that (1) 6% tax and 
    	(2) $2.05 per day surcharge for the car in the state of Florida.
    
    	One more possible money drain:  check and see if your hotel has
    	complimentary parking or if they charge per day.  There's a parking
    	charge of $5 or $6 in WDW per day, but you can move your car from
    	one lot to another (EPCOT to MGM, for example) without re-paying.
    	As a WDW resort guest, parking is free for the theme parks but
    	I don't know about the resort hotels since we won't be staying
    	there.
    
    Hope this helps,
    Rae (59 days and counting...!)
    
38.206Free Parking @ the HotelsWREATH::SCOPAWed Aug 25 1993 17:0910
    >>>As a WDW resort guest, parking is free for the theme parks but
    >>>I don't know about the resort hotels since we won't be staying
    >>>there.
    
       Never saw a parking feel associated with any hotels. The only 
       ones that I would expect ever to someday put a fee on parking
       would be only those on the monorail and even then I would guess
       that resort guests would park free.
    
       Mike
38.207exSTUDIO::NDYERFri Aug 27 1993 20:2919
    Thanks for all the info.  It has been real helpful.  I found out
    by calling MET PAY that as long as you have proper coverage on
    your car at home and as long as that car will be unused when you
    are renting then you are covered under your own policy when you
    are renting a car while on vacation.  Good to know but have not
    seen it here in 38 although I have been unable to read ALL of 38.
    What I have read has been very helpful.  
    
    So far we have a Hertz 4-door, compact for 85.00/week for Oct.
    This is w/o any discounts.  We will get discount when we pay/pickup
    I hope.  My hubby made the reservation thru our travel agent.  
    
    34 days and counting....
    
    Thanks for all the help again to everyone.  This notes file has
    been great!  I will definitely do a trip report in the appropriate
    place.
    
    Nancy
38.208UPROAR::EVANSGGwyn Evans @IME (769-8108)Tue Sep 14 1993 09:1014
38.209not a knee jerk reaction, but...15724::ILUVNH::BADGEROne Happy camper ;-)Tue Sep 14 1993 12:0010
    Miami is the last place I'd fly into and drive away!
    If you do do this, please drive only in the day and rehearse your route
    ahead of time.
    I'd also upgrade to something that doesn't look like it came from a
    rental agency, and it would be nice if it wasn't squecky clean.
    you could also make your car look like a normal american car by buying
    a bumper sticker or two and applying it to the back of the car.
    not an I luv florida one, but maybe a Clinton sucks one.
    ed
    
38.210UPROAR::EVANSGGwyn Evans @IME (769-8108)Tue Sep 14 1993 14:098
    
      Well, we had a choice of 1 week each or (most of) the two weeks in
    Orlando, so we went for the latter!  I think that the first day is just 
    arrive, pickup the car, just outside the airport on the east then drive
    to the hotel on the north of the airport, then an early start out of town
    via the main roads.
      I've got a Miami street map which I'll be checking beforehand and we
    should be driving around 5-6pm or so, I guess.
38.211map AND directions and LIGHT15724::ILUVNH::BADGEROne Happy camper ;-)Tue Sep 14 1993 15:5819
    one of the problems even with a street map is that the roads are poorly
    marked.  my sister is a cop in a nearby town and she wont even go near
    Maimi and she carries a weapon all the time.
    I was serious about the bumper stickers.
    and, if not too late, how about an air shuttle between Miami and Orlando
    since you don't plan on doing anything in orlando.
    
    This morning one English tourist was gunned and killed and one wounded.
    I hear they were sleeping in a rest area, not a good thing to do.
    
    My sister still thinks its a good place to live and visit, but extra
    attention to details needs to be done.  for sure the Miami tourist
    bueuro isn't going to help much.
    it is gun heaven.  anyone I know down there doesn't go out without
    a gun on them.
    stay in after dark.
    
    ed
    
38.212AIMHI::OBRIEN_JYabba Dabba DOOTue Sep 14 1993 17:465
    Just for clarification, the European tourists that were gunned down
    were in the northern part of Florida, around Tallahassee (sp).
    
    Julie
    
38.213Further clarificationMAYES::GIBSONTue Sep 14 1993 17:543
    But the German tourist last week was in Miami.
    
    Linda
38.214Problem AreasWREATH::SCOPATue Sep 14 1993 18:3812
    Yesterday's attack took place in the Nortwestern portion of the state.
    
    Miami is in the Southern portion of the state.
    
    On the one hand these types of things frighten people off and on the 
    other hand it may cause others to not only stay on the (WDW) property
    but never leave the property.
    
    Common sense should be used at all times. Yesterday's victims were 
    sleeping at a rest area.
    
    Mike
38.215where can I buy bumper stickers?IOSG::CAMPBELLKDisney DreamerWed Sep 15 1993 10:4212
    Hi,
    
    Where does one buy the bumper stickers?  Being a would-be English
    tourist, I'm rather worried about visiting...There is advice in the
    English press to get bumper stickers, but it doesn't tell you where
    to buy them.
    
    Any help appreciated.
    
