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Title:The Disneyphile's Disney File
Notice:This Conference can show you The World
Moderator:DONVAN::SCOPA.zko.dec.com::manana::eppes
Created:Thu Feb 23 1989
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:536
Total number of notes:19961

183.0. "1990 Trip Reports" by INDMKT::GOLDBERG () Tue Apr 10 1990 16:22

    So you just got back from your Disney vacation.  You have 847 unread
    mail messages.  Your project slipped four weeks in the one week
    you were away.  You have a major customer presentation tomorrow
    you have to prepare for.  And your boss wants to see you NOW.
    
    But first things first.
    
    Tell us all about the trip.  What's new in the park?  What's open
    and what's closed?  How were the crowds?  What went well, and what
    didn't?  Did you see the Mouse?  
    
    Don't leave out any details.  We need to know.  We need our fix. 

    See note 182.* for hints on compiling your report.
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183.1RELECTIONS ON DISNEYAKOV12::CJACQUESEverything's coming up rosesMon Jan 29 1990 12:16104
    Ok, I'm going to try to not to be too wordy with my report, as I
    believe you've heard it all before.  
    
    I was down south last week, Jan 20-27.  I have to say we had to have
    picked one of the best times.  I pretty much followed all the hints
    given in the file (had them all printed out and brought them with me).
    
    The weather was great all week, 72-80 degrees every day.  The lines
    in the parks (MGM/MKC/EPCOT) were minimal.  The longest we waited
    anywhere was about 20 minutes, and I would say that was only twice. 
    The remaining attractions were 10 mins or less.  But, I believe that
    was also due to the order in which we did things.  Later in the week,
    the places we had already done were a lot busier.
    
    Ok...Sunday we went to Seaworld.  One hint:  Take the "backstage tour"
    here.  We found that pretty enjoyable.
    
    Monday: MGM.  First thing we did was the Backlot Tour.  (Rick waited
    in line while I ran over to the Prime Time Cafe and booked lunch
    reservations as suggested in these notes).  The wait at this attraction
    was only ten minutes, AT THAT TIME, later was a lot longer.  By the
    time we had our lunch (12:30) we had completed all of the park except
    the Indiana Jones Stunt show and the Superstar Theatre.  The line for
    Indiana snaked around most of the park.  We went through the Animation
    building then went home. (One thing I'd like to mention, the food at
    Prime Time was very good, but I didn't think the chicken pie was that
    great at all.  To each his own...)
    
    Monday night: We spent at Church St. Station.  This had to be the best
    night we had all week long!  We had a discount ticket to get in all the
    clubs, and had a ball!  We hit all the shows and some twice!  Do not
    miss this place!!!!
    
    Tuesday: MKC.  Did this in one day. As soon as we arrived we made lunch
    reservations at Tony's Pizza (or whatever the name is) as suggested in
    these notes.  This was a great place to eat!  Anyways, we crossed the
    whole park and went to the Haunted Mansion first, then the Thunder Mountain
    Railroad.  We had hoped this would help to avoid lines later, but to
    tell the truth, there weren't any long lines later!
    
    Tuesday night:  Dinner at a really great place called Darryl's (on
    International Drive).  A "MUST EAT THERE" place.  The food was
    delicious and prices, atmosphere, great.  Then we went miniature
    golfing at one of the many Pirates' Cove in the area.
    
    Wednesday:  We did the "rides" section of Epcot, Futureland (or
    whatever it's called).  I was crazy over the Cranium Command, and
    didn't like Body Wars for all the previously mentioned reasons.  The
    Star Wars Tour at MGM just blows this ride away.  All the other
    attraction were fascinating, and I've been there before!  
    
    We were ahead of schedule at this point in time (we had a five day
    pass), so we quit Epcot around 1:00 and took the monorail back to MKC
    to buy a sweatshirt I had seen the day before.
    
    We had intended on spending the evening at Pleasure Island, so we
    decided to go and get our tickets early, go home, and come back later.
    We went right to XFR's, as notes had suggested.  They no longer have
    that deal where you can get a ticket early to get in the rest of the
    clubs free.  All they have, is if you go there between 5:00 and 7:00,
    you get a stamp that will get you into XFR's anytime for the rest of
    the night.  With the drink prices so high in that area, and considering
    how much we enjoyed Church St. Station, we decided not to return to 
    Pleasure Island that night.  Instead we had a real pleasant dinner at
    the Olive Garden.
    
    Thursday: The countries at Epcot.  We found them all quite lovely and
    no lines anywhere.  We had opted NOT to eat in Epcot due to the fact
    that we both are such "meat and potatoes" people and we wanted to see
    the Illuminations that night.  We didn't want to be there *all* day and
    night, so we quit half way through the day and went back to I-Drive for
    lunch and change of clothes.  We returned to Epcot around 5:00 evening
    and completed what we had missed then stuck around for Illuminations.
    
    Friday:  This was our mish-mesh day.  We went back to MGM and did the
    two attractions we had missed.  We went back to Epcot and got some 
    pictures we had missed.  Both parks were mobbed!  We were so glad we
    had gotten to MGM early and were the first in line for the Indiania
    Jones show!  Also, were so happy not to be waiting in the lines we saw
    at Epcot.  Then we did some souvenier shopping.
    
    Friday night: HOOP-DE-DOO!  Two thumbs up!  Only bad thing to say about
    that was the ribs were horrible!  100 percent fat!  We were
    hard-pressed to find a piece of meat on the bone!  Maybe it was an
    "off" night, I don't know, but they were horrible.  The chicken was
    great though.  And the show was great.  We were surprised to see one
    of the characters in the show (Jim Dandy) was the same guy that had
    played Harrison Ford at the stunt show in MGM that morning!
    
    Saturday:  We had all day free (we weren't supposed to fly out of
    Orlando till 11:50 that night, as it was, we didn't flyout till
    1:30a.m.)  My folks have a mobile home out by the west coast, so we
    drove over there and spent the day lounging in the sun and reading our
    books.  Money and energy were both pretty low by that time, so it was
    the perfect way to end our vacation.
    
                                           THE END
    
                                              cj *->
    
    p.s.
    
    I welcome any mail with any questions you may like
    answered.  AKOV12::CJACQUES
183.2Badger's trip reportOVRDRV::BADGEROne Happy camper ;-)Mon Mar 05 1990 01:08218
Well, I'm not much for words, but here goes at my last trip.
I think I may have reached Disney-burnout.  I'm not even thinking
of another trip for at least two years.  I answered to myself what
I think is wrong with the rapid expansion - cast members that may
not have made it in the past are hired because they are bodies.
And retained even when they should have been fired.

    I did send a post card.  But it may not get to Len if the
    mail room isn't creative.  You see, I put a copy of the address
    in my wife's purse/  she cleaned it out prior to our trip.
    I addressed it to Len via one iron way in Marlboro.  We'll see
    if it comes in...
    
To get the biggest of my beefs off my back, its transportation.
To survive, Disney has got to get creative with its solutions to
getting people from one place to the next.  Diesel busses are not
a good solution, but seems to be the only idea in town.  The TTC
smells worse than NYC.  And a trip from the Village to the TTC can take
an hour!  And they are uncoordinated.  If three busses are assigned 
to a route a nice thing to do is to space them out.  Now way, all
three busses follow each other's bumpers.

The report:

2/16  Friday Scheduled to leave a 3pm, but since school was called off,
we we able to get out at 12 noon.  Weather not the best but roads were
OK after Nashua.  Traveling in a 34' motorhome, 4 kids, wife and I.
We pulled into a Maryland rest area at 10pm for a couple hours rest.
On the road at 3AM arrived in Florida at 10PM.  Couple hours rest
and in Daytona at 2AM.  In time for the Daytona 500.

Monday- Beach day in Daytona.  Water was hot.

Tuesday 2/20 Started to WDW.  Made a pit stop at Camper's world in Kissame
       Arrived in Fort Wilderness.  Extended stay in Fort Wilderness
	by one day.  for 8 nights.  MKC not good during prime time
	at Fort Wilderness.  Full $46 +$2.5 + $1.5 resort tax.
	Fort Wilderness isn't a campground, it's a resort and you
	get socked the extra tax now.

	The first thing we like to do is to hop on the tram and
	cruse the campground.  Our first disappointment was to find
	they don't run the tram in the campground anymore.  Only
	stinky,noisy busses.  And we found, its faster to walk anywhere 
	than to wait for a bus.

Wen 2/21 Epcot day.  Rooster woke us up at 4AM.  We got out of bed at 6:30.
	Body wars: our impression is more hype than thrill.  It wasn't
	bad, but Star Tours is better.  I rode on it a second time
	that night and it took 1.5 hours in line.  Seems like technical
	difficulties.  Another bad thing..... that pre-load film in between
	cleaning rooms.  We saw it 6 SIX times.  One time cute, twice a
	yawn, at six I thought I'd see everyone in line throw stones
	at the monitors!  Talk about near riot.  Problem here that
	Disney has to correct.  If the line's not moving, don't keep
	repeating the pre-load film!!!!
	Supper at the German restaurant.  Our exchange son is from 
	West Germany.  The food was athenic and good.  The waiters/
	were from Germany and talked in German to us.  The show
	was good [but VERY brief].  The cost $140.
	We watched illuminations from the globe side.  bypassed
	the monorail and got immediate loading on the RED flag
	buss back to the TTC.  Don't even try the monorail after
	the show.

Thursday 2/22 a rest day.  We rented a golf cart and toured the campground.
	found Don Brouillet's campsite at the other end of Fort Wilderness.
	Don wasn't there, but we left word.  It'll be interesting to
	compare Don's trip report to mine.
	We noted cable running to each site but not hooked up yet. I
	suspect that the whole campground will be wired for cable TV soon.
	We were told that MGM opened at 7am. for guests.  The campground
	needs something like a notesfile for announcements.  Stuff like
	that only comes word of mouth between campers.  

Friday 2/23 RAIN RAIN alert.  We were going at 6am, but delayed.
	We took the great movie ride twice.  Like the mobsters better.
	Backstage tour next   TIP   TIP ALERT HERE:  Take the right side
	when  the ride divides.  The right side gets the front tram cars.
	We took the left.  That gets the rear cars.  What happens in the rear?
	Only a 3-4 minute delay in between what the host is describing
	and what you see.  Now if you can remember what he is saying now,
	and what he said before........  go right and get a front car.
	Now after the tram ride, and for the backstage tour, go LEFT at
	the divide.  That will allow the younger kids to be able to 
	SEE what is going on as the left side gets the front rows on the 
	walk through.  You guessed it, we took the right side.
	Indaina Jones stunt show was a disappointment.  1.5 hour wait
	for a simple 15 minute show.  Star tours was great.  Better 
	preshow area than in Disneyland.
	Bus ride from the campground to MGM was 20 minutes.  The return
	trip took 50 minutes.
	Comparing it to Universal in L.A., Universal wins no contest.
	MGM is toooo small for the  crowds.  

Saturday 2/24 rest day.  Went shopping at the village.  Note something
	new is that you must buy something for $10 in order to get
	the 10% discount.  My son tried to buy a hat for $9.95 and
	they wouldn't give a discount.  pretty small on their part.
	It took us an hour to return back to the campground.  The
	red flag buss stops EVERYWHERE.
	Hoop DE DOO night.  I picked up the tickets at the window and
	the lady said we couldn't have better seats unless we were
	on the stage.  I didn't realize that I'd be on the stage
	before the night was over.  But yes, I'm now an official
	Pioneer hall player having acted out the final scene.
	The food was OK. $150 for the night.  We'd definitely
	do it again.  I got a certificate and a picture.  But noone
	will ever see the picture.

Sunday 2/25  Magic Kingdom day.
	Rivers of America drained.  Interesting, it appears that the riverboat
	runs on a track around the river.  Pirates of the Car.. was closed.
	A biggy here--- I rode Big Thunder Railroad.  TWICE.  Now I'm not
	a roller coaster freak.  I don't like anything fast.  But this
	was fun.  We ate a picnic lunch in front of city hall.  We carried
	sandwiches into all parks for lunches.  Too expensive to buy
	for six.  Just put the lunch into the lockers until lunch and then
	ate them.  I know that they say not to, but.....
	back to the RV for supper, then onto EPCOT Extra Promotional
	Commercials Occupy Them.  You wondered what EPCOT stood for huh?

Monday 2/26 rest day?  We had lunch with a family we hadn't seen in
	years.  Bumped into them the day before at the MK.  We also
	bumped into another couple from town. Its a small world.....
	In our loop at the campground, there were campers from Dover,
	Salem, Nashua, and two from Hudson [all N.H.].
	Pleasure Island night.  We went to Xfers at 5pm.  got our hand
	stamped on the way in.  They had complementary food. Beer was
	$3/mug. Zappyhour.  
	We stayed there until 7pm.  bought the 3 adventure experience
	[forgot to use the MKC card]  Went to Adventure  club next.
	please note that if you get there BEFORE 7pm, you can get
	into there free also[ how many clubs are like this?]  This
	place is nice with actors mingling with the audience and
	at times you really wonder whos who.  But too much description
	could ruin it for you.  It could occupy you a whole night and
	could recommend anyone to budget a night to just this one
	club.
	We went to the Comedy Warehouse next.  This is a must place to
	go to.  Get there early for a good seat.  we didn't, but thats
	what happens when you club hop.  A great takeoff on the Disney 
	experience.  Someone should go with a tape recorder and put a 
	transcript here[which is probably illegal, but you'd love to
	hear it again, so for your own personal pleasure, if you have
	a tape recorder, take it there for the 8PM show].

	Mannequins next.  I must be getting old.  I didn't enjoy this one.
	Loud music.  Every technical trick used.  Four engineers/3
	computer terminals used to control the electronics.  We're
	not talking DJ at a night club.  We're talking ad nauseam
	electronic effects/lighting.  Wears on one. beer $4/mug.
	Never did see any mannequins dance.

Tuesday 2/27  LAST DAY.  Started at MGM, took ferry to Swan, bus
	to TTC, bus to Campground ate lunch, took ferry to MK.
	The river in Rivers of America was filled.
	returned to campground/ Davey Croketts for supper, went
	to EPCOT.  Ended the night by requesting the front of the
	monorail for the trip from EPCOT to the TTC.  What a view
	from the front.  I'm surprised that everyone doesn't take
	the front.  All you have to do is ask....
	got back to the TTC.  picked up the Blue flag to the campground.
	There's something sad about leaving the TTC for the last time
	on your vacation stay.  brings tears to your eyes.

Wen 2/28 headed back to Daytona with a side trip to the Kennedy space center.
`	at 2:30AM the shuttle took off.  We were assured that we could
	view the launch from the campground.  You can't.  We and about
	a dozen others were on the beach [at Fort Wilderness]listening 
	to the launch on
	radio and sadly realizing that we weren't going to see anything.
	we did have passed to get onto the base for the launch.  But with
	so many delays we decided to take a chance. Oh well, maybe
	next time.

Thursday 3/1 headed north at 7am.
Saturday 3/3 7am HOME.

second most hated words: I an't running for any dam bus.

Most hated words: its our bus, RUN!

most hated sign:  This attraction is be refurbished for your future enjoyment.
	ARRRRRG!!#$%  quit a few signs in use like that.

I did call 'priority service'.  To make a complaint about the busses following
on each other's bumper in stead of being spaced out.  The operator instead
of taking my complaint said they'd send someone to my campsite.  I asked
the person to listen to my complaint herself and record it.  Really no point
to a personal visit.  She then asked if I wanted to talk to her supervisor.
I again repeated I only wanted the complaint recorded so that some future 
action could be considered.  dumb person. dumb transportation system.
diesel busses in a campground.  boo.  bring back the campground train.

    Cost:    admission 4adults/2 children 	$550
    		Campground 8 nights		$400
    		GAS @6 mpg			$500
    		2 diner shows			$300
    		other food			$200
    		gifts				$200
    		misc				#200
    
    		total				$2350
    
    	Csot of rv ownership 	16 days		$1600**
    
    	grand total				$3950
    
    **registration/taxes/insureance/purchase price/interest divided by days 
    use in year for use/day does not include gas/campground fee.  can be used to
    compare against cost of rent.
thats it.
its Sunday 3/4 and the report is done.

regards,
ed

183.3There *were* trams last summerNITMOI::WITHERSAnother Hallmark Moment. -Al BundyMon Mar 05 1990 13:377
    As of July '89 they still had FW Trams but only on the inner loops,
    north of the Meadow Trading Post.  The southern routes, and the main
    gate were being handled by busses.  Also, late at night 12Am+, only
    buses were in operation.
    
    George
    
183.4Feb 12-16, '90: Better Late Than....WJOUSM::HIGGINSThe Jungle VIPMon Mar 12 1990 18:25304
   Sorry for being late with my report. I for one do not want to experience
 the Wrath Of Len. 8^) My girlfriend Debbie, daughter Tiffany age 10, and 
 myself went to Orlando on Feb 9th through February 17th. Because we were
 flying on bonus (free) tickets, we couldn't reserve seats until 24 hrs
 before our desired departure. First thing, on the 8th, I called the airline
 to find out that I couldn't get three of us on the same flight out on
 Friday. One would have to leave earlier in the day on another flight.
 
   This wasn't much of an inconvenience since the tix were free to begin with.
 I made the booking, and my travel agent offered to watch Sabre to see if
 anything else opened up. Nothing else opened up so Debbie flew out of Logan
 early, and my daughter and I flew out at night. It ends up, my United flight
 left Logan late due to a gate change, and even though I made my connection
 in Wash/Dulles, my luggage did not... This wasn't too big of a deal since we
 weren't planning to do anything on Saturday anyway. ( United drove it out
 too me the next day, about 7:30 pm)

  I rented a car from USA rent a car, off the airport. Their rates weren't
 too bad ($114 wk, Chev Barretta) and I only had to leave a dep/cc slip for
 $250. Since I was late getting there, about 11:30pm, I was the only one on
 their lot. I was able to pick the car I wanted and I wasn't pushed at all
 into getting the CDW. Anyway, we stayed at Debbie's Aunt's house in Orange
 City which is about 45 mi/45 minutes northeast of WDW. To the Disney days,
 shall we ?

Monday 2/12 -
-------------
   Not being sure how long it would take to get to WDW from Orange City, 
 considering traffic on I-4 in Orlando, we left about 8:00 am. We dressed
 in long pants for the day because it was a little windy. Debbie was glad
 about this decision when night came because it got quite cool. We were making 
 great time when we came to a dead stop on I-4 about 20 miles from WDW. A
 major accident caused the closing of part of I-4 and we had to be re-routed
 for a while. With the delays and re-routing it cost us 1:15 minutes !!!!
   
   We decided to go to Epcot first and leave the Studio until the end of the
 week to let the anticipation build up. We arrived at Epcot a little before
 10 am, parked and made it through the turnstile before 10 am. We had purchased
 tickets before we made the trip, and boy was I glad. The lines were unreal for
 tickets, mostly because they didn't have many booths open. Had to start the
 day with a journey on Spaceship Earth, my Epcot favorite. The line was only
 15 - 20 minutes long. One thing I noticed later in the week, was that some
 of the speakers in the cars (people transports) were not working or very
 distorted. I later noticed this at a few other attractions. Maybe it's time
 to replace some speakers ???

   On to the Wonders of Life for Body Wars !! When we got there, the line for
 BW was quite long. A cast member was making her way along the line saying
 it was an hour+ wait. It ended up being about 45 minutes. This was the longest
 wait we had all week. Well my opinion of BW. It's OK, but I would take Star
 Tours over it any day !!! I actually enjoyed Cranium Command much more ! I
 completely forgot about.... oh never mind. I don't want to put spoilers in 
 here. We didn't do much else in WOL. We're saving some things for our next
 visit. From here we finished off this side of FW, going from UOE, to Horizons
 and the WOM. Lines were 10 minutes tops. It's about noon time now, so time
 to eat. The lo mein at the Lotus Blossom Cafe in China is a personal fav.

   Next came Norway and the Maelstrom. The line was about 30 minutes. I had
 high hopes for this attraction, seeing it was my first time on it. I was
 somewhat disappointed because of the attraction's shortness and lack of
 substance. The 3 headed troll was kinda neat, and rushing backward, but it
 was shortlived. I watched the film at the end the first time through, but
 after our second time later on in the week, we went right through the theater.
 A must is the Puffin's Roost shop where you can buy these troll figures. Had to
 have one !!!! (Also, the biggest selection of Wishniks I've ever seen.)

   We then made our way around World Showcase, hitting most of the attractions.
 It got quite cool by nightfall so we ended up buying sweatshirts at the shop
 at International Gateway. (Got one of my best Kodachrome shots here).
 People were staking claims for Illuminations at 7:00pm ! I couldn't believe
 it. We decided we wouldn't (I wouldn't) hang around for 2-3 hours just to get
 a good spot (usually in Mexico). Went back over to Mexico about 9:30 to wait
 for "I". Got a spot that wasn't too bad (standing mind you) to watch from.
 Fought the mob getting out and made it back to Orange City about 12:45 am.  
  
Tuesday 2/13 -
--------------
   Time for the MK and my first Monte Cristo !! This was only the second day
 and I knew this drive wasn't going to wear well with me by the end of the
 week. But I thought, Dole Whip !!, Monte Cristo !!. I was happy again. Half
 way to WDW we decided to go to Epcot for a couple hours and take in the Land,
 JII, and the Living Seas. Upon finishing this we then hopped aboard the mono-
 rail to the MK via the TTC. We stayed on the monorail vs the ferry because the
 crowds were small. When we got there we hung around City Hall to wait to see
 if some characters would show, and like clockwork they did. Due to the crowds
 not being that large, I was able to get some good pictures of my daughter with
 them. Generally, you have a small army hovering around but this was not the 
 case.

   After our little photo shoot we headed down Main St to Adventure Land. I
 always end up in Adventure Land first. Is this just me or do others find
 this happening to them ? I'm not too keen (yawn) for the treehouse and the
 line for the Jungle Cruise was a little long so we headed straight for 
 Pirates. In all, we went on this attraction 4 times that day. I still catch
 myself riding to work saying things like, " Kitty, Kitty, Kitty", with 
 appropriate slur and all. Backtracking, the line at the Jungle Cruise was
 a little shorter so we decided to give it a go. About 35 minutes, but it
 seemed more like 20.  
   
   Now it was time for the Monte Cristo! We make a bee-line back past the
 Tiki Tiki Tiki Tiki Tiki Room (Serenade), and cut through the bathroom area
 that brings you by the hat shop and into Frontier Land.  Then I hobble
 (famished by now) past the Liberty Tree and off too the Columbia Harbor 
 House. I really enjoyed this place, except for one of the rude cashiers.
 The MC was great, and so was the coconut cream pie I had to go with it !!!

   Rivers of America was dry for the whole week we were there, but you could 
 tell the people working in there were on a mission, to be just in time for Ed.
 We then proceeded through attractions in Liberty Square, Frontier Land, and
 to the Birthday Land Express. After going to Mickeys Party, we headed over
 to Tomorrow Land. In May of '88, Dreamflight wasn't ready so we finally had
 a chance to see this attraction. What a dud !!!! Talk about your cheaply
 done attraction. I could find better at Whalom Park !! And the thing kept
 stopping, 15 times in all. I certainly won't lose any sleep if I miss this
 one next time. My daughter was set on going to Space Mountain next so
 how could I disappoint. The Wedway was another attraction that had audio
 problems. Some of the overhead speakers weren't working and I swear there
 was a whole section that was dead. We went and made some reservations for
 Tony's on Main St. Tony makes a Chicken Florentine that was great, and Tony's
 has free soda refills. Good for that hearty thirst.

   After dinner we headed back to Adventure Land and Pirate's. No line at
 all. We had the boat practically to ourselves. Closing was at 9 pm so we
 decided to head back to Epcot about 8:30. For the crowds being so small, it
 sure didn't seem it at the monorail. Luckily we got there early, unlike the 
 hoards of people behind us. We got back to Epcot about 9:00pm and decided
 to go back to the Maelstrom. I liked it better the second time. Maybe it's
 because we sat in the front of the boat. Over to France we went to get some
 pastry, and some rest for the feet. After this we decided to call it a night.
 It was approaching 10:00 and not wanting to fight the crowds after Illumi-
 nations, we shoved off. While leaving the parking lot and WDW, we could see
 fireworks over WS Lagoon. We left and still got to see some of it ....

Wednesday 2/14 -
---------------- 
 
   Typhoon Lagoon was on the agenda for today. Kinda like a sandwich with
 the two park days on either side. I really enjoyed this place. The weather
 was somewhat cooperative even though the sun was in and out all day. We
 got there at opening, 10:00am and stayed until 4:00pm. Debbie had a good
 book for herself, which I thought she would throw at me after I got her to 
 go on the Storm Slides. Her first run was ok and gave her the courage to 
 go a second time. Well, I guess she didn't negotiate a corner too well the
 second time and had a wild ride. My daughter on the other hand was in
 heaven. She was non stop the whole day. The burgers at the Leaning Palms
 were pretty good considering they were fast food.

   After changing, we headed to the marketplace and Pleasure Island.
 First on the agenda was eats. We decided on Merriweathers Market. We were
 undecided on how to rate this so we gave it a fair. We then proceeded to
 check out the place (this was the first time I had been). We sauntered in
 and out of some of the stores window shopping. Eventually we picked up a
 couple of things (using the MKC card) to bring home. The Empress Lilly
 had a wedding on board when we got there. Everyone was dressed in the
 drobe of the riverboat era, long coat with tails, hat and all. So we stood
 there gawking just like everyone else was, while their photographer was
 taking wedding pictures. We never went into any of the clubs in PI. It was
 after 7:00 and we wanted to get back to Orange City and make it an early
 night. This just leaves some stones unturned for the next trip !!!!
   
Thursday 2/15 -       
---------------

   This was the day I had been waiting for. The studio !!!!! We were all
 anxious to get to the park. We hit the road about the same time as we
 had all week. Traffic wasn't to bad and we made it to MGM about 9:00.
 Talk about poor planning. If I recall correctly the entrance road had
 only 2 lanes, and when you got to the parking toll booths there were 
 only 4 queues. I've never counted but both the TTC and Epcot have 10
 each. I don't figure.

   Anyway, once in we hurried to the entrance. The lines to purchase tickets
 were long and I had this feeling that we had to run to get in. Even though
 before we came I had been reading both Birnbaum and a Disney/MGM guide, I was
 a litle disorientated. What to do first ? Should we run ??? Running was out
 of the question due to the large behemoth of a crowd on Hollywood Blvd. When
 I gained my wits (lost um since) we proceeded to squirm towards the Great
 Movie Ride. To our advantage there wasn't a line outside. We were able to
 walk right into Mann's with no problem and they wait was about 15 minutes.
 We must have lucked out because when we finished the attraction and came
 out side, the line had progressed outside of the building and was weaving
 serpentine along the outside of the attraction. I liked TGMR but thought
 it could have been better. The Alien (upper creature) scene is only effective
 to about 1/4 of the tram and the same for the creature on the right. I
 enjoyed the gangster(left queue) vs the western (right queue).

   This is getting a little lengthy so I'll try and summarize the rest. As
 is the consensus, the MGM park is way to small. There are not enough 
 attractions to disperse the crowd evenly. You get this cramp feel throughout
 the park (like you don't in MK or Epcot ???). At least in Epcot & MK, theres
 some space to get a break. 

SuperStar Television
--------------------

   Well Debbie just had to get picked for this, and I guess the trick is
 to be about as loud and close to the front as you can get when it's time
 for them to cast. She got to play the part of Ethel in the Lucy bit. 
 Tiffany and myself got to be the acknowledged audience members that got
 to stand and wave at the camera. This was some fun stuff. It's to bad
 you can't get a copy of this on video tape, but due to them using actual
 footage, they only have playback privledges. I think ??

Monster Sound Show
------------------

   The film with Chase & Short is not bad. Actually, I liked the Soundworks
 area that you exit into. The booths they have where you go in and put the
 headphones on and listen to this office conversation is great. I've never
 heard imaging like this before. The audio quality coming from those little
 headphones was unbelievable !

Indiana Jones
-------------

   The line for this attraction was llllooonnnggggg, but once the line started
 moving it wasn't too bad. They can fit a ton of people in that stadium. We
 go some great photo's of the explosions at the end.

50's Prime Time Cafe
--------------------

   We tried to get in here for lunch about noon but were told the next available
 lunch seating was 2:45 !!!! To late for our Tum Tum's... We made reservations
 for dinner at 5:30. I had the meatloaf that was both good and filling. Tiffany
 had the kids macaroni and cheese, that I had to finish because it wasn't Kraft!
 The atmosphere is just like the names says, 50's. Your waitress is known as
 mom and she is constantly feeding you motherly advise like, "Don't leave you
 bike in the driveway", Did you remember to was your hands before dinner ?".
 Old 50's style TV's with a "Disney" logo are placed where the majority of
 the patrons can view the tape loop of old 50's shows. I would recommend it
 for lunch or dinner...
   
Animation Tour
--------------

  The film with Robin Williams and Walter Cronkite is good. After this we 
 then went through the tour. Animators were working on another Roger Rabbit
 cartoon for release this summer. I can't remember the name of it. Something
 about a roller coaster. 

Studio Tour
-----------

   We liked the tour but not as much as the one at Universal (Ca.). The queue 
 was about 40 minutes but we were kept busy watching the overhead monitors.
 There was nothing going on in the Soundstages to speak of. Just some set 
 people working on nothing of interest.

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   Overall we had fun at the Studio. I'm looking forward to what Disney has
 in store for the parks expansion. 


Friday 2/16 -
-------------

   This was going to be our last day at the parks and even though we didn't
 give it a second thought at the time, it became increasingly evident as the
 day wore on. Back to Cental Mass. !!!! It couldn't be. Why this week just
 started two days ago !!! Kid our selves we tried but to no avail. This would
 be our last day. Boo Hoo....

    We settled on the Magic Kingdom for our final day so we drove right to
 the TTC. Upon entering the MK we headed for the Hospitality House to get
 tickets for the Horseshoe Jamboree but it was filled. We could have waited
 before the show to see if there were no-shows but decided against it.

    After Main St. we headed up to Fantasyland to take in a few attractions
 that we didn't hit on Tuesday. In our two previous vacations to WDW and
 Disneyland, we hadn't been on 20,000 Leagues. Tiffany and myself both
 enjoyed this although dated as it is. I like the idea of the fresh air coming
 from the bottom of the porthole. For some reason the Skyway was down so we 
 didn't get a chance to do that. 

    Another one timer was the Grand Prix Raceway. Real rack and pinion steering
 I'd have to say. I didn't care for this attraction for two reasons. The exaust
 fumes were enough to gag a mule. We didn't notice this until your journey was
 over and you were waiting to exit. The second and biggest reason were the
 teenagers and kids, and I'll use the term JERKS/BRATS, that would ram into you 
 from behind when you were stopped waiting to exit the vehicle. Am I glad that
 none were behind us. Space Mountain loomed so inviting next so Tiffany and
 I were off. I had asked Deb to give it a go, but when she started quivering at
 just the invite we best let her relax on the bench.

    When we finished up with Tomorrow Land, we headed on over to Frontier Land.
 I just had to have another run on Big Thunder Mountain. This ride is great !
 It was Monte Cristo time again so we headed on over to the Columbia Harbor
 House again. I don't think I'll ever get sick of those little deep fried
 puppies !!! They take over Dole Whip as my fave ! The rest of the day was spent
 walking around and checking out some of the shops and other attractions. We
 took in a show at the Castle Stage and watched the theme parade down Main St.
 After it got dark I had to go back to Big Thunder Mountain. The effect is even
 better at night ! The parked closed at 9:00pm, and as we left it was finally
 time to own up to it. It was goodbye Mickey for now. 8^(

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  Due to the being a tardy boy, I'm sure I have forgotten a few tidbits but
  I hope some other replys jar my memory.
                                       
  George
183.5AKOV11::GRADYWed Apr 11 1990 17:1146
    I just got back from my Disney vacation. I listed some of the
    positives and negatives.
    POSITIVES
    - Stayed at the Marriot World Center. I would recommend this hotel to
    anyone. It had a huge pool with a adjoining sandbox for the little
    rascals to play in. The hotel had several resturants and a beautiful
    golf coursse.  Also, the hotel has several resturants and indoor
    waterfalls. 
    - Shopping at the Disney Village. My wife went shopping while I watched
    my son (19 MONTHS AND A HOLY TERROR). He played in the huge sandbox.
    The sandbox is located right in the middle of all the stores. Then she
    watched my son while I went shopping. 
    - I would highly recommend the Olive Garden Resturant. There are
    several of them located all around the Orlando are. The resturant
    serves Italian food and thick hot bread sticks. The bread sticks melt
    in your mouth. Also, the bread sticks come with every meal. I could go
    on about the menu alone, but there is not enough space. 
    - Mickey's Resturant in the Disney Village. My son got Mickey's
    autograph and several pictures taken with Mickey. The only problem is
    my son thought Mickey was there just for him. He could not understand
    why Mickey had to go around to all the tables. 
    - SPACE MOUTAIN!!! If you have never been on space mountain please make
    sure you go on this ride. However, if you are afraid of roller coasters
    PLEASE DO NOT GO ON THIS RIDE. It is a fast moving ride through total
    darkness. You feel like a human bullet. 
    - I enjoyed everything in Disney. I just wish I had a few weeks to take
    my time and go through the whole park in more detail.
    NEGATIVES
    - Plane ride for my son. He is 19 months and he really suffered. We
    took bottles, pacifers, and cookies. The bottom line is nothing could
    appease him. He was a screaming MANIC. Once we got off the plane he was
    fine. 
    - I think my son was to young for Disney. Some children slept in their
    carriages, but not my little rascal. There was to much for him to
    see and he did not enjoy waiting in line. I would like to offer a
    helpful suggestion. Please get there when the park opens. Go to rides,
    or the things you want to see first. When the children get cranky go
    back to the hotel. Then have them take a nap. When they wake up have
    the children take a swim in the pool. If they have the energy go back
    to Disney in the late afternoon. The crowds won't be so bad. 
    
    I hope you enjoy your trip. 
      
    a golf
    course. 
    with swans, ducks, and goldfish. 
183.6Visit reportWOTVAX::KAYRTue Apr 17 1990 11:04597
183.7FSHQA2::HLEINONENThu Apr 19 1990 17:1790
  	  EPCOT and MGM Report ...... March 31 - April 8
        
    Having recently returned from Florida I thought I'd add my impressions.
    We took the easy way out and left ourselves lots of time to see
    everything instead of cramming.
                                                                  
    FYI: One Day (Adult) Passes w/Magic Kingdom Club Card were $30.65
    
    Monday, April 2 : Day One at EPCOT
    	The weather was great (80+ and sunny) and we arived around
	9:00. Parking lot was filling in, but Disney was doing their
    	usual job of "pack'em in quickly and keep it moving". We 
    	decided to just see the front area today and leave the World
    	Showcase for another day, though we did make lunch reservations
    	at the Rose & Crown Pub (England). We headed to Journey into
    	the Imagination first so that I could see my old pal Figment.
    	Then on to the Living Body which was new for me. The visual
    	overload when you walk in the door almost made me turn around;
    	brightly colored signs, mobiles, and the like all great you  
        as soon as you enter. We discovered the Body Wars line (10 min)
    	and headed over - there are many warning signs posted and I
    	admit I was a bit apprehensive; I have a neck injury and 
    	probably shouldn't have gone on. Anyways the ride was great!
    	The flight simulator slams you around a bit, but the seatbelt
    	holds you in place real well. I'd go on this ride before a
    	roller coaster anyday! We proceeded out to the main floor to
    	play several of the games - all kinds of hands on toys. The
    	floor area was more crowded with kids than the ride. The movie
    	"The Making of Me" was very tastefully done for kids viewing. 
        It was kind of cute with animation mixed in, but I'd pass it
    	up unless you've got young kids with you. Anyways, from here
    	we went through Universe of Energy, World of Motion, Horizons,
    	and the rest - I'm an Epcot addict so I love all of them! We
    	breezed throught the Living Seas cause I find the New England
    	Aquarium more exciting. Lunch at the Rose & Crown was superb.
    	I highly recommend this place, even for meat-and-potato lovers;
    	you can't beat the beers and ales. Spent the rest of the at
    	Spaceship Earth tc. and left the park around 8:00 p.m. We've
    	seen Illuminations several times and recommend it.
    
    Wednesday, April 4th : EPCOT Day Two 
    	We visited the World Showcase, saw every movie, went on every
    	ride, and got to see most of the performers and shows specific
    	to each country: Bagpipes in Canada, Street theatre in England
    	and Italy, International Dancers in America. Also, there was a 
    	Goebel artist in Germany painting Hummels, an artist in Italy
    	painting Easter eggs, and a Japanese artist making figurines
    	from some sort of jellied material. Usually I end up missing	
    	so many of these shows due to time constraints, but we saw
    	everything. It was well worth spending a day just to see
    	these. We ate lunch in France - absolutely wonderful - and
    	met some terrific couples in the restuarant. Again we left
    	around 9:00.
    
    Friday, April 6th : Disney-MGM Studios
    	Having read the warnings in the notes file, I called WDW info
    	the night before to verify opening times. The posted time was
    	9:00 a.m. but the park actually opened at 7:00. We arrived at
    	7:15 and one row of parking area was already filled in. The
    	park was considerably smaller than I expected and loaded with
    	85% shops. I was disappointed in the Great Movie Ride, while
    	it was fun I guess I expected more - the Western shoot-out
    	was real hokey. Then on to the Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Theatre
    	- the day before a perfomer had fallen from a rope swing and
    	broken a hip, so anticipation was high. We were not disappointed.
    	The show is fabulous! The stunt actors deserve high appraise
    	for a terrific performance. The Star Tours ride was almost
    	identical to the Body Wars at Epcot - it's a George Lucas
    	film of travel to Enderon. The ride was still a bit "bumpy"
    	but I didn't feel quite as tramatized as in Body Wars. The
    	backstage studio tour is pretty interesting; Catastrophe
    	Canyon was lots of fun and the Amination Theatre was informative.
    	After that we gazed at few shops and were basically done. A
    	word of warning - the vendors and cafes don't open before the
    	posted time of 9:00 so have breakfast beforehand. We left the
    	park at 1:00. It can esily be done in 1/2 day. 
    
    Overall: Though not a lot of consideration went into it we seemed
    	to have picked the right week to travel. It was a week before
    	College Spring Break and two weeks before school vacation. 
    	There were relatively few people there - the longest line
    	was 20 minutes and having a party of two seemed to be an
    	advantage. Several times as we approached the lines they
    	would be asking for parties of two, and we simply moved to
    	the front of the line. We had a great time and would go back
    	to Epcot in a moment. MGM was a one time deal and I don't really
    	care of we return. This is just personal opinion, others may
    	think it's great.
    
    
183.8Better late... report for trip 3/7 - 3/11ADTSHR::SUTTONTue May 01 1990 19:15321
      
    Well, I suppose it's time to enter another report.  This one's a few
    weeks in coming, but should whet some appetites.

    We stayed at the Disney Village Resort Club Suites from March 7-11,
    then headed south to stay with my in-laws for a few more days. All
    in all, we'd have liked to stay in the WDW area longer (next time
    for sure!)

    Day 1 -- 07-Mar-90:

    Travel day.  We flew a Delta non-stop from BOS to MCO, departed about
    12:45 and arrived about 3:30.  The in-laws met us at the airport, we
    picked up our luggage and headed west toward the promised land.  Check-in
    went smoothly; we picked up our tickets to Chip and Dale's Country
    Morning Jamboree (reserved a couple of weeks before) and we were shown
    to our room/suite.  Laurie and I were pleasantly surprised with the setup
    of the room(s).  The Club Suite which we had consisted of a living room
    with a love seat and pull-out couch (queen size), a TV, a wet bar and a
    small fridge, and a table which sat four;  the bedroom with two queen-
    size beds and the sink area;  and the bath/toilet.  We were on the
    second level, so we were treated to a cathedral ceiling with skylights
    and a balcony facing the pond.

    After settling in, we headed out to find a place for dinner.  The Pompano
    Grill was a short drive away, so we decided to try it out.  This is listed
    as a "family" restaurant, but Deanna and Timothy (4yrs 6mos and 1 yr
    10mos, respectively) were fairly restless and squirmy by the time our
    entrees arrived.  Portions were small, prices were moderate, quality of
    the food was mediocre, and service was _s l o w_.  Oh, well.  


    Day 2 -- 08-Mar-90:

    We know how our kids can be at meal time, and had decided well in
    advance that breakfasts (except with Chip & Dale) would be in our
    room.  A couple bowls of cereal, and we're off!

    We needed to pick up our 4-day 3-park passes, so we took the bus to
    the TTC and got in line, then headed back to the buses to ride over
    to the MGM Studios.  When we got off the bus, Laurie saw the lines
    for purchasing passes and shot a look my way...oops.  We could have
    saved the time waiting for an extra bus and the ride in the wrong
    direction (the TTC is the opposite way from the Disney Village.)
    Another lesson learned, and a bit of time wasted.

    I stopped to take a couple of pictures of the entrance, looking down
    the main street to the replica of Mann's Chinese Theater.  Turned around
    to see the Kodak "picture spot" sign.  Can I pick 'em or what?

    We sauntered down the main drag after picking up the park guide and
    entertainment schedule.  The line by this time (remember the wasted
    trip to the TTC) for the backstage tour wrapped around the center hub
    and was estimated to be a 1.5 hour wait.  Ugh.  The line for the Great
    Movie Ride wasn't much better, and a cast member suggested Star Tours.

    On the way by Superstar TV, we saw the line shrinking, so jumped in.
    They were pre-admitting some people to the area where they select
    participants, so after a short wait, we were allowed to pass through
    the turnstiles into the pre-show area.  The kids handled the sit-down
    show fairly well (Timmy was a bit squirmy, Deanna was great), then we
    all stopped for a bit of lunch at Min & Bill's Dockside diner.  I
    don't know, is it me?  I was really disappointed at the size and
    quality of the sandwiches here.  

    After we'd polished off our lunches, we headed over to Star Tours. 
    On the way by, we stopped for a bit to see some of the pre-show for
    the Monster Sound Show.  The in-laws told us to go into Star Tours
    ourselves, as Timmy had fallen asleep in the stroller.  We wound our
    way through the twisty little passages and enjoyed the (brief) ride
    in the simulator.
    
    Once out of Star Tours, and after a couple of pictures with an Ewok
    and Chewbacca (Deanna got a picture with Roger Rabbit while we were
    inside), the in-laws took off to see the Great Movie Ride, and the
    rest of us took in a little of the atmosphere.  The kids were getting
    a little hungry, so we snacked on ice cream from Gertie's Ice Cream 
    of Extinction.  The sounds of explosions and whatever else goes on
    coming from the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular (did I get that
    right?) were downright LOUD!  We watched the line swell and shrink a
    couple times (got there near the start of one show, waited through a
    second for the in-laws to come out of the GMR) and we were amazed at
    the number of people they get into that attraction.  
    
    We headed over to the Mann's replica, and happened to catch a
    procession with the star of the week (some kid from a game show --
    Fun House?) and a bunch of the Disney characters -- Mickey, Minnie,
    Goofy, and Donald were all there.  They did up a slab of cement with
    the kid's handprints and signature, then whisked away...

    After the in-laws _finally_ came out of the GMR, we decided the kids
    (all six of us) needed a breather, so we headed back to the room. The
    in-laws volunteered to watch the kids while we went back to MGM, so
    we took advantage of the offer and were able to get into the Monster
    Sound Show and Great Movie Ride.  All I can say about the GMR is to
    agree with those who say that the animatronics in the Wizard of Oz
    scene are FANTASTIC!  The Monster Sound Show was a bit of a let-down
    -- all in all, MGM was;  maybe due to the lines and waiting and lines
    and waiting...they've got a LOT of kinks to work on here.  The "street-
    mosphere" characters were amusing, and there _is_ a little to see on
    the way from the main entrance to the attractions, but the LINES...

    We bailed out of MGM, went and got the kids & in-laws, and headed to
    the Crossroads Plaza for a quick supper (another convenience of
    having the in-alws there -- a car to go off Disney property if we so
    chose).  We ended up at RAX, had some roast beef sandwiches and these
    _interesting_ curly fries...they were somewhat spicy, but I enjoyed
    them -- _different_.  Next, over to the ice cream parlor (aaagh!  I
    can't remember the name of the place) and then back to the villa.  We
    got the kids settled into bed, then took advantage of the in-laws'
    offer again and took a ride over to Pleasure Island.  We sauntered
    around here for a while, didn't bother going into any of the clubs,
    but enjoyed the people-watching.
    
    It was getting to be about 9:30, and I remembered IllumiNations, so
    we grabbed the bus to EPCOT and picked out a spot -- WOW!  What a show!
    I'm glad we went that night, because the in-laws were headed back to
    their place the next day, and there's no way the kids would have
    stayed up for the show (they would have woken up, though!)

    After IllumiNations, we headed to the TTC so we could take a stroll
    through the grounds of the Poly.  We'd spent our honeymoon there in
    1982, and wanted to see the place again.  I was struck by the changes,
    the fluorescent lights (I remember mostly gas torches), the foliage
    looked like it had been stripped (could this have been from the
    severe weather in December?), the new buildings.  We still enjoyed
    seeing "our" spot, and sat for a while on the dock looking toward the
    MK.


    Day 3 -- 09-Mar-90:

    Again, we had breakfast in our room -- instant oatmeal, thanks to the
    coffee maker for the hot water (hmm, next time we should get a _real_
    kitchen.)

    Next, we grabbed the bus to the Magic Kingdom!  Rather than taking
    the TTC monorail to the MK, we walked over to the Poly and hopped on
    there.  _Much_ shorter wait.  Got stamped in, then headed over to
    rent a stroller, then swung by City Hall to pick up the Guide Book
    and schedule of attractions.  Pluto was in the picture area, so
    Deanna got in line for hugs and all...Timothy would have NONE OF IT!
    (Uh-oh, precursor of things to come...by the way, guess who Timothy
    constantly talks about _now_ when he sees any Disney stuff???)

    Of course, with little ones, the first ride is Small World.  OK, line
    on the left...what line??  We WALKED onto Small World!  Next up,
    Peter Pan's flight, and a 10-minute line;  then Cinderella's Golden
    Carousel, and a wait of less than 5 minutes;  then to the Tomorrowland
    Theater (?) for a show with the characters (Rap'n'Roll?); then the
    Carousel of Progress (mistake!  Timmy was in rare form, and the
    sit-down shows didn't go over well...); then the WEDway People Mover;
    then Dreamflight, then a rest and a drink;  then the Grand Prix cars;
    then Mickey's Birthdayland.  Here we met Winnie the Pooh and Pinnochio
    and got some more pictures (of Deanna, Timmy was in cling mode whenever
    one of these six-foot stuffed creatures looked his way.)  We queued up
    for the next show and watched a bunch of old Mickey cartoons, then got
    into the theater and slid _all_ the way over to the left.  Once the
    show was over, we were among the first out the doors, and Deanna was
    holding Minnie's hand on the way over to the next part of the party.

    After the "grand finale" of the party, we headed over to the movie
    house where we could go "backstage" with Mickey (by the way, the
    description of how to get from the party to the movie house was a bit
    confusing -- you might want to scope this out ahead of time.)  When
    we got in, we headed over to the extreme right of the line (we curved
    around the dressing room), so we were the last in the room from our
    group (hint, hint!)  Daddy held Timothy, so we did get a picture of
    him with one of the characters (-:

    It was getting to be early afternoon, so we took a break and headed
    back to the room for lunch (PB&J) and a nap for Timmy.  We took the
    ferry back over to the Poly, as opposed to the monorail.  This is the
    day we picked up our rental car from National at the Car Care Center. 
    No more bus waits!  (Wanna bet???)  We had, up to this point, seemed
    to hit the buses just wrong -- ending up with a 15-20 minute wait for
    just about every trip we wanted to take.  I know, I know...15 minutes
    isn't all that long, but when you compare that to the "instant"
    departure of your own car, it can seem like an eternity.  Once we had
    the car, we parked at the Poly and enjoyed the pool and the view
    across the lagoon to the MK.  More pictures of the kids (all four of
    us) having fun in the sun...

    Next, we headed back to the room to change and think about dinner. 
    Bearing in mind the attention spans of the kids, we hunted a bit and
    found a Pizza Hut nearby.  At least we knew they'd eat!

    After dinner, we headed back to the MK to catch a few more rides and
    shows that we'd skipped due to the lines.  We parked at the Grand
    Floridian and caught the monorail to the MK.  A bonus to this was
    seeing the inside of the GF, as we had to go inside to get to the
    upper level to get the 'rail.  The bonus was that it got us HUNGRY
    for our next trip (is that good or bad?  We were starting to plan our
    next trip down and hadn't even left yet!)

    Once in the MK, We walked in to the pre-show area for the Country
    Bear Jamboree, only had to wait because the show was already in
    progress.  The theater was about 40% full! The cast members (no, not
    the bears) even told us we didn't have to slide all the way to the
    right!  Next, we headed over to the Pirates of the Caribbean (walked
    on this one too), then to the Jungle Cruise line.  This was a little
    longer wait, and the kids were frazzled, so we ditched this one for a
    later date.  We had to be up early the next day, after all.  Lots of
    people were headed out, the monorail lines looked looooong, so we
    took the launch back to the GF (and saw the Electric Pageant as an
    added bonus.)


    Day 4 -- 10-Mar-90:

    Breakfast this morning was at the Chip & Dale's Country Morning
    Jamboree.  We Drove into the parking lot fot Fort Wilderness, then
    headed over to the bus stop, where we would catch the bus to Pioneer
    Hall.  This was the most crowded bus I'd seen in the complex.  When
    the bus arrived at the pickup, it was already nearly full, and we
    squeezed another 30 or so on.  Standing room only!  And we STILL made
    stops on the way to Pioneer Hall.

    We arrived at our stop, and headed for the line for breakfast. 
    Looking up, we saw a hot-air balloon pass directly overhead -- it
    must have been gorgeous up there; the weather on the entire trip was
    about 95% sunshine, temps in the low-mid 80s.

    The line started moving in, and we made our way to our seats.  The
    characters started milling around, and Timmy wasn't too pleased when
    Donald Duck came by...or, for that matter, any of the characters. 
    Deanna, on the other hand, soaked it up!  We got a few more photo
    opportunities with the characters, and a little video taping.  Deanna
    got to be part of the show -- the male cast member sang "Alabammy
    Bound", and when he sang the verse about being "a lucky hound" who
    "finally found somone to put his arms around", she was the one!

    I was a little disappointed again here, maybe because I spent more
    time settling Timmy down than enjoying the meal and show.  After
    it was all over, we headed back to get another bus back to the
    parking lot, and then we headed to EPCOT.

    Again, we picked up the guide book for the park, and an entertainment
    schedule, then headed in.  The lines for the major attractions on the
    way in were already well-formed, so we started sauntering counter-
    clockwise to see what struck our fancy.  The fountains outside the
    Journey into Imagination looked interesting, so we headed that way. 
    The Captain EO show must have been in full swing, because we were
    among about 20 people in the area around the fountains.  More
    pictures, and the kids could have stayed there all day watching the
    jumping water.  But mom and dad dragged them away, off to see some of
    the World Showcase pavillions.  

    First stop -- Mexico.  Here again, we walked on to the ride (El Rio
    del Tiempo?), then wandered around a bit in the shops.  When we went
    back out into the sun, a band of mariachis was performing, so we
    listened for a little while, then continued on our way.  Donald Duck
    was nearby, in Mexican costume. Sure, we have _lots_ of film!  More
    pictures!  We kept heading around the lake, this time heading
    clockwise -- the crowds weren't bad at all, so it seemed to make
    little difference.  We took pictures in front of each pavillion, by
    some unique identifying "landmark".  We also rode on Maelstrom, the
    kids weren't too enthused about the more exciting aspects of this ride.

    When we got the the Japan pavillion, we grabbed a snack of Kaki-Gori
    (shaved ice and fruit syrup -- yum!), then walked through the rest of
    the pavillions.  The canal way to the Dolphin and Swan was open (the
    two hotels were clearly visible all the way around the lake), and it
    looked as though the canal shuttle boats were operating, moving
    people back and forth between EPCOT and the hotels.  Now that I think
    of it, I remember seeing canals and boats at the entryway to MGM.

    We thought of going in to see the Living Seas, but the kids were on
    their way to being totally exhausted, so we headed back to the room
    for some rest and lunch.

    After lunch and naps, a swim at the nearby pool, then it was back to
    the MK to watch and videotape the parade!  We parked at the Poly,
    then took the monorail over to the MK.  I got a spot by the ropes
    directly across from where all the floats came out from behind City
    Hall, so had an excellent shot as they passed by.  Laurie and the
    kids were on the other side of the hub, and had a similar perspective.
    We wanted to head out for a short while, to pick up some things for
    our trip south the next day (to see the in-laws), so off we went.
    The lines for the 'rail were long again, so we took the launch back
    to the Poly, with a quick stop at the GF on the way.

    After running our errands and lightening my load (that video camera
    can be a bear to carry!), we headed back to the MK for dinner at the
    Crystal Palace.  Again, I wasn't overly impressed by the food; what was
    advertised as roast pork with stuffing had no stuffing, it was greasy
    and tough.  Laurie, on the other hand, got a children's portion of
    chicken and thoroughly enjoyed it.  Luck of the draw, I guess.

    After dinner, we headed for the line for the jungle cruise.  This is
    a slow line, I guess, because it looked fairly short but took about
    10 minutes for us to get on the boat.  Next up was the Tropical
    Serenade/Tiki Room.  This line was non-existant, again, we had to
    wait for the timed show to finish.  There were probably 50 people all
    told in the room for the performance.

    We wandered around a little after the show, thought about another
    ride, but it was almost 9:00 -- we thought the park was going to
    close, so we headed out.  We found out on the way out that the park 
    was open until 10 that night.  Had we stuck around, we probably could
    have gotten on just about anything we wanted.  The kids, though, were
    on their last legs, so we said our last good-byes to Main St. USA and
    Cinderella's Castle...We rode the hotel monorail back through the
    Contemporary to the Poly, then to the car and back to our room.
    

    Day 5 -- 11-Mar-90:

    This was check-out day -- we packed everything up, then headed to the
    reception center to settle the bill;  got squared away and set off to
    Sea World and then the rest of our vacation.  But you Disneyholics
    don't care about that, do you?  (-:

    Well, we've got three passports (2 adult, 1 child) with a day left on
    them, so we've _got_ to go use them up sometime.  We'd dug the books
    out last weekend and started drooling...maybe it's time to buy some
    Disney stock and watch for the deals.  Next time, we go for more time
    on site.  We're considering driving down to save on airfare (and
    spending the savings on accomodations at WDW!!)
    
    
183.9Long week-end in Southern California!OFFPLS::HODGESTue May 08 1990 17:0994
    This was a long week-end in Southern California to attend the wedding
    of a 4th cousin (we're a close family; what can I tell you?) and to
    celebrate my daughter's 16th birthday!
    
    Departure was Thursday 5/3 me from NYC LaGuardia airport.  I'm a
    FREQUENT FLYER, but this was a first for me.  We were loaded and
    approaching the runway, when the runway was changed to a different one.
    The second one must have been shorter, because our plane was now too
    heavy to take off!  We had to go back to the gate, where they asked for
    12 volunteers to get off and take the 7 PM flight (it's now about
    5:15!)  This happened fairly quickly as the flight had been over-booked
    to begin with so a number of people had volunteered to get off so
    already had the idea in their minds that they could afford to go later
    in order to get a free ticket!  BUT alas, we're still too heavy so they
    asked for 10 more volunteers and this time was much slower.  The weight
    is now fine (about 5:35) but took us another 30 minutes to get away
    from the gate; my connection in Chicago to SNA (John Wayne/Orange
    County) is looking REAL bad; this is bad because my daughter and her
    best friend had flown out of Manchester and were planning to meet me
    for the rest of the trip.  I missed it; they made it; hotel screwwed up
    and wouldn't let them check-in despite MANY phone calls.  Finally my
    daughter's friends father gave them another credit card and the girls
    got to bed.  I flew into LAX and took a Super Shuttle to Marriott
    Irvine, finally arriving at 1:45 AM (After working ALL day in NYC-LONG
    DAY: TIRED LADY!!!!)
    
    Friday is beach day; went to Laguna Beach, ate in Mexican Restaurant on
    a hill overlooking the ocean (Las Brisas is the name I think!)  Food
    was good, view magnificent, roses of all colors lining the walkway up
    from the beach, were worth the climb all on their own!  My husband flew
    in from Boston this evening and now we're all together!
    
    Saturday is the wedding; adults went; teenagers went to Disney Land. 
    We joined them for the evening.  Disney Land is open until midnight on
    the week-ends AND has both the Electric Light Parade and fireworks on
    the week-ends.  Girls took the hotel bus to John Wayne Airport and then
    the a big bus to Disney.  They took the bus instead of the Super
    Shuttle because the bus was $3 cheaper, but it made MANY stops and took
    twice as long; they said they'd pay the $3 for EXPRESS SUPER SHUTTLE
    next time.  Admission was $47 for two with Magic Kingdom Club discount;
    $25.50 (one day passport) otherwise.  
    
    None of us had ever been to Disney Land before.  It is smaller, older,
    harder to find your way around in than Magic Kingdom at WDW.  There
    seemed to be LOTS of attractions either closed for refurbishing or just
    not working!  Carousel of Progress is being replaced alltogether (sigh,
    I like that one!)  It's a Small World was closed (another favorite!)
    and so was the Tiki Room (NO DOLE WHIP!!!!)   The People Mover was not
    working the first two times we stopped by; when it finally started it
    is VERY different, older technology, VERY JERKY, and had a couple of
    points where my fear of heights came to the surface!  I would NOT ride
    it again!  The line for STAR TOURS was VERY long, so we skipped it!
    
    Now what did we do?  Haunted Mansion, different appearance on the
    out-side but very similiar to MK, Pirates of the Carribbean (this one
    seemed more detailed than MK; I'm sure we got wetter because it dropped
    twice, the drop was farther and generally more water than WDW version.)
    The girls rode Space Mountain and said it was faster but with fewer
    drops than in MK.  They also did Thunder Mountain after dark and said
    it was great!  We did Mission to Mars (same as MK) and Delta's Dream
    Flight.  This one confused me, as I thought it was supposed to be a new
    attraction and yet, I'm sure the CircleVision movie is the same one
    that I've seen in the MK (maybe in Kodak pavilion. . . I can't remember
    where!)  The entrance is new, has a cute border around the top of the
    waiting room that looks like flat characters from "It's a Small World" 
    some of them light up and move a bit as the short film plays while
    you're waiting.  We had a decent hamburger and fries from the area
    beside the Plaza Garden.  One thing that I really liked about Disney
    Land that I don't remember at the MK is that there are at least two
    areas where you can dance.  The Plaza Garden to big band era and in
    Fantasy Land (I think it was) to LOUD rock!  We saw the fireworks AFTER
    the 9:00 parade, then showed up about 10:15 in front of Carnation ice
    cream place on Main Street and had curb-side seats for the 11:00
    parade.  Left as soon as it was over and had very little traffic
    (pedestrian or auto) to deal with even though inside the park was VERY
    crowded!  More so, than late June at WDW (which is the busiest time
    I've ever been there!)
    
    Sunday, we drove to San Diego to the Zoo; this is a wonderful way to
    spend a contrasting day.  We took 5 rolls of film and could have used
    more!  Even though the day was HOT and SUNNY, lots of the animals were
    still very playful.  Great time watching a 'juvenille' bear entertain
    his parent.  He had an empty beer keg in a pool of water and kept
    trying to jump on top of it!  It would scoot out from underneath him
    and dump him into the water.  Reminded me of a child at play.  The
    parent bear seemed to be enjoying it as well!
    
    Monday AM a final visit with the mother and grandmother of the bride
    and it's back to NH.  I wouldn't want to do this distance EVERY
    week-end, but we had a great time!!!  BTW, nobody had ever been to
    California before but me.
    
    Maryann
    
183.10Travers Family Trip ReportFRICK::TRAVERSMon May 21 1990 17:4873
    Travers Family FIRST Vacation
    Trip Report
    May 9 - 15, 1990
    at Fort Wilderness Campground
    
    Our trip was intentionally designed not to try to "do  Disney", rather
    to use the resort to take a very needed vacation with our 21-month old
    daughter.
    
    Our decision to go to Disneyworld was based around the fact that even
    though it is a "resort", our daughter would be welcome.... no matter
    how she acted.
    
    Transportation:
    
    We elected to take the Mears Shuttle Service from the airport to the
    Campground.  We waited approximately 10 minutes for the shuttle van. 
    Except for the fact that we were extremely tired (two plane rides) and
    we had to drop off two other families on our way to the Campground, the
    Shuttle service was very convenient. 
    
    Accommodations:
    
    The Fort Wilderness Campground trailers are extremely comfortable and
    IMO the only way to travel if you have little ones with you.  Our
    daughter had her own bedroom (we requested a crib and it was in the
    trailer waiting for our arrival).  The kitchen was equipped with a
    perculator (coffee is a MUST in our family!), stove, frig, microwave,
    pots and pans, etc.
    
    I packed two shoe boxes in our luggage containing items that I thought
    we might need upon our arrival (and before we could get to the trading
    post).  One box contained:  Can of coffee, sugar packets, crackers,
    microwave popcorn, SMALL jars of peanut butter and jelly, two sticks of
    butter (which travelled very well).  I also tucked in a tupperware
    container of Cheerios.   One thing that I didn't pack but should have
    was salt and pepper. 
    
    The other shoebox contained bandaids, anticeptic ointment, suntan 
    lotion, children's and adult tylenol, cough syrup, epicac, baby 
    thermometer and cotton swabs.  
    
    The Campground.
    
    We were very happy with the campground, as it had all of the activities
    we required to keep our daughter happy - swings, slides, pools, beach,
    petting farm and horse barn.  We could have stayed on the property for
    the entire trip and be extremely happy.  We appreciated the Buffeteria
    - as we have a hard time keeping Kate happy waiting for meals.  The
    food was very good.  Kate loved the petting farm and every night after
    supper we would take a daily walk to the farm to say goodnight to the
    pig.  This is something that she is still talking about.
    
    Magic Kingdom:  The only dissappointment was Small World was closed...
    but we hadn't hyped it up to Kate, so she didn't know what she was
    missing.   The park was not crowded.  Most of the attractions had 10-15
    minute lines.  The longest line was after lunch at Jungle Cruise.  We
    were in line for about 40 minutes.  (This was okay though, since Kate
    fell asleep on Dad's arm and slept through the entire line (and ride))
    
    River Country:  We toyed with the decision to go to River Country or
    Typhoon Lagoon.  River Country won because it's on the campground
    property which meant we had easy access to our trailer for naptime. 
    River Country was perfect for such a small child as it has a nice
    toddler beach and some slides for wee ones.  Hubby and I took turns
    building sand castles with Kate and going down the body slides
    ourselves.
    
    If we can afford it, I think you'll probably see a yearly trip report
    from the Travers Family!
    
    
    
183.11How come?COEM::SCOPAMAJORThu May 24 1990 17:1321
    Hmmm,
    
    Seems that about 36 of the 74 entries made in the "Sign-in 1990 WDW
    Visitors" note (158) mentioned trips between January and the end of
    May.
    
    This note contains only 7 trip reports from people in that note and 3
    trip reports from people who never got into 158. 
    
    If my math is correct that means there are 29 reports still to be
    filed. 
    
    There were about 30 reports filed by this time last year so it seems
    that about the same number of noters go each year.
    
    I enjoy reading these reports so whatever you can muster up please
    enter as soon as you can. Think of it as returning the favor of finding
    info in this conference prior to your trip.
    
    Mike_who_promises_to_file_his_report_or_be_banished_forever_from_WDW
    
183.12Not too late...trip date 5/10CTOAVX::GONSALVESServThu May 24 1990 18:0432
    Our trip this year was very strange.  We were in Fla. mostly for R&R.
    But, we COULDN'T go to Fla. without going to WDW (even though it was a 2
    1/2 hour drive).
    
    Our goal was to see things that were not there when we went two years
    ago (just my wife and I - no kids).
    
    I picked up some four day passes from a friend who had just returned
    from WDW and had a day left on each.  This gave me the freedom to go
    from park to park.
    
    We drove up early in the morning and went directly to MGM.  We had
    heard that it should only take half a day to do MGM but wanted to
    give ourselves enough time in case it took longer.  We started with the
    back stage tour and thought it was interesting.  The Star Tours
    attraction was GREAT.  Indiana Jones came in a close second.  Other 
    than these two attractions, we felt like everything else was just OK.
    Don't get me wrong, it was fun but we felt that the park has a long way 
    to go to catch up to MK and EPCOT.
    
    We then went to EPCOT and rode Body Tours and visited a few countries.
    Body Tours was more intense (physically) than Star Tours.
    
    Dinner was in "Japan" and it was excellent.  The strange part about
    dinner was that we sat at a table with two other couples and both were
    from New England (we are from Conn.)
    
    We left the park at 10:00 and drove back.  It was a long drive but
    definately worth the trip.
    
    Serv
    [EOB]
183.13VOGON::KCAMPBELLwhen you wish upon a star...Fri May 25 1990 12:097
    I'm in the middle of my trip report at the moment.  I would have finished
    it sooner, only I've been very busy at work since I got back.  Anyway,
    suffice to say, it's on its way...
    
    Hope to have it ready soon!
    
    Karen
183.14It's coming....ANNIE::LUNDFri May 25 1990 13:043
    
    	Ours is written, just waiting for the other half to review it
    before entering it..... Annie
183.15Mine's coming, tooGEMINI::GIBSONFri May 25 1990 16:433
    Mine is half done -- hope to finish it this afternoon.
    
    Linda
183.16It was Great!!!GEMINI::GIBSONFri May 25 1990 19:58166
                       Peter and Linda Gibson
                          WDW Trip Report
                          May 17-21, 1990


May 17, 1990
------------

Arrived at CBR approximately 11:30AM to pre-register and get bus pass, etc. We
were very pleased with our room. We were in Jamaica, beachfront, in the building
right next to the pool. Knowing how far away from the village pool it is 
possible to be even with the best grade room, we really appreciated this 
location. It was also just a short walk to the bridge over to Port Royale which
eliminated the need to take a bus every time we needed to go there. 

After settling my ticket problem at EPCOT we caught a bus to MGM. I was 
surprised how physically small the park was, and amazed how many people managed
to fit into such a limited area! We watched a couple street scenes, then took
the riding portion of the Backstage Tour. The best part of this, of course, was
Catastrophe Canyon. The line for the walking part of the tour was too long, so 
we bypassed that and went on Star Tours. What a terrific ride! Even my husband 
liked it! I thought I might get motion sickness, so I wore one of those skin 
patches for seasickness. It probably wasn't necessary, though. If it hadn't 
been for the line, I was ready to ride again immediately. We went to the
Indiana Jones Stunt Show next. This was entertaining with the audience 
participation, but I would only consider it worth one viewing per visit to WDW. 

At this point it was about 4:00PM, and we'd been up since 4:30AM, so we headed
back to CBR to get our keys and move our luggage, etc. into the room, and take
a rest. About 6:30 we decided to eat in the MK, so caught our bus and headed 
over to the TTC. To me this is a nit, but my husband disliked having to change 
transportation methods to get to the MK. He classified it in the same category 
as having to change planes, something else he hates to do. 

We ate at Tony's right in the square, then wandered around until we were asked
to leave (The park closed at 8:00PM). Then early to bed to be able to attack
the MK first thing!



May 18, 1990
------------

Got to the MK about 9:00AM, and ate breakfast at the Crystal Palace. Food was 
good, it wasn't crowded, and was on our way to the Jungle Ride, our first 
destination. We then rode on Pirates of the Caribbean, saw the Hall of 
Presidents, rode the Riverboat, Haunted Mansion, and Flight to Mars. I had been 
told that Mickey's Birthdayland (or Starland or whatever) was going to reopen
on May 18. It was still closed when we got there, and the entertainment 
schedule didn't list it as reopening until May 25. There were some very 
disappointed little people (and big people, too) because of this attraction
being unavailable. 

At 3:00, of course, we watched the parade. I thought it was the best part of MK!
We had great seats right in the center of Town Square. There was a little girl 
about 3 with her parents right near us, and we had a lot of fun watching her 
and the characters. She got really excited when she saw Chip, but when he came 
near her she backed right away. She did the same for all the characters. She 
liked them, but not too close!

After the parade we went back to the hotel for a rest. We went to MGM after we 
thought the crowd had thinned and picked up a bite to eat at a vendor cart. 
The Great Movie Ride line was finally relatively short, so we did that. It
was OK -- my favorite scene was Munchkinland. We were kidnapped by the gangster
this time through. Later we took my husband's parents on the ride and were
kidnapped by the cowboy, so we saw both scenarios. I thought it was relatively
short, especially for the length wait in line. 