    Thanks
    
    Karen
38.21615724::ILUVNH::BADGEROne Happy camper ;-)Wed Sep 15 1993 12:1723
    I've never been to your good country, but bumper sticker here are
    abundant.  They proclaim various messages such as "I never voted for
    Clinton", to "Proud grandfather".  bumper stickers such as I luv
    Florida, or any other tourist trap would further enhance your status as
    a tourist. bumper stickers are about 3inches high by 12 inches long.
    also make sure your luggage is out of sight.  anything that would make
    you look like you weren't local.
    avoid rest areas, drive during the day.  stay only in WDW [;-)]
    avoid Miami.
    remember, the population of Florida is generally POOR.  they thrive on
    tourist activities.  And is a retirement state.
    Tourists on the other hand are viewed as rich/ a ready source of money.
    tourists generally don't have guns [residents mostly do]
    
     I don't think that the crime rate in Florida is any
    greater than any major area.  Tourists may get a disproportionate share
    of 'the business'.
    Saying all that, I will be still headed south in Febuary in my
    motorhome.  There is no greater advertisment for being a tourist than
    the 34 foot by 8 foot home that I drive.
    
    ed
    
38.217IOSG::CAMPBELLKDisney DreamerWed Sep 15 1993 13:0012
    Thanks very much for your advice, Ed.  I don't think it's any worse in
    Florida than elewhere.  My mum had a horrible experience of being
    robbed on the French Riviera, so crime is everywhere.  It's just that
    Florida is popular with the British and the media coverage is very
    great everytime an incident happens.
    
    Where will I be able to buy some of the real American bumper stickers
    from that you describe?
    
    Thanks
    
    Karen
38.218FLORIDA MURDER/ROBBERIESMRKTNG::L_MOORELinda M Moore @TTBWed Sep 15 1993 13:2811
    Hello,
    
    As someone who is planning a trip to Disneyworld in the near future, I
    am a little concerned about the recent murder/robberies in Florida.
    From what I've heard, they are primarily foreign tourists. We will be
    tourists with NH license plates. Has anyone heard of US citizens as
    targets? Also I think the incidents have been in the Miami area.
    
    Any suggestions/comments?
    
    Linda who is horrified by yet more violence
38.219Keep to the TopicWREATH::SCOPAWed Sep 15 1993 14:445
    Any further discussion of the recent violence in Florida should take 
    place in topic 21 "Problems in Paradise". Topic 38 is for information
    on Orlando Car Rental Agencies.
    
    Mike_with_his_mod_hat_on
38.220make a new note?15724::ILUVNH::BADGEROne Happy camper ;-)Wed Sep 15 1993 16:047
    I knew you'd get me.  I wasn't happy about replying negative here as
    there are far too many netagive notefiles.  and this isn't really a
    problem in paradise- wdw, so perhaps you might want to take all our
    rental car- highjacking notes to another topic.  I'm sure other noters
    can help make a sure fire way to help our foreign guests.
    ed
    
38.221Car rentals near the AMTRAKROCCER::KRISHNAFri Oct 15 1993 15:0219
Hi,

This is my first visit to WDW and I travelling by AMTRAK from Boston to 
Orlando in Dec.

I wanted to know if there are any car rentals available near the AMTRAK station.

I am also confused by all the additional charges that everybody seems to be
talking about, like damage waiver, taxes, etc.etc.

What is the recommended insurance coverage one should take ? Do i need it if
I can rent a car from AVIS ?


Thanks,

Krishna


38.222re .221ECADSR::MIZZOU::WIEDEMANFri Oct 15 1993 17:0711
We traveled by Amtrack to Orlando in 1988. At that time they did have one
rental car office in the terminal. I forgot which on it was. But, most
of the other rental agencies will pick you up in a bus and take you
to their local offices.

The Orlando terminal is small.

If you rent AVIS as a Digital employee you do not need to pay for
the insurance, it is included.

Doug
38.223You might be covered...63184::FEENANJay Feenan - DEC Rdb, Worlds Fastest DB EngineWed Oct 20 1993 18:045
If you currently own a car and it is insured...you might be covered under your
current policy when renting a car.  Call your insurance agent...if you got
in an accident then you would be covered the same as your own vehicle.

-Jay
38.224UPROAR::EVANSGGwyn Evans @IME (769-8108)Thu Oct 21 1993 10:224
38.225CDW free with AVIS on ALL rentals (use A126200)ISEQ::BENOThu Oct 21 1993 13:529
    
    From  VTX travel
    
    Personal Rentals:  Avis provides free CDW and $1 Million Liability
    Insurance for personal rentals for both the Digital contracted rates
    and other promotional rates.  The Digital Corporate ID# A126200 must
    be referenced in the rental agreement. Personal Accident Insurance
    (medical) may be considered  on personal rentals.
    Check with personal auto insurance provider for further consulation.
38.226AMTRAK!FPTWS1::ABRAMSCurl up with a good CD-ROMFri Oct 22 1993 11:3518
When we went to Disney by train, we arrived at Kissimmee Station and were
picked up by an AVIS van to get our rental.  (We did have to wait a half
hour for the van, but I expect that was a rare problem.)  When we left,
we went out of Orlando station.   AVIS is just around the corner from there.

If you don't like city driving, then go to Kissimmee.  If you don't mind,
go to Orlando.

By the way,  it is a looong train ride and seats fill up fast these days.
Arrive early, get on the train quickly, so you can get seats together.

Another thing on car rentals -- decline the "prepurchased gas" option.  It's
a huge rip-off that even AVIS has started pushing in vacation spots.  Fill up
the tank yourself and return it full of gas.

Bill

38.227It's not just for vacation places anymoreSWAM1::STERN_TOTom Stern -- Have TK, will travel!Mon Oct 25 1993 23:4511
re:-.1
>>Another thing on car rentals -- decline the "prepurchased gas" option.  It's
>>a huge rip-off that even AVIS has started pushing in vacation spots.  Fill up
>>the tank yourself and return it full of gas.
    
    FYI, It's not just vacation areas.  In the last three months, I have
    rented Avis cars in Seattle, Phoenix, Burbank,  and San Jose.  ALL of
    them are pushing this "deal"
    
    tom
    (who travels on the average of every-other week)
38.228AMTRAK to Orlando...ROCCER::KRISHNAMon Nov 01 1993 17:3122
Hi,

Thanks for the info about car rentals. 
Reply 38.226 mentioned about AVIS car rental being close to the Orlando station.
Can I get some more details on that ?

As per my schedule, I am to arrive at Orlando at 4:30 pm. I called up AVIS and
they say that the car rental closes at 5:00 pm. If the train is late, I might
not be able to get the car.
Anybody have any experience of trains being late ? 

Regarding seats on the AMTRAK. I have a purchased my tickets well in advance, 
but the first leg of my journey to Orlando ie.from Boston to Philadelphia
says '2/UNRESERVED'. I called up AMTRAK and they have assured me that seats
will be available. But what happens if they are not ? 

Anycase I am planning to be at the station real early, as suggested, to avoid 
any problems.

Thanks,

Krishna
38.229AAARGH::LOWELLGrim Grinning Ghosts...Mon Nov 01 1993 18:1612
    I took the train from Boston to Philadelphia over 10 years ago.
    The seats were unreserved.  The train I took originated in Boston
    so it was empty when I boarded.  My friend and I had no trouble
    finding adjacent seats.  We made several stops in Connecticut and
    New York to pick up passengers.  Those passengers seemed to be
    commuters and opted to ride standing up for their leg of the journey.
    I suspect your situation will be similar.
    
    I don't know how timely the Boston to Orlando trains are but in my
    case the train ran on time - maybe plus or minus 5 minutes.
    
    Ruth
38.230late trainsECADSR::MIZZOU::WIEDEMANTue Nov 02 1993 18:4515
When we went down a couple of years ago our train was over an hour
late. To be safe, I would allow 2 hours late if I were you. All kinds of delays
can happen with a train. In our case the train waited at NYC until 
they fixed the air cond (about an hour).

We took the train to Philly and changed trains there instead of NYC.
The train was full everyone got a seat but there is a possibility
that you may not sit together on the second leg of the trip.

Doug

PS I have received the latest Amtrak America booklet; in it they
state that starting soon they will be testing new state of the
art high speed European trains (Sweden's X2000), from Boston
to WDC.
38.231Car rentals info at AMTRAK in Orlando.ROCCER::KRISHNAWed Dec 22 1993 12:4126
Hi all,

Thanks for all your suggestions and advice.

I went to Orlando by AMTRAK on Dec 3rd. The train arrived on time.
I had made reservations with AVIS. None of the car rentals have any office
at the AMTRAK station but many of them offer pick-up service. You need to call
each one and find out. AVIS and Budget provice pick-up service and I had
made reservations with both to make sure.

The AVIS agency is located in the Omni International Hotel located off Rte 4,
and is about 15 minutes drive from the station.
The AVIS pick-up van had already arrived when the train reached the station and
I did not need to call them up from the station.

After all the replies about how car rentals take people for a ride, I was
pleasantly surpised. AVIS people were courteous and never pressurised me for
either the CDW or the prepurchased gas option.

On returning the car, the AVIS agency gave us transportation back to the station.

All in all it was a hassle free experience.

And needless to say, my wife and myself had a great time at the Disney World !

Krishna
38.232NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan - DEC Rdb, Worlds Fastest DB EngineThu Dec 23 1993 19:5213
    I'm going to Orlando for  only a few days (4 days) in January...and
    just wanted to post the best daily rate that I could find (probably
    will not apply to the weekly rate competitions between these companies)
    
    AVIS (Digital Corporate Rate)  midsize - 136.00 [34.00/day]
    Alamo (Orlando Magic Card)	   midsize - 105.76 [26.44]
    Budget (Digital Corp)          midsize - 138.00 [34.50]
    Hertz (AAA)                    midsize -  99.96 [24.99]
    
    Have a good holidays,
    
    -Jay
    
38.233Hertz has good car rental rates...NOVA::NOVA::LUNDFri Sep 16 1994 15:188
    
    Hertz has really good car rental rates for late sept/early oct in
    orlando, originally the rates for this time were about $140/week
    they are now $55.xx/week with the universal studios fan club number.
    This is for an economy car (like a mazda 323)......
    
    		- Annie
     
38.234Also Good through ThanksgivingAIMHI::GIARROSSOFri Sep 16 1994 16:297
    
    I called this morning and reserved one for Nov 26th..
    This is a great price for Thanksgiving weekend.  I used my 
    AAA card number.
    
    Christine
    
38.235Me too on AAAASDG::WATSONDiscover AmericaMon Sep 19 1994 16:467
    
    I just reserved a Taurus on AAA for $99.55/week.  I just phoned Hertz
    (and everyone) last week and it wasn't this low.  Alamo was my low
    price at $113 for a Regal (+ 8.64% airport tax, +sales tax, +$2.05)
    
    Thanks,
    Bob
38.236$100 more to spend!FPTWS1::ABRAMSCurl up with a good CD-ROMFri Sep 30 1994 16:4612
We have a Hertz reservation for our trip to WDW that starts Oct 13.  Called
last night and reduced our total cost from $238 to $126 for one week plus
three days!  