We weren't in the mood for the walking part of the backstage tour, so watched 
some more street scenes and did some shopping. My in-laws were arriving early
the next morning, so we left MGM about 9:00 to get to bed early.



May 19, 1990
------------

My in-laws met us at the Custom House at CBR at 8:30 to preregister and get 
their bus passes. Then off to EPCOT. They had never been there, so wanted
to see Future World. We had seen most of that in our freezing, rainy few
hours there in December, so we opted to visit some of the countries. After
meeting them at noon and having lunch in the Odyssey Restaurant, we took them
over to MGM. It was packed. The shortest line was for the riding portion of
the backstage tour, so they went on that (we didn't want to go a second time).
We saw the parade (one small band and one car) with Nancy Stafford, the 
young blond from Matlock, as the star of the day. My husband was kissed by
Minnie Mouse, the highlight of his trip! I wish I had a picture! There was 
some kind of presentation ceremony with all the characters. I couldn't hear 
what it was all about, but it was fun to watch. 

We went back to the hotel for a rest and a swim before dinner at the
Mexican pavilion. The atmosphere at the restaurant was great and the food 
was delicious. Afterward we did a little shopping on the way out, then 
back to the hotel to bed to rest for an early attack on MGM.



May 20, 1990
------------

We all met at 7:30 to get an early start at MGM. We had breakfast at the
Hollywood and Vine Diner, then went on the Great Movie Ride. We walked right
in -- there wasn't even a full train of people ahead of us! We figured the 
line would finally be short for the walking portion of the backstage tour,
and we were right. I found this to be interesting but somewhat superficial.
My in-laws went into Indiana Jones, and we walked around and people watched. 
I couldn't convince my husband to go into any of the audience participation
demonstrations. I took my father-in-law onto Star Tours. I don't think he 
liked it, but he wouldn't say anything. 

We decided this would be a good afternoon to go to the Disney Village Market-
place shopping. My father-in-law wanted a nap, and my mother-in-law wanted 
to go swimming, so we went alone. Found some good Disney stuff. 

We had been considering going to Universal on Monday, their opening day, so 
drove by to check the place out. It looks nice from what we could see. It's 
set far back from the road. The parking lot was full, though, and traffic was 
backed up all the way to the street. We were worried about being caught in 
traffic and missing our 4:20 flight, so decided to pass on Universal this
trip.

Dinner was at the Italian restaurant in the International Pavilion. The food
was good, but I found the restaurant to be extremely noisy. We couldn't converse
at the table because of the noise level in the room. For this reason alone I 
wouldn't go back to eat there. 

There were some cute sketches by street actors outside the restaurant, so
we watched them for a while. The line was short for the Imagination ride, 
my favorite, so we all rode that. Then home to bed, since my in-laws were
leaving early to drive to New England for the summer.



May 21, 1990
------------

Since we had no definite plans, we slept late, then packed and loaded the car. 
I wanted to go to MK but my husband wanted to laze around. We compromised --
he brought a book to MK and sat on benches waiting for me while I went on 
Great Thunder Railroad, then joined me for the Bear Show and the Skyway. 
After grabbing some lunch (a Monte Cristo sandwich, and they're really good)
we decided to head off to the airport early. 

Summary
-------

Although he didn't want to go in the first place, my husband had a good time.
He even said we'd go again! I didn't get to do all the things I wanted to do. 
If I had tried to squeeze them all in, I would have come home exhausted. 

My in-laws would only go off by themselves if we were in the same park and 
had a definite meeting place and time. If we wanted to go somewhere else and 
they wanted to stay, they would leave with us. This was rather confining.
We couldn't do what we really wanted to do, but rather what we thought they
wanted to do. I think we did too much for them, instead of making them learn 
their way around for themselves. I was the teacher, telling them to take out 
their tickets, their bus passes, get their hands stamped, etc. If we went
with them again I would insist they be more independent. 

I can't stress too much the importance of comfortable shoes. I wore what I 
thought were well-broken-in boat shoes instead of sneakers. I had a huge 
blister on the bottom of my foot the first day. That made me walk funny, 
so I got more blisters. I limped around WDW for 5 days. My in-laws didn't
need the wheelchair, I did!

In total, it was a great trip, and I can't wait to go again!
183.17trip reportJUPITR::STARVASKIThe Secret Life Of Walter MittyTue May 29 1990 14:4160
    Day one, May 19 '90
    
    Epcot Center all day. We made resevations for lunch in Mexico and 
    dinner in Moracco. Both were excellent.  Moracco featured a belly
    dancer and fantastic food. Mexico was very good but predictable.
    
    This being our second trip down in one year, we concentrated on our
    favorite attractions and also the new Metropolitan exhibit.
    
    Metropolitian's exhibt on the wonders of life was excellent. The Body
    wars ride was very good. This is a flight simulator that takes a trip 
    through a persons body.  Saw the film "Craninum Commandos". This film
    was a very good suprize. Many people overlook this film due to the
    large hype of Body Wars. I strongly recomend this film for all age
    groups. It is a commical spoof  on the workings of the brain. 
    
     Day 2: Magic Kingdom/Pleasure Island
    Had a very good time at the Magic Kingdom. Mickeys birthday land has
    been converted  to Mickeys Star land, nothing but the name has been
    changed. Not too much to report that has not been mentioned in other 
    reports. 
    
    Pleasure Island was great! Definatly for the over 21 crowd, although I
    did see many parents with small children. There is not much for the
    young ones to see except the Comedy Warehouse show. not worth paying
    addimsion for a child.  All clubs were great but I recomend the comedy
    warehouse and the Adventures club (of wich I am now a member)
    
    Day 3: MGM
    
    Star tours! a great attraction. (actually the EXACT same ride as
    Epcot's Body Wars but with a different film) I would recomend going on
    Star Tours rather than Body wars. Not much else is new at MGM. the
    lines are getting longer everyday!
    
    Notes:
    The super passport plus offer expired May 19. We were able to take
    advantage of the savings. (four day passport plus unlimited access to 
    P.I.  D.I.  T.L) for $116.00
    
    Stayed off Disney property at the Horizon Inn. Rt 192 Kissemmee. -- not
    that great, but for $30.00 a night it was worth it.  Drove in to the
    parks rather than take a shuttle ($6.00 p/person). we had no problem 
    driving in.  The parks are easy to find and traffic was not bad at all. 
    I would recommend taking your own car rather than paying for the
    shuttle.
    
    Universal Studios was ok. I think it will be better than MGM when
    everything is up and running. (only 3 attrations were open) 
    
    Gatorland Zoo (kissemee fla) for $5.00 to get in it was a nice break
    from the mouse. 
    
    Kenedy Space Center: did not go this year, but did go last year. This
    is a great day trip (take the bus tour inside the center)
    
    Bush Gardens (tampa bay)   another great day trip if you are in the
    area (about an hour from orlando)
    
      
183.18one more thing...JUPITR::STARVASKIThe Secret Life Of Walter MittyTue May 29 1990 17:342
    Oh yea, I tried Dole Whip.....sorry guys, I didn't think it was that
    great.  8^)
183.19DisneyWorld Trip May 25-28SMURF::FLANAGANI was a snowball in hellWed May 30 1990 14:34184
     Walt Disney World Trip Report  - May 25 - 28, 1990
     --------------------------------------------------

     John Flanagan


 DAY 1 - May 25, 1990
 --------------------

 I met my girlfriend at Orlando Airport (she was flying in from 
 Washington DC, I from Manchester, NH.  Incidentally, both of our flights
 were free because we cashed in Frequent Flyer coupons on USAir).  
 We grabbed a cab and took it to our hotel.  We would be staying at
 the Orlando Marriott World Center.  (Again, 3 free nights here as
 we were using my girlfriend's Frequent Stayer points from Marriott).
 It was too early to check in, so we checked our bags at the Bell Captain's
 Stand and headed to DISNEY/MGM studios.  I had purchased 4-day World
 Passports previously, so we would be using those to get in.

 DISNEY/MGM studios -

 Our shuttle bus from Marriott took us to Epcot where we boarded a 
 Disney bus to the Studios.  Our first stop - Lunch at the Hollywood &
 Vine Restaurant.  Not bad.  Our first attraction would be Star Tours.
 The line was not too bad at all.  Probably about a 10 minute wait.
 This was excellent.  The motion effects are very realistic and the
 audio-animatronics captain is a riot.  Excellent Ride.  On to the
 Great Movie Ride.  After about a 20 minute wait, we hopped in our tram
 and got kidnaped by the gangster.  We were in the first seat, so we
 got picked on.  Lots of fun.  On to the Backstage Studio Tour.  No
 wait at all for the tram.  The highlight of this was Catastrophe Canyon.
 Not as good as the Universal Studios effects in Hollywood, but still
 fun.  I got soaked.  After doing the Universal tour in Hollywood, this
 ride is a disappointment, but it is still fun.  However, the walking
 part of the tour was pretty good.  There's a neat demonstration of
 water effects that was fun, except that for the second part of it, the
 tour guide re-started the first part and couldn't stop it.  So what
 we saw were all kinds of special effects that happened all out of place.
 Oh well...  A highlight/must see is the Superstar Television Attraction.
 EXCELLENT.  Members from the audience get to see themselves "spliced" in
 to old and new television shows.  What they do is film people on sets
 that match those sets in the TV clip and them put them together.  Lots
 of fun.  For example, someone got to sit at the bar in cheers , another
 was in the opening credits for Gilligan's Island, one was in the I Love
 Lucy show, and so on.  About 12 scenes in all.

 Next onto the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular.  The opening scene is
 by far the best in this one.  Plenty of fun.  Rounding off the attractions
 was the Monster Sound Show (where some poor folks try to keep up with
 dubbing the film's sound effects - a great laugh) and The animation
 tour.  They have some excellent videos in each attraction starring famous
 stars that are wonderfully done.  (Including - a hilarious short where
 Bette Midler chases a winning lottery ticket through New York City 
 - introductions to animation by Robin Williams and Walter Cronkite
 - introductions to sound effects and editing by Pee Wee Herman and
   Mel Gibson).

 To end the day, we had dinner at the Brown Derby Restaurant.  Excellent
 food and service.  One more ride on Star Tours and a viewing of the
 Fireworks ended the night.

 We returned to the hotel and checked in.  We would be staying on the
 Concierge Level overlooking the Pool and Epcot Center.  Beautiful
 Accommodations.  I highly recommend it [though it's a bit pricey, but
 we didn't care - we weren't paying anyway].

 Day 2 - The Magic Kingdom
 -------------------------

 After a painfully early start [lots of yawns] we headed to the concierge
 lounge for a quick breakfast, then boarded the shuttle to the Kingdom.
 We went straight to Space Mountain to avoid the lines (well, at least
 it was only about 40 minutes *ouch*.  I think that if this ride was
 even darker, it would be more fun.  But then, I'm a roller coaster fanatic,
 and as rollercoasters go, this one is still pretty tame.  We then tried to
 hit those attractions that we really wanted to see.  We had to go back to
 the hotel later in the afternoon to get ready for dinner, so we had limited
 time.  We did manage to hit, in no particular order, the haunted mansion
 [which I love], Big Thunder Mountain Railroad [again, for roller coaster
 buffs, this one's very ordinary], Pirates of the Caribbean, the Enchanted
 Tiki Room [fun fun fun], The Country Bear Vacation Hoedown [formerly the
 country bear Jamboree now with all new songs], the penny arcade, lunch at
 the mile-long bar, and a stop for Dole-whip [two thumbs up].

 We took the shuttle back to our hotel and took a dip in the pool to 
 cool off before changing into formal clothing for dinner.
 We would be having dinner at the Empress Room aboard the Empress Lily
 at Pleasure Island.  After changing up, we hopped into a Lincoln Continental
 taxi [this would be no ordinary dinner] and headed to Pleasure Island.
 After meeting all 4 of our waiters [ this place insists on catering to
 your EVERY need], we placed our orders and sat down to one of the more
 magnificent meals I've had in a while.  1st Course, a half-bottle of
 Pouilly-Fuisse wine.  Escargo for the lady, Coquilles St. Jacques for
 myself.  Followed with a Caesar's salad prepared table-side.  Now for
 a bit of sorbet to clear the palette. [served in a chilled glass
 flower].  Ah yes, dinner time.  First a bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon.
 Tournedos of Beef for the lady, Rack of Lamb for myself.  We opted to
 pass on desert and went straight for the coffee and tea.  But wait, the
 waiter brought out an extra entree for the lady.  A large Silver Platter
 with the dome cover and two glasses of champagne served in crystal. 
 The waiter lifts the dome, revealing a red rose [to pin on], baby's 
 breath, and...and...and...a diamond engagement ring.  And yes, she
 said "yes"!!!!!!!   Whew!   

 To complete the night [as if it could have possibly gotten any better]
 my new fiancee and myself went to Pleasure Island to celebrate New Year's
 Eve [which is celebrated every night here].  What a fun place!  Drinking
 and dancing in the streets and lots of fun nightclubs.  After an after
 dinner drink at the Fire-works factory, we headed to Mannequins to
 dance the night away on their revolving dance floor.  We headed back
 outside after that to enjoy the celebrations.  Music is playing constantly
 all over the island and the DJ continues to count down to Midnight.  I
 stopped at a stand and bought a "garbage can".  This is a *huge* drink
 served in a mini garbage pail and is a real knock-you-out.  It's sort
 of a cross between a Scorpion-bowl and a Long Island Iced Tea.  Next
 we stumbled to the main square for the midnight countdown.  4-3-2-1-0
 and fireworks everywhere and streamers coming out of the sky.  Everywhere
 in the park, dancers in costumes start heading for the main stage, where
 they finally end up and perform for a while and the finally ends with
 another blast of fireworks.  This is a great place, and if you love to
 party, I urge you to check it out.  Just follow the dancing spotlights....

 Day 3 - Epcot Center
 --------------------
  
 Following the advice in Birnbaum's book, we went straight to the World
 Showcase.  He's right.  Everyone and there brother goes straight for
 the geosphere where the line was over an hour long.  In comparison,
 World Showcase was EMPTY.  We had breakfast at the French Pavilion at
 the Boulangerie, and then on to Canada for a great 360 movie.  A walk
 through the  streets of London and then off to the rest of the pavilion's.
 Standouts were Norway [the Maelstrom is a neat ride, thrilling only for
 small children], China [with a GREAT 360 movie] and Mexico, whose pavilion
 gives you the sense of being outdoors at night.  By far, the American
 Pavilion is the best attraction in the showcase with excellent audio-
 animatronic Ben Franklin and Mark Twain and others; a very moving pavilion
 emotionally.  Oh yeah, after coming out of Norway, we experienced some
 very severe weather which forced us to buy Disney ponchos [$3.50 a pop].
 However, we took advantage of the storm and trudged through about 4 inches
 of flood water [it really *poured*] to Futureworld where the lines had
 pretty much disappeared as the not so brave scrambled for dry ground.

 Standouts in Futureworld were:
       - Journey into Imagination with Dreamfinder and Figment.  A real
         catchy tune [Im-mah-gin-nay-shun....]
       - Horizons with it TWO omnisphere theatres during the ride
       - Body Wars - EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT.  Not for those prone
         to motion sickness, as it is a real bumpy ride
       - the geosphere [about communication] - real neat star field
       - The Living Seas - Very large Salt water tank that you can 
         walk through [via observation "decks"]
       
 We ended the day by having dinner at The Land Grille.  This is a 
 revolving restaurant which at one point takes you over several scenes
 in the attraction.  Finished dinner just in time to catch Illuminations.
 This is not to be missed.  Really neat laser show.

 Day 4 - our final day
 ---------------------

 We decided to sleep in today and catch the later 11:00 shuttle to
 DisneyWorld.  We decided to take in some of the rides in the Magic 
 Kingdom that we didn't get to on Saturday.  We managed to go on:
 The Jungle Cruise [ba-a-a-a-d jokes], Mister Toad's Wild Ride [not so
 wild], The Frontierland Riverboat, the Railroad, and Magic Journeys.  This
 was the best attraction of the day.  Magic Journeys is a 3D movie presented
 in Fantasyland by Kodak.  It is EXCELLENT.  You want to reach out and touch
 some of the items presented during the movie.  Must see.

 We also got the catch the 3:00 character parade which was a bonus.  We had
 an unobstructed viewing area [at the entrance to Adventureland looking
 towards the bridge which goes to Cinderella's Castle] that allowed me
 to get some great pictures.  

 Another shuttle back to the hotel, where we picked up our luggage and
 headed to the airport.  After take-off, we flew over Cape Canaveral 
 where you could see the Space Shuttle in the launch tower.  Another
 nice bonus.

 And that was our trip!  3 parks, four days, and a fiancee out of it.
 Not too shabby!  Now off to Disneyland in June.....

John
183.20May 2-13, 1990, Trip Report!ANNIE::LUNDTue Jun 05 1990 18:22397
    Our WDW trip report, May 2nd - May 13th, 1990
    
        Just two of us, Annie and Stan
    
    Pre-trip stuff : We got our tickets in advance at the Disney Store
        in Pheasant Lane Mall (Nashua, NH). The ticket lines were long
        at the parks, first thing in the morning, so this saved having
        to wait in line when we got to WDW.
        
        Made reservations for Prime Time Cafe for lunch (MGM)
        and Rose and Crown Pub  for dinner (EPCOT) for 5/3. A benefit
        to staying on WDW, otherwise you have to make them that day
        at the restaurant (or in EPCOT at WORLDKEY back of Spaceship Earth).
        This is really convient, since if you want to eat in EPCOT for
        dinner, but you're going to be in MGM in the morning, you don't
        have to be in EPCOT to make the dinner reservations.
        
        
  5/2 The Day! Finished packing stuff up in the morning, and ran errands.
      Stan and I took different routes to Logan, since we were coming from
      different places. No traffic on way to Logan, flight took off pretty
      much on time, and we landed in Orlando at about 7:15pm. It was still
      light out. Of course we were going from the 60's to 95 and humid, ugh!
      Went to get rental car, took forever, didn't get hassled over CDW, but
      AAA had gotten us a period rate of $153.20 for 12 days, unlimited mileage.
      Took AVIS about 1/2 hour to figure out how to enter it in the computer
      so that it would show up on the rental agreement correctly. Finally
      we are off to check into CBR. Got checked in and settled about 9:30,
      took a walk over to Port Royale and checked it out. It was till
      quite hot out! Port Royale is set up similar to the food courts at
      your local mall, but food is much better. IE, several different
      order and pickup food places and then a large comfortable seating
      area. 
      
      We were in Barbados, the beds were very comfortable, the bathroom is
      small, toilet/tub, not much moving around room, sinks are outside the
      bathroom in an alcove. Info on Disney's info channel is not necessarily
      correct, it consistently said MGM was open at 6am, we were there at 5
      of 7 and it didn't open till 7am.
      
  5/3 The first day! UP bright and early and ready to go! Took the bus to MGM,
      Barbados is the last stop in CBR before heading to the parks, so that
      was nice, we always seemed to time it right to arrive at the stop just
      as the right bus was arriving. It was also the last stop returning to
      CBR, but that was ok, sitting a few extra minutes always felt good!
      Arrived at MGM just a couple minutes before it opened, very few
      people! Took some pictures of the entrance, and Mickey up on the
      globe. Went in, headed for Great Movie Ride, literally walked on,
      and was in the second car, it was good!, then over to Star Tours, and
      again walked right in, (now this was going to be my fourth time, as
      I had done this three times in Disneyland last fall), but Stan's first,
      it was still a really good ride, and Stan enjoyed it, especially since
      he didn't know what to expect! Went right onto the backstage tour,
      walked right on! The cars were maybe half full. Catastrophe Canyon was
      great as well as seeing the backstage area. Took a break then went
      on the rest of the tour, it was interesting to see the different
      soundstages. They were building a standing stage (permanent) for one
      of the game shows which is supposed to start filming there in  late
      June, another opportunity, be on a game show while touring WDW!
      
      Left here, took a break and then headed for Indiana Jones... they
      were already seating people, we got in and ended up off on the right side
      That was great!
      
      By now it's 10:45 and we have 45 minutes till lunch at the Prime Time
      Cafe.... so we browsed through some shops.
      
      Prime Time Cafe.... Didn't really like it, the food was not that good,
      I think we had heard so many comments about it, that we set really
      high expectations, and so it didn't meet what we were expecting.
      
      1pm, Now it's quite crowded, back to CBR for a break.
      
      Returned to EPCOT, the new things since last visit are NORWAY, WONDERS
      of Life, LIVING SEAS and Captain EO. Went into Living Seas and enjoyed
      it, it is mostly a large aquarium, but interesting. There were divers
      feeding the fish.
      
      Left, still time before dinner, went into Journey into Imagination
      (Figment is my favorite!). Then headed out to the Rose and Crown
      Pub for dinner (Great Britain), The swan and dalphin hotels are visable
      behind France, they stick out like a sore thumb. Dinner at the Rose
      and Crown was mediocre, not what we had remembered since our last trip.
      Also did Norway and Mexico... Again I think the ride in Norway is really
      built up to be more than it really is. Unfortunately you can see the ride
      coming to the point where it "looks like it is going over" outside as
      you approach the ride so it ruins it, I again was looking for something
      more. It was still fun! Went into World of Motion, 
      and rode through the ride, and also got one of those booklets that
      has the coupons to get a free Videotape by visiting a dealer. Now we just
      neeed to find tiome to visit a dealer! Hint, if you want their souvenier
      booklet but don't want the ride, go around to the right side
      where the exit doors are, they had stacks of them near the exit doors,
      wait for someone to come out, and then slip in and get one. This offer
      expired in Oct, 1990.
      
      OK, we're tired, back to CBR for sleep!
      
      
      
5/4   2nd day, back at MGM, this time for 8am. Crowds very light,
      Did great movie ride (1st car) and Star tours again, had brunch
      at Hollywood and Vine, relaxed, did the animation Tour! We really
      enjoyed that, took some pictures and did some shopping. The
      outdoor theater was closed to redo the staging. Opened again by
      end of next week. Watched some of the street scenes. Headed back
      to CBR to relax.
      
      Back to EPCOT, took car since we were staying for Illuminations,
      went into Wonders of Life, this was quite crowded, and waited about
      1/2 hour for Body Wars, that was great also, that was also the only
      place all week that we waited more than 5-10 mintues to get into
      anything. Then went into Cranial Command, that was really good also.
      Browsed around. Then headed for the Land for Dinner. That was excellent!
      We really like the cheese bread! BTW they have the recipe available
      at the host/hostess stand! I have a copy at home, will try it one of
      these days.
      
      Having soo much fun almost forgot to call the balloon place to
      confirm our Monday morning Hot Air Balloon ride. Illuminations
      was great!. Back to CBR. The Cinnamon Buns at the bakery in CBR
      are really good!
      
      
 5/5  Third day, planned on heading for the Kennedy Space Center, but
      rain was predicted, so we headed to Magic Kingdom instead, got there
      about 10, got a 4:45 reservation to Diamond Horseshoe Review. Still
      extremely hot and humid! Still in the 90-95b range, third day of this
      is alittle too much. Had Breakfast in Crystal Palace, did some shopping,
      did Thunder Mountain Railroad, Pirates of Caribbean, the River boat, very
      busy, long lines for Haunted House, didn't want to wait, Wedway, enjoyed
      the ability to sit and cool off, it stopped and we had a 5 minute or
      so wait, went into dreamflight, it was ok, again nice to be in from
      the heat! Caught the parade, had dinner in the Liberty Inn Tavern.
      
      
      Did some shopping, and then left about 6pm. Magic Kingdom was closing
      at 8pm. Weekend Nights were grad nights, for 1990 graduating high school
      seniors. Magic Kingdom reopened from 11pm-5am for grads. Caught part
      of the Illuminations from CBR.
      
5/6   A non disney day, headed for Kennedy Space Center, this was an interesting
      tour. Columbia was out on the pad (A) and watch the IMAX movie... Again
      very hot and humid! Back to CBR for the rest of the evening. Laundry time,
      a couple came in the guy said "so this is what it is like in WDW". His
      wife said the fantasy would be to have some one else do the laundry, and
      my response was, my fantasy would be that the clothes didn't get dirty no
      matter what you did while in WDW! No need to do laundry!!!... Oh Well...
      
      Early night, since we are supposed to be at the balloon place at 5:45
      the next morning....
      
      
5/7   It's too windy so the balloon ride is postponed. What a disappointment
      we were really looking forward to it, oh well tomorrow! Time to check
      out of CBR and head for our timeshare exchange.
      
      Dropped stuff off, today was reserved for exploring the resort hotels
      in WDW.
            
      We started at the Polynesian for a late breakfast, we got the TONGA
      (banana stuffed french toast) That was excellent. We browsed through
      the shops, went out and used the water sprites and hung around the
      pool for awhile! 
      
      Now on to the Grand Floridan, we walked around and sat in the lobby.
      This is great! They have a grand piano in the lobby, and a band on
      the first balcony. Stan was taking some pictures outside, and one of
      those little resort carts they used to get around in was approaching,
      it stopped while Stan got his picture, the person driving said hello
      and hoped we were enjoying our stay and then continued on his way
      after Stan was done, Now hows that for service!
      
      Then we were off to the Contemporary. The Concourse Grille has some
      fabulous desserts. It was mid afternoon (2:30ish), so we went in to
      get something to drink. They have a Chefs Collosal(SP?) Dessert Special,
      this one was 4 layers of chocolate cake (light) with a chocolate mousse
      type frosting and filling between layers, we were warned it was huge,
      so we share it! A nice way to take a break. Then we went went up to
      the observation deck and looked around, you can get a really nice
      view of the lagoon and the resort hotels, and MK.

      From here we went back to the TTC and caught a bus over to the Disney
      Village Marketplace, to do some shopping. On the way there we past a
      new construction site, which was mostly graded and a sign that said
      site of Dixie Landings Resort. Sorry can't tell you where on WDW we
      were at that point, besides somewhere between TTC and the Village
      Market place. We shopped, we went over to Pleaseure Island and
      browsed there, then we headed back to CBR where we had left the car,
      on the way off WDW we stopped into the SWAN. The colors on the outside
      is what's been used on the inside also! The SWAN has a tram and a
      water shuttle over to EPCOT, it stops at a new entrance to EPCOT
      between FRANCE and GREAT BRITAIN. The SWAN leaves alot to be desired.
      It has a fairly LARGE conference center attached to it, and all the
      parking is near the conference center, the entrance to the SWAN is really
      way around the side. Furthermore, there were a couple of conventions
      taking place there, so there were tons of people with name badges
      on. Not the relaxing atmosphere you'd want from a vacation. Also,
      the other resort hotels have nice walking paths, waterfronts, water
      sports, etc, the Swan doesn't have any of this. The Dolphin is supposed
      to be opening in June/July and the Yacht/Beach Clubs looked like they
      were coming along, expected to open in October time frame. If anyone
      stays here, I'd be interested in finding out what they think of the
      atmosphere, etc.
        
            One note here, if you're staying in the Swan, the transportation
            from the Swan is not that great, I'd assume it will improve
            once the other resorts open. There's the water shuttle and tram
            over to EPCOT, and I think (not positive) there is a water shuttle
            to MGM. So if you want to go to Magic Kingdom (for now), you'd
            have to catch the water shuttle or tram to EPCOT, walk through
            EPCOT to the monorail, or take the water shuttle over to MGM
            and then catch a bus over to the TTC...
            
      We had a fantastic day, now CULTURE SHOCK time..... it was dark,
      and we were heading back onto 192 to the condo, then all of a sudden you
      are faced with neon signs and blinking message signs, wall to wall!
      There is no sign ordinance and it was worse then Reno Nevada, or
      the Casino area on Lake Tahoe! Wow, how tacky...... Well guess the
      fanatasy was over....
      
      HINT: If you're spending time on WDW and then some off WDW, be sure
      to save the last part of the trip for on WDW!!!!!!
      
5/8   We are up early, and yup the weather is good enough for the balloon
      ride, so we are off and in Orlando for 5:30ish(am). The crew/passengers
      met and headed for the launch site. One other balloon was taking off at
      this site. We are north of WDW, and the winds are NOT blowing to the
      SW, so looks like we will be going just NORTH of WDW, WHAT A MAJOR
      DISSAPOINTMENT!!!, The balloon ride was great, but you could see WDW
      off to the south! The worst part was another Balloon had launched
      south of Orlando and was going right over EPCOT and MAGIC KINGDOM!,
      We were in the wrong balloon, next time We'd do it again, but we'd
      arrange a private balloon that would vary its launch site to make
      sure we go over WDW!
      
      The rest of the day was relaxing and some shopping. Boy were we
      having withdrawal symptoms from being on WDW. Most places on
      International Drive, and Rt 192 (in Kissimmee) have booths set up
      in front of them with people trying to sell you discount tickets
      or buy up the unused portions of your WDW passports. Boy this was
      obnoxious! You try to ignore them or be polite and say you are all
      set and they would say are you sure, and keep going. Then if you
      haven't bought anything from them, they follow you to the car and
      ask what passprt you have and tell you to come back and see them
      and they'll buy the unused portions..... Between that and the
      signs everywhere... YUCK! We did go to a miniture golf place, that
      was fun....
      
      We stopped somewhere to eat dinner, and in the middle of dinner
      someone came up to the table and was doing fundraising for something,
      that was the last straw.
      
5/9   Today we planned to spend the whole day down at Busch Gardens, however,
      before heading south to Tampa, we swung into WDW and stopped at the
      CBR. We wanted to see if they had any rooms for the rest of our stay,
      (Guess who didn't want to be off WDW anymore!), We had to call the
      CRO (Central Reservation Office), they had nothing in the CBR, but
      they did have something at the Polynesian, a garden view, we said we'd
      take it! In the process of taking our information down, yet before she
      could confirm it someone got the room out from underneath us. Seems
      they need to have some type of locking mechanism... Now thats like
      taking a piece of candy away from a child, she put us on hold, and
      I was afraid she'd come back and tell us there wasn't anything, luckily
      there was a parking lot view, we tooook it!!! For Thurs-Sun. It's
      Wednesday and were on our way down to Busch Gardens now! And we were
      really looking forward to checking back into WDW (Polynesian) the next
      day. We had a great time at Busch Gardens, a great place for photgraphs!
      
      Got back around 7pm, and relaxed. It started to RAIN, the first time
      it had rained while we were there. and it rained through the night.
      
5/10  Got up and packed stuff up for the move back to Poly. Still raining,
      but supposed to clear up by mid morning, so we headed for EPCOT,
      now it's thundering out.... We decided we'd still go for it. Got into
      EPCOT and headed for the LAND  for breakfast at the LAND GRILLE. Now
      that was excellent! By the time breakfast was over (10am) the sun was out
      and it was extremely muggy.... Head for the back to go through the
      countries. Went through/browsed through all of them, skipped the films
      since we'd seen them several times before. Headed for the monorail
      to go check into the Poly. Relaxed and then headed back to EPCOT.Took
      pictures, ate at Alfredo's (Italy), excellent. 
      Rode on Horizons, watched Illuminations and then
      headed back to CBR where we had  parked the car.
      Went back to the condo got our stuff and headed back to the Poly.
    
5/11  Last day on our 5 day passport.

      Back to EPCOT, had breakfast at the Land Grille, again excellent!,
      then went into Journey Thru Imagination and saw CAPTAIN EO... That
      was pretty good, music was alittle too loud... Went through the
      communicores, and Spaceship earth, the ride in spaceship earth has
      some updated sections since 1985... The ride stops frequently also!
      Finished up at EPCOT, then headed for the Contemporary for a early
      dinner. Then headed to MGM for some night pictures and to do some
      of the things we'd missed. Rode STAR TOURS again! did the monster
      sound show, that was really good, did the Superstar Television, that
      was good, did Indiana Jones AGAIN! We were right in the middle this
      time, and then shopped and then watched the fireworks.
      
5/12  This is a day to relax, we hung around the Poly, walked over to
      the Grand Floridian and sat in the lobby for awhile, and listened
      to their Classical Ensemble..... Had breakfast and dinner at the
      Poly. For Breakfast we went to The Character Breakfast Buffet,
      and Minnie let us know she was not pleased that we didn't have kids!
      And we had Dinner in the Coral Isle Cafe, that was execllent also.....
      Caught the Water Pagent in front of the Polynesian, and caught the
      fieworks at MGM from our balcony.
      
5/13  Last day, packed up and checked out, Had Breakfast at The Coral Isle,
      then lounged around, went over to the Grand Floridian again, then
      headed for Disney Village. When we were all done, we headed for the
      airport. We were able to fly standby on an earlier flight (which I
      hadn't been able to get seats on when making reservations back in
      January), and arrived back in Boston, (about 40 degrees! after leaving
      95 degreee weather), We had a limo take us back to the house, and
      you know the fantasy is over when...
      
            You get out of the limo and the grass is almost a foot tall
            
            
    Over all it was a great vacation, time to do what we wanted, but also time
    to relax. We would not stay off of Disney property again, there are still
    a couple of things we'd like to do off WDW (Sea World, Universal Studios),
    There was few new things (except for MGM) so there wasn,t the pressure to
    see everything new! We enjoyed having the time to have sit down meals and
    go back and relax in the aftrnoons (when it was hottest), and it is really
    alot of fun watching the kids (of all ages)...
    
        So when will our next trip be???? 
        
                            

    Passports or Resort ID's - A warning: You need to have a 4/5/6 day
    passport or a resort id to use the transportation system. The problem
    is they are not very good at checking to see if you have one when
    boarding in many places. Therefore it is possible to get somewhere,
    without one, only to try and get back and be asked for one! I assume they
    must be more strict with it in the busy seasons, most of the times the
    buses were half empty. After going in and out of the Grand Floridian
    several times, we were asked for an id the last day we were there to
    reboard the monorail!
    
    Photo's - It really depends on what you like to do with photography,
    We both have Minolta x700's, and several different lenses. You can
    get interesting pictures from the same spots at different times of the
    day. High speed film does work well inside the attractions, especially
    in EPCOT. We have many nice pictures from inside Journey into Imag.,
    World of motion, The land, the different countries, etc. WDW is an
    EXCELLENT place to practice technique at. For instance, you can get some
    really interesting pictures through the archways in Morocco, and also
    you can get an interesting picture of spaceship earth, through the
    paddlewheel (which is along the shore infront of Morocco). I have a
    nice picture with the sphere framed within the spokes of the paddlewheel!
    So we take are cameras all the time and look for different things! The
    late afternoon sun shining on buildings gives a very different impression
    then a morning or evening shot. Furthermore, catching the monorail
    coming (or is it going) around the sphere at early duck is nice!
    