Then we looked through the mail and found this week's issue of Travel Weekly
has the headline "Hertz increases prices 10% across the board."

What a crazy game.

Bill A.

38.237Strange but true...NOVA::R_ANDERSONOracle Corporation (603) 881-1935Mon Mar 13 1995 23:489
    I have no idea how these rental companies figure their rates.  Hertz
    quoted me a mid-size rate of $50+/day (10 days).  National quoted me
    $285 for a full size for 10 days.  I called back 10 minutes later to
    make the reservations and they quoted be $245 for a full size for 10
    days.
    
    Go figure...
    
    Rick
38.238Carfare wars!VAXUUM::FARINATue Mar 14 1995 16:4319
    I'm not sure, but I think it's similar to airlines and price wars,
    except the price wars are often on the local level.  Someone probably
    came up with a deal, so National is competing.
    
    I know there are people in this notesfile who prefer to do everything
    themselves, because they believe they can get better deals that way,
    but I disagree.  My time is worth a lot, so I have a good travel agent
    (you've got to find a good one - I'm related to mine!) who monitors all
    that stuff for me and books and rebooks at lower rates, so I just have
    to call her.  To me, making one call and saying, "This is approximately
    when I want to go, this is how much I have to spend, investigate
    AAA/AmEx/MKC deals, and I don't want to be penalized because I'm single" 
    beats the hell out of spending hours calling the car rental agencies to 
    compare rates; Disney, AAA, MKC, and AmEx to compare room and package 
    rates; and competing airlines to get the lowest airfares.  Just my
    $.02!
    
    
    Susan
38.239Why not use AVIS?EPS::MATTIATue Mar 14 1995 17:5910
    I just went to Florida last month and used Avis.  As Digital Employees
    we can call Corporate Travel (Thomas Cook) and they will book you a
    rental car.  You get Digital rates and can decline the additional
    insurance they offer because you are covered.  My Intermediate car was
    $34/day, or $170.00/week.  With all taxes it came to $195.00.
    
    You can access VTX Travel for all the rates for the different size
    classes.
    
    Donna
38.240MKOTS3::OBRIEN_JYabba Dabba DOOTue Mar 14 1995 19:303
    I'm going to Florida (April 22-29th).  I'm booked with Hertz, with
    my AAA discount the weekly rate for a mid-size car is $99.00.
    
38.241MPGS::PHILLIn casual pursuit of serenity.Tue Mar 14 1995 19:5113
I tend to agree with Susan - it's eaiser to get a travel agent to book as they
can compare prices. I even used the travel agent to book the car only after I
booked the train.

I used Avis on my second Disney trip. They are very convenient being right at 
the airport. I don't think I used the DEC rate. My credit card gives the same 
coverage as the DEC/AVIS deal.

The rental car rates change all the time. Useually there is one company that is 
cutting below everyone else. It's nice when it's one of the better companies.

National used to have a deal with Disney that you got prefered parking at the 
parks which is nice if they happen to be cheap at the time you want to go.
38.242On line rates?MIZZOU::WIEDEMANWed Mar 15 1995 12:576
Has anyone used any of the online services (ie AOL) to check car 
rental rates or airfare rates?

I think you can also make reservations for hotel rooms,etc.

Doug
38.243Special for United TravelersCSC32::B_GRUBBSWed Apr 19 1995 15:3112
    We are going to Orlando May 13-23.  I initially reserved a compact
    4 door with Alamo using the Orlando Magicard for $233 for the whole
    ten day + tax & airport fee.
    
    Yesterday I called on a whim to see if rates had changed.  I got a
    better rate than the Magicard because of an Alamo special for 
    United Airlines fly-ins ...... $197 for ten days + tax + airport fee.
    
    IF your flying in to Orlando on United, call Alamo and ask them about
    a special rate for travelers coming on on United Airlines.
    
    --Bert
38.244Can't fake itCSC32::B_GRUBBSWed Apr 19 1995 18:037
    
    BTW, on the ALAMO special rate for United Airlines travelers you
    won't be able to fake it....they expect to see a boarding pass or
    return ticket showing you actually flew in on United.
    
    --bert
    
38.245National Double Car Class UpgradeMKOTS3::OBRIEN_JYabba Dabba DOOWed Apr 19 1995 21:127
    .243 Bert - National has a rate of $195 for 10 days (110.99/week
    then 27.99/day).  You can get this rate for a sub-compact and then
    with Coupon# 5036893 you get a double car Class Upgrade (GrandAm/
    Corsica).  The coupon came from the Disney Video.  Not sure if
    you need to present coupon at time of check in.
    
    Julie  
38.246CSC32::B_GRUBBSWed Apr 19 1995 23:4310
    
    thanks for the tip Julie.....
    
    >>The coupon came from the Disney Video
    which video?  The trip planning video?  I don't remember seeing
    this coupon anywhere.  Usually for the class upgrades you 
    need to give them the coupon.  
    
    --bert
    
38.247ASABET::EARLYLose anything but your sense of humor.Thu Apr 20 1995 03:0015
    B_   I wouldn't rent from Alamo again on a bet. Unless things have
    changed in the last couple of years, their lot is WAY out of the way in
    comparison to the other car rental companies (like a 15 minute bus
    ride?). We rented a compact car from them, took a look at it and said
    'no way'. We couldn't have gotten the four of us and our luggage in it.
    
    We ended up doing an upgrade. By the time I paid the extra for the
    upgrade, and all the additional taxes and insurance, etc. It would have
    been cheaper for me to reserve a car thru Digital's travel agent and
    just pay the DEC rate with no 'special deal'.
    
    Don't wanna throw cold water on your trip, but you may want to shop
    Avis and Hertz before you land in Orlando.
    
    
38.248Thanks for the warning, but...CSC32::B_GRUBBSThu Apr 20 1995 04:5422
    
    I've read (here) negative things about ALAMO, but I've used them on two
    previous trips to Orlando and never had any problems.  This is the
    first time I ever found a rate to beat the Magicard ALAMO rate....
    and it turned out to be with ALAMO anyway.  The NAtional deal
    someone mentioned before sounds good, but you probably need the coupon.
    Believe me I've tried every angle, coupon, discount number I can
    get my hands on and I still come back to ALAMO.
    
    The bus trip is a little bit of nag, but I can stand a 15 minute
    bus ride to save a few bucks....the upside is it ain't hard to find
    your way out of the airport, or back in to return the car since you
    don't enter/exit the Airport!
    
    I can also see how anybodies compact would be tough on a 4 person family.
    Just me and my wife though...hell we could get by on a sub-compact if
    we needed to.
    
    
    --Bert
    
    
38.250MKOTS3::OBRIEN_JYabba Dabba DOOThu Apr 20 1995 16:089
    Bert, the coupon came with the Disney Planning Video.  There's also a
    coupon on the back of Cherrios, the same deal - National Free Double
    Car Class upgrade.  Also, the coupon is required when you pick up the
    car.  The cancellation fee is $25.00 and you must pre-pay when you
    reserve the car.  Are you interested in the coupon, if so I'll mail
    it off to you.
    
    Julie
    
38.251HDLITE::SCHAFERMark Schafer, Alpha Developer's supportThu Apr 20 1995 19:126
    gotta friend in Orlando?  If so, you can be really, REALLY cheap and
    ask them to ferry you to the Alamo rental center.  If you don't use the
    airport bus, they will waive the airport fee.  The fee, by the way,
    applies to every day of your car rental.
    
    Mark
38.252National deal slightly differentCSC32::B_GRUBBSThu Apr 20 1995 21:4515
    
    Hi Julie,
    
    I tried to setup a reservation on the National Double upgrade coupon.  
    Sounded good, $194 for ten days on a sub-compact - double upgraded to 
    larger car for free.  Since this is the pre-pay rate she took my credit 
    card info......then went off for about 5 minutes.
    
    When she came back she said you CANNOT use a prepaid rate and the
    double upgrade coupon togethor. That throws their rate back up to
    something like $240 no matter how you look at it.
    
    Guess ALAMO wins out again....
    
    --Bert
38.253another angleTPSYS::FEELEYGrowing older but not up...Tue Apr 25 1995 20:2026
    
    Bert,  here's another angle to try...
    
    I was just down in Florida for 10 days and I needed a car for 9.  Since
    we were arriving in Miami late at night, I booked a room at the Howard
    Johnson hotel near the airport.  When I booked the room through the
    HoJo 800 number, they asked me if I needed to rent a car.  They said
    they had a special deal with Alamo, so I said why not.  I already had a
    reservation through Alamo (the best rate I could find - it would have
    cost about $200 plus taxes for a subcompact).  They then transferred me
    to Alamo, who quoted me a rate of $90/wk and $18/day for a compact car. 
    I quickly said yes, then found out that it was a prepaid rate, which I
    figure was still worth it.  Might be worth a try to make a reservation
    at a HoJo, get the Alamo special, pay for it, then cancel the HoJo
    reservation.
    
    Note: it might not be in effect, or be the same, for Orlando.  My
    special rate was for Miami.  Since I wanted to pick up the car on Apr.
    16 (Easter), it wasn't available.  So I reserved a car for one day, to
    be dropped off in Ft. Lauderdale.  Then I wanted the special on Apr. 17
    from Ft. Lauderdale.  It was available, but it cost $92/wk and $20/day. 
    So, it may be different for Orlando, but it is still a lot better than
    their regular rates.
    
    --Jay
    
38.254worked pretty goodCSC32::B_GRUBBSTue Apr 25 1995 21:1517
    
    worked like a champ, Jay.
    
    They didn't have any prepaid rates.  HoJo transferred me to Alamo
    and they quoted me $111.59/week, + 2 days at $22.94 + 1 free day.  Total
    cost for ten days $157.47 + tax/airport fee. That's a good $40 cheaper 
    than the best rate I'd found so far!
    
    All they need to see for the car reservation is a United boarding pass.
    Nothing needed from HoJo whatsoever....will cancel the HoJo reservation
    tomorrow then check on the Alamo reservation in another week to make
    sure there was no cross-checking.  8^)
    
    thanks,
    
    --Bert
    
38.255NOVA::FEENANJay Feenan - Rdb EngineeringTue May 02 1995 13:3326
    I just wanted to put a good word in for Alamo.  First out of the about
    6-7 times that I've been down there they ended up being the least
    expensive option.
    