    Subtle Changes

    The KODAK picture spots are not necessarily the best place to take a
    picture! These places were picked back when the parks opened. For instance
    in EPCOT some places that really were a great picture spot back in '84,
    aren't that great now that the landscaping as matured. So look around,
    you can get some interesting shots!
    
    Back in '84 - '85 when looking across the lake in the World Showcase,
    you could see the countries across the lake really well, now they are
    not so visible with the growth in the landscaping (the trees especially).
    
    In particular, the welcome arch (not really an arch, whatever you call it)
    in Japan, had a clear view of the sphere. In otherwords you could get a
    clear picture of the sphere within the arch and it was nice. Can't do
    that anymore, the trees on the islands inbetween these two points have
    grown tall enough to block the view.
    
    WDW Sound Systems: Have you ever stopped to see where the soundsystems
    are hidden? It is interesting! Did you know the rocks along the shore
    in front of Canada have some built into them, when they were doing
    Illuminations, a section on the top of the rock would start to rise,
    and a speaker would end up being raised up 12+feet!, When it was done
    it quietly lowered and disappeared into the rock.

    Timesharing: We like our timesharing, and enjoy trading it, and the
    timeshare (RESORT WORLD of ORLANDO) is nice down there, but when we
    went down specifically to spend time at WDW, and most of the time was
    spent there, the timeshare did not fit in. It is not convient to hop on
    a monorail/bus and be back at the resort in a couple of minutes, you need
    to climb back in the car, drive out and then when you want to come back you
    need to drive back, a hassle, plus the atmosphere off WDW really ruins it,
    once you've stayed on! I would not trade there again, I'd stay on WDW and
    use my timeshare to visit other places!
    
    
                -Annie
183.21The Campbell ReportXNOGOV::KARENwhen you wish upon a star...Wed Jun 06 1990 16:00417
                         WALT DISNEY WORLD TRIP REPORT

	                    26 April to 3 May 1990

	                          Trippers:
                                            Karen and Shaun, plus
                                            Karen's Mum and Dad


Thursday 26 April
-----------------

Weather: Coolish; becoming warmer all the time

At 11.57 am Virgin Atlantic's flight VS047 roared west out of London
Gatwick bound for Orlando.  The non-stop eight and a half hour flight
transported us from the cool, grey skies of England to a hot and sunny
Florida afternoon.

We experienced the quirks of Orlando International by reclaiming our
luggage twice.  Still, Virgin Atlantic had been kind enough to point this out
as we made our final approach.  Getting through immigration and customs
was a long and slow process, but we finally emerged to a waiting Lindos
courtesy bus that took us to their car hire place.  This was mayhem!  A
'plane load of Brits all collecting their cars at the same time and edging
nervously out onto the Floridian highways!  We joined a queue to get our car
after registering and then baked for a good time in the 83 degree
heat.  We finally arrived at the Wynfield Inn on Westwood Boulevard at 6.30 pm,
exactly three hours after arriving in the country.  Our body clocks now
said 11.30 pm and we were tired.  Nevertheless, we showered and bought a
wonderful Hawaiian pizza from Flippers round the corner from the hotel,
and soon it really was time for bed.


Friday 27 April
---------------

Weather: Mid 80s, sunny and very warm

We breakfasted at the Village Inn, next door to the Wynfield on bacon,
eggs, buttermilks and maple syrup.  Yummy!  This was definitely the start of
my love affair with buttermilks and maple syrup...

We took things easy and sat by the pool for a while before strolling
through the Sheraton World and over to Sea World.  This was beautiful and
broke us in gently for the big parks.  


Saturday 28 April
-----------------

Weather: Dull and overcast; heavy rain late afternoon; evening sunshine

The day we'd all been waiting for; Disney day!  With our body clocks still
into UK time, we were up and off quite early.  The car park at the Magic 
Kingdom, when we arrived there, was very full and so were the trolleys to
the main gate, and so was the queue to buy tickets, and so was the queue
for the monorail...in fact, there were people everywhere.

Using my MKC discount card we bought four day passes for just over $88
The proper price was just over $100.  We were happy before we even
got thorough the turnstiles!

Main Street USA was just as lovely as it had been for Shaun and I two and a
half years earlier.  Mum and Dad were enthralled straight away!  So for the
first half hour or so we zipped in and out of the shops on Main Street
and did as we'd been advised in notes and bought personalized Mickey ears as
presents sooner rather than later to avoid the queues. 

We wandered up to Cinderella's Castle and the shops, then took the Peter Pan
ride in Fantasy Land before deciding we were peckish.  After another huge
breakfast we thought we'd try something light so found the baked potato
wagon near Frontierland.  These were very nicely cooked and came with lots
and lots of butter, something you don't normally get a lot of back home.
As we ate these Donald Duck and Goofy appeared from nowhere and a character
greeting was underway.  People swarmed in from all directions to take
pictures of and cuddle their heroes.  Mum and I were no exception!

Next we did the paddle steamer and the Country Bears Jamboree.  We got straight
onto the boat, but queued for what seemed like an eternity to get in
and see the bears.  Shaun and I thought they were worthwile; Mum and Dad
I'm not so sure about.  But we just loved those Californian bears!

It was now very overcast and cool, so we went into the Hall of Presidents
expecting to wander round a room full of pictures.  We were surprised to be
ushered into a great big cinema for a film and audio-animatronics show.
Sorry to say we found this a bit long-winded and probably the least
appealling of the things we saw that day.

By the time we came out it was nearing 3 o'clock and parade time.  It was
also beginning to rain.  Plastic ponchos were darting everywhere.  But
could we find some to buy?  Of course we couldn't!  In the true spirit
of Disney the show must go on and round and round came a lot of wet,
bedraggled jungle book animals, Snow White, Mickey, Dumbo and many, many
more.  It was now pouring with rain, but luckily we managed to shelter near
the Diamond Horseshoe Review.  It was ...zip!zip!zip!...lovely despite the
...zip!zip!zip! rain.  As my Mum said, the Magic Kingdom must be the
happiest place on earth!

After the parade the rain eased and we were able to get round to see the
Tiki Birds quite easily without getting too wet.  Then we went on Pirates
of the Carribean and did get wet!  This was fabulous and worth the twenty
minutes or so we spent down in the caves waiting to go on.  It was
brilliant the way the car whooshed down and wet us all and the audio-
animatronics in there were just great.  The dog with the keys in its mouth
really amused us a lot!

Then came the longest queue of all for the Jungle Cruise.  It was never
ending and must have taken about 40 minutes.  But it was well worth it in
the end.  Shaun and I didn't remember the Nile bit of it from last time,
though.

Blueberry muffins and hot tea followed in the Main Street Bake Shop.  These
were to keep our energies up for getting out of the park at the end of
the day.  Definitely not advisible to shop in Main Street on the way home!
The crowds were incredible!


Sunday 29 April
---------------

Weather: Extremely hot and sunny, probably in the high 90s

By this time I was well and truely into the Disney tennis shoe syndrome and
decided to buy a pair of L.A. Gear.  So off we went to the Belz Factory Outlet.
There were so many shops!  It was like heaven!  The adverts down
International Drive saying "shop 'till you drop!" were very true.  By
midday I was still going strong, and we'd only intended to have a ten
minute stop off on our way to EPCOT!  Eventually, I found just what I 
wanted in Frugal Frank's.  

A quick pitstop at MacDonald's to refuel on Big Macs and banana shakes and we
were in EPCOT.  The car park was busy but there were no queues and we walked
straight onto Spaceship Earth at 1.40 pm without a single person in the queue.
This was fabulous!!  

As it was a beautiful day we decided to do a retake of the character
parade back in the Magic Kingdom, this time to get some sunny pictures. 
We got there about 2.30 pm and got a very good view by standing outside
the Emporium.  There we could see everyone coming out of the "garage". 
It was a brilliant place to be.  Much better than further up Main Street.
The parade started off with one or two school bands followed by a family,
chosen from the crowds, who were paraded up Main Street in a car, and, I 
think wearing Mickey ears.   Then we were into the big stuff...Captain Hook,
Cinderella, Snow White, Mary Poppins, the Mad Hatter, Alice, a walking tea
pot and lots, lots more.  With nobody in front of us it was perfect for
taking pictures, and take a lot we did between waving and greeting the
characters.  This must have been perfection!

By this time the parade had finished the heat was unbearable and we headed
straight for something to cool us down in the Main Street Bake Shop.  Yes,
we'd taken a real liking to this place.  But lemonade is just too wet on
its own, so we ended up with wedges of cheesecake topped off with
strawberries.  This was just the thing we needed to set us up for the rest
of the afternoon.

Next we made our way back to the castle.  It was cordened off as a
"Disneymania" show was just about to start.  How lovely to see lots of the
old faithful characters and some of the new like Oliver.  We spent a lovely
few minutes here watching all the singing and dancing before heading off
towards Tomorrowland where we took in Dreamflight, the WEDway people
mover and the Skyway.  Then it was off to Mickey's Birthday land and the
train back to Frontierland.  

Then, basically, we took in all the things we hadn't done the day before,
like Mr Toad's Wild Ride, 20,000 Leagues, Cinderella's Carrousel and ended
up going home via the shops on Main Street (we must have been mad!).  Our
favourites today were 20,000 Leagues and Mr Toad's Wild Ride.

The queues for the monorail were so long that we took our chance with the
ferry, but didn't quite make it and had a long and hot wait for the next
one.  But the beautiful view of the Magic Kingdom at dusk as we sailed
across the lake must be one of the lovliest ever and with all the lights
twinkling over it, we soon forgot how hot, tired and thirsty we were!

Now two days into the Disney programme and we were beginning to wonder
just how we were going to muster the energy for the rest of the week...Dad
said he thought he'd come here for a holiday...


Monday 30 April
---------------

Weather: Extremely hot and sunny; again temperatures probably in the high
         90s

A day off from Disney took us to Kennedy Space Center.  With one shuttle
just landed a couple of days before, and Columbia on the launch pad ready to
to go it was mega-busy.  Fortunately, we took a coach trip from the hotel
and cut out most of the hassles of driving and queuing for tickets etc.
I won't go into the ins and outs of the day as it's not Disney Business, but a
great and fascinating day was had by all.  Well worth the visit...and the
ice cream floaters were ...dare I say it? out of this world!  But, beware
the cafeteria!!!

That evening we took in the Disney Village Marketplace as the day had been
relatively short.  There was a lovely, magical sort of atmosphere as we
wandered round all those wonderful shops, selling all those wonderful
things.  The Empress Lily looked magestical, too, with all her lights
twinkling on the lake.  We also glimpsed some of the non-stop lasers from
Pleasure Island, but didn't find the time to go there.


Tuesday 1 May 
-------------

Weather: Extremely hot and sunny; yet again, temperatures in the 90s

We hit EPCOT around midday, suitably refreshed from lounging by the hotel
pool and doing a bit of shopping.  There were no queues and it was easy to
get in.  Having done the geosphere on the last visit, we skipped that and
got straight into a photo session with Mickey, the spaceman.  He was cute!!
And how cute too, to see him sneak off to the water fountains for a drink
just like the rest of us!

To escape the blistering heat we headed for the Land to take in Listen to
the Land or the Kitchen Kabaret.  Both had long queues so we gave them a
miss and headed for the Living Seas.   Not being a fish lover I shivered my
way down to Sea Base Alpha in the hydrolator and through the huge aquarium
on the seacab.  But how amazing it all was when we got there.  We couldn't
get over how many unusual fish there were and how beautifully well kept
they all were.  Gradually my goosepimples diappeared in sheer awe of some
of these beautful creatures.  But, best of all, were the manatees!  We
spent ages watching these graceful, gentle giants nibbling away at cabbages
and hoped we would see them for real out in the seas off the Keys when we
got down there for the second part of the vacation...unbeknown to us at
that time, we were to be lucky!

Next on the agenda was Journey into Imagination.  The upward flowing
waterfall and the jumping water amused us on our way to see Captain E.O.
Surprise, surprise, there was no queue for Captain E.O., not because it's
losing in popularity but because the doors were just opening for the next
showing so we were soon in and ducking and diving to miss the boulders and
the beasties.  I loved it!!

Out of there and into the Journey into Imagination...loved the ride; hated
the awful picture on the video screen at the end!  But it's all in a day's
fun.

Off we trekked then to the World Showcase.  The "countries" were perhaps
smaller than we'd expected but seemed very authentic.  The United Kingdom
portrayed a very stereotyped olde worlde England, though!  But it was great to
see the old red 'phone boxes, which we don't have here any more and we
felt quite homesick seeing the "Rose and Crown" and the "Queen's Table"
giftshop that even sold the Royal Doulton china I collect at home.
France seemed authentic; the boulangerie was spot on!

It must have been early evening as our tums were telling us it was time for
food.  We made our way to Italy expecting a lovely juicy pizza only to be
disppointed that there was nothing we really fancied.  We trekked round and
round and, eventually, ended up back in the Stargate restaurant.  This was
probably the worse Disney food we had - prepackaged and plastic.  Ugh!

To console ourselves over our poor meal, we went shopping in the
Centorium!  We were well impressed by the fantasic range of goods this
place had to offer and Mum and I almost had to be dragged out...! 

By now it was twilight and EPCOT was looking its best, espcially Spaceship
Earth, now bathed in a purply blue light.  We were pleased we had stayed on
as EPCOT takes on another dimension in the dark which is definitely worth
seeing.

It wouldn't be long to the firework display so we hurried round some of the
attractions we'd missed in the afternoon, and more or less walked straight
on.  The World of Motion and particularly the Universe of Energy were 
show-stoppers in our book.  We really enjoyed it as we journeyed through
the steamy primeval forest, watching the battling dinosaurs and errupting
volcano.

The firework display took place at 10.00 pm, and we all agreed it was the
most magnificent display we had ever seen.  Well worth staying on for.  It
must have gone on for fifteen or twenty minutes and all of the displays
were absolutely breathtaking!  Not to mention all those beautiful colours.
It confirmed our opinion that Disney certainly don't do things by halves!  

As we exited the park the lasers were beaming the world map onto the
geosphere.  Marvellous!!



Wednesday 2 May
---------------

Weather: Extremely hot and sunny; high temperatures yet again

This was to be our last day in the holiday centre of the world and so we
spent part of the morning sun-bathing and then headed on to Disney Village
Marketplace to do the final bit of Disney shopping.  We found there were lots
of things there that hadn't been available at the stores in the Magic Kingdom
or EPCOT.  The shop selling the hand-blown glass was superb, and we bought
several glass souvenirs here.  Then, not wanting to repeat the food-wise
disaster of yesterday, we headed on down to TGI's for a meal.  The portions
were enormous and the service excellent.  We were ready for our attack on
MGM.

We arrived at MGM around 4.00 pm.  The main parking lot was crowded but not
over busy and we walked straight in.  The thing that stuck us was how small
it is compared with the other two parks.  But how lovely and atmospheric.
Walking in is like stepping back in time to a golden era of movies...and we
loved it from the gleaming Buick to replica of Grauman's (sp?) Chinese
Theater.  The atmoshere is tremendous...espcially the lovely, old movie
themes playing away in the background that make you want to sing and dance
your way around! 

The first attraction we took in was the Great Movie Ride.  This was
brilliant!  Hollywood....la...la...la...la...Hollywood...this tune created
just the right mood as we slid off in the huge car for our journey
into the movies.  The audio-animatronics were excellent!  Not only did the
characters sound just right, they looked and moved just perfectly.  We were
well and truely duped when our guide told us there was a temporary fault and
we couldn't proceed any further...it turned out to be a hijacking by a
gangster!!  This was great fun, and I think just about everybody on our
car entered into the spirit of it.  This was one thing I'm glad I hadn't
read about beforehand in the notesfile as it came as a complete surprise.

Having read about the backstage tour, and absolutely dying to try it out we
raced round for the next departure.  It proved popular as we had a long
time to wait for the train.  But, in true Disney style, once aboard our tour
guide kept us laughing all the way...

...but I was laughing on the other side of my face when we arrived at
Catastrophe Canyon as I was sitting on the left hand side of the train...
enough said!  I got soaked!!  But loved every minute!  The blinding flashes
of the explosions, the burning heat of them and the thousands of gallons
of water thrashing down the canyon, not to mention the rickety movements of
the train as we made our way through - it was a great experience and brilliant
fun!  Everyone on the train was screaming their heads off...and we were
no exception!  Brilliant!

Other parts of this tour were also fascinating, if nothing like as
spectacular as Catastrophe Canyon.  There was the the facade of the Golden
Girls' house, the fake New York street, Roger Rabbit's car and Dick Tracy's
wardrobe.  Gosh, was Dick Tracy B I G in MGM...everywhere you looked there
was something bearing the Dick Tracy trilby!  Talk about overkill.

At the end of Part I of the tour, we were glad to be able to get a drink in
the Studio Catering Co before heading off down the New York street and
round the corner to the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular.

The only drawback to the Backstage Tour is that it's a bit misleading.
Nowhere does it say that Part II is optional. It should really say something
in the MGM handout as two hours is a long time to think you're devoting
to one attraction...

Anyway, enough said and we enjoyed it!

We had a little time before Indiana started and wondered innocently into
Star Tours...there was very little queuing...and soon we were waiting to
board our spaceship.  When the announcement came on to keep your safety
belt fastened at all times, and put all valuables under your seat I
though...mm...bit strange...wonder what this is all about...wish I'd
done a U-turn there and then saved my blood-pressure a battering!  This
ride is horrendous!  And I'm not ashamed to admit I spent the whole time
screaming, eyes firmly closed and clammy palms clinging to the arm rests for
dear life!!!!  Unbeknown to me at the time, Mum was doing a similar thing!  We
exited pale faced and shaken and wondering why on earth there wasn't some
sort of warning on the ride to forewarn the lesser mortals amongst us!!
Even Shaun and Dad were paler and quieter than usual as we headed off for
Indy.

The stunt show was spectacular...every bit as good as it had sounded as we
arrived at MGM.  Some of it was probably lost on me as I'd never seen an
Indiana Jones film before.  Nevertheless, we had a great time.  We were
lucky to get in for the 8.00 pm showing and arrived just as they started
letting people onto the set.  So, again, no queue to speak of.  The show
was wonderful, and it being night-time added to the atomosphere of it.
Lots of picture taking here!

When we came out the place was throbbing with lovely movie tunes, hundreds
of people and thousands of lights...a wonderful sight over Echo Lake that
will stay in my memory for ever.  We had just enough time to squeeze in a
little more shopping on Hollywood Boulevard before taking in SuperStar
Television.  We entered this not knowing exactly what to expect and were
pleasantly surprised at how good it turned out to be...the woman from the
audience packing chocolates with "I Love Lucy", the girl from the audience
being chatted up at the "Cheers" bar, the guy from the audience giving a
belter of an interview to "Johnny Carson"...and could we ever forget "Howdy
Doody Time"??  The technical wizzardry of it all was superb, and you got
the feeling of really being in a studio audience...full marks for this one!

By now we'd covered most of the major attractions and had decided to stay
on for the fireworks...could they match the breathtaking beauty of those at
EPCOT last night...?  So it was a bit of a case of filling in time before
the big event at 11.00 pm.  Off we went to the Starring Rolls for a drink
and a gooey cake before going into the Animation Tour.  By now we were
feeling pretty tired, but the Robin Williams/Walter Cronkite duo kept us
entertained.  We just loved the Peter Pan cartoon who was the spitting
image of Robin...and the lines "slip me some wing, Tinkerbell" make us smile
even now!  It was clever the way we were shown round the amimation section
and the Robin/Walter dialogue made a complicated process seem fun.  Well
worth the time, if you have it.

Soon it was time to make our way to Hollywood Boulevard for the fireworks.
They were good and entertaining as they fired up in time to all the old
movie themes, but they were quite short and could not compare to the
spectacle of EPCOT.  Sorry MGM!

High on the joys of MGM, and, indeed Disney,  we headed home to pack for the
second leg of our vacation in the Florida Keys...



POSTSCRIPT

Wednesday 6 June
----------------

Weather: Cool, cloudy and rainy

We're all back home now.  And the Disney magic all seems light years away...

Guess there has to be a next time...



Karen Campbell
183.22"Let's Make a Deal"ATE012::BERUBEMy Biscuits Are Burning!!!Fri Jun 08 1990 13:2217
    Rep to <<< Note 183.20 by ANNIE::LUND >>>

    Annie,
    
>      They were building a standing stage (permanent) for one
>      of the game shows which is supposed to start filming there in  late
>      June, another opportunity, be on a game show while touring WDW!
      
    According to  a blurb in the Summer '90 issue of Disney News, this will
    be the '90  version of "Let's Make a Deal".  Two days a week production
    will be going on,  while  the remaining five days will be an attraction
    for park guests.  Anything could turn up behind door # 1, #2 or #3 - or
    even behind the tempting new !^-screen video wall.  The show is suposed
    to be on NBC and the fall  issue  of  Disney  News  will  have  a  more
    detailed article on the show.
    
    Claude
183.23"Lets Make A Deal"VICKI::STANLEYWed Jun 13 1990 15:528
    During my stay in Fla. last two weeks heard an ad on the radio with a
    phone # to call for seats In the audience of "Lets make a deal".  My
    boys called immediatly and will be in the audience this Sat.  The
    taping is at 11:00am,  they said that the chances of being selected are
    the same in or out of costume.  I will speak to them Sat. eve and try
    to give you more details.
    
    Terry                                         
183.24Trip May27-June3, VERY long writeup....FDCV06::GRUBBSMon Jun 18 1990 13:45305
	Walt Disney World  May 27-June 3 1990
	Bert and Debbie Grubbs (Honeymoon Trip)
	
	This a play by play as best I can recall from my log of events and
expenses. I tried to track things every night before I went ot bed but some
days were so hectic I'm afraid some of it may be a little out of order from the
way it actually happened!!  It's pretty close though.....

	Sunday, May 27
	--------------

	Arrived Orlando International 4:30pm, picked up Avis rent car
with no problem.  Headed toward CBR, slight traffic delay, road construction
was happening on I4, storms brewing so some were leaving WDW.
Check-in at CBR, we got pool-side, second floor room in St. Martinique.  Primo
spot cause it's right near the CBR entrance, and next to Old Port Royale!  We 
liked the room and all the little Mickey Mouse emblazened soaps and such.  
Unpacked the car and took showers, made reservations for Land Grille Room in 
Epcot for the next day and watched the Disney info channel to see opening time.
Plans had changed and we wanted to stay at CBR the whole week but they wouldn't
let us extend beyond our original June 1 leave date because some massive travel
agent convention had them totally booked for Friday,June 1 and June 2. 
	They claimed they would see what they could do Friday morning but it 
didn't look good.  I made some calls and got a room at the Grosvernor Resort 
in the Village to play it safe.  Off to explore Orlando.  Drove by Universal 
and found out the Hard Rock Cafe there doesn't open till June 10, bummer.....
so went to the Mercado close by and ate steak for dinner.  Early to bed in 
anticipation of Epcot Center!

	Monday, May 28
	--------------

	I ran down to Old Port Royale and brought Rolls and juice for breakfast
back to room while Deb got fixed up.
	Stated opening time: 9:00 am.  We drove car and parked in 3 row from
front, arrived 8:15 upgraded 4 day passes to 5 day Super passes (the deal was 
extended to June 2) for about $75 more dollars.  
Park was already open, so we headed onto Spaceship Earth (10 min wait) I love 
that ride.  Then did Living Seas, The Land, Journey Into Imagination and
Captain Eo (loved Captain Eo and Figment!).
	Getting close to Lunch we went straight to America and had burgers for
lunch at the big cafeteria style place.  Then we started out on China and went
counter clockwise through the countries.  About three we headed to the Poly for
some poolside sun and fun until a thunderstorm blew in.  We cleaned up and 
headed back to Epcot at 6:00pm for dinner reserved the previous night at Land 
Grille Room.  I had stir fry vegetable and Deb had the pasta primavera (both 
good!, lot's of food) and we were reluctant to carve up the little Mickey 
Mouse butter they brought with that great cheese bread......
	After dinner we did Norway and Mexico and sat down for a Margarita at
the San Angel Cantina right on the lagoon.  Realizing it was 45 minutes to
Illuminations we decided to head out and save it for later in the week.  We
were also quite tired so we didn't want to have to fight traffic leaving.  Went
back to CBR about 9:30pm.  Checked opening time for Typhoon Lagoon (10:00am)
and hit the hay after a long day...

	Tuesday, May 29
	---------------

	Drove to Typhoon Lagoon arriving at 9:30 am.  Got a locker for stuff to
change into after swimming.  Stood behind crowd for rope drop at opening time.
Not too crowded, headed around to right side of wave pool.  If you are looking
for good spots head to either side overlooking the wave pool and get a chair 
close to the shade cover structures (comes in handy later on!).  We staked our 
spot and headed for the wave pool for a first dip.  They were making waves but
we didn't realize they weren't up to it's full capability till later on!  
Went and did the shark pool with no wait (BRRRRR cold water, very salty water 
so there's no effort to swim other than moving forward. I was floating like a 
balloon!)  Didn't see shark but saw stingray and stuff.  Chickened out on 
Humonga Cowabunga but did smaller slides to right of it (? Falls) several times
without much wait.  Have been applying VERY liberal amounts of sunscreen during
each interlude, the sun is pretty stout!  Next, walked to the other side of the
wavepool stopping for a coke and beer (1.50 and 2.50 if I remember right) and 
did two more slides with inner tubes, fast but rough when they hit the rocks 
and such on the way down.  Did Hot Dogs for lunch then castaway creek for some
digestion.  If it's crowded on castaway creek, the best place seemed to be by 
the tube rental place to get an unoccupied innertube.  The ones that stay in 
castaway creek are solid brown and blue, while rentals have some yellow patches
in the blue section.  Unless you're dying without your own, tubes are provided
on the rides and on castaway creek.  After one circuit of castaway creek(watch
out for the soaking waterfall) we jumped out for a few minutes of sun.  
Gathered our stuff up about 3:30 pm and headed for shower and change of clothes
.  Drove to Epcot and did the attractions to the left of Spaceship Earth 
starting with Body Wars. BW was our longest wait it turns out on the whole trip
(about 40 minutes) but WORTH it. 
Great ride!  Had a small dinner snack in China of eggrolls and such.  Finished
Epcot that night and headed for Cape Canaveral around 8:00pm.  We had hoped to
see the Space Shuttle launch at 12:38am but it was scrubbed when we arrived.  
It's about a 40 minute drive.  For optimum viewing go just north of the  
intersection of highway 50 and highway 1 in Titusville. As you head north out
of the intersectioon just to the right about 50 yards is a grassy area
overlooking the bay and the launch pad is in the distance. The shuttle is about 
as close as you can get (i'd guess it's about 2-4 miles away) but unobstructed
view across the bay.  One guy said he'd been to several launches and even at
the distance we were, the sky lights up like day and all the ground and cars
shake! Sorry we missed that, it's always been a long standing thing I've wanted
to do is see a space launch in person. We decided to eat some burgers and beer
and watch the thing since we drove out already.  Got back to CBR about 12:15am.

	Wednesday, May 30
	-----------------

	This was blow off day because we knew we had planned the shuttle. 
Slept in till about 11:00am.  Headed toward Disney Village and ate at Fireworks
Factory for lunch (on PI),  Ribs and smoked chicken, cole slaw, cornbread, and
french fries just what a good ole southern boy loves to eat!  The food is good
and very reasonable for Disney ($25 total for two).  Shopped and such all 
afternoon.  Left to tour the resort hotels.  The Grand Floridian is AMAZING!  
Our favorite and candidate for return on anniversery trip.  We headed down to 
Crossroads just past Disney Village (in Lake Buena Vista)for dinner and the 
super grocery store (DEB needed nail polish, sheeezz!).  STAY clear of the TGI
Fridays there it costs as much as the Fireworks Factory (about $25 for two and 
isn't even close in food or atmosphere quality).  Back to CBR for early bed 
(we're honeymooning here too doncha know!!!) for MK Thursday.  OH, Went and 
payed balance at CBR so we could express check out Friday morning (and we would
n't be back till late Thursday night).


	Thursday, May 31
	----------------

	Got rolls and juice from Old Port Royale for drive over to TTC.
	Drove to TTC, rode monorail with no wait to MK.  Stopped off at lockers
to stow stuff for an afternoon Typhoon Lagoon break, pickup entertainment
schedule and headed for the rope at tommorowland plaza for run to Space
Mountain.  We waited about 25 minutes to ride and turns out there would have
been less if we hadn't a been in the morning marathon.  I kinda like it though
because I had been telling Deb all week that I was about 3/4 of a step away
from a dead run I was so excited to be at Disney World!  This was my chance to
let it all out in a dead sprint to get to Space Mountain!  The ride is fun, but
I'm glad I didn't wait an hour or more for it.....then we followed the
"Unofficial Guide" touring plan for hitting the big rides, with great success. 
Never waited more than 10 minutes to ride anything except 20,000 Leagues. 
Diamond Horshoe Jamboree was closed, we noticed them painting it so we had Monte
Cristos at Columbia Harbour House right after we did the Haunted Mansion. 
Great Sandwiches!! 
	We went to Typhoon Lagoon for aftenoon break, it was nice having air
conditioning in the car.  Staked us a good spot(close to the earlier day's) and
went into the wave pool where they were making 8-10 foot waves.  Then we did
castaway creek to relax a little, got out and I drank a beer and watched the
scenery (and there's PLENTY of it!) while Deb slept and got some sun....
About 4:00pm we showered and shopped in the gift shop and bought some shirts
and stuff, then headed back to CBR to cleanup a little more and make
reservations for the next day at Prime Time Cafe for lunch at 11:30, and Mexico
for dinner at 8:15.
	After a shower and nap we headed to MGM, by bus cause we were going to
stay for fireworks.  We got there and rode Star Tours (with zero wait) then
Great Movie Ride, and went to eat.  We had not made reservations so we ate at
the Hollywood and Vine which is a cafeteria style place.  I had roast
chicken and vegetables, Deb had pasta again.  Good food, good quantity and
another good value for Disney prices.  Next we did Great Movie Ride again then
we did Indiana Jones Show.  Got out in time for fireworks.  HINT:HINT:
The fireworks take place right above and behind the Chinese Theater.  Most are
not of significant height so MAKE sure you have an unobstructed view of the
Chinese Theater building otherwise there will be portions you can't see.  You
don't necessarily have to be close, just don't have a tree blocking half the
theater or you'll miss half the show.  After fireworks we did a Dick Tracy
show and left at midnight.  Returned to CBR, packed stuff and loaded car for
early getaway next morn....


	Friday, June 1
	--------------

	Got to MGM about 7:30 am.  Having done the attractions the night before
we ate a leisurely breaskfast at a bakery place close to the backstage section
of the park and headed for the backstage tour.  
Very interesting, plus it was nice to not be pressed for time to get done with
it so we screwed around at the middle stop where it changes from tram to walking
cause we both love Roger Rabbit and they have a little setup there with a bunch
of the big props from the movie like the safe/chalkline of a body, the steam
roller, some other neato stuff.  Ate a snack, noticing the Honey I Shrunk the
Kids and Muppets under construction.  Headed on to walking part of the tour. 
This part was good but a LONG walk.  There were many noticibly irritated people
who hadn't payed attention when they said it was an hour walk, and ride the
tram back if you're not up for it.  After the tour we did Great MOvie ride (I
love the Aliens scene, DEB loves the Wizard of Oz scene) then went to Prime
Time Cafe for 11:30 reservation made the previous day during shower break.  Had
BIG burgers and shakes.  Good, but a little expensive for a burger/shake/fries
meal (about $25), neato atmosphere!
	After lunch we went to the sound show and did some shopping leaving the
studios about 2:00pm.  Went to Grosvernor to check in and get it done, The dang
room wasn't ready even after we waited till 3:30pm.  Deb slept on a couch in
the lobby, and finally I said hell with it, let's not waste our time here(it
had been raining when we left the studios up to about 3:00pm anyway).  Drove to
TTC and went to MK and did carrasell, Mr. Toad, Peter Pan, Wedway, 
	About 7:00 we headed to Epcot for 8:15 reservations at Mexico.  Got a
primo spot at the rail overlooking the river!  Decent margaritas, had the Carne
Asada Tampiquena wich is steak, chicken enchilada, beans and rice.  The meal was
good (we are from Texas so TEX-MEX is right up our alley), steak was excellent
but the tab was about $50 OUCH!  Oh well, it's a vacation.....  After dinner we
headed out to nab a spot for Illuminations.  We looked over people's heads the
whole time, and just like MGM you need a good view of the lagoon to see the
show.  HINT:HINT  Do not stand behind anything that obstructs part of your view
of the lagoon (trees, boat launches, etc.) or you will miss part of the show.  
	Headed back to Grosvernor for room.  OK but what a shock after the CBR
and this cheapest Grosvernor room is even $25 dollars more expensive the BEST
room at CBR!!  We had no control over it we were just lucky to find a room
still in the World!