    In regards to the car size [someone mentioned that in an earlier reply]
    I usually get a midsized car or a full size car.  If you rent from
    Alamo or Avis they basically use the same car manufacturers and you
    have the *exact same* choices for car models [usually GM models].
    
    In regards to the bus ride, yup I agree it is a pain.  But on the other
    hand I've rented with Hertz and either budget or Avis [can't remember]. 
    A friend of mine was down there last week and he ran into the same
    problem as I did one of these times.  We arrived at the same time of
    night.  I took the bus to Alamo and they had plenty of people 'on duty'
    and was out of there with little wait.  Since they must have had 15
    people in this huge complex writting up cars.  My friend ended up with
    a convenient walk to the Hertz counter but had a long wait due to only
    a few stations, manned only by one person.
    
    Another tip with any of the car rentals that I have not seen mentioned
    is to drop off the family and luggage at the curb side checkin and then
    return the car.  Saves a lot of time and work...
    
    Jay
    
    
38.256Enterprise?ASDG::WATSONDiscover AmericaFri Jun 30 1995 19:165
    
    	Has anyone attempted to try Enterprise?  From the DCU car 
    	action they seem to have a good vehicle selection available.
    
    	But how would they operate?  I think I'll give them a call.
38.257Avis or Alamo?ASDG::WATSONDiscover AmericaWed Jul 19 1995 16:3311
    re -1
    Well, Enterprise was $$$.  Actually, everyone seems to be expensive
    except...Alamo  Here's the choice for a 10 day rental:
    
    	Alamo FULL size car: $188 with 8.64% added 
        Avis MID size car: $204 (but as a WIZARD member I should get
                           upgraded but I'm not sure if I will)
    
    Avis is on site and no waiting in any line with WIZARD.  Seems worth
    the extra $16 over 10 days if I get the full size upgrade.  This is
    not the DEC rate. This is the Sheraton Club rate or WIZARD rate (-30%)
38.258update on best deals in Orlando?MOVIES::CHANDLEYThu Jan 04 1996 13:3810
    I plan to be in Orlando during Easter does anyone know where the best    
    deals are to be had?
        
    Thanks in advance,
        
    Adrian
    (Scotland)
        
    Cross posted in Florida notes file.
    
38.259Try on-site agencies in OrlandoMEMIT::BATORThu Jan 04 1996 14:255
    I just booked a car thru Avis for a week in March in Orlando. Avis is
    one of the few car rental firms that have their cars at the airport.
    The others are "off-site" and you have to take their shuttle bus/van
    to get there.  ANd, starting this year, you pay for that van
    thru a surcharge on the rental.  Their rates were competitive.
38.260my upcoming tripCSC32::B_GRUBBSThu Jan 04 1996 15:2714
                                                
    I signed up for Autovantage on AOL, it's kinda like a car club and
    they had a 3 month trial for $1.
    
    Using their discount numbers for a mid-size car for 8 days (Jan 13-21):
    
    Avis - $117
    Alamo - $116
    
    I'll post the others when I get around to checking them, but I'm
    inclined to go Avis since it's right there at the airport.
    
    --bert
    
38.261with those rates, Avis is cheaperDAGWUD::FEELEYGrowing older but not up...Thu Jan 04 1996 16:5517
38.262HYLNDR::BADGERCan DO!Thu Jan 04 1996 17:429
    when we picked up the Hertz, we noticed that all car companies moved
    off the airport and shuttle people to them.  I don't know if it's true
    for Avis, but all the others are off site now.  Hertz with Universal
    card was cheaper for our period.  and since we got picked up at train
    station, we didn't have to pay the airport tax.  just say you came in
    from the train when you get there.
    
    ed
    
38.263Thanks!MOVIES::CHANDLEYFri Jan 05 1996 13:234
    Thanks for the info!
    
    Adrian
    
38.264No shuttle tax on AvisMEMIT::BATORFri Jan 05 1996 14:094
    re: .259, .261, .262
    After reading this, I called Avis again to confirm that there is
    NO shuttle tax on my rental.  I *assume* this means they are
    still on-site. 
38.265MKOTS3::OBRIEN_JYabba Dabba DOOFri Jan 05 1996 14:1819
    It all depends on the time of year you're down there, how many months
    in advance you reserve the car, and what type promotions you're
    qualified for (ie Frequent Flyer, Corporte Discount, AAA, Wizard, etc). 
    Also, there's a $2.05/day for some kind of surcharge, plus a local sales
    tax not sure what that is.
    
    For National with MKC discount your can rent a Mid-size car for that
    week for $142.49 (plus taxes).  To get this rate you have to prepay
    and then there would be a $25 cancellation fee.  Without discount
    it's $191.99.
    
    Avis with Corporate Discount is $170.00, frequent flyer was something
    like $229.
    
    Hertz is $225.99 with Corporate Rate.  They also charge an 8.64% adder
    to this for an Airport Tax/Use of their shuttle.
    
    Have fun,
    Julie
38.266maybe the shuttle tax no longer appliesDAGWUD::FEELEYGrowing older but not up...Fri Jan 05 1996 14:2316
    
    I have always wondered why the off-site shuttle tax was in effect in
    Orlando but not in Miami.  The only thing I could think of was that if
    all the rental agencies are off-site, they don't apply the tax.  But if
    there are some on-site, then the off-site ones are taxed.
    
    If all the rental agencies have moved off-site in Orlando and the
    shuttle tax has been removed, then my guess would hold up.
    
    For a while, we always flew down to DW because we kept getting bumped
    and could get free tickets for our next trip.  But once that ran out,
    we have been driving down -- so we haven't needed to rent a car for a
    few years.  I guess things have changed quite a bit.
    
    --Jay
    
38.267CADSYS::RITCHIEElaine Kokernak Ritchie, 225-4199Fri Jan 05 1996 16:075
I was just there a couple of weeks ago.  Avis is at the airport, as is Budget. 
There was one other, too, but I don't remember which.  Hertz and Alamo are
definitely off-site.

Elaine
38.268my .02FABSIX::T_BEAULIEULike A steam LocomotiveFri Jan 05 1996 16:349
    
    I rented from Alamo (off-site) in October. I liked having it offsite
    it was easier to get to when I was leaving rather than driving to the
    Airport. I had a hard time returning a car to National at the airport
    the last time I was in Orlando, and liked the offsite option better.
    
    
    Toby 
    
38.269Value, $120/week inc LDWMOVIES::CHANDLEYMon Jan 08 1996 15:2816
38.270That is strange since it is a BIG $$$ cowSSDEVO::RMCLEANMon Jan 08 1996 16:501
  Including LDW is VERY VERY strange.  Better double check it.
38.271Perhaps its an aide to attract tourists?CHEFS::WARRENJTue Jan 16 1996 09:0414
    re LDW
    
    
    After calling a few places direct in the USA and in UK, we used the AMEX 
    office here in REO to book a vehicle for our trip to Florida next
    month.  They offered the best deal financially and the price also
    included LDW and unlimited mileage.   
    
    I think it is common for insurance to be included in the cost of car
    hire here - but it is a long time since I've had to do that!
    
    Jackie
    
    
38.272what the heck is it??CNTROL::CHILDSWashing MachineTue Jan 16 1996 12:554
    
    LDW????
    
    mike
38.273You break it you pay BIG time...SSDEVO::RMCLEANTue Jan 16 1996 15:392
  Limited Damage Waver.  I.E.  You bend the car they don't charge you $25k to
replace it!!!
38.274CNTROL::CHILDSWashing MachineTue Jan 16 1996 15:431
    thanks
38.275MKOTS3::OBRIEN_JYabba Dabba DOOWed Mar 20 1996 17:5917
    We went with Hertz, only because we had a better deal.  10% discount
    with AAA and then I had a "coupon" for a free upgrade.  If I had
    realized what a pain in the butt getting the car would've been, I would
    have used either National/Avis/Budget since they are the only ones at
    the airpot.  They did not charge me the 8.64% tax they had indicated
    when I booked the car, why - I have not idea.  The taxes they do charge
    you are $2.05/day and the FL state tax of 6%.
    
    Tip: for those of you who do use Hertz.  Call Hertz or stop by a Hertz
    and pick up an application to be a Hertz #1 Member.  Cost you nothing,
    what it gets you in Orlando is that the bus drops you at a different
    car terminal and you get in and out.  We had to wait in a mile long
    line (30 valuable disney minutes), I wish I had known this prior to our
    vacation.
    
    Julie
    
38.276Avis is a good choiceESOSRV::BATORThu Mar 21 1996 13:508
    Just got back from a week in Orlando.  Used an Avis car, got it
    at airport, no problems. Big waiting lines on Saturdays but they
    have extra people to keep it moving. Waited maybe 10 minutes, then
    10 minutes more until car appeared across the street in the garage.
    Very convenient. Booked it thru CitiTravel, got 42% off, plus
    frequent flier mileage since I used a "partner" airline, plus
    5% cash back from CitiTravel when all my trip receipts are sent to
    them.  
38.277SQZBOX::JOCONNORThu Mar 21 1996 16:373
    What is CitiTravel?  I have a car booked with Avis for August, and I am
    getting mileage and a discount with American Airlines, but would be
    willing to try for a better rate.
38.278Cititravel clubESOSRV::BATORFri Mar 22 1996 13:404
    re: -1  CitiTravel is the travel club for Citibank credit card
    holders. It costs $49 a year.
    
    - dick
38.279Drop off feesGLADYS::HUISHLife is a Cabernet ...Fri Mar 22 1996 18:5611
	We are planning on visiting WDW/Orlando and then driving up to Boston.
	We have heard of some horrific stories about car drop off fees.  Is
	there specific companies that do not have those fees?  Is there one
	copmany who is worse than the others?


	thanks,

	pete

38.280XTATIC::CHILDSWed Mar 27 1996 19:5413
Just got back from a trip last week and we used Value. Not too bad at all.
Getting the car was nightmare as we waited about an hour. Cost for a midisze 
was 123.00 bucks with unlimited milage. Unfortunately due to size of my family
and the amount of luggage I had I needed an upgrade. The upgrade was an
additional 8 bucks a day for a total of 56 bucks extra but was worth it. Check
out was a breeze as I just pulled into the lot an employee checked out the car
for dings and scratch and to make sure I had refilled the tank and that was
that. The bus was right there to take us over to the airport without a wait.
SO while checkin was tough, checkout was a breeze. I used my cousin's travel
agency so I'm not sure if I got an AAA discount but I can check.

mike
38.281National ratesMIZZOU::WIEDEMANThu Apr 04 1996 15:3915
I called the Disney Vacation Club for the rates for our
July trip:

National Rental Car located at the the airport.