	Saturday, June2
	---------------

	Slept late cause of the previous day's schedule. Drove to TTC and got
to MK about 12.  Really crowded today, monorail backed up so we rode the ferrry
wich was moving fast cause they load LOTS of people and they had three boats
running back and forth!
For luch we ate at Tony's on Main Street, next to Walt Disney Story.  This is
a table service restaurant with VERY good sandwiches, and VERY reasonable
prices.  I ate a muffalata and Deb had a meatball sandwich, good quality, lots
of food, cost was about $15).  We just walked in, I don't know if they take 
reservations.   Today we did some shopping and finished Tomorrow Land, and 
Mickey's Starland.  We saw the show but couldn't stand to wait in line with all
those "other" impatient kids to see micky himself backstage.  This was our most
crowded day at the parks but things ran well. 
	We started to find our spot for the parade at 2:15. HINT:HINT:  A great
spot is directly across from the Hall of Presidents.  There's a shade tree with
a stone wall within about 3 ft from the rope they string up so if you cop a
spot nobody will try and stand in front of you early if you stare em down.  you
get a great view of the parade as it comes across the bridge into Liberty
Square as well. DON'T try to get a spot in the little cutouts on the bridge
because they will clear it just before the parade comes by and you will have
missed your chance at the spot across fron Hall of Pres.  Also go down by the
bridge to the Sleepy Hollow Refreshments place, they sell Mickey Mouse plastic
Mugs in Blue and Hot Pink with coke for like $3.  We never saw them sold 
anywhere else in the park, plus it's a BIG coke, like 22 ounces or so.  We got 
some great pictures of the parade and headed back to tomorrowland afterward.
	We finished tomorrowland and did the Mickey show in Mickey's starland
but didn't wait in the hmongous line to see Mickey backstage.  We had already
gotten some good shots after lunch with Goffy, Winnie the Pooh, Sherrif of
Nottingham, Chip and Dale on Mainstreet right after lunch.
	We got screwed on the Pirates of the Carribean.  We waited for 30min
and when the boats were in sight all of the sudden everything stopped!  We 
stood around for about 15 minutes and people started leaving, till finally 
they told everyone to backup and go back out cause something was wrong with 
the ride.  We did the Tiki birds and the Treehouse and when we went back it 
was still broke.  Went and did Country Bear Jamboree and headed out about
7:30pm.
	We drove to MGM and did a lot of shopping and ate at the warehouse
place close to Star Tours where they have build you're own burgers.  Deb bought
another coke to get the pastic cup.  NOte that the plastic coke cups have
MIckey MOuse with stars at MGM, Many characters doing different World Showcase
country activities at Epcot, and something different (I forget!) at MK. 
We toured around some more  and went to the Catwalk Bar.  It's overlooking the
backstage restaurant.  Deb ordered a Catwalk Cooler, and let me tell you it 
sure Cooled her!! It was some rum mixture drink that just about peeled my lips
back when I sipped it.  Needless to say we rolled her out of there. It came in
a very distinctive glass shaped like a movie camera wich we bout for $6.
We collect glasses so it goes good with our others.......after hitting the last
few shops on the way out we waved goodbye to MGM, and got a picture of DEB
loaded down with all her stuff, and headed back to the Grosvernor.

	Sunday, June 3
	--------------

	Tha sad day of departure has arrived....bummer.  We loaded up and
headed out to the airport, caught our flight.  We did trains,planes, and
automobiles getting home.  Our American flight delayed 45 minutes while they
worked on something so we missed our connection to Boston in Raleigh Durham. 
They put us on a United commuter flight to Washington/Dulles where the United
connection we were supposed to catch to Boston was delyed for 3 hours!!  We 
left the World at 11:00am and didn't get back home to Acton until 11:00pm. 
I HATE flying into Boston!



	All told, it was a fabulous trip, a wonderful honeymoon!!  We took
roughly 5 rolls of 36 exposure 35millimeter film, so we're planning on building
a trip scrapbook with all the souvenior stuff and pictures we brought back.  We
decided after introspection on the whole trip that MGM was by far our favorite
with MK fantasyland coming in second for me.  We are such movie buffs though
that conclusion is understandable.  We also decided that since this was our
first time in the parks, and we did 95% of all three parks, we would be
better informed and knowledgable on our next trip about what to skip.  This
conference was instrumental in planning a successful trip.  Changing from an
International Drive Hotel to CBR was the biggest tip from here, but there were
many other small things that lurked around in the back of my mind and helped us
have an enjoyable stay in the world.
 
	What's next?  We're planning an anniversary trip to include a stay at 
the Grand Floridian, Universal Studios, and plenty of relaxed touring time to 
take in favorite attractions and new things........We're HOOKED!!


						Bert and Debbie


	For cost information (roughly):

	CBR @ 104 a night  * 5 =  $520
	rent car for week      =  $124 (Avis special, Used corporate # for
				        insurance)
	Grosvernor @125  * 2   =  $150
	food, souvineers(SP?),
			etc.   =  $700
        5 day Super pass * 2   =  $270
	airplane  (434  *2)    =  $868 (this includes a leg through Texas)
			         ------
			total     $2632

	Add in a memory fudge factor, taxes, other miscellaneous things and I'd
round off the trip cost at $2725.  				



183.25Trip Report 26 April - 03 MayAKOV13::CRIMERThu Jun 21 1990 20:24368
Trip Report for the Crimers

26 April through 03 May

Here we are finally. With Disney sandwiched between two business trips, some
other person, also known as, "the boss, wanted their trip reports first.  I 
have all of the credit card receipts figured out and the expense reports filed, 
so its on to the real trip report.


"Executive Summary"

For those who wish to read only the abridged version, first my overall 
impressions.

- This was an excellent trip for a family with children.  The Disney folks 
know exactly how to treat children.  They were well prepared and thoughtful 
at every turn.
- The weather in May is quite good.  It was a bit warmer than normal, so the
natives told me, but not too bad.
- Late April, after Easter school vacations are over and into May, before
Memorial Day are excellent times to go to WDW.  We waited in only one line for
more than 20 minutes (Jungle Cruise, 25 minutes on a Friday afternoon) We 
waited in a couple of lines for about 20 minutes (Space Mountain and 20,000 
Leagues were 20 minutes) but most lines were at most a 10 or 15 minute wait.
There was NO WAIT on a Sunday evening at Haunted Mansion and five minutes wait
at Big Thunder Mountain. Sunday was the least crowded day of the week with 
Saturday being a close second.
- We found the sitdown eating places inside WDW to have much better food than
the fast-food or cafeteria style places.  We particularly enjoyed the Coral
Reef (the kids loved the aquarium) and the Prime Time Cafe (my seven year old
asked why it was decorated so funny!).  While all food is expensive, the 
sitdown restaurants, we thought, had more value for the money.
- The characters were patient and very kind.  They almost all acted like they
had all day to stay with my kids even when there were mobs of kids all around.
- The character breakfast (Minnie's Menehune buffet at the Polynesian) was a 
highlight of the trip.  It was worth every penny that we spent just to get the
pictures.
- The kids did well, though there were many things that frightened our three
year old.  Our seven year old did everything, and the baby just went along. 
- We will go back, but probably not for about four or five years.  We want to 
be past diapers, naps, and ghost frights.
- We liked our accommodation, off-property, but we are starting to save for the
next trip which will be all on-property.  We spent quite a bit of time 
traveling from home to park and back.
- We used Birnbaum and this notes conference for preparation and while at WDW.
Thanks to everyone for their helpful hints and ideas.  It helped save both
time and money.

The Details

(Its long, but everyone says that they want to hear it all!)

Day 1 - 26 April - Thursday
The entourage consisted of four adults, Susan (my wife), my parents, and me,
and our three children, Elizabeth (7), Thomas (3), and Andrew (6 months). We
flew from Boston on US Air ($177 R.T., P.P.) via Charlotte to Orlando on 
Thursday 26 April at 10 AM.  My parents, who live in NJ, flew from Newark
non-stop to Orlando on Delta ($209 R.T. PP). We arrived Orlando about 3:45.  
Car pickup at Avis (full size, $165 wk with Digital discount, no CDW).  

Our lodging was a three bedroom house that my parents rented in 
Kissimmee.  The house was just off 192 about 20 minutes east of MK parking lot. 
It was about a year old in a development of similar homes and it was sited on a
small man-made lake.  About a half a block away was a swimming pool and jacuzzi
for private use by the residents. The house had three bedrooms, two full baths, 
a screened in porch, garage, LR, DR, kitchen.  All appliances, cable TV, linen
and towels included. No daily maid service, but the price did include end of
week maid service. Plenty of shopping and services on 192.

We rented the house because we all wanted to stay together and the price
was right. Since it was off-season my parents struck a bargain rate with
the owner.  My parents also wanted to be able to retreat from Disney and my
wife agreed. So out voted, I went along.

Upon arrival, the kids went into the pool and my parents and I went to the
nearby grocery store to stock the larder.   We basically decided to eat all
but one or two breakfasts at the house, so we bought breakfast food and some
snacks to keep around.  We decided that we would eat most lunches and dinners
out or take out.  The first night we did take out for dinner.

After the kids were in bed we did one more review of the plans, Birnbaum, and
the maps.  We called four operating hours (MK 9 - 8, Epcot 9 - 10, MGM 8 - 12,
River Country, Typhoon, 10 - 5). We felt prepared.

Day 2 - 27 April - Friday

This morning was a comedy of errors.  Everyone was anxious to get going, but we
just could not move fast enough.  After breakfast, about 8:30, my parents took
the two older kids and went off to get tickets and make dinner reservations 
for the Coral Reef. We agreed to meet at the MK gate.  We had to feed the baby
one last time and change his  clothes again.  We finally left the house at
9:20.  By 9:45 we were standing  at the TTC, but no one was there to meet us.  
We were in a panic thinking  that we needed a ticket to get from TTC to MK.  
So after wasting another 20  minutes getting set straight, we went on the ferry
to MK.   When we arrived, my mother was there with the kids. Turns out my
parents were in a panic when we did not show up.  Seeking advice from a cast
member, it was suggested that we were waiting at TTC because we needed a ticket
for transportation.  My father went back to find us. Mom took the kids into MK,
they could not wait another second, and I hopped the monorail back to the TTC. 
I found my father and we returned to MK on the next ferry.  It was now 11:15,
but we were finally inside.  All this, even though we thoroughly read Steve B.

By the way, we bought the five day passes which they were offering, for a
limited time as "Plus" passes, mentioned elsewhere in this notes conference. The
cost was $125 for adults, less the MKC discount.  This turned out to be a good
deal because the we did visit River Country and Pleasure Island during our
week. The extra cost per ticket was more than made up by-passing the extra 
admissions.

To get over our three year old's Mickey anxiety, we first headed up the Main
Street Railroad platform for a trip to Mickey's  Birthday land.  We did the
tour of the house, but the Minnie's Surprise Party was closed, I guess for the
change over to the new attraction.   So onto the theatre and a visit with The
Mouse in his dressing room.  This visit was excellent and help set the tone for
a very positive interaction with the characters throughout the visit.  On the
way out the door our little guy suddenly remembered that his friend told him to
hug Mickey for her.  He ran back in before we could grab him and Mickey broke
off what he was doing with the  next family and gave Thomas a big hug.

We visited the remainder of the Birthday land; the kids had a great time in the
play area and the petting zoo.  Then we grabbed a hot dog and cold drink and
had a brief rest. Because we got such a late start, we decided to stay on 
until dinnertime. 

The afternoon was crowded, but not overwhelming.   The remainder of the
afternoon we spent in Adventureland doing Swiss Family Robinson, Jungle
Cruise, Pirates and a little souvenir browsing.  Then it was back to Main
Street to hunt for some characters and start to head for Epcot for dinner.  The
kids enjoyed all of the rides. I had forgotten all of those corny puns that the
Jungle Cruise captains try to pass off as humor.  The three year old was scared
in the Jungle Cruise cave.

We took the ferry back over to TTC for the switch to Epcot.  First I had to go
back to the car.  Grandma decided to buy the kids those great big mylar balloons.
So we carried those around *ALL DAY*, but I would not carry them into a
restaurant.   So I met the group for our 6 PM reservation at the Coral Reef.

The Coral Reef is a lot of fun.  It is a nice restaurant with pretty good
food, even if the menu is somewhat limited. All the food was nicely prepared,
except for the vegetables which were overcooked.  I knew that I was back in the 
South when they kept the fresh brewed iced tea coming to the table.

We took the two younger children back to the house while my daughter stayed
with Grandma and Grandpa for a tour of the Living Seas and The Land.  She
enjoyed both attractions, but when all was said and done, The Living Seas was 
clearly the highlight of Epcot for her.


Day 3 - 28 April - Saturday

We got up early to avoid the lines.  It was cool and rainy most of the day, 
and MK was never very crowded.   We arrived at TTC at 8:55 and MK, via ferry,
at 9:10 or so.  My daughter and I went to Space Mountain while the remainder of
the group went to Fantasyland.  We agreed to meet again in an hour and a half.  

In a little over an hour, my daughter and I did Space Mountain, Dreamflight, 
Mission to Mars, and the People Mover.  Space Mountain did get crowded after we 
had finished our ride, but going there first saved a lot of time and we had a
terrific ride.  

In the meantime, the rest of the group went on the merry-go-round, Peter Pan,
and 20,000 Leagues.   When we met again, the kids went on Snow White.  My
daughter loved it but it was too scary for our three year old.  To calm him, I
took him to the Mike Fink Keel Boats.  This was fun for him.  He loves boats
and enjoyed the trip.  

At about noon or 1:00, my wife and I took the two younger children and went
back to the house.   They were both zonked and needed a nap.  My daughter
stayed with her grandparents and went on some more rides.    They rejoined us
at the house at about 3:00.  

When my parents came back my wife and I went out on 192 to do some souvenir
shopping and pricing.  All of those places advertising $2 T-shirts carry mostly
shirts that were not much less than those in the Disney stores, less the MKC
discount.   We wanted to compare and we were not impressed.

About 5:00, after naps and rests, we went to a local place for dinner.  We ate
at several local restaurants and chain type places off property.   No matter
what we paid, the food was no better at the local places than it was at the
fast food chains.   

The rest of the evening was at Epcot.   We took the two little boys off to the
Living Seas while my daughter and parents did Spaceship Earth and a tour of
Communicor.   My three year old loved the Living Seas.  He still talks about
the diver demonstration and loves to imitate the diver in the tank.  

After we visited Communicor, we brought the kids back while my parents stayed
on for the light show.   The day ended quietly with three very tired children.

Day 4 - April 29 - Sunday.

Ignoring all the best advice, we decided to approach the day very differently
than we had the first few days.  We let the kids sleep while my parents took
off on their own for Epcot.  When the kids got up, we had a leisurely
breakfast.   My wife and daughter went off to the Nike outlet to replace the
sneakers that had begun to hurt my daughter's feet.  Thomas and Andrew went
back for a nap and Pop read the Sunday paper.

When the shoppers returned, the sun was out, so the kids dressed in their
bathing suits and I took them to the pool.  After a half hour we came back to
the house for lunch.  At 1:00 we went off to the Magic Kingdom.

Our ignoring the "get there when it opens advice" turned out to be a good 
decision on this particular day.  The kids were well rested and the
crowds were very light.  The weather had turned quite warm and the famous
Florida humidity had kicked into high gear.

Between 1:30 and 8:00 we were able to cover 
Wedway People Mover (again)
Skyride
Tom Sawyer Island
Country Bear Jamboree
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad
Pirates of the Caribbean (again)
Haunted Mansion

All of this in addition watching the parade, stopping for dinner and doing 
some shopping.  There were no lines to speak of after 4:00 PM.  As I mentioned 
above, there was no line at the Haunted Mansion.

We had a great time on all of the rides, though my wife did have to take the
three year old out of the Haunted Mansion before they got onto the cars.   Big
Thunder Mountain, IMHO, is quite simply the best ride in the MK.  If the rest
of the family had not been waiting for me, I would have gone again.   The kids
loved Tom Sawyer Island.  It had plenty to do, was relatively safe, and offered
a chance to have a rest in an enjoyable setting.

We had to do the Pirates again because Thomas had acquired a toy six-shooter
and he wanted to shoot a few of those nasty pirates.  Our second trip through
gave him a chance to learn the lyrics to what is now his favorite song, "Yo-ho,
a pirate's life for me."

Dinner was at the Columbia House to sample those Monte Cristos that seems to
bring rapture from the hearts of many Disney Noters.   We enjoyed them.  The
rest of the meal, fries, drinks, and cole slaw were awful.  Next time, we just
get the sandwiches and find something to drink elsewhere.

As 8:00 PM approached we wandered back to Main St. and sat down for some ice
cream at the ice cream parlor.  We just enjoyed the warm weather and the ice
cream as we all sat and watched the sky darken and the little white lights
shine on Main Street.

Day 4 ended with a beautiful, after dark ferry trip at about 9:00 PM on a very
warm and humid Florida night.   

By the way, the folks had a good time doing the first half of the countries at 
Epcot. 

Day 5 - 30 April - Monday

Now for something completely different, River Country.  We found a styrofoam
cooler in the garage at the house, so we got some lunch goods and packed some
sandwiches.  We were off to River Country.   It was a hot sunny day, perfect
for the beach.  My parents were not up for a day at the beach so they went back
to Epcot to finish the countries.

We arrived about 11:00.  First we drove around Ft. Wilderness a bit.  I wanted
to show everyone what they were missing by not staying inside the place.  My
wife agreed that next time, we would be staying here.   

When we got off the bus from the parking area, we saw a pony stable.  The kids
each took a pony ride before we went to River Country.  Once inside, we
selected a spot with chairs and an umbrella next to the wading side of the
pond.   My wife and I took turns watching the baby and taking my daughter on
the slides, rope swings, etc.   

We enjoyed our picnic lunch and our swimming.  The weather was perfect and the
place was not very crowded.  The baby slept most of the afternoon under the
umbrella and both kids got to do everything that they wanted.  We did succumb to
the off-season hazard, however, the early closing.  At 5:00 our day at River
Country had to end.

We were back at the house by 6:30.  Grandma and Grandpa agreed to take the kids
for the evening, so we had a date night.  My wife and I ate at a place on 192
called the Atlantic Seafood Company.  It was kind of expensive.  The main
course was OK, but the side dishes were not too good.   

We spent the remainder of the evening wandering at Disney Village (doing a bit
of souvenir shopping) and Pleasure Island.   You can really spend a lot of
money at Pleasure Island, but there were some places that looked like fun.
We ended the evening sitting on the dock near the rental boats at Disney
Village, just sitting looking at the Empress Lilly.

Day 6 - May 1 - Tuesday.

Another hot, sunny, humid Florida day.  We started this day at the Polynesian
character breakfast.  This was terrific. Everyone loved the food and all of the
attention that we got from the characters.  We have some really precious
pictures of Pluto "licking" the baby.  He looks absolutely enthralled.  

We opted for the Polynesian based on information that we took from this notes
conference.  We thought that our gang would not go for the egg breakfast and
would prefer the buffet.  We were right.  There was a very nice selection of
cold (mostly fresh fruit, yogurt, juices), hot (eggs, potatoes, grits, omlets)
and baked goods (breads, croissants, muffins, donuts, and danish).  Things were
fresh and nicely prepared.  The service was very good.  The price of 9.95  for
adults and 5.95 for children we thought was fair.

There was plenty of chance to visit with Minnie and friends.  They were all
very good sports and stood patiently while we jostled around and posed people.
All in all, an excellent time.

From the Poly, we left Disney and went over to Sea World.  My wife and I went
to WDW and Sea World on our honeymoon in 1978.  Both places have changed a lot,
and not always for the better.  Overall, Sea World is just fine, but let's say 
that there is a lot of Sea World that is disappointing.  

They do have some terrific exhibits, the penguins and the sharks to name two.
The kids always love the ray, dolphin and seal feeding pools.  The sea mammal 
show is good and the whale show is very interesting.  They do, however, have a 
whole lot of other totally irrelevant and obnoxious attractions there.  At the 
top of the list is a very sexist, military themed water ski show.  Pretty silly 
if you ask me.  I won't go any further, this is a Disney notes conference.

Day 7 - May 2 - Wednesday.

This was to be MGM day.  As the week wore on, my wife became less and less
interested in MGM.  She thought that there would be nothing for the kids. My
parents arrived in Orlando completely uninterested in MGM, but were now very
anxious to visit.   So, we compromised, the grandparents took my daughter to
MGM and we took the two little boys to MK.  We agreed to meet at MGM for a late
lunch at the Prime Time.

At the MK, we did mostly Main Street rides and shopping.  We went on the fire
truck, the trolley and the bus.  We bought some ears and other souvenirs and
took a full loop on the railroad.   Then we said goodby, for now, to the Magic
Kingdom.  

MGM is really very nicely laid out, except that unlike MK, there is very little
shade.  Also unlike MK and Epcot, they have umbrella strollers with no
sunshades.  This was unsuitable for our baby.  My parents and daughter did do a
lot there, Great Movie Ride, Backstage tour, Superstar TV, and Sound Effects, 
but my wife and I saw only the Superstar TV. It was fun.     

We had a 3:00 reservation at the Prime Time.  We really enjoyed the food and
the service there.  The price was not too bad either.  The menu looks like its
the typical family foods from the 50s, but its not prepared that way.   My
daughter, who was acting a bit sassy that day, thought that the Formica
dinettes, black and white TV shows, and funny shaped cookie jars were all kind
of silly.  Little did she know.

We took the two kids back to the house and my folks stayed on at MGM to see
some more attractions.  We cooled off in the pool, ate a supper of leftovers,
and had a birthday party for Mom.

Day 8 - Thursday - May 3.

Our last day.  We had a 2 PM plane back to Boston, so we got up early, returned
the rental crib, ate breakfast and cleared our stuff out of the house.   By
9:15, or so, we were off to Disney Village for souvenir shopping.   We saved
most of our shopping until the end and we liberally used our MKC discount.  As
someone said someplace in this conference, almost everything that you can buy
at MK, you can buy at Disney Village.  

It was a leisurely morning, with the adults taking turns watching the kids play
in the sandbox, and shopping for souvenirs.  There was plenty of time for a
sampling of coffee and pastries from the gourmet shop. But sooner than anyone
wanted, it was time to go. So, loaded down with Disney cups, bowls, T-shirts, 
earrings, books, pens, pencils, ears, and who knows what else, we packed off 
to the Orlando Airport.

Our flights were both on time (Orlando to Charlotte, Charlotte to Boston). The
pilot on the Orlando to Charlotte leg invited the kids onto the flight deck
when we boarded.  They were thrilled.  A nice cap to a nice trip.

We were home with three sleeping children before 10 PM.
    
183.26WARNING: long trip report in next noteCLOSET::AAARGH::LOWELLGrim Grinning Ghosts...Mon Jul 09 1990 20:344
    The next note (I hope) will contain my trip report.  This note
    is to warn you all - especially DECwindows notes users that it
    is 800 lines long.  Hope you enjoy reading it!
    Ruth
183.27Trip report from the LowellsCLOSET::AAARGH::LOWELLGrim Grinning Ghosts...Mon Jul 09 1990 20:34800
    Trip Report May 18, 1990 - May 27, 1990

    Pre-trip:
        We made reservations for the Caribbean Beach Resort for
	six nights (May 20 - May 25).  Our original plans were to
	start driving early on Saturday (May 19), drive until
	11:00 PM or so, stay at some random hotel, start driving
	again early Sunday and arrive at the CBR whenever.

    	However, we soon realized we could gain a Disney day (and
	reap the benefits of our annual passports) by leaving in
	the afternoon on Friday.  Our new plans were to start
	driving at 3:00 PM, drive until 11:00 PM or so (which would
	get us to the Maryland area), stay at some random hotel,
	start driving around 8:00 AM on Saturday, drive until
	11:00 PM or so (which would get us to Florida), stay at
	some random hotel, start driving around 8:00 AM on Sunday
	and arrive at the CBR some time after noon.

        For our return trip we planned to leave WDW around 9:00 AM
	on Saturday (May 26), drive until 11:00 PM or so (which
	would get us into Virginia), stay at some random hotel,
	start driving around 9:00 AM on Sunday and arrive home
	whenever.

    	We spent Thursday night packing the suitcases, using the
	lists I had made up before hand.  One of my jobs was to
	make sure the last few essentials (blow dryer, etc.) got
	packed in the morning.

    Friday, May 18
        We both worked until 1:00 PM or so and headed home to pack
	the car.  Randy got home on time so was able to make our
	supper (peanut butter and jelly sandwiches) and pack the
	cooler.  When I got home, he started packing the car.
	Meanwhile, I set out the guinea pig's stuff for the neighbors,
	watered the plants, made sure the last few essentials were
	packed and made the famous last minute appliance check.

	We managed to get out of the driveway around 3:30 PM.  At
	7:00 PM we stopped for supper in New York.  Somewhere along
	the way Randy realized he hadn't packed some of the snack
	foods.  He's still alive.  (Last October he forgot to pack
	some of the juice boxes.  Looks like I'll be maintaining a
	food list next trip.)

    	We finished eating around 7:30 and didn't stop again until
	we had to get gas (somewhere in New Jersey).  From there we
	drove straight to Maryland where we eventually (around 11:30)
	found a hotel with a name we recognized (Comfort Inn) in
	Perryville.  The hotel was nice - I think it was new as there
	was construction work going on in the area and the room was
	in excellent condition.

    	The weather was perfect for driving.  It was cool and partly
	to mostly cloudy for most of the trip.

    Saturday, May 19
        We started driving around 8:30 AM.  We didn't stop until we
	got to North Carolina (about 12:45) where we had the pleasure
	of eating day old peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for lunch
	(gross but Randy loves them).  We started off again around
	1:30, stopping for gas around 2:00.  We made a short bathroom
	stop as soon as we got to South Carolina (around 4:00), stopped
	to eat from about 5:00 until 5:45, made another bathroom stop
	as soon as we got to Georgia (around 7:45) and stopped for gas
	around 8:15.  We got to Florida at about 10:00 PM and stopped
	for the night in Jacksonville (around 10:30).  We stayed at
	the Holiday Inn near the airport.  The place seemed nice when
	I checked in - it had a nice lobby.  However, the room was
	below average.  The room was crowded, the bathroom was grungy
	and the heater/air conditioner was in bad shape.

        The weather was rough for driving.  The sun was shining, it
	was hot (in the 90's), it was getting humid and we had no
	air conditioning.  It was raining around Jacksonville and
	poured while we were checking in and unpacking the night's
	necessities.

    Sunday, May 20
    	When we woke up I started getting Nicole all excited about
	WDW.  Hurrah, we'll be there soon!  I brought her in the
	shower with me to speed up the process.  This is when I
	discovered that the bathroom wasn't only grungy, it was also
	unsafe.  The shower had separate controls for the hot and
	cold water, instead of a single handle, which were installed
	funny.  I was really careful to shut the hot and cold water
	off together but wasn't careful enough.  I managed to scald
	both of us.  Nicole didn't want to go near water for the
	rest of the trip - no shower, no bath, no swimming!

    	We started driving around 8:45 AM and got to the CBR around
	11:30 AM!  We stopped at the Custom House to pre-check in
	prior to heading to MGM.  Much to our surprise, rooms were
	ready.  We ended up getting a courtyard view on the first
	floor of one of the buildings in Barbados.  Since we had
	a room, we decided to scope it out so we drove over to
	Barbados and unpacked the car.  My first impressions of the
	CBR were, "It's so pretty" and "Gee, the room looks exactly
	like the ones in the brochures."  Honestly, I've never had
	that happen at WDW.  They're always a different layout or
	not as pretty/colorful!  We were pretty hungry by the time
	we finished unpacking so we decided to eat at Old Port Royale
	and explore around the lake.

        While walking to Old Port Royale, I repeatedly said, "This
	is really pretty" while taking pictures.  I took pictures of
	everything along the way since it was such a nice, sunny, warm
	day and I had to use up that roll of ISO 100 film so I could
	switch to a faster speed for inside rides!  The place really
	is colorful.  I'm not sure which food place we got our lunch
	from but we all had the chicken strip dinners which we ate
	outside.  The dinners were quite good, more tender and juicy
	than the chicken tenders/nuggets I've gotten at fast food
	places around here, of course the atmosphere was a big plus.

    	After the feeding frenzy, we continued our walk around the
	lake.  First we checked out the main swimming pool - looked
	neat and especially fun for children.  We were going to walk
	completely around the lake but decided to take a short cut
	through the play area.  There are a couple of playground
	type areas there but the sun was shining directly on them
	when we walked by - I bet they were hot.  We stopped to
	see a couple of the caged birds here but Nicole was afraid
	of them so we didn't stay too long.  We eventually made it
	back to the room.

        Nicole kept asking, "Going to Diddy World?" to which I'd
	respond, "This is Disney World." and to which she'd respond,
	"Ooohhhh."  She just couldn't get it.  When I asked her if
	she wanted to go to MGM, the Magic Kingdom or Epcot Center,
	she stared at me like I was from another planet, so I put
	it in her terms.  "Do you want to go see the Dancing Dollies,
	Figment or Hurray for Hollywood?"  She opted for Hollywood,
	so it was off to MGM.

    	We drove to MGM and were surprised at how little time it
	takes to get there from the CBR.  The parking lot wasn't
	too bad and we were able to get a space fairly close to the
	gate so we walked in rather than taking the tram.

    	Going to MGM at this time was probably a bad idea.  There
	were long waits for most attractions.  Since we had been
	here before, we planned on skipping a lot of attractions so
	were able to avoid a lot of lines.  One thing I noticed was
	a bulletin board which lists all the attractions, the wait
	times and suggests better times to go on the attractions.

    	First we went on Star Tours.  The wait was about 15 minutes
	and well worth it.  They allow you to do a "baby switch" so
	if you have children under 3, you only have to wait in line
	once.  You wouldn't believe the looks and comments we got
	because we had Nicole with us in line.  The comments were
	like, "How old are you?" and directed at Nicole and the looks
	implied, "I bet that brat will scream through the whole ride."
	Of course the real message was more like, "You incompetent
	scumbag excuse for a parent.  I'd like to report you to the
	authorities."  I imagine they were all surprised/relieved
	when I confidently informed the cast member that we were
	doing a baby switch.

	Star Tours itself is fantastic although we both felt a little
	let down as we had expected something more spectacular than
	Body Wars.  I feel the visual part of Star Tours is better but
	the motion part isn't.  I recommend riding Star Tours first as
	it is a much smoother ride.  If you feel bad after doing this,
	don't go on Body Wars.  I think Body Wars is more turbulent
	because you move with each heart beat.  The pre-show area
	is really awesome but Nicole was scared by it.

        Next we did the tram portion of the backstage tour.  There
	was no line so we only had to wait for the next tram to come
	along.  We were near the back of the tram so the audio didn't
	match up with what we were seeing but it wasn't too bad.
	Apparently the driver, Benny, was new so he screwed up and
	took us to Catastrophe Canyon instead of to the New York
	street but we didn't mind as we mainly cared about doing the
	canyon part.  This was great but it scared Nicole a lot.  She
	looked shocked when the tram began to rock, began to cry as
	the explosions/flames happened and screamed when the water
	came down on us.  (It was great!)

        Next stop was The Great Movie Ride.  We waited about 1/2 hour
	which isn't too bad.  Nicole was absolutely petrified of this
	ride.  I was video taping so Randy got to hold her quivering
	little body.  I think the ride is great, especially the film
	clips they show at the end.

        In order to get some rest we stopped to watch the show.  I
	was hoping it hadn't changed since October (we didn't watch
	it then) so I could get a picture of Minnie wearing fruit
	on her head for my brother.  The show hadn't changed but I
	didn't get any good pictures either.  We got the last shaded
	spots which meant sitting behind a tree and two extra-large
	sun hats.  IF YOU'RE WEARING A HAT AT WDW, TAKE IF OFF WHILE
	ON ATTRACTIONS AND DURING SHOWS DAMMIT!  As for what I could
	see of the show, it was ok but a little less polished than
	others I've seen at WDW.  Kermit and Miss Piggy came out at
	the end and joined the show which thrilled Nicole and all
	the other kids.

        The Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Theatre was next (mainly because
	the show was just starting).  We had to stand in the back
	but it was worth it because we got to see a lot of the effects
	more clearly.  One thing for sure, the explosions sound much
	louder in the back than down in the seats.  Randy and I thought
	that was wonderful but not Nicole.  By this time I realized
	Nicole was not going to like anything that involved fire and/or
	loud noises.  Another neat thing about standing in the back
	is having bullets go whizzing by your head and hearing them
	strike the metal girders.  Of course it's all fake but a nice
	touch.  There were some technical problems with the show (e.g.
	one of the axes didn't fall in the first scene) and some parts
	of the airplane scene had been changed.  I'm not sure if they
	were having technical difficulties or had permanently changed
	the show but there was no ring of fire around the plane and
	the scene where the guy gets shredded by the propeller didn't
	happen.  One thing I noticed is there is now a canopy over
	the waiting area.  It looked like a net with vines on it and
	seemed to do an ample job of shading the people waiting in line.

        When we came out of the show we decided to make reservations
	for dinner at the Prime Time Cafe.  It was about 8:00 and we
	were able to get a table around 9:00.  This is how we
	discovered the main short fall of MGM.  The only way to kill
	time is to shop or take pictures!  In the Magic Kingdom you
	can go play in Mickey's Starland, go to the Penny Arcade, etc..
	In Epcot there are exhibits in a lot of the countries, the
	playground in the Imagination pavilion, the Transcenter at
	the World of Motion, etc..  We ended up walking around so I
	could take pictures and video tape the park.  MGM is very
	pretty at night - especially with all the neon lights.

        We finally got to eat at the Prime Time Cafe.  They were very
	busy so service was a little slower than it had been in
	October but it was still great.  Randy got the meatloaf and a
	Vanilla shake, I got the T-bone steak and a chocolate shake
	and Nicole got the mac & cheese and a chocolate milk.  The
	food was quite good but Randy and I agree our lunch time
	meal last October was better.

        After the meal we wandered around and video taped some more
	but I got a stomachache so we headed back to the hotel.

    Monday, May 21
    	The first item on our schedule was breakfast with Minnie at
	the Polynesian hotel.  We had an 8:45 reservation but missed
	it because we took a wrong turn on the way.  Fortunately, we
	didn't have to wait too long to get a table (10 minutes max).
	We were seated next to the hot food buffet table which was
	great for getting food but bad for seeing the characters.
	Our table was the last one they had to visit on their trip
	around the room so they were anxious to head off.  Nicole
	didn't seem to notice, but Randy and I did.  Goofy never even
	stopped at our table!  Next time I'll know enough to request
	a better table.

    	After breakfast I decided to pick up our tickets for Mickey's
	Tropical Revue and the Polynesian Revue.  In typical Disney
	style, the woman looked at my reservations and immediately
	questioned me about attending both shows.  When I made the
	reservations, I was assured that the menus were different at
	the two shows.  The woman at the Polynesian disagreed and
	proved it by showing me the menus - there is only a minor
	difference in them.  I ended up getting tickets only for the
	Polynesian Revue.

    	From the Polynesian, we took the monorail to the Magic
	Kingdom.  They were running both the new and old styles of
	monorails.  I can't see how the new cars have a larger capacity.
	There is a lot of standing room but not enough poles to hold
	on to.  The air conditioning on the new cars was superb which
	helped during the LOOONNNG waits between stops.

    	We finally got to the Magic Kingdom.  While we were putting
	sun tan lotion on Nicole a cast member came over and gave her
	a free Mickey Mouse pin (left over from Christmas 1989).  I
	thought it was a nice touch.

        Our first stop was It's A Small World for Nicole.  She loved
	it so we decided to head over to her second favorite ride -
	the WEDway People Mover.  Much to our surprise, it was down
	for repairs.  The cast member said it wouldn't be ready until
	Sunday.  Oh well, so much for checking out the line for Space
	Mountain.