	Compact - $134/week - extra days at $29 each.

	Intermediate - about $155 - extra days at $31 each. 
	
	plus 6% tax - plus $2.05/day.

I am not sure if this is just for Disney Vacation Club members or
not but, it is $35/week cheaper than my travel agent could get.

Doug
38.282Help about insuranceULYSSE::PIALETPascale, MCS Valbonne, 828-5691Tue Apr 09 1996 08:528
    We are going to Florida from April, 28th until May, 17th.
    We don't have booked a car yet.
    We have a rate at Avis (120$ a week, without taxes, airport charges,
    and insurance).
    Any advice about insurance : what to take or avoid ?
    
    Thanks,
    Pascale.
38.283HYLNDR::BADGERCan DO!Tue Apr 09 1996 12:0422
    call your insurance company and see if it covers you for a rental car.
    
    of course you may be subject to your deductable if you are in an
    accident.
    
    then be ready for the hard sell.  I don't know about Avis, but my
    experience at Hertz was bad.
    I could repel their threats on my first born, threats of snow, a bad
    vacation.  But the line that really grabbed me was this:
    
    "if you are in an accident, your insurnace *may* pay us, but you will
    be responsible for -loss of use- while the car is being repaired.  That
    could be 3 weeks or more."
    
    ask yourself how you'd respond to THAT line.  I'd like to see comments
    on that line from others in this notefile.
    
    don't buy the gas.  there are thousands of gas stations you can fill
    up at easy.
    
    ed
    
38.284Is there a lawyer in the house?MIZZOU::WIEDEMANTue Apr 09 1996 12:389
Just wondering if anyone has a lawyer buddy or someone
who really knows what these car rental companies can
do to us if we decline their insurance ?

I have a gold Visa and they claim to cover car rental
damages if I charge the rental to their card. Anyone
have any experience with this ?

Doug
38.285ZEKE::CAMILLERITue Apr 09 1996 18:407
    
    just for info, I rented a car from dollar back in February when
    I was down there, no hassle, and when they asked me about insurance,
    I said NO THANKS, and that was that!
    
    
    
38.286Transport options if staing within DisneyVYGER::KIRKPATRICKIIAN KIRKPATRICK@AYOMon Aug 26 1996 08:0638
    After a great vacation in Orlando two years ago, I'm considering a 
    another vacation in Orlando in August 1997. This time staying at the 
    Disney Caribbean Beach Resort.
    
    I'd also like to re-visit other areas (e.g. Universal, Seaworld, Busch
    Gardens), but I don't want or need a rental car for the full two
    weeks, but I'd like to compare the costs between full 2 weeks rental
    and the other options.
    
    What I'd like to know is the cost and availability of short-term car 
    rental, bus excursions, and taxicabs from WDW to other areas.
    
    CAR RENTAL
    I've contacted WDW, and there is a car rental company (National Car
    Rental) with a station on Disney property - anyone had dealings with
    them while staying within Disney, and what would the costs be.
    
    TAXICABS
    Can anyone supply the cabs rates from Disney Caribbean Beach to say
    Universal and Seaworld, and are cabs allowed into WDW to pickup 
    passengers.
    
    BUS EXCURSIONS
    "Disney does not provide transportation to outside properties"
    That was the answer to my query of excursion from WDW by Disney.
    How can I get to Busch Gardens. 
    
    Thanks,
    
    Ian Kirkpatrick.
    
    P.S. 
    Prices at the Caribbean Beach for the 1997 season will start at $114
    and go to $139 per night.
    
              
    
    
38.287DECWIN::MCCARTNEYMon Aug 26 1996 15:238
    For the rental car, call National and ask.  They will gladly give you
    rates as they would be now.  I'm sure they won't give you rates for 
    a year from now.  Also, rates may vary depending on when you make the
    reservations.  Be sure to ask for the MKC discount.  That's cutting the
    cost substantially for us (we're going next week for 3 weeks in Ga and
    WDW combined!)
    
    Irene
38.288MKOTS3::OBRIEN_JYabba Dabba DOOThu Aug 29 1996 15:177
    .286 - If you're going to reserve a car, I'd do it now.  I confirmed
    a reservation with Avis back in March for our trip in April 97.  Got a
    rate of $118.64 for a full size.  Now my brother is going the same time
    and for a mid-size with Avis it's $203.  So book early.
    
    Julie
    
38.289Dollar SALEASDG::WATSONDiscover AmericaMon Oct 14 1996 11:5513
38.290WMODEV::OCONNOR_JMon Oct 14 1996 13:345
38.291I'll know WedASDG::WATSONDiscover AmericaTue Oct 15 1996 11:552
38.292Dollar Deal returnsASDG::WATSONDiscover AmericaMon Dec 02 1996 15:3415
38.293Dollar $189/wk - vanXMAILR::BATORWed Mar 26 1997 18:257
    Used Dollar two weeks ago.  Took 5 minutes from counter to
    drive away. (Dollar is one of the 4 agencies that has its
    cars in the terminal.)  Need a van, so it cost us $189/week
    for a 7-passenger Dodge Grand Caravan. No complaints.  Even
    though Saturday of Spring Break week and Daytona race finals
    is usually quite busy, coupled with the 85 degree weather this winter
    it was a breeze!!