	Since we were in Tomorrowland, we went on Delta Dreamflight.
	Although this ride isn't spectacular, I like every part of it.
	It's a good time killer and doesn't have any parts that scare
	Nicole.  After this, Randy went on Space Mountain.  Nicole
	and I waited and waited and waited outside for him.  Eventually
	he showed up - boy, I wish the WEDway had been working.

    	On the nice side, they are repainting everything in Tomorrowland.
	The color scheme for the WEDway "tracks" is now white with light
	blue, peach and red-orange highlights instead of mostly white with
	yellow.  The benches now have dark purple bases and light blue
	seats - much more attractive than the old tan color.  I really
	liked the look of the new paint job.

    	By now we were getting hungry so we headed over to the Mile Long
	Bar.  The lines for food were long and seats were scarce (had to
	repeatedly tell people "these seats are taken") but the food
	was pretty good.  Randy had the burritos which to his surprise
	were spicy and I had the taco salad which I shared with Nicole.
	The animal heads sprang into action while we were eating, scaring
	the sh!t out of Nicole.  I thought they were cute but a little loud.

    	After lunch we poked around in a few shops.  Nicole was getting
	tired so we headed back to the hotel to rest.  She was pretty
	wound up and was unable to get to sleep so we went swimming.
	She was terrified of the swimming pool at Barbados because some
	kids were splashing so we went over to the lake.  She and Randy
	played in the sand until it was time to eat.  We opted to have
	dinner at Old Port Royale.  Nicole got the kid's hotdog and
	chocolate milk - she loved it, Randy got a turkey sandwich and
	milk - it was ok and I got the shrimp at the Oriental place and
	a diet soda - the shrimp was ok but too expensive.

    	After dinner, we did some shopping in Old Port Royale and headed
	back to the room to watch the final episode of Newhart - it was
	worth sacrificing some Disney time.  When Newhart was over we
	went over to the bar by the main pool, had some drinks and
	watched the Illuminations fireworks.

    Tuesday, May 22
    	This day turned out to be a bummer.  Nicole got sick.  I
	spent the morning holding her head over the wastebasket while
	Randy did the laundry.  Breakfast consisted of donuts from
	Old Port Royale while she was sleeping.  The doctor showed up
	around noon.  It cost us $88 to verify she had a virus and
	for some suppositories to stop the nausea and vomiting.  For
	lunch, Randy and I had the chicken sandwich baskets from Old
	Port Royale (in the room of course) - they were dry.  In the
	afternoon I went to the pool to catch some sun.  It was cloudy
	but didn't rain.

    	Nicole was feeling better when I returned from the pool so
	we walked to Old Port Royale to get some snacks that she
	could tolerate (saltines) and a couple of drinks at the bar.

    	Since Nicole was feeling better we decided to go to Epcot to
	do some video taping.  First stop was Journey Into Imagination.
	We taped the ride and then got some nice footage of Nicole at
	the fountains.  Dreamfinder and Figment were outside so we
	got to tape them too.  Next we headed to The Land to tape The
	Kitchen Kabaret and eat.  Nicole had the chicken noodle soup -
	pretty good, Randy got some fettucini with marinara sauce - he
	liked it, and I got some herbed bread and mac & cheese - loved
	the bread, hated the mac.

    	Next stop was horizons to tape the movie section, particularly
	the DNA part.  You don't get to see all of each section of
	Horizons in one ride, needless to say, we didn't get to see the
	DNA part.  I really don't care for this ride at all but I had
	to go on it again to tape that part.  I had better luck the
	second time, taped the DNA part and then did my back stretching
	exercises for the rest of the ride.  (It was worth it, the tape
	came out pretty good.)  While I was on the ride, Nicole pretended
	to stick suppositories up her doll's bum.  People must have
	thought we're pretty perverted.  After taping the interior of
	Wonders of Life (no attractions) we headed to Mexico to tape
	the ride and do some shopping.

        It was getting late so we staked out a spot for watching/taping
	Illuminations.  I got Nicole one of those overpriced necklaces
	and some snacks from the outdoor Mexican food place to kill some
	time.  Nicole was tired and fussy but managed to doze off before
	the show started.  She woke up when the first fireworks went off
	and was scared to pieces.  We were between Mexico and China and
	had a good view of the show.  The only problem was we were
	downwind of the fireworks so the view was smoky.  Next time
	we'll watch out for that and also try to get a head on view of
	the fountains so we can make out what is projected onto them.

    	Getting out of the park was tough so we waited for the crowds
	to diminish a bit before heading to the main entrance.  It
	was also tough getting out of the parking lot (probably less
	than a 10 minute wait) but took less time than waiting for a
	bus or the monorail.  Once we got to the road it was smooth
	sailing to the CBR.

    Wednesday, May 23
        Typhoon Lagoon day.  First we got some donuts at Old Port
	Royale and then we headed for the park.  Our first mistake
	was not buying our tickets ahead of time.  We got there at
	opening (10:00) and had to stand in line forever.  We
	finally got our tickets and headed in to find a seat.  We
	managed to find chairs near the wave pool.  I then headed
	off to get some towels.  I didn't realize we had to rent
	them - $1 each, a total waste of money.  I found three
	lounge chairs at the head of the wave pool on my way back
	to Randy so I used the towels to claim them.  These ended
	up being good seats because they were close to most of the
	slides and a bathroom.  It turns out the seats near the
	lagoon portion of the wave pool are convenient only to the
	wave pool.

    	I tried two of the storm slides - the one on the right and
	the one on the left - they were mild.  Humunga Kowabunga
	wasn't pleasant - I don't like heights.  I foolishly kept
	my mouth open at the bottom so swallowed/inhaled a ton of
	water.  I needed a crowbar to get my swimsuit out of my
	butt.  Randy missed the whole thing so I told him I would
	do it again only if he felt he needed to see me do it or
	wanted to videotape it.  He said no (thankfully).  I also
	tried Mayday Falls (a tube ride) which was very rough.  I
	kept smacking my butt on the chute each time there was a
	drop.  I was very worried that I would injure my tail bone.
	I really loved the wave pool.  The waves were good - all I
	could do was plug my nose, go with the flow and stand up
	when it had all passed.  I was surprised that they didn't
	allow rafts in the pool when they were generating the regular
	waves.  They only allowed rafts in when they were generating
	the side to side waves.  At that time they only allowed
	people with floats at the head of the wave pool.

    	Randy and Nicole can't swim so there wasn't much for them
	to do.  Randy was going to try Humunga Kowabunga but was
	afraid he would lose his glasses.  He did like standing
	in the wave pool - he went in knee deep and the waves went
	up to his waist - but Nicole was petrified so he left the
	pool.  Nicole was so afraid of water she wouldn't do
	anything at Ketchakiddie Creek.  It did look fun though.

    	Lunch consisted of ice-creams.  We wanted to spend the evening
	at the Magic Kingdom so planned to leave early.  Around 2:00 we
	got our stuff out of the locker, videotaped and took pictures,
	shopped and left the park around 3:00.

    	We got to the Magic Kingdom around 4:30 and headed straight
	for the Pirates of the Caribbean.  The line was too long (or
	so it appeared) - I refuse to wait more than 10 minutes and
	this line looked like a 45 minute wait at least.  Next stop
	was Thunder Mountain.  As we approached it something didn't
	look right - there was no line outside.  Hey wait a minute -
	I can't see anyone inside either.  Then I noticed the cast
	members sending people away - it wasn't working.  I didn't
	bother to find out why.

    	Bummed out, we headed for the Haunted Mansion where we
	waited in line for about 20 minutes.  The ride stopped for
	quite a while when we were at the scene where the person(?)
	is trying to escape from the casket.  We were there so long
	I decided to break the rules and take a flash picture.  I
	don't think I annoyed too many people but I wouldn't recommend
	doing this.  The picture came out TOO good because of the
	increased light level - it really spoiled the effect.  Nicole
	did not like the "ghost house" so we took her to the "dancing
	dollies" which she loves.

    	By this time the lines in Fantasyland were getting shorter
	so we went on Peter Pan (10 minutes) and Mr. Toad's Wild
	Ride (10 minutes).  We decided to check out Mickey's
	Starland.  When I called the information number they said
	the show would be up this week - it wasn't.  Even worse,
	the lines to see Mickey were LONG - I bet there was at least
	an hour wait.  We opted not to see Mickey.  Oh, a nice touch -
	Mickey's car was gone from his driveway as though he was
	out somewhere.

    	From Mickey's Starland we rode the train to Frontierland to
	check out the Pirates again.  The line still looked long but
	I got a glimpse of the sign which said it was a 15 minute
	wait.  It turns out they were loading from the left line so
	the line was very short (10 minutes).  I'm used to being
	loaded from the right line which is longer.

    	Thunder Mountain was still down so we decided to see the
	Country Bears Vacation Hoedown.  The show is cute but Nicole
	wasn't thrilled with the animal heads on the wall (recall
	her Mile Long Bar experience).

    	It was getting close to park closing so we headed out - but
	we just had to go on It's A Small World one more time before
	leaving.

    	Our plan was to take the monorail to the Contemporary Resort
	and have dinner in the Character Cafe.  Well, we screwed up
	and got in the Polynesian Resort section.  To make up for it,
	we decided it would be a good idea to pick up our car at the
	Polynesian and drive over to the Contemporary.  To give you
	a good idea of the length of the monorail delays - it was
	faster for us to get off at the TTC and walk over to the
	Polynesian than to take the monorail all the way to the
	Polynesian.

    	We thoroughly enjoyed our meal at the Character Cafe.  We
	got there about 9:00.  We were greeted by the White Rabbit
	who was very sweet to Nicole.  There weren't many people
	there so the characters spent a lot of time at each table.
	The food was buffet style with something for everyone -
	salads, desserts, prime rib, roast turkey, pizza, a taco
	bar, etc..  The food was very good - I think it's the first
	time I've gotten seconds at a buffet.  I highly recommend
	having dinner there.  I noticed the tables aren't as close
	together as they are at the Polynesian so the character
	breakfast may be more relaxed.

    	After eating we shopped and watched King Neptune's Electrical
	Water Pageant before heading back to the CBR.  We managed to
	see some of the MGM fireworks on the way back.

    Thursday, May 24
	We started the day off by stopping at the Car Care Center to
	get some gas.  By the time we got to the TTC, the wait for
	the monorail was 45 minutes so they were telling people to
	use the ferry which had no wait.

	Our first stop was, you guessed it, It's A Small World!  It's
	a good thing I have a high tolerance for that ride.  I had
	taped it earlier in the week but the battery ran down part
	way through so I wanted to tape it again today.  The next
	item on the agenda was lunch.  We were in the mood for hot dogs
	so we headed off to Pecos Bill's Cafe in Frontierland.  I
	inhaled my dog and fries and then headed for Thunder Mountain.
	The wait was about 10 minutes.  Nicole and Randy were just
	finishing their lunches when I got back so it was off to the
	Swiss Family Treehouse (I hadn't seen it in a couple of years).
	It was a nice walk and Nicole thought it was neat - I guess
	stairs are thrilling to two year olds.  We needed a rest at
	this point so we headed to the Aloha Isle for some Dole Whip.
	Ahhhh, refreshing.

	Randy hadn't been on Cinderella's Carousel so we decided to
	go on that.  Nicole really loved it.  She wanted to go on again
	but there was no way I was going to stand in the line again
	(15 minutes or so) so I asked her where she would rather go
	instead.  I bet you can't guess what her choice was...  the
	Dancing Dollies.  Randy gave me one of those, "If I go on that
	ride again I'll kill myself" looks so I suggested he go get
	a soda and wait for us.  I really don't mind the ride.  Nicole
	likes to imitate the dolls and assumes we do too so I was kind
	of forced into it.  At one point she climbed off the seat,
	grabbed my leg and made me do the can-can!  What a riot.

	The lines were long in Fantasyland (so what else is new?) so
	we headed over to Tomorrowland to go on Dreamflight (I like
	the music) and kill some time before the parade.

	After Dreamflight we headed over to Main St. to search for
	a good viewing spot.  We followed the parade route into
	Liberty Square and found an excellent spot across from the
	Hall of Presidents.  There is a stone wall you can sit on
	which just happened to be in the shade of the Liberty Tree.
	Eating Mickey Mouse ice-creams was a good time killer (got
	some good pictures of Nicole's messy face).  A few people
	tried to stand in front of us but were cooperative when we
	asked them to move.  As more people tried this, we reserved
	an unobstructed view by placing Nicole and her stroller at
	the rope, leaving room for small children who wanted to see
	the parade (we always let children stand in front of us).

	The parade turned out to be the same as it was in October
	but we still video taped the whole thing - better camera,
	better vantage point.  While Randy taped I took pictures.

	After the parade we poked around the shops in Liberty Square.
	I bought a couple of paperback books and Randy found a coffee
	mug with a picture of Richard Nixon on it.  I've been teaching
	Nicole to make a "peace sign" (we call it "doing two") with
	both hands and say, "I am not a crook."

	Next we took the train from Frontierland to Main St. to get
	a locker to put the video camera in so we would have room for
	souvenirs in the back pack.  I stopped in the Disneyana store
	in the Walt Disney Story building.  They had some neat stuff
	there but I didn't buy anything.  We also stopped at the
	Space Port and Mickey's Mart in Tomorrowland.

	By this time we were hungry.  I just had to try one of the
	famed Monte Cristos so dinner was at Columbia Harbour House.
	I thought it was good but it wasn't what I expected.  I was
	appalled at seeing a deep fried sandwich with powdered sugar
	on it - with honey to dip it in at that!  The Monte Cristos
	I've had were dipped in egg and fried, sort of like French
	toast.  Well, one bite and I was hooked.  Randy had a tuna
	sandwich which was good.  Nicole got the children's chicken
	meal - chicken strips and fries.  I don't know if she liked
	it.  She kind of played around with it, dropped some on the
	floor and proceeded to crap her pants.  Oh, well, off to the
	Princess restroom.

	After dinner Nick and Randy went on Dumbo - I sat and waited
	by 20,000 leagues and then took pictures.  Nicole loved the
	ride but it's too much of a wait to try too often.

	I hadn't seen America's Journeys in a few years and wanted
	to see it before the Tomorrowland remodeling starts so we
	headed over to see it.  Nicole decided she had to go with me.
	I figured this would be a disaster but she behaved.  It's
	loud enough to mask out most talking anyway.  About 2 minutes
	into it she said, "Look Mommy, it's a circle."  I responded
	with the appropriate amount of parental enthusiasm stating that
	it was indeed a circle - wow.

	It was getting close to park closing so we opted to head over
	to Epcot.  The line for the monorail was too long so we took
	the ferry - heading as far forward as possible so we could exit
	more quickly.  There were some kids wriggling their way in front
	of everyone who ended up standing right in front of Nicole.  As
	we were crossing the lagoon I looked down to check on her.  SHE
	HAD HER HAND UP THE BACK OF ONE OF THE KID'S SHORTS!!!!  I bet
	he was thrilled.  I have a feeling her teen years are going to
	be rough.

	First stop at Epcot was Spaceship Earth which Nicole slept
	through.  For the rest of the night she kept asking when we
	were going to go on the big ball and wouldn't believe me when
	I told her we already did.

	Nicole had seen the picture of Michael Jackson in Birnbaum's
	book and said she wanted to see him.  I told her it was a
	scary movie but she wanted to go on anyway.  She was frightened
	mainly by the loud sounds but the claws on the queen (or whoever
	she is) really upset her.  To make her feel better we went on
	the Journey Into Imagination ride.  We then tried Wonders of
	Life but the lines were too long so we left.  Since we were in
	the area we went on the World of Motion ride and stopped in
	the Transcenter to grab a couple of the pamphlets with the free
	video offer in it.

	We were getting tired and didn't want to deal with the crowds
	after Illuminations so we shopped at Centorium and left.

	When we got back to the CBR we stopped at Old Port Royale to
	get a snack and watched the MGM fireworks from the bar.  We
	had a perfect view and the fireworks were just as nice as
	the ones they set off over Cinderella's Castle.  We could here
	the Pleasure Island fireworks going off at the same time but
	couldn't see them as Old Port Royale blocked our view.

    Friday, May 25
	We started the day with breakfast at Old Port Royale.  We got
	donuts at the bar inside and took them outside where we sat
	overlooking the marina.  It was a nice breakfast.

	When we were done we headed for Epcot.  First stop was at
	Wonders of Life.  The line for Body Wars wasn't too bad so we
	headed in.  I think we waited 20 minutes or so.  Everything
	went well until Nicole lost one of the buttons from her dress.
	We couldn't console her - her dress was broken.  A woman in
	line had a safety pin which calmed her down a bit (Randy
	probably threatened to poke her with it or something).  We
	did a baby switch - much to the relief of the people in line.
	I went on first so I had the pleasure of watching several
	nauseous people get off the ride.  Fortunately, no one got sick.
	They have benches by the exit for dizzy/nauseous people to sit
	on and the cast members are quick to offer water to anyone who
	isn't feeling well.  Most people recovered very quickly.

	Next we tried to go on Cranium Command.  Unfortunately, the
	pre-show area was full and a new line was forming.  There was
	no way we were going to wait that long so we left.  The cast
	member waiting at the Body Wars exit told me Centorium might
	have safety pins - Nicole's other button was loose - so it was
	off to Centorium.  They did have pins which they gave to me -
	a pleasant surprise since I had expected to have to buy some.

	We headed over to the Norway pavilion to ride Maelstrom.  The
	line was long (20 minutes or more) but we went on anyway.  Nick
	was frightened by the scenes - bears, trolls and absolutely
	petrified by the drops (as were the elderly women seated next
	to us).  She was also bothered by the short film they show
	afterward.  After the ride, we went in the shops in search of
	Wishniks.  They were just too expensive.  Six dollars for a
	three inch tall troll is too much.  The big ones were $20!
	We decided that if we were going to spend that much money we
	should buy one of the realistic looking trolls.  We scoped
	them out and decided to leave our decision to later.

	We were getting hungry so we decided to eat at the outside
	Mexican restaurant.  Randy got the burritos, I got the
	combination plate and Nicole got the children's meal.  The
	food was good but Nicole would not touch her watermelon
	drink.  I tasted it and it seemed to be pureed watermelon.
	While were eating, the marimba band came out to entertain
	us.  We thought it was kind of neat.

	After lunch we rode the doubledecker bus over to Japan.  The
	bus ride was worth it.  It saved a lot of walking and we were
	able to see some of the backstage areas between Mexico and
	Italy.  We went into the department store in Japan to buy a
	bonsai tree.  I made the mistake of having it sent to the front
	gate.  It takes two hours to get there and we weren't planning
	on staying that long.  I wanted to go to the American Adventure
	but we decided to get going so headed back to Norway to buy a
	troll.  We settled on a two-headed troll which is now sitting
	on our mantle.

	On our way out, Randy stopped at the Sun bank to get some cash
	for the trip home.  Reality began to set in.

	I needed to pick up a souvenir that I had only seen at the
	Tinkerbell Toy Shop so we headed over to the Magic Kingdom.
	We parked at the Polynesian Resort since we were going to the
	luau later.

	At the Magic Kingdom we stopped to watch the end of the
	Disneymania show in front of the castle.  It was the same show
	we had seen in October but the costumes had been modified.
	Since we were in the Magic Kingdom - Fantasyland at that - we
	just had to go on It's a Small World one more time before
	going to the toy shop.

	I wanted to get to the luau early so we left the MK for the
	last time (reality really sets in).  We were really early so I
	headed for the restrooms to change Nicole and went shopping to
	pick up those last few souvenirs we needed to get.  After putting
	them in the car we headed down to luau cove only to be told that
	we were too early and to come back at show time.  So, we decided
	to go wading in the lagoon.  Except we never made it there
	because we got side tracked by the video games by the swimming
	pool.  Randy played games until it was almost show time.

	The luau was fun.  I had expected the food to be really bad and
	was pleasantly surprised to find that I liked it (except for the
	dessert).  I was disappointed with the mai tai's though, yuck.  Of
	course that didn't stop me from having a couple.  I would have
	had more but the thought of riding home with a hangover prevented
	me from doing it.  The show was less than I expected but Randy
	really liked it (even said he would be willing to see it again -
	not bad for the evil anti-Disney!).  Nicole slept through the
	whole thing.  I was surprised at the amount of "sex" (for lack
	of a better word) in the show - it being Disney and all.  Randy
	and I laughed a lot because so many women were making cat calls
	at the male dancers.  They really liked the guy with the tongue!
	From the sound of it you would have thought we were at
	Chippendale's!

	As we were leaving the luau, King Neptune's Electrical Water
	Pageant was starting so Nicole and I stopped to watch it while
	Randy played some more video games.

	We still had to pick up our package at Epcot so we stopped there.
	We considered going in to do Cranium Command but decided not to
	face the Illuminations crowds.  Goodbye Epcot (sniffle, sniffle).

	When we got back to the CBR we swam in the pool at Barbados.
	After a lot of coaxing we got Nicole to come in with us.  She
	had fun so she's no longer terrified of water!

    Saturday, May 26
	We packed up the car and left the CBR around 9:15AM.  We stopped
	at Goodings to get groceries for the return trip and breakfast.
	We were on our way at 10:00, reaching I-95 at 11:00.  There was
	more traffic than I had expected.  I had forgotten to consider
	the beach traffic.  We drove until 2:45, stopping to eat just
	after we got to Georgia.  We started driving again around 3:30
	and stopped at 4:00 to get gas and ice (10 minute stop).  We
	drove until 7:00, stopping somewhere in North Carolina and left
	around 7:30.  We stopped for gas again at 10:00 in Virginia
	and drove until 11:45 - when we stopped to find a hotel in
	Fredericksburg.  There weren't any available at the first exit
	but we got one at the next one - it was midnight.  We stayed at
	a Day's Inn.  It was a really bad room.  Everything felt damp
	and it was musty smelling.  We managed to sleep, at least they
	had a complimentary breakfast.

	The weather was hot and humid all day.  Nicole whined the whole
	time about the sun being in her eyes.  The worst part was around
	Richmond.  We drove into a thunder storm and it was pouring.  We
	didn't know whether it was safer to stop or drive.  Some parts
	of the highway were flooding and we saw a few accidents.  We
	decided to drive through it since we would have gotten lost in
	the city.  Visibility was too poor to read any signs.

    Sunday, May 27
	We left Fredericksburg at 9:00AM and didn't stop until 1:00
	so we could eat and get gas (ha, ha) somewhere in New Jersey.
	We left at 1:45, stopped for 15 minutes at 3:30 in Connecticut
	so I could use the bathroom and drove the rest of the way home
	without stopping.  We got to Derry at 6:45 - not too bad.  We
	would have gotten home earlier but we missed the junction with
	the Palisades Parkway in NY and ended up going over the George
	Washington Bridge and all that traffic.

    After thoughts:
	We noticed a few changes while we were at WDW, most positive -
	like the new paint job in Tomorrowland.  At some point during
	our stay, the train spiel (on at least one train) was changed
	from the Mickey's Birthdayland Express song back to the original
	monologue discussing the scenes around the train route.  I was
	relieved as the song was the evil twin of It's a Small World and
	as such would spin around in your head all day until you ran
	around the park in a frenzy, eating Dole whip here, frozen
	bananas there and such.

	One thing that really amazed me is the shiny gold portions of
	the exterior of It's a Small World are done in gold leaf.  I
	made sure to take a couple of pictures of the men applying it.

	The two negatives that stick out in my mind were a couple of
	dirty bathrooms and lots of things were being refurbished for
	my future enjoyment, even in MGM!

	I also noticed some changes in myself.  I used to rush from
	attraction to attraction trying to see it all and more.  This
	time I was more relaxed and wanted to more things like Typhoon
	Lagoon and the dinner shows.  I see this as a positive change.
183.28PAPPAS::JIMJim PappasWed Jul 11 1990 03:1543
    
        I am probably setting the record here for the longest trip to
        WDW.  There are five of us in my family, with three children
        ages 4, 6, and 8.  We flew down on June 14th and returned
        three weeks later on July 5th.

        This started out as a 4 day business trip for me, which I
        combined with an additional 10 days of vacation.  We stayed at
        the Caribbean Beach Resort for these two weeks.  Later, after
        our plans were already set, we decided to go down a week
        early.  We rented a condo in Kissimmee and invited my
        mother-in-law to spend the first week with us.

        Having this much time allowed us to have a very relaxing time;
        we were quite atypical from the normal Disney crowd. 
        Naturally, most people try to jam as much as possible into the
        few days they have for the parks.  With our annual passports
        we were able to really take it easy.  Most days we went into
        the theme parks, but we would typically only spend a few hours
        at a time there, generally either very early or very late when
        the crowds were nearly non-existent.  Even though this was the
        busiest time of the year, we spent less time standing in lines
        than we did in early December, the least busy time of the
        year.

        We had annual pass upgrades for Typhoon Lagoon, River Country,
        and Discovery Island.  Additionally, my wife and I bought the
        upgrades for Pleasure Island.  We used at least one of the
        above on most days.  These upgrades are a great deal if you
        are down there for a while.  My mother-in-law had a super pass
        so she could go to these places as well during her week with
        us.

        Bottom Line:  As someone else said earlier, WDW is a great
        resort where children are welcome.  We came back from WDW
        relaxed from a great vacation.  Last time we returned we felt
        like we needed a vacation to recuperate.

        I will enter a lot more data in the various topics throughout
        this notesfile.

        /Jim Pappas
    
183.29Trip Report June 1990 - Wiedeman FamilySIMUL::WIEDEMANWed Aug 01 1990 17:25296
	2 adults, 3 kids (3, 7, 11)

**Day 1 6-23

For train trip details see note # 84.

We arrived via Amtrak in Orlando at about 2:30 pm on Sat. Jun 23.
The terminal is small, old and somewhat rundown.

We found the temp and humidity to be quite comfortable.
It was hot but not as humid as it is up here in the summer.

We rented a car at the terminal form Air-Rail Rental, it
cost us about $240 for 10 days without CDW. 

We then proceeded to the CBR and checked in. We got a
room in the Martinique section (as suggested in the notes file).
It was a good choice. It is close to the bus stop and
close to Old Port Royale.

The room was very nice, clean, and comfortable. It was much nicer than
most places we have stayed at. We rested for awhile and then went to
Mass at the Queen of the Universe Shrine on Vineland Dr.

It started to rain quite hard. We went to the Olive Garden
near the Crossroads Shopping Center. It was very good. We
all had pasta of somesort. It was a bit expensive for spagehtti
($7.00, I think). Also went to the Publix market on 
102 east and picked up a cooler, snacks, and breakfast food.

We then went back to the room for the night.

**Day 2 6-24

We go up early to try to get to the MK before official opening
time but we ran up against Murphy's law. We got on the bus
and the bus driver asked if we had pink passes for the 
early bird breakfast. Apparently, on some days you need a
ticket to get into the MK early, these can be obtained at
you hotel front desk. So we got dropped off at the TTC
like everyone else, got into the park at about 9:30am.

We upgraded our 5 day passports to a five day super pass.
This allowed us unlmited access to Typhoon L, Pleasure I,
Disc Isl, and River country for 7 days plus (about $130 for
adults, about $110 ?? for kids). They do not
appear to offer a regular 5 day pass any more. 

This was a Sunday and the crowds were not too bad. We did have
to wait for about 30 minutes for the Jungle Cruise. We then
went to Pirates and then got on the train for Mickey's Starland
Show, very enjoyable, then the kids got to see Mickey backstage
the 3 yr old like this alot. Rode the train back to frontierland.

Went to smallworld. 

We went back to the CBR for a rest via bus. Did some swimming
at the Old Port R pool. Had dinner. Returned and did the
haunted Mansion, I stayed outside with the little guy. He was
scared a little on the Jungle cruise). 

This was the first time we have been there in the summer so
we got to see the electrical parade and tinkerbell flying down 
from the castle. It was very entertaining. The parade was
"awesome". Got back late about 12:00 midnight.

**Day 3 6-25

Since this is a crowded day according to Birnbaum and the Unofficial
Guide, we went to Typhoon Lagoon. What a place! We went on the
river that goes around the whole park first. Good relaxing ride
but watch out for the water falls they could knock kid under.

We also went on the family raft ride ??falls. It was a goosd ride but
it did not last too long (it is 300feet long but it goes by fast).
We played in the wave pool a little, the waves can be quite large.
They gulp up a lot of people, I don't know how the swimmers keep from
bumping into the bottom (concrete) or each other.

We visited the shark tank and went down under to look through
the port holes at the fish. This is made to look like you in a
sunken ship in a reef, very real. One thing that bothered me was 
that there were no low port holes for little kids, what were the
designers thinking??

When we went back to the room, I think we ordered the room service
Pizza. It was expensive but good ($14 for a pepperoni with tip).
That and cans of coke was our dinner. The kids loved it.

**Day 4 6-26 


This was our day for the character bfast on the Empress Lilly.
I think this is the BEST character Bfast. We did Chip and Dale's
at Fort Wilderness last year it was good but not as good as
this one. We went on the 3rd deck. The food, service, and show
were excellent. They had the five major char's come out
Mickey, Minnie, Pluto, Goofy, Donald. The crew were very 
congenial to the guests.

We then went shopping at the Village. the kids had been saving
all year for. They each had about $100. They were somewhat disappointed 
at the prices. I think Walt might be doing some spins now if he knew how
expensive the gifts and food items are. The kids even started to
cry! They did find some items that they really liked at the Pirates
gift area in the MK and at the Morocco pavillion in EPCOT (these
appear to be the best places for value per $).

We had lunch somewhere and then we went to Fort W for reserved horse-
back riding for my older daughter and wife. They really liked it. I
took my younger daughter and little son to the Trading post for
a Coke while we waited.  The bus driver said that the campgrounds
are going to be refurbished this fall. We then went to the
petting farm and the two younger Kids got to ride a pony.

Not sure what we did next but I think we went back to the CBR 
and wnet swimming in the Martinique pool. Less crowded than the
Old Port pool. The beaches at CBR were only use dby a few people.


**Day 5  6-27

This was the day we went to River Country and Discovery Island.
If we didn't have the Super Pass we would not have gone to these two.
We took the bus to the TTC and then a boat to River country. I think
that our family actually enjoyed river country better than Typhoon
Lagoon. It was not crowded but there were enough people there to make
it fun. The kids really enjoyed the small slides. Me and the wife 
even did the tube ride. It is smaller so that it is easier to keep
track of the kids and get your bearings. My kids also liked the
pool there. 

We stopped at the crocket tavern to get a drink and then visited the
trading post and the playground near it. From here we took the boat to
Discovery Island. We enjoyed it quite alot but if it were not on the
Super Pass we would pass it up. The admission price is just too high
for what you get there. Don't get me wrong, it is a great bird zoo but
not, in my opinion, worth $40 for a family to spend on.

Not sure waht we did next.



**Day 6 6-28 

This is the day we went to EPCOT. We took the bus over from the CBR.
After getting a schedule from Spacesip Earth we headed for the
Wonders of Life. We must have spent over two hours in there
and still did not see everything. I thought it was quite neat.
We really enjoyed the making of me with Martin Short.
The kids really like all the hands on stuff and especially
the house that makes you look small and big. We did not try
body wars, we saved ourselves for Star Tours at MGM.

From here we went to GM's World of Motion not much of a line
here. Then we went to Norway and rode the boat, nice but short.
Good movie at the end. From here we went to Mexico, I always
have liked the atmosphere here. Boat ride is quite relaxing and
cool. There were some mexican musicians playing a wooden xylaphone
in the market place area.

We then headed over to the Living Seas where I hade made Lunch
res. at the Odyssey. This restaurant is really neat because
of the huge view you have of the Living Seas aqaurium. There
were a large number of all kinds of hughe fish that swam by plus
a diver. The place is decorated in a maroon or kelly green I think,
kind of dark and mellow. I thought the food was very good but
pricey as is everything else at Disney. I definitely would
recommend this place if you have the extra money. It costs 
us about $50 for lunch my family. The kids got the kids meals,
I forgot what my wife and I had but it was very good.

(The other restaurants that I think are quite nice and have 
a great atmosphere are the Land Grille in the Land pavillion,
we had lunch there last year. The other one that looks inviting
is the one in Mexico although we have not eaten there. Also
a few years ago we went for the show at the Germany, more food
than I could eat and the entertainment was very enjoyable if you
like the oompah style music.)


**Day 7 6-29

This was a Friday so we ventured very early to MGM Studios.
Some people on a previous bus ride suggested that we get there
at 7:00am, we got there at about 8:00am. No crowds or lines!
We followed the plan in the unofficial guide except in one
case and it worked very well. We especially liked Star Tours.
This ride is very realistic! Kind of like being on an outer
space roller coaster. We then went to the Great Movie Ride,
excellent! By noon we hade seen about all we could see because 
the lines were pretty long at that point. The place started to get
crowded at about 10:30 or so. We did get to see most of what we
wanted to from 8 til 11am. We came back another day to see
the rest of it. We never did get a chance to do the
walking tour part of the backstage ride.

We thought MGM was very enjoyable! I really liked it. It
is smaller that the other two parks but it has a lot of
good things to see and do. (We did not make Universal due
to lack of funds but from the ads its looks like it has
"one-up" on MGM, the rides look like they are "state of the 
art").

**Day 8 6-30

We went back to Epcot today and hit some of the countries and
pavillions that we missed before. After the movie in France,
my wife and two daughters did a little shopping while my son
(3 yrs old) and I sat by the fountain. He was reaching over the
edge a playing in the water. I naturally turned my back for
a nanosecond, sure enuff, in he went. Soaking wet! So we headed
to the new entry to the Swan/Dolphin hotels near England and
bought him a long shirt. The we took the tram to the Swan and
Dolphin (these are attractions in themselves, worth walking thru).
The we decided to take the boat to MGM and catch see the Muppet
Show and go thru the animation tour. It was after 6 pm at that point.
The lines were about a half hour wait. (One bus driver said the
best time to hit MGM was after 6pm, I think it is much better
to get up early and get there before 8am.) The Muppet Show was
very good. The animation exhibit was very educational and interesting.

**Day 9 7-1

This was Sunday and we went back to that the MK. Had breakfast at
Tony's Cafe. I was disappointed here because I expected more 
"Lady and Tramp" type theme. It looked just like the old
Town Square Cafe with a few new pictures. Prices were ridiculusly
hight. Coffee was $1.50 I believe. Anyway we got to ride the big
canoes at Frontierland, The 3 yr did very good paddling. Then
we took turns with the two girls on Thunder Mount RR. The first
time for them. The 11 year old screamed the whole way but she did 
have fun. The 7 yr old laughed the whole time and wanted to go
again. We did tomorrowland and then went on the teacup ride.
Eventhough this was a Sunday it started to get very crowded due to
the fact it was near the 4th of July. People also seemed to be
somewhat ruder than normal.

**Day 10 7-2

Last full day, I forgot what we did but we rode around and did
some misc stuff. Went swimming at the poly, took my older daughter
for hair styling at the beauty shop at the Poly. They did a real
nice job, I would recommend them. Took a boat over to the MK
bus stop and went back to the CBR. We relaxed and then went to
this rest. on 192W called "Key W Cools", a themed tropical style
place. Key W is a penquin and  he ws out in the praking lot and
my daughter with the new hairstyle to our table like he was her date.
This palce was quite neat and had a nice selection of different
food. Prices were less than Disney. The food was good. I recommend it
for a change of pace. 

Because this was our last night we wanted to have a restful evening 
at the CBR, of course Murphy's las came into play. We walked over
to a gift shop and while in the shop my 3 yr old scratched his eyeball
somehow. We drive back to the CBR Custom's House and the attendent
told us how to get to a hospital. He offered to have someone drive us 
there but we drive instead. Sand Lake hospital about a 20 minute ride.
Waited in the emergency room for quite a while. They checked his eye
and put in some salve and patched it. COST $201.00!! I had to pay on
the spot! I did get re-imbursed by John Hancock later. Got back to the
CBR about midnight.

Day 11 7-3

Checked out and headed for the Amtrak station for our trip home.


Comments:

	The weather was surprisingly bearable. It was hot but it was not
	that humid. I found it more comfortable than a hot, humid day up
	here. You need to keep a sunscreen on or you will BURN.

 	No matter how much time or money you have it's never enough.
		
	The buses worked out fine but they did seem to take some of
	the uniqueness away from being at WDW.

	Had a grat time, the vacation was fun but not too relaxing.

	We thought that the maintenance at the parks was not quite
	what it was in the past. May be we just seemed to notice it
	more because we have been there 4 times. Minor stuff, worn
        rugs, cob webs, wiggly rest. tables, etc. - the parks are still 
	very clean and well taken care of.

	Prices of gifts and food have gone up quite alot from last
	year.

	Pinocchio's rest near Small world is relatively inexpensive.
	Adventureland Veranda also.		

	Florida tax on rental cars is up from $.50/day to $2.00/day,
	love those politicians.
183.30Trip Report ComingCOEM::SCOPAMAJORMon Aug 13 1990 13:278
    This is my first time back in the conference since July 3rd. I felt it
    only right that I not jump back in until I submitted my trip report. My
    report follows this reply and it's quite long. It covers from July 8
    until July 26th.
    
    You may want to extract it and readit later.
    
    Mike
183.31WDW Trip Report (7/8/90-7/26/90)COEM::SCOPAMAJORMon Aug 13 1990 13:281724
 

          First off I have to preface this report with a few points:

          o  The report contains more than just WDW information because I
             thought other information may be of some interest to future
             vacationers.

          o  At times it may seem that this vacation was a bit extrav-
             agant. It really wasn't but keep in mind that the wait (14
             years) and the heavy duty planning (3 years) prepared us men-
             tally and financially for our trip. This is important to keep
             in mind...you don't do this type of trip every year.

          o  This trip was very enjoyable because of my fellow noters
             and all the information I compiled from this conference.
             I hope to add to the wealth of information already in this
             conference.

          Okay, everyone have their vicarial powers working? Here goes...



          Sunday, July 8

          I had set the alarm for 3:00 A.M. but I was up at 2:40. We had
          packed the van the night before and I had checklists up the
          ying-yang insuring that I would not forget anything.

          We woke up the kids, got them dressed, checked the doors and
          windows, got our last minute things together, everyone into the
          van. I went back into the house and went over my list one more
          time. We took off at 4:00 A. M.

          Our first stop was in Mount Kisco, N.Y. for fuel and a quick
          breakfast. We pulled in next to another New Hampshire car. These
          people were returning from Tennessee and they were also from
          Merrimack. Small world. Well, a quick breakfast and we were off
          at 8:30. We were about 90 minutes ahead of schedule.

          Our next stop was in Alexandria, Va. (actually it was Newgate,
          Va. but who's heard of Newgate?). We reached this destination
          point 3 hours ahead of schedule. Mickey's pull was greater than
          even I had anticipated. I guess an early start, fewer stops, and
          driving fast had a lot to do with it. Fatigue was not a factor
          yet. I planned on putting as much behind me as possible on this
          first day. Driving through cities kinda pumps me up too.

          Once we got through D.C. and part of Virginia I started to get a
          little tired so my wife took over and drove until we hit Roanoke
          Rapids, North Carolina. At this point it's around 6:30 Sunday
          night so we secured a room, ate, and then went right to sleep.

          By the way, we looked for Best Western Hotels. They seemed to
          be the cleanest and most economical of the hotel/motel chains.
          We had passed one about 20 miles back but hadn't stopped. We
          settled for the Interstate Inn.

          We traveled 696 miles that first day. Total time on the road was
          a little over 13 hours. We had logged almost 200 miles more than
          my original schedule.



          Monday, July 10

          We got up early and headed out. We had packed snacks and juices
          in our cooler to save time. We decided to skip breakfast and
          take off early.

          About 50 miles down the road we ran into a Stuckey's and I
          pulled in to see what kind of brochures and such I could pick
          up. They were offering Universal Studios tickets and were hon-
          oring the discount card I had gotten from The PAC Center. I
          figured I could get them here so I wouldn't have to wait in line
          at US. I was able to get the adult tickets but not a children's
          ticket for my son. I got the three adult tickets and hoped for
          another spot along the way that had a supply of children's tick-
          ets.

          Of course we stopped in and saw Pedro at "South of the Border"
          which has to be the best Tourist Trap in the U.S.

          While driving through South Carolina we passed by some prison
          work crews working along the side road. They were being watched
          over by armed guards.

          Again we were making grat progress...soon I was finding myself
          ahead of schedule by almost a 8 hours. We pulled into the north-
          ern outskirts of Jacksonville, Fla. at around 7 P.M. I checked
          my schedule. I was almost a full day ahead of schedule. If you
          drive don't make a lot of stops. You'll get there faster. I
          would have been in Orlando Monday night if we hadn't stopped at
          "South of the Border" earlier in the day.

          I could have taken another 2-3 hours to make it to Orlando but
          we were really tired and needed to rest. We secured a room (Best
          Western) and had supper at a Lum's Restaurant before going to
          our room. While in the restaurant I decided that I would call
          the CRO and and try to get my CBR room a day ahead of schedule.
          The person I talked to was great. She told me that the CBR could
          not squeeze me in a day early but was willing to look around
          for another room. I told her we wanted to stay on the property.
          She came up with a $400 night at The Disney Inn. No thanks. She
          then went down the list and finally came up with a "special" at
          the Contemporary. My wife and I had always dreamed of staying
          at the Contemporary Resort when we visited WDW in '75 and '76
          but it was always too high in price. Since we were ahead of
          schedule and since the adrenalin was flowing I grabbed it. When
          I told the family where we were staying we all got hyper like
          you wouldn't believe. Boy was it tough getting to sleep that
          night.

          A few notes in my trip notebook and I was then hitting the
          pillow.



          Tuesday, July 10

          I got up early the next day, showered, and started packing the
          van. Everyone else got up, showered, and dressed. We took a vote
          and the vote was not to have breakfast in Jacksonville but to
          drive awhile and have a mid-morning breakfast.

          Well I started off and soon we were in downtown Jacksonville
          during rush hour. Unfortunately I was not in the correct lane
          and missed a turn and instead found myself on U.S. 17 which runs
          parallel to 95. I stopped off at a MacDonalds for breakfast and
          plotted out the remaining distance. Eventually we could link
          up with 95 although 17 was actually shorter in distance so we
          stayed on it. It was shorter but was slower too...less traffic.

          We eventually picked up U.S. 4 and we were in North Orlando.
          We started seeing all kinds of billboards for Universal Studio.
          Big bucks were spent on those billboards. Then we passed through
          the city and eventually we saw WDW signs. I headed for TMK and
          The Contemporary Resort. I pulled into the Contemporary parking
          lot, got out of the van, and just stood there taking it all in.
          I could see the castle, space mountain, the Grand Floridian, the
          monorail, everything. I had returned.

          We got into the Contemporary and pre-registered. They told us
          they could move our bags over to the CBR to save us time the
          next day. I told them that I'd do it myself...I didn't want to
          take any chances.

          We loaded the cameras, went upstairs, and took the monorail to
          TMK. Now carrying around tickets, cash, and Traveler's Checques
          can be tricky and uncomfortable. I immediately went into the Em-
          porium and bought my first souvenir...a Mickey Pouch. This pouch
          held my cash, traveler's cheques, the kids' Disney Dollars, my 4
          and 5 day passes, and the tiny notebook I used to jot notes down
          for this report.

          By the way, they were advertising a 6-day Super Pass....more on
          this later.

          As we were walking up Main Street U.S.A. (it's about 1 P.M.)
          we could see "The Kids of the Kingdom" performing at the castle
          forefront. My kids wanted to see "Pirates of the Caribbean"
          first. We went in the left side and we were in the boat within
          30 minutes. Ah yes...a Pirate's life for me. We seemed to have
          a problem with our 35mm camera so after "Pirates..." we went to
          "The Darkroom" on Mainstreet and they were able to fix it for
          us.

          Hmmm. haven't eaten since 8:30 or so. We decided to take a
          stroll over to the Tomorrowland Terrace....usually not crowded
          for lunch. Afterwards the kids wanted to see the Hall of Presi-
          dents. I too was curious about the "new" Abe Lincoln as well as
          the new additions. Abe seemed a lot smoother in his movements.

          We then took a stroll over to the Silversmith Shop in Liberty
          Square. My wife had been thinking about a ring she almost got 14
          years ago. They didn't have that particular ring but she found
          one she liked.

          We headed back to Main Street U.S.A. for the 3 P.M. Character
          Parade. It was pretty good with all the Disney characters. The
          parade lasted about 30 minutes tops.

          From there we wandered about and started to head towards Big
          Thunder Mountain Railroad. Along the way I mentioned the Haunted
          Mansion and we decided to visit the old spooky joint. The wait
          was maybe 15 minutes. I noticed a change in the attraction from
          my last visit. It seemed like the graveyard scene was much
          darker than back in 1976. It was as if they had removed some
          of the figures. This scene was to the left of your car...after
          you pass the three singing heads.

          As we left the Haunted Mansion and headed towards Big Thun-
          der Mountain Railroad we came across the WDW All-American
          College Band. These guys are great as they entertained us in
          Liberty Square. We forgot about BTMR and headed towards the Jun-
          gle Cruise instead. This ride had the longest wait of all the
          attractions...45 minutes.

          While on the way to the Jungle Cruise I noticed Aloha Isle...home
          of DOLE WHIP....so after the JC I introduced my kids to the
          wonders of Dole Whip.

          Last year my daughter got a parakeet and ever since she's been
          bird crazy...she wanted to go to the Tiki-Room so I obliged. I'm
          not a big Tiki-Room fan. The audio-animatronic age has come a
          long way since these birds first made their appearance some 25
          years ago. Again, hardly any lines, not a real popular show.

          After Tropical Serenade we strolled over to FantasyLand. We went
          in to "Magic Journeys" and I was amazed at the 3D effects...much
          better than Captain EO. We came out of "Magic Journeys" and
          headed for Main Street U.S.A. for the Electrical Light Parade.
          The crowd had already gathered but we managed a spot near the
          entrance to Adventure Land (left of the castle. One of the Main
          Street ushers was busy keeping the crowd busy with some comical
          antics.

          The Parade was topnotch as usual.

          After the Parade we headed back to FantasyLand. We took in "It's
          a Small World". The kids loved it.

          We came out and it was close to fireworks time. We cut through
          towards TomorrowLand and got a spot to sit at the Tomorrowland
          Terrace. Everyone was there. The fireworks seemed a little less
          than I had expected but then again the last time I had witnessed

          Fireworks in TMK it was the Bicentennial and the show was a bit
          bigger.

          One nice touch was Tinker-Bell. Are you going soon? Then when
          the lights go out focus your camera to the top of Cinderella
          Castle or you'll miss Tink.

          It had been a long day so we decided to head back to The Con-
          temporary to get our key and get a good night's sleep. Along
          the way we stopped off at "The Darkroom" to have our first roll
          of film developed. We wanted to be sure the camera was work-
          ing poperly before using another roll of film. Having your film
          developed down there is expensive.

          We dropped off the film and we saw the WDW Express Railroad and
          said, "Why not?" We took a ride around TMK and cooled off in the
          process. We then left the park and headed for The Contemporary.

          Everyone fell off to sleep before me. I soon joined everyone
          after I jotted down some trip notes.



          Wednesday, July 11

          Since we were closest to TMK the kids wanted to start the day
          there. We checked out (express checkout is the best way to
          check out) and headed towards TMK. This was to be the only day I
          would not have my video camera with me. We walked into the park
          and there was Minnie and Roger Rabbit and me without my video
          camera. Not only did I have it with me from that day forward...I
          made good use of it logging about 28 hours of footage.

          I went into Guest Services to inquire about upgrading my 5-day
          passes to Super Passes. Before leaving NH I went to the Disney
          Store to buy Super Passes but found that they were sold only at
          the parks. I purchased four 4-day passes and used them the first
          couple of days.

          I was able to upgrade my 5-day passes to 5-day Super Passes.
          The cost was an extra $70. This saved me at least $50 and maybe
          as much as $70 because we visited Typhoon Lagoon a couple of
          times. Typhoon Lagoon runs you about $19/per person if you are
          not a resort guest...$16 if you are a Resort Guest. A family of
          4 would pay either $64 or $78 for one day. A 6-day Super Pass
          was also available and later on in this report I'll mention why
          I wish I had opted for that one instead of the 5-day.

          Okay gang...where is the best place in TMK to eat breakfast?
          The Crystal Palace of course. And wouldn't you know it....a Jazz
          Trio came over to our table and played for us...and me without
          my camera.

          I found out that spilled Orange juice should not be allowed to
          touch powder blue shorts. "That's okay son...it'll dry....I'll
          live".

          After breakfast we headed towards Frontierland...my son had seen
          the Shooting Gallery the day before so we went there and spent
          some time and money shooting light beams at inanimate objects
          that became animated once a beam hit them.

          The next stop was the Country Bear Vacation Hoedown and again
          I wish I had my camera because I was only a few rows back. Any
          camera with a decent lux will work okay in that attraction.

          When we came out of that attraction it was close to 11 A.M. The
          pictures were supposed to be ready by then and we were concerned
          about the camera and if it was working correctly. We headed to
          The Darkroom and got our pictures. They were great. The camera
          was working fine. Big sigh of relief. My wife and daughter
          thought that this was a good time to do some souvenir shopping
          for friends and relatives and my son and I agreed...except that
          we headed for the penny arcade and also back to the Shooting
          Gallery. I recommend the fighting helicopter in the Arcade.

          We were all to meet in the Arcade at Noon. We were a bit thirsty
          and grabbed an ice tea. We then were entertained by the piano
          player (no *&^%$#@ camera). He took requests and I asked him to
          play "Baroque Hoedown". He said he wasn't allowed to play that
          song. Interesting.

          Well after the piano playing we strolled over to TomorrowLand.
          We went into the Carousel of Progress (15 minute wait) and I
          noticed that the last scene had changed a lot since my last
          visit. It's still a pretty good attraction.

          We then took a ride on The Wedway which took us through Space
          Mountain, Dreamflight, and the rest of Tomorrowland. At one
          point the ride stopped and we heard someone say the ride had
          stopped temporarily but that it would start up again. Attrac-
          tions with moving cars stop at times to allow the boarding of
          wheelchair visitors.

          Our next stop was Circlevision....another 15 minute wait. The
          film was new to me...enjoyable but I liked the original film
          when WDW first opened.

          We stopped off for a ice cream before leaving to check into the
          CBR. It was getting close to check-in time.

          Orlando and WDW has changed a lot since 1976 and it took me a
          day to get my bearings. All the changes plus driving through
          my first Florida rainstorm in 14 years added to the confusion.
          I did manage to get to the CBR on this day (thanks for the map
          Claude).

          While checking in at the CBR the computer equipment bit the
          dust. They were using that other company...I immediately flashed
          the badge and gave a little sales pitch.
 
          We had a second floor corner room in Martinique. It was a non-
          smoking room also. The key is almost like an NCS card. We were
          close to the pool and the ice machine. I liked the room....big
          enough for our needs.

          The CBR is perfect because it is 5 minutes from Typhoon Lagoon,
          MGM, and the WDW Village, 10 minutes from Epcot Center, and
          about 20 minutes from TMK.

          Busses were alawys there when you needed them. Sometimes I drove
          and sometimes I took the bus. At TMK I parked at either The
          Grand Floridian or The Contemporary. The only problem with
          Martinique is that you have to go through the rest of the CBR
          before the bus leaves for a park. This only bothered me when
          going to either MGM or Epcot because they were so close. I
          recommend driving to those parks...as well as Typhoon Lagoon.

          After checking in we headed over to check out Old Port Royale.
          We found it to be pretty handy and we usually ate breakfast
          there.

          My son is a big Tigger fan and at the store in Port Royale were
          a lot of Tiggers....all marked at $24.95. I figured we'd wait
          until we got to the Shopping Village so I could use my Magic
          Kingdom Club Card but one of the Tiggers was marked at $18.95 so
          we grabbed it.

          Well we put Tigger back in our room and headed off yet again
          to TMK. It was close to 7 P.M.at this time and my wife and I
          wanted to get good spots for the Electrical Light Parade. Also,
          I wanted to get a good place to tape the parade. We got to the
          park around 7:30 and the kids wanted to go to the Penny Arcade.
          We let them go and we staked out a spot. Even around 7:30 a
          lot of spots were taken. We ended up sitting across from the
          Emporium. One of life's greatest pleasures is sitting along
          either Main Street U.S.A. or Hollywood Blvd. (MGM) and taking in
          the atmosphere (and streetmosphere).

          To our left we could see storm clouds building. I stopped one of
          the cast members and asked about the possibility of the parade
          being cancelled due to the weather. He said that rain would
          not stop the parade unless it was a real downpour. However, any
          lightning and the parade is cancelled.

          Now before we had left for our trip my wife had mentioned about
          getting ponchos and I had said they weren't worth it. It started
          to rain and she ran into the Emporium and got some ponchos. Let
          me state right now that ponchos really should be a consideration
          while you're down there in the Spring, Summer, and Fall months.
          We carried them and an umbrella in a backpack.

          The kids returned and we all sat down in our ponchos and we
          waited for the parade. I got great shots and the kids enjoyed
          the up close seating. Unfortunately the back of my shorts
          were soaked. It rained while my wife went to get the ponchos
          but I didn't give up my spot. I still had on the powder blue
          shorts...looked like I had an accident if you know what I mean.

          Now I wanted to find a spot to videotape the fireworks. Along
          the way we decided to call home and say hi to one of the grand-
          parents. After that we looked for a spot in front of the castle
          to watch the fireworks. The trees have grown really tall so it
          was hard for me to find a good spot...but I did and managed to
          tape the whole show with no problems.

          It was around 10:30 now and my kids wanted to take on Big Thun-
          der Mountain Railroad. I'm not a roller coaster fan but from
          what I had read in here I thought that the ride wouldn't be
          too bad...plus I think my daughter was going to wimp out and
          my son wouldn't have anyone to ride with him. The line was
          not too bad and again it seemed like only a 15 minute wait.
          I got a little nervous as we got closer. We ended up in the
          last row on the last car. I was okay until the first drop. After
          that I had my eyes closed. The drops were tough enough but oh
          those turns...and it looked so smooth watching the ride from the
          ground. Well we got off and the kids, especially my daughter,
          wanted to go on again. They did, I didn't. Another 15 minute
          wait for them.

          It was now pass 11:30 and time to head out. I walked down Main
          Street with my videocamera on my shoulder and taped TMK at
          night. With the crowd thinning out the park looked great.

          I fantasized about hiding out in a shrub and then waiting until
          the park closed, then videotaping the workers through the night.
          We caught our bus at TMK entrance and we were in our room at the
          CBR in 25 minutes.



          Thursday July 12

          Where else would one want to wake up on his/her 40th birthday
          but on the happiest place on Earth? The 5k run I managed to put
          in the previous morning wasn't in me this morning. After jotting
          down notes and watching TV the night before until 1:30 A.M. I
          felt some more sleep was in order.

          Today was to be a non-Disney day. We had breakfast at Port
          Royale and then sped off to Sea World. The HBJ discount card
          I got at the PAC center saved me some money with the admission
          price being about $25 per person. First order of business was
          to get a Sea World hat for my son. The sun had bothered him
          the first two days and a hat would take care of that. We walked
          around a bit...saw some flamingos...petted some sting rays...let
          the kids have some fun in that play area where they can climb
          up a rope net onto the ship and also blast away with some water
          cannons.

          The Shamu show was good. They have this huge video screen and
          use camera to catch the crowd on the screen once in awhile. We
          enjoyed all the tricks including the splashing of the orange
          clad Brazillian tour group. I had been so excited earlier in the
          week about arriving in WDW that I hadn't noticed them. Now they
          were noticeably wet.

          From the Shamu show we went to the Waterski Show. I'm not a
          Waterski fan but my wife is and she enjoyed it. It was a "USO
          Waterski Show" with some comedy relief thrown in. These people
          are quite skilled and the level of difficulty involved made you
          wonder how many hours they practice their craft.

          After the show we looked for a nice air-conditioned restaurant
          for lunch. I finished first because I needed to find an outlet
          to charge my battery for the video camera. The extra battery I
          had purchased a month before was working fine before the trip
          but couldn't hold a charge a month later...grrrrrr.

          I found an outlet in the men's room and gave my battery a 30
          minute charge.

          I caught up to everyone and we went into "Tropical Reef" which
          houses many different types of fish. Saw some interesting fish,
          including some sea horses.

          From there we wanted to catch The Water Fantasy a.k.a. The
          Waltzing Fountains but we just missed that show. We strolled
          over to the Hawaiian Rhythms for 15 minutes before heading back
          for the next show. The weather was really building up towards a
          storm and the heat and humidity started to build.

          The Water Fantasy was great. I ran out of video tape 5 minutes
          before the show ended but had an extra tape and ended up just
          missing about 30 seconds overall.

          From there we went over to the Whale and Dolphin Show. That was
          so-so. There wasn't much else to see except the Sharks so we
          headed towards them but the sky looked ominous. We got under
          cover and went through the Shark exhibit. Next to Shamu this is
          probably the best show/attraction at Sea World. At one point you
          go through a tunnel and you are surrounded by live sharks.

          When we got to the end of the tunnel we went up a ramp and
          found out that there was a heavy duty rainstorm going on. There
          was no way anyone in their right mind would try to go through
          it....industrial strength lighting was added for effect. Our
          ponchos were (sigh) in the van. This storm lasted long (for
          Florida), about 3 hours. We finally got out during a lull and
          headed towards the exit...picked up some shirts and postcards
          and headed back to the CBR. The rain lingered on but did not
          continue to pour down.

          We ate supper at Port Royale which was crowded. It seemed a lot
          of people were turned off by the rain and "sat out" the evening.

          We got back to the room around 10 or so and watched some of the
          videotape before catching the news. The weather had made some
          news...they're not used to all-day rain down there.

          The kids were tired and fell asleep around midnight while I
          jotted down more trip notes before nodding off.



          Friday, July 13

          I got up early for a short run around the CBR. You joggers will
          enjoy it...ya gotta do it early in the Summer (before 7) unless
          you love the heat. I came back to the room and grabbed the
          camera to tape some of the CBR. As I walked around one of the
          workers called to me and pointed up in the sky. I turned and saw

          a hot air balloon...then another one. What a sight...got it on
          tape. I also videotaped the pool area. The pools at the CBR are
          great. There is enough shallow area for the youngsters but also
          plenty of deeper water for the advanced swimmers.

          The kids got up around 8:30 or so. We showered and headed over
          to Port Royale for breakfast. We came back to the room around
          10:30. We then decided to spend sometime in the pool and do some
          laundry since we had about 5 days worth of laundry to do. We
          practically had the pool and the laundry to ourselves. We spent
          about 2 1/2 hours relaxing. Pool water feels pretty warm after
          you've come out of an air conditioned laundry room. The laundry
          facilities are right next to the pools at the CBR.

          After taking care of the laundry we got dressed and headed off
          to Medieval Times. We got there sometime in mid afternoon. There
          was hardly anyone there. We talked with the person behind the
          counter and she gave us the schpiel on the place. The 7 P.M.
          show was booked but the 9:30 show wasn't. We decided to hold off
          until Monday since that would be a crowded WDW day.

          We left Medieval Times and headed back towards Orlando (Medieval
          Times is in Kissimmee). We were getting hungry and looked for a
          good place to eat. We stopped in at a Sizzler Steak House. This
          place offerred a buffet type meal as well as regular dinners.
          I'd go there again anytime.

          Afterwards we stopped in any interesting places we spotted.
          One place in particular was called "Shell World". We stopped
          in there and they had everything and anything you could make
          with shells. They even had preserved baby sharks if you were in
          the market for one. Next door to this place was a huge t-shirt
          store. The best shirts they had were ones which said "University
          Gator Wrestling Squad". The shirts looked torn on one side with
          dried bloodstains.

          I talked to a woman who was selling attraction package tickets
          to people. She asked if I had Universal Studios tickets and I
          had said yes but I was looking for a child's ticket. She didn't
          have any. I asked her about Universal and she mentioned how some
          of the attractions are hit and miss. By that she said one day
          they're up and the next day they're down. I immediately stored
          this knowledge away and planned to wait until towards the end of
          our stay in Florida before venturing over to Universal Studios.
          I wanted to give them plenty of time to work out the bugs.

          After stopping off at a few other places we decided to head back
          to the CBR. ALong the way we stopped in a Publix supermarket and
          grabbed some juice and muffins. We planned on haveing a quick
          breakfast in the room and head off to Epcot in the morning.

          We got back to the room and got our clothes ready for the morn-
          ing and then we headed out to the pool for an evening dip. We
          came back around 11 and hit the sack.



          Saturday, July 14

          We were up early, had our muffins, and walked over to the bus
          stop for the Epcot bus. The bus dropped us off at the Epcot
          Entrance. We had arrived 15 minutes before the gates were to
          open (9 A.M. opening). We walked right past Spaceship Earth
          and headed for World Showcase. We took the boat to Italy. There
          were only 10 people on the boat. Heck everybody was in Future
          World. We got off the boat and headed over to The American

          Adventure. We were the first visitors to see the first show
          of the day. You know that huge theater? Well there were no more
          than a dozen people there for that first show. For those of you
          with video cameras be advised that the video came out well. Try
          to get within 20 feet of the stage...especially if you have a
          polarizing filter on your camera.

          We came out of the American Adventure in a patriotic state of
          mind and visited Japan, Morrocco, and France. It started to rain
          but we had our ponchos with us. We watched the film in France
          and then my kids decided they would try some of French Pastry.
          My wife and I abstained. We then headed back towards Italy.
          Still raining and the crowds are way down. We then visited
          Germany, took in the China movie, took a ride on The Maelstrom
          in Norway...probably the best ride in World Showcase, and then
          visited Mexico. The atmosphere in the Mexican Pavillion is
          really quite something.

          The rain was still coming down. The crowds were nowhere to be
          seen. Heck the length of the films, attractions, or rides were
          longer than the wait. I wouldn't even call them "waits" because
          most of the time we walked right in.

          After Mexico we headed over to Future World. The rain was begin-
          ning to let up. It was now around 2:45. We walked right in on
          The World of Motion. After that we headed over to the Odyssey
          Restaurant for lunch. I'm beginning to see more and more of
          our Brazillian neighbors...green, yellow, orange, red.....all
          different groups with their own special color....led by a flag
          waver.

          After lunch we decided it was time we voted for the Person of
          the Century. If you're keeping count I voted for Dr. Christian
          Barnard, Walt Disney, Jackie Robinson, Dr. Salk, and possibly
          FDR but not sure about that last one...mayber it was Babe Ruth.

          From there we went to Horizons. We went right on.

          Next was the Wonders of Life Pavillion. The kids wanted to
          go on Body Wars but I wanted no part of it. They got in line
          while my wife and I walked around the pavillion. The Body Wars
          line was long. I'd say my kids waited an hour and a half to
          go on it. They weren't too enthralled by the ride. We saw the
          Anacomical Players, rode some Wondercycles, visited the Sensory
          Funhouse, and did some of the other things as well as Coach's
          Corner before leaving the Pavillion. You can easily spend 2
          hours in this Pavillion so keep this in mind when planning your
          Epcot visit.

          The next stop was The Universe of Energy....again, no lines....I
          guess everyone was now in World Showcase. The rain had stopped.

          From there we went over to The Land and enjoyed "Listen to the
          Land".

          I forget why but for some reason we did not stay for Illumina-
          tions. The kids were tired (13 hours in Epcot) because we hadn't
          broken up the day like we had in the last few days.

          We took a bus back to CBR and had a late supper. We returned to
          our room, made some notes, and hit the old pillow. Epcot's size
          can do you in without you realizing it. We'd see Illuminations
          another day.



          Sunday, July 15th

          This was to be an exciting day. We headed off early for MGM.
          It's a 5 minute bus ride from the CBR...I should have driven it
          this first day. We went to Star Tours. We walked right in. My
          wife opted to sit this one out so she kept the videocamera. The
          ride was enjoyable and we talked my wife into trying it. She
          had been waiting at the ride bypass and had talked with one of
          the ride workers. The worker took us through the back way and we
          were back in the pod. This time I tried taping the ride. I had
          to do it with the camera at my hip. It's so so. I got a little
          queasy this time around as did my daughter. Two Star Tours rides
          in less than 10 minutes...it's got to be a record.

          We shot over to The Great Movie Ride...again, nobody there. We
          walked right in to the gangster side because they only had one
          side going. It's a great ride. You never know where "Alien"
          is going to pop out at you. I enjoyed the Indiana Jones-like
          portion....especially after the gangster had kidnapped us. He
          got his just desserts.

          We came out of the ride and went right back in, asking for the
          Western side. I think we waited 5 minutes this time. I knew what
          was going to happen in the Western scene and I had the camera
          ready. You sure can feel the heat.

          The Oz setting is very good...as is the Margaret Hamilton
          Audio-Animatron. I think that the Humphrey Bogart figure in
          the Casablanca Scene is amazing. The finale is great.

          It was still early (10:30) so we took in The Backstage Tour. It
          was neat. More advice for the videocamera buffs....sit on the
          right side of the car. We got off and had some "Fototoons" taken
          with Mickey and Minnie and had lunch while we waited for them.
          Lo and behold but COWABUNGA DUDES...yes it was April, Raphael,
          Donatello, Leonardo, and Michelangelo....those heroes in a half-
          shell...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. My son got all their
          autographs, including April's, and I got it all on tape. We
          went back and picked up our Fototoon picture. We then continued
          on towards Part II of the tour.

          We saw that humorous Goldie Hawn/Rick Moranis film along the
          way. We watched the special effects, and walked through the
          sound stages where Divorce Court, Let's Make a Deal, and The
          Mickey Mouse Club is taped.

          After the tour we took in "Here Come the Muppets" which is a real
          entertaining stage show. We waited 10 minutes for that show.

          It was early in the afternoon (around 1 P.M.) and we headed
          back to the CBR for a little R&R...we had a busy morning. Along
          the way we stopped in at this Music Video place in MGM and we
          made a family music video....my daughter made one of her own
          afterwards...it was fun.

          The bus brought us back to the CBR in 5 minutes. We watched
          the music videos while I charged the battery. We relaxed a
          bit before driving over to Fort Wilderness for Hoop-Dee-Doo.
          We pulled into Fort Wilderness, parked the car, and headed to
          the bus stop to take a bus to Pioneer Hall. We were halfway
          there when we realized we had left the backpack containing the
          ponchos, umbrella, and extra film, back at the bus stop. When we
          got to Pioneer Hall I stayed on the bus to return to the stop to
          hopefully find our backpack. It wasn't there. I went over to the
          lodge and filled out a lost article card and returned to Pioneer
          Hall...only 5 minutes before Hoop-Dee-Doo's 5 P.M. show.

          Our table was in the middle of the floor. They sang Happy
          Birthday to me. We enjoyed the entertainment. The food was so-
          so...the ribs were fatty but the chicken was okay...love those
          beans. It is a fun show and I would definitely do it again. The
          guy who played "Sixbits" would show up at yet another point in
          my vacation...keep reading to find out.

          After Hoop-Dee-Doo we went back to the Fort Wilderness Lodge to
          see if our backpack turned up...it did.

          We left Fort Wilderness and drove to MGM. We just missed getting
          in to see the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular so we headed
          for the Monster Sound Show. That was entertaining...oh yeah
          we waited...10 minutes.

          From The Monster Sound Show we headed over to "Indiana Jones".
          It was the last show of the day (9:30 P.M.). I recommend seeing
          this at night. It's a topnotch show.

          From "Indiana" we headed over to see "Diamond Double Cross"
          which was a musical with Dick Tracy, Breathless Mahoney, Mum-
          bles, and others. It is a Broadway type production and the lead
          song "Calling Dick Tracy" is catchy. If you saw the July 4th
          Disney special on TV you saw a short version of this 20 minute
          show.

          After the show we headed out to Hollywood Blvd. because Vin-
          cent Price's voice was all over the place informing us of the
          "Sorcery in the Sky" fireworks show that was coming up at 11:00.

          Now I had seen fireworks before but nothing can compare with
          a Disney fireworks show. The combination of synchronized fire-
          works, music, and singing really hypnotizes you. The first part
          of the show saluted movies and the second part was a salute to
          Fantasia with a 40-50 ft. Sorcerer's Apprentice (Mickey) appear-
          ing and shooting fireworks out of his finger. It was one of the
          more memorable moments of my trip.

          MGM closed at Midnight but we were tired so we left right after
          the fireworks. How close is CBR to MGM? Well the fireworks went
          off at 11:00 and after they were done we left the park....got
          into our car at 11:20...drove back to the CBR...I looked at my
          watch when we got in our room...it was 11:30. I was too tired to
          jot down notes...we all fell asleep real fast.



          Monday, July 16

          We left the CBR at 7:15 A.M. this day because we had a breakfast
          date with Chip and Dale at their character breakfast in Pioneer
          Hall. Once again an enjoyable show was on tap and the food was
          great. I recommend this character breakfast. Chip, Dale, Donald,
          Goofy, and Pluto were on hand. Somehow when it got to seeing who
          had a birthday my family pointed to me and I was sung to for the
          second time.

          After breakfast we decided to wander over to the Trading
          Post...I was in a souvenir buying mood. On the way we heard
          this familiar laugh and walking about 20 feet in front of us
          was one of my daughter's teachers who was roaming the country-
          side in his camper. Small world. After some small talk we bade
          goodbye and we went into the Trading Post and gobbled up some
          souvenirs...I got myself a Fort Wilderness shirt and hat.

          Remember Medieval Times? Well we wanted to do it this day so I
          called and made reservations from outside the Trading Post. Got
          reservations for the early show. We needed to shop for mementos
          and to get some stuff for friends and relatives so we drove over
          to the Disney Shopping Village. If you are a serious shopper
          that's the place to go.

          One of the stores there, I think it's the character shop, has a
          robot that creates custom designs on t-shirts. We picked up a
          few things and put them back into the car. We wanted to check
          out Pleasure Island. Before going we all got a Root Beer Float
          to cool off.

          Pleasure Island is a neat place. I don't think I'd go there at
          night with kids but during the day it's nice and not crowded
          at all. It was at Pleasure Island that my daughter saw a Mickey
          Watch she wanted. I had promised her one and got it for her.

          There was also a Music Video Place at Pleasure Island. I
          couldn't resist. I did a duet with my daughter and my son and
          daughter also did a duet. Be advised that there is a difference
          between making music videos at MGM and at Pleasure Island. MGM
          has private booths...at Pleasure Island EVERYONE watches you
          make your video...at MGM only if you want to will they show your
          video on the bank of video screens...at Pleasure Island your
          video is played on the screens immediately.

          Well it turned out to be quite a day so far. We drove back to
          the CBR to drop off our stuff and freshen up for Medieval Times.

          We drove to Kissimee to MT and purchased a combo ticket which
          allowed us to visit the twon they had brought back from Europe.
          This was called "Medieval Life"...sort of a Sturbridge Village.
          It was quite interesting. We watched them train falcons in one
          area...quite a sight. We learned about all the crafts of those
          days and also saw a torture chamber which contained some two
          dozen torture devices.

          Afterwards we went through a door and were greeted by the
          king...each one of us had our picture taken with the king.

          Soon we were called to our seats, we had front row seats. We
          were to root for the Red Knight. Our waitress...erh "wench"
          was Glenda. And yes it's true, you do not have any utensils.
          The food was decent...wine cocktail, chicken flambe', vegetable
          soup, spare ribs, potato, and pastry of the castle.

          Before we had started eating someone with a camera took our
          picture...more on this later.

          The King's right hand man was making all sorts of announcements
          before the competition began...one of which was announcing my
          birthday....my wife had struck again. If I had a chance I was
          going to tell someone it was her birthday....it never came.

          The jousting and other competition was great. It looked authen-
          tic. My son got caught up in all of the revelry and battles. Our
          knight almost pulled it off but, alas, bit the dust. Remember
          the individual pictures with the king? We were shown them...I
          thought they were part of the package...nope. Well I took the
          ones with the kids but not the other two. And then they came by
          with the group picture. Sorry. Next time.

          The Medieval Times show is a great non-Disney type thing to
          do if you want a break from the World. But watch out....the
          Brazillians also go there.

          If you want to avoid the Brazillian tour groups then make sure
          you do character breakfasts, eat in Epcot World Showcase Restau-
          rants, and do Hoop-Dee-Doo. We saw them almost everywhere.

          Well we got out of Medieval Times about 9 P.M. and headed back
          to the CBR. Once again we had a full day and after a dip in the
          pool we did nighty night.



          Tuesday, July 17

          We opted for TMK in the morning. We got in early and made reser-
          vations for the Diamond Horseshoe Jamboree. From there we went
          to "Pirates..." (kids really like this ride). The waiting times
          for the attractions aren't worth mentioning because the average
          is about 15 minutes. I'll be sure to mention any attractions
          that presented any problems.

          From "Pirates..." we took the train to Mickey's Starland. Are
          you into taking photos of characters? Then this is the place
          for you. In a span of 30 minutes we got photos of the kids with
          no less than a dozen characters. We also saw Mickey's house.
          Whoever thought of Mickey's Starland had the right idea in mind.

          We walked from Mickey's Starland to the Diamond Horshoe Jam-
          boree. I remembered some shortcuts through Liberty Square (be-
          hind some buildings). The show was pretty good. We also had
          lunch. We had a balcony table.

          It was now early afternoon. We decided to check out Typhoon
          Lagoon. We wanted to see how convenient it is to the monorail to
          the TTC and then to Epcot and then caught the bus to the CBR. It
          didn't save anytime.

          We changed and got ready for Typhoon Lagoon. It was only 5
          minutes from the CBR. We pulled in and it said "Sorry, Typhoon
          Lagoon is closed". I pulled up to the parking lot and because I
          had a Super Pass and I was a Resort Guest, I was allowed to go
          in.

          Now I am not a water park person but I was amazed at TL. The
          sight of that ship at the end of the Wave Pool was really some-
          thing....but that's nothing. Noone...I mean NOONE can imagine
          the force of the tidal wave that comes every 90 seconds. It was
          unbelievable. I couldn't get my kids outta that Wave Pool. When
          the tidal wave hour was over it was easy to convince them to
          come out.

          We headed for Castaway Creek. That is fun. I could spend all day
          floating around TL on a "Typhoon Lagoon Flotation Device". We
          went around the park twice.

          After CC we went back to the Wave Pool. It's really something.
          We stayed until the sky looked too ominous to remain. We got
          back to the van just in time before it started to pour. It was
          an enjoyable 4 hours. We planned to return and I was coming back
          with a loaded camera. I had to tape that place.

          We returned to the CBR and changed. We were planning on going to
          Epcot that night but weren't sure where we were going to eat.
          We saw an ad for a new family restaurant called The Farmer's
          Market. We went there to eat...buffet...pretty good.

          We got to Epcot about 6 P.M. and took in Imagination and Captain
          EO. I was a little disappointed in the 3D effects. We watched
          those jumping fountains and then headed towards the World Show-
          case. We walked around almost forgetting about Illuminations. We
          stopped in front of Japan and watched Illuminations. I expected
          more. MGM had spoiled me.

          After Illuminations we walked around checking all the restaurant
          menus because we wanted to check out the menus before making
          reservations when we came back to Epcot in a few days.

          We rode the Maelstrom in Norway again....we avoided the
          movie....Norway is hungry for tourists.

          It was close to closing time so we headed back to the van. We
          were in our room in 15 minutes. Along the way you can see The
          Swan and The Dolphin Hotels...ugly...simply grotesque.

          Another full day...another simple task to fall asleep.



          Wednesday, July 18

          We headed out for MGM first thing. We took the bus on this
          morning. When we arrived we made reservations for lunch at The
          Prime Time Cafe. From there the gang wanted to take in Star
          Tours. I sat this one out and taped the outside. Check out the
          Warehouse Restaurant, next to Star Tours. We didn't get a chance
          to eat there...it looked pretty neat.

          We weren't hungry when we got up but we decided we were hungry
          after Star Tours. We had breakfast at Hollywood & Vine.

          We then took in Superstar Television. I would have liked to
          have been picked for Cheers...came close. It's great fun and the
          people who run Superstar Television work real hard at making the
          show enjoyable for everyone.

          From there we went over to The Theater of the Stars to watch
          "Hollywood Hollywood!" It starred the Disney Girls and Mickey
          and friends...including Kermit and Miss Piggy. It was a very
          glitzy show which traced Hollywood musicals to a point.

          From there we took in some "streetmosphere" and met "Hannah" and
          "Chiefy".

          Omigod...lunchtime already?

          We hopped over to Prime Time. This restaurant turned out to be
          our favorite place to eat. We sat down and waited for "Mom".
          One of "Mom's" helpers was originally from New Hampshire and
          we talked a bit. I had the Pot Roast and a banana split (if
          you're wondering yes I gained some weight on this trip). A lot
          of people were not finishing their veggies this day so we had to
          make airplane noises while "Mom" flew in the veggies.

          While talking with Anne ("Mom's helper from Dover, New Hamp-
          shire) we found out that along with expanding MGM to include new
          attractions, there are new restaurants being planned too. One
          new restaurant is supposed to have a "car" theme to it with the
          waitresses on roller skates.

          After lunch we went out to Hollywood Blvd. and took in the
          "Streetmosphere" again. While sitting on one of the benches we
          were approached by a gossip columnist named "Barbara Bouffant".
          She gave us her card and starting talking to us. Soon we were
          joined by "Hanna" and "Willy". I don't know exactly what "Willy"
          does but he was so excited to meet my wife and asked for her
          autograph. He claimed to have seen all her movies. "Hannah" said
          she saw my wife's last movie at least forty times and said "You
          were wonderful in it."

          Soon it was time for the parade. Blair Underwood from L.A. Law
          was being honored in front of TGMR. The two streetmosphere nerds
          called him "Blair Underwear".

          Some of the best video I got on the trip was from the "streetmo-
          sphere" at MGM.

          We had been having such a good time we didn't realize it was
          almost 3:30. We headed back to the CBR via our bus to relax for
          awhile, charge the battery, and maybe take a quick dip. We had
          some major league T-storms that afternoon so it was not to be a
          day in the pool.

          We decided to watch some of the video I had taped, charge the
          battery, and take a nap while the rainstorms passed. After a
          nice relaxing nap we returned to MGM around 6:30. We took in
          "Here Come the Muppets" again. It's eerie to hear Jim Hensen's
          voice. By the way, so far the Muppets are not taking over WDW
          like we all thought. They are a small part of MGM today...they
          may become more visible as MGM grows.

          We then decided we'd eat before it got too late. We ate at the
          Soundstage Restaurant restaurant which is made to look like
          the set of "Big Business". It's sort of a fast food restau-
          rant although the food tasted better than your basic fast food
          establishment.

          When we came out of the restaurant we saw Roger Rabbit and Chip
          & Dale who were very accommodating for pictures and autographs.

          I think it was around 8:30 or maybe even 9:00 at this time. We
          poked through some shops looking at all the interesting mementos
          one could pick up from MGM.

          We also looked through the shop right outside the Animation
          Tour. Check out the prices on those original cartoon cells.

          At about this time it's close to 10 P.M. and there was practi-
          cally nobody at TGMR so we walked over to the ride. Before going
          in we checked out all the cement autographs and seeing whose
          footprints and handprints had already made their appearance.
          The toughest one to make out was one that said, "May the force
          be with you!". The handwriting was terrible. I had to ask the
          castmember at TGMR who that was. It was George Lucas........he
          has the handwriting of a doctor.

          We went into TGMR and we thought we had gone into the left side
          but we ended up going into the Western ride. Oh yeah, yet an-
          other Brazillian story. Castmembers ask, "How many in your
          party?" so you won't be split up. Our neighbors from Brazil
          didn't like to be split up. If there were 9 together they all
          wanted to be in the same seat. Once placed they would try to
          change their seats and would get up after the castmembers
          thought that all the riders were seated. During this partic-
          ular visit to TGMR one castmember really came close to the edge
          as far as her temper goes. She politely but firmly asked that
          these people wait for the next car if they could not all fit on
          this one. I felt bad for her.

          This ride was different from the other times we had gone on it.
          I won't tell you what was different except that you never know
          when "Alien" will pop out at you. This ride is real enjoyable.
          This time around I was closer to the Margaret Hamilton figure
          and got a good shot of the audio-animatron.

          Movie buffs will like the finale to this ride.

          Okay gang it's now about 10:30 and I'm determined to find myself
          a good spot to tape "Sorcery in the Sky" at 11. I planted myself
          directly in front of TGMR (actually about 200 feet back because
          they will not let the crowd get too close to the attraction
          during the fireworks because it is low ceiling fireworks and
          some of it spills over in front of the theater) and waited. Over
          my right shoulder I could hear and see the last 15 minutes of
          "Diamond Double Cross".

          Finally I heard Vincent Price's voice introducing "Sorcery
          in the Sky" and then it began. This 15 minute extravaganza is
          exhilarating because of the wrking trinity of lights, fireworks,
          and music. The tribute to Fantasia at the end is thrilling.
          Don't miss it.

          We immediately headed over to the Theater of the Stars to watch
          the final performance that day of "Diamond Double Cross." Even
          at 11:30 P.M. the performers were putting out like it was their
          first show if the day...topnotch.

          The show ended at 11:55 and we headed to the exits. On the way
          out my son used some of his Disney Dollars to get an MGM visor
          with blinking lights.

          The bus terminal was more crowded than usual but within 15
          minutes we were on a bus and before you knew it we were back
          at the CBR. Everyone fell asleep rather quickly and I hooked
          up the camera to the TV to check out my work for the evening. I
          didn't get to sleep until 2:00 A.M. We planned to start the day
          at Typhoon Lagoon in the morning so I knew I could sleep a bit
          longer in the morning.



          Thursday, July 19

          We all got up around 8:30. After our morning showers we headed
          over to Port Royale for breakfast and then to Typhoon Lagoon.
          I planned on spending half the day videotaping and the other
          half splashing about. Unfortunately many of the lockers weren't
          working so I spent most the day taping the Wave Pool, Castaway
          Creek, Shark Reef, and Humunga Cowabunga. I taped the kids in
          the Wave Pool and in Castaway Creek. At one point I climbed up
          the mountain and across a rope bridge to get close to the ship.
          Phew! was I high up. After a couple of hours in TL we decided to
          return to the CBR and wash up. Here's a tip....you want to cool
          off at TL? Try the shaved ice....refreshing.

          We got back to the CBR to find that the room hadn't been cleaned
          yet. It was around 2 P.M. I took a walk over to the Custom House
          to cash a Traveler's Cheque while the rest of the family spent
          some time in the pool.

          When I came back to the pool someone yelled out "Hey COEM!!?!"
          That was the name of my DEC softball team. It was a player from
          a team back in 1986. We talked about the drive down and stuff.
          He had just arrived and was asking for some info on the parks.
          We chatted for awhile and then I headed back to the room.

          While getting dressed we watched the news on the TV. The big
          news was that a woman was injured at MGM this day. Apparently
          some European woman had tried to retrieve a bag or something
          from a moving tram and when she tried to get off the moving
          (parking lot) tram, she had fallen and hit her head. I guess she
          was hurt pretty bad.

          We took off in the van and headed to the Grand Floridian. I
          wanted to see this place and since we were heading to TMK anyway
          I figured we'd park in TGF lot and take the monorail.

          You probably want to be making six figures before considering
          staying here. I guess the big thing is "S-E-R-V-I-C-E" for
          this hotel. It's pretty impressive walking through the lobby.
          I think I'd consider spending one night there just for the
          experience. I sort of look at this hotel the same way I looked
          at The Contemporary Resort back in 1975.

          We took the monorail to TMK. Once in we took the Horse Trolley
          to the Castle forefront. Hmm...we hadn't eaten since breakfast.
          We headed over to Liberty Tavern. The menu really didn't look
          too inviting. We ended up eating at the Columbia Harbor House
          which is down the road from The Haunted Mansion. I have some
          distressing news about this restaurant....but that's for later
          on in this report.

          After supper the kids wanted to take in the Haunted Mansion. My
          wife decided to sit this one out so I gave her the camera and
          off we went. Once more the wait was about 15 minutes.

          Regarding the Haunted Mansion, again I have to comment that I
          really feel they "downgraded" the graveyard scene. The scene
          to the left of your car after the signing heads seemed to have
          been cut down a bit. Does anyone who visited WDW back in the
          early and mid 70's remember it? I still think the best part
          of The Haunted Mansion is the long corridor with the floating
          candelabra.

          The attraction needs something...I don't know what but it's
          beginning to show some age, especially the sound system.

          We headed to FrontierLand and took in Country Bear Hoedown. The
          first time around I didn't have my camera. We sat in the last
          row this time and I taped it. It came out okay but I wish I had
          brought my camera the first time around when we were only 5 rows
          back.

          Outside the Mile Long Bar we witnessed a family potty training a
          little boy...with potty chair and all. It made me thankful I had
          waited until now to return to WDW with the kids.

          It's tough to pass that shooting gallery withing trying to knock
          off a buzzard or two. My son and I emptied a couple of rounds.
          The toughest target to shoot is that moving train.

          Well it's about 8:42 and the kids are thinking about Big Thun-
          der Mountain Railroad. I'm not but they are. We got up to it
          and they got in line. I figured they'd get through the ride
          in 20 minutes. My wife minded the camera while I strolled to
          AdventureLand to Aloha Isle for a Dole Whip. I was thirsty.

          The kids came off BTMR just as I had finished my Dole Whip.
          We had to move fast because it was after 9 and the Electrical
          Light Parade had already begun. The parade finished up to the
          left of BTMRR and we didn't want to get caught. We went over to
          "Pirates..." and walked right in for another adventure. We could
          hear the parade as we walked through the Caribbean Plaza. It's
          true that the attractions are extremely light during the parade.

          After Pirates we walked over to Main Street U.S.A. I had
          promised the kids some Ice Cream and The Plaza Restaurant makes
          the best Sundaes in TMK. We barely got in there. Most of the
          restaurants started to close at 10 and we got in around 9:45.
          When the fireworks started outside we soon were witness to fire-
          works inside. If you are familiar with the Plaza Restaurant you
          know that there is a line to get in. Once a table is freed up
          another party is brought in. At 10 P.M. they close the restau-
          rant. However this particular evening there was this guy who
          was very adamant about eating in this restaurant and would not
          take no for an answer. He practically pushed his way into the
          restaturant. He got the Restaurant Manager very upset. In no
          way should that guy have spoken to her like he did...she was
          shaken up a bit. When she went back into the kitchen all the
          busboys and other waitresses were poking their heads out to see
          this jerk. Practically everyone in the restaurant was aware of
          what happened. She got even by making them wait...and wait they
          did. I could have sworn the busboys were instructed to wait 15
          minutes before cleaning off any table. The guy's wife was em-
          barrassed. They were finally seated but their meal wasn't too
          enjoyable. There was a lot of tension at the table. While they
          were there some park security came in. They didn't do anything
          but asked about what happened.

          While we were there something interesting happened to us. Just
          before we were about to dig in to our ice cream our waitress
          looked at my wife's glass and said, "You can't have that", and
          snatched the glass off the table and immediately went to the
          kitchen.

          She came back with a new glass and explained that my wife's
          glass had a chip on it and that she (our waitress) would be
          reprimanded for serving food on chipped dinnerware. She did not
          charge us for that ice cream because of this.

          We left The Plaza Restaurant and headed towards TomorrowLand.
          When we got there we realized we had left that pesky ol' back-
          pack back at the restaurant. I ran back and got it.

          We took in Dreamflight and walked through Space Mountain before
          taking a spin on The Wedway People Mover.

          Fatigue started to set in. We headed to the monorail and got off
          at TGF, hopped in the car, and sped off to the CBR. We hit the
          sack rather late again.



          Friday, July 20

          This is Universal Studios Day. After breakfast at Port Royale
          we headed out. The kids needed some film for their cameras
          so we stopped off at a K-Mart along the way...same prices as
          N.H.....but for the tax. This K-Mart was located as you head
          towards the back entrance to Universal Studios off I-4. The
          front entrance is on International Drive I think. I could be
          wrong.

          We paid $3.00 to park, then a tram picked us up and dropped us
          off at the front gate. Each ticket window had a sign which read
          NOT OPERATING TODAY:KONGFRONTATION, JAWS, EARTHQUAKE. Whaaa????
          Some people read that and turned right around and left. We
          decided that since we were there we'd take a shot...they were
          giving out complimentary tickets anyway and they said that Jaws
          may be up sometime during the day.

          We did the Nickelodeon tour first...so-so. We then walked around
          the park to get our bearings. Unlike any of the Disney parks
          there is no "family type" atmosphere. It's sort of cold and
          plastic. We went into the Hanna-Barbera store and I met George
          Jetson. I think he liked my brand new "Jetsons" shirt. There
          were some animation games and activities there which kept us
          amused for awhile. There is a Flintstones car there for pho-
          tographs.

          We walked outside and boy were the lines long...to the tune of 2
          hours. I figured we'd walk around and see what was what before
          determining what to go in. I think the Hanna-Barbera ride is
          similar to Star Tours.

          Universal has it's own "streetmosphere". We ran into Mae West,
          The Ghostbusters, Laurel & Hardy, Frankenstein's Monster, and
          The Marx Bros. Oh yeah, I also ran into Beetlejuice. Some of
          these people were pretty good at their craft.

          We took in the Murder She Wrote Post-Production Attraction in
          which the audience gets to put their own finishing touch to an
          episode. My wife, daughter, and I got to do some sound effects.
          The last portion of this attraction is a riot. With time running
          out the sound editor, with toilet paper coming out of his shoes,
          panicks as he tries to meet the deadline. This was enjoyable.

          We also took in the "Phantom of the Opera Horror Make-up Show".
          I expected more from this show. Remember Six-Bits from Hoop-
          Dee-Doo? The same guy hosted this show. We saw some examples of
          horror makeup, film clips, a guy in a gorilla suit, and saw the
          co-host change into a fly like Jeff Goldblum but it really fell
          short of expectations.

          We came out of there and watched a scene from a TV pilot being
          filmed. The name of the show is called "Anything Can Happen".
          I'll be curious to see if it shows up on TV in the Fall.

          We walked over to The Bates Motel and grabbed a bite at THE HARD
          ROCK CAFE WHERE YOU HAVE TO TALK LIKE THIS IF YOU WANT SOMEONE
          TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

          My daughter got a Hard Rock Cafe shirt before we left and when
          we came out we found that the Alfred Hitchcock attraction was
          having problems and were advised that it may go down at any
          time...it did. The Ghostbusters attraction seemed to have no
          line. You guessed it. THAT WENT DOWN! That left the animal show,
          Hanna-Barbera, and E.T. as the big attractions. E.T. was running
          over 2 hours by this time. It's a real popular attraction. It
          may be wise to head over to E.T. first when you arrive at the
          park. I was very upset. We walked around the rear of the park
          where the Back to the Future attraction is being built. They had
          a Back to the Future souvenir shop open for business right next
          to the construction site.

          We saw the set of "Swamp Thing" and Amity (from Jaws). We looked
          at the boneyard of props and then got some postcards to write
          home and tell everyone how Universal was still not ready.

          We went to the parking lot and noticed how a lot of people had
          also left early. While buying postcards we talked with one of
          the employees. She sayed that it's hard to work there when an
          attraction breaks down because the visitors get grumpy and feel
          they've been ripped off....uh huh!

          Well it was late afternoon so I popped over to International
          Drive and pulled into The Wizard's House. We spent about an hour
          there and then just drove around to see how much of this roadway
          had changed in 14 years. It seemed so much more congested.

          We returned to the CBR and spent some time in the Pool and did
          some laundry. Afterwards we went over to Port Royale and had
          some pizza before coming back to the room and checking out the
          day's video. If I had known what kind of a day it was going
          to be I would have opted to go to the Kennedy Space Center
          instead of Universal Studios. If you are going within the next
          few months you may want to call to see what's operating...THEN
          DON'T GO!.



          Saturday, July 21

          We had been delinquent in sending out some postcards so we wrote
          them out just before leaving for Epcot. We hit Epcot about 9:15.
          I felt that we should have a nice dinner in one of the countries
          so we took a vote to see where we wanted to eat. Mexico and
          Italy ended up in a dead heat. I did something that absolutely
          floored everyone, especially my wife.

          We went in to Earth Station and I made reservations in Italy
          for lunch. Then without blinking an eye I made reservations in
          Mexico for a late dinner. My wife didn't believe what I did.
          "Hey," I said, "We're running out of time and we couldn't make
          up our mind!" We were also way under budget which helped.

          From there we went through The Living Seas, The Land (Kitchen
          Kabaret), and then went over to Imagination to play with the
          fountains. All this took most of the morning. We went into World
          Showcase and decided to take a double-decker bus to Italy.

          Lunch was great. I had the most unusual lunch since I was the
          only one who ordered the calamari (squid). Being a cook myself I
          talked recipes with the waiter.

          After lunch we strolled over to the American Adventure. We
          enjoyed listening to The Voices of Liberty so much that we ended
          up buying a tape to listen to on the drive home. The singers
          sound exactly like those on the cassette.

          The Dolphin and Swan are now open and you can actually walk to
          either hotel via International Gateway near France...I discov-
          ered that today.

          It was early afternoon and getting hot. We headed back to the
          CBR for some pool time. We did some laundry and charged the
          battery and returned back to Epcot in late afternoon.

          We walked around doing various things in Future World before
          strolling over to Mexico. Our table was right at the rail up
          front. The food was okay but I think we would have enjoyed the
          Mitsukoshi Restaurant in Japan even moreso. But hey...that's for
          next time.

          After we had dinner my wife and the kids were going over to
          China to get a souvenir for a friend. I told them to meet me at
          the Port of Entry area because I wanted to get a good spot to
          tape Illuminations. Bad idea. When I got there I was shocked
          to see EVERY *&^%$#@!*&^%$#@ BRAZILLIAN TOUR GROUP THERE.
          There were red shirts, yellow, shirts, green shirts, orange
          shirts....ARRRGHH!.

          Well I got a spot and soon the rest of the family showed up.
          they had the same reaction. One of our Brazillian neighbors got
          a little rambunctious and shoved my wife while he tried to get
          a good spot to watch Illuminations. I poked him on the shoulder
          and said, "Hey pal there's plenty of room for everyone. Take
          it easy." His associate, looking to calm me down, apologized
          in slow, broken, English. I was ticked because it was too late
          to find another spot and I had to endure their singing while
          waiting for Illuminations to begin.

          I didn't know what was to happen next. We were all told to
          sit down because of where we were. I'm thinking, "Huh!? How
          am I gonna tape if I'm sitting down?" Our southern neighbors
          were being told in their native tongue to sit down by an Epcot
          employee. The same employee was speaking to me in the same
          tongue. I turned and said, "You can speak in English to me!".

          Illuminations started and I had a heck of a time trying to tape
          it. I tried to get on one knee but an Epcot employee told me I'd
          have to stay down. Needless to say, I was not a happy camper
          that evening. I should have set up shop near China. Please
          remember this episode when you visit Epcot and stay away from
          that area when it's time for Illuminations.

          After Illuminations we went over to get that souvenir for a
          friend. From there we slowly strolled out of Epcot. It was our
          last evening there.



          Sunday, July 22

          MGM was our destination for this, our last full day in Orlando.
          We skipped breakfast and went right to the park. When we got
          there we decided that we should think about when and where
          we'd eat lunch. The Brown Derby didn't seem to have anything
          interesting on the menu. We talked it over and decided, what the
          heck, Prime Time Cafe again. The kids went to Star Tours while
          my wife and I went over to make reservations. I would have also
          liked to have gone to the Warehouse Restaurant but it's good to
          leave something to look forward to for the next visit. We got
          over to Star Tours and when the kids came out they dragged me
          back in with them to take another trip to Endor. Again, no line.

          After Star Tours we started over to the Animation Tour. Along
          the way we ran into Chip & Dale, Mickey, and Pluto. Snap, Snap,
          Snap! More photos.

          Don't miss the Animation Tour. Robin Williams is superb...he'll
          crack you up. Please note you cannot videotape the studio por-
          tion of this tour. Tape the Robin Williams and Walter Cronkite
          film at the beginning. You'll regret it if you don't. If you're
          wondering....yes I taped it. By the way, the studio operates 7
          days a week so you'll see animators there any day you go.

          After that tour we headed over to see the Teenage Mutant Ninja
          Turtles again. Along the way we found out that a "Let's Make
          a Deal" taping was about to start so we took that in. Hey they
          were giving out real prizes including CD Players. Now I know why
          that guy was walking down Hollywood Blvd. carrying a CD player.
          Yes folks, Let's Make a Deal is taped at MGM Studios in Orlando,
          Florida. I estimated prizes for that show totaled about $5K.

          We saw TMNT after that. After those heroes in a half-shell
          we went over for lunch at Prime Time. This time I tried the
          meatloaf. Good stuff. My son got "Mom" to make my wife sit in
          the corner with no TV.

          After lunch we took in some more "streetmosphere". There were
          some different people on this day. When they did "the chase"
          I knew where they'd end up. I scurried over to the lockers and
          stood my ground. As each one passed by they looked straight in
          the camera and said something. It was great.

          We bid farewell to MGM and went back to the CBR to charge the
          battery, take a dip, and rest up a bit for that final evening.
          Remember...we usually didn't get to sleep until 1 A.M. and we
          were usually up around 6:30 A.M. so some mid-day shut eye when
          the crowds were heavy and the sun hot, was a necessity.

          We arrived at TMK a little after 5 P.M. We had decided to finish
          up our last day at this park....it's a tough decision to make,
          but you can only be in one park at a time.

          We got there and I thought that it was now time for the kids
          to know all about Walt Disney. We took in The Walt Disney story
          and they learned about the man who started everything. I think
          they were able to really appreciate his efforts after enjoying
          the parks and then seeing this film instead of vice versa. They
          talked about afterwards. By the way, you Zorro fans can rest
          assured that Zorro's cape is indeed in the lobby of The Walt
          Disney Story.

          We took a ride to Cinderella's castle in a 1903 automobile.
          From there we went to FrontierLand to check on that Silversmith
          shop again for some rings. It was around this point in the trip
          that I began to show symptoms of PWDWVD (Post-WDW-Vacation-
          Depression). We did some more shopping in FrontierLand before
          hitting the Shooting Gallery for the last time.

          From their we went to FrontierLand and the kids used some Disney
          Dollars to get some wooden parrots at one of the shops. While
          everyone shopped I sat down and watched the crowds go by and
          took it all in. As people walked by I started to place them in
          one of two categories. There were those people who were on the
          front end of their vacation and those who were on the tail end.
          I knew where we were.

          My wife could sense my mood and said, "Hey, you can't leave
          without having at least one Monte Christo sandwich!" We hadn't
          eaten since Prime Time so we headed over to the Columbia Harvest
          House, the only place in TMK which had Monte Christo's on the
          menu.

          We got there and I was feeling a little better until...

          ...........I didn't see Monte Christo sandwiches on the menu. I
          asked the cashier and she said, "Oh we don't carry them anymore.
          We changed the menu three weeks ago."

          When I was revived the first time I asked, "Does any restaurant
          carry these sandwiches?"

          You know the crack of thunder you hear in a movie when a dra-
          matic moment comes? Well the thunder occured one nanosecond
          after I heard the answer to that question.

          PWDWVD was really starting to cook.

          My wife made a desparate move. She suggested we go to the Pin-
          nocchio Village Haus restaurant. Her quick thinking had immedi-
          ately focused on a favorite MK restaurant of mine from our last
          visit 14 years ago.

          It was a small remission, but a remission nontheless and I
          enjoyed what was to be my last MK meal there.

          Along the way I took some dusk/sunset videos of BTMR and the
          Castle.

          While in FantasyLand the kids rode the Carousel. I needed some-
          thing to offset the oncoming depression so while in the "Toy
          Shop" I purchased two CD's with Disney Music from movies and TV.

          We then took in "Magic Journeys" one more time.

          After that my wife and kids wanted to go through "Small World"
          one more time. I told them I'd meet them under the large canopy
          around the corner from the Pinocchio Village Haus. I wanted to
          watch "Fantasy in the Sky" from behind the castle. If you want
          to get away from the crowds it is the best place to watch the
          show. Of corse this means you look away from the castle and also
          don't hear the music.

          While waiting for the rest of the troops I updated my trip book.
          The fireworks from this point in the park seemed bigger and
          louder. I taped it since I had tape and battery left.

          We then did Snow White for the final time and then headed back
          to Liberty Square. We wanted to watch the Electrical Light
          Parade one more time. We stood outside the Hall of Presidents
          for the 11 P.M. show. I had a good spot along the wall. I was up
          high and taped the whole parade.

          After the parade we went over for one last ride on BTMR. It was
          now late...it was close to midnight. We left BTMR and walked
          towards FrontierLand and AdventureLand. We came across the
          parrot out in front of Pirates of the Caribbean. It was eerie.
          the park was really deserted but Pirates was open. We headed
          into Pirates. We were to be the last one's on the ride...we
          had it to ourselves. When we stepped into the boat I checked my
          watch...12:04 A.M.

          While riding through this, our final ride, it hit me that it
          was also our first attraction some 14 days before. We came out
          of the ride and there was absolutely noone around. We headed
          towards the Hub where Main Street meets Cinderella's Castle.
          Along the way I'd stop and get more footage of the castle at
          night. Deep depression. We walked down Main Street...I mean in
          the middle taking it all in.

          I started to walk slower...slower than everyone else. They were
          ahead of me. We walked past "The Walt Disney Story" and while
          the rest of the family headed for the exit I stopped, turned
          around, gazed up Main Street U.S.A., then turned towards The
          Walt Disney Story and said, "Thanks for a great time Walt". I
          turned and left. I didn't look back after that.

          Needless to say, it was a very quiet and solemn ride back to the
          CBR.



          Monday, July 23

          We got up rather early and began packing up. I had to adjust
          a seat in the van to give me more room to pack everything. I
          wanted to check out in person rather than do an express check-
          out.

          We drove over to the Custom House and I checked out. From there
          we drove to Port Royale to have our last Disney meal.

          From Old Port Royale we headed to the Shopping Village to pick
          up some things we had been putting off. Putting off buying stuff
          before you leave is dangerous because the inventory down there
          goes real fast. We wanted to get a book on WDW and he couldn't
          find it in the Village Shoppiing Plaza just a few days after we
          had seen tons of them. We ended up getting one at The Hilton. We
          got some last minute items. I couldn't make up my mind on some
          shirts...got 'em all.

          Oh yeah, we purchased a cookbook that contains recipes for
          the most requested meals at WDW.......yep...Monte Christo is
          included.

          We then left Orlando and headed North on I-4 and eventually
          I-95. We took a detour a bit up the road and headed East to
          stop off in St. Augustine. While there we visited a Ripley's
          Believe It or Not Museum. From there we drove to Jacksonville
          and secured a room for the night.



          Tuesday, July 24

          We took off early this day and just before leaving Florida we
          stopped off at a grocery and stocked up our cooler with munchies
          and drinks for the long ride home. While in the parking lot I
          struck up a conversation with a retiree from Lowell, Mass. He
          said Florida is a great place to live if you don't have to work.
          Gee, I thought any place is a great place to live if you don't
          have to work.

          Our next stop was South of the Border in South Carolina. I
          wanted to tape some of the sights there and wanted to get a
          shirt also.

          We left SOB and kept on going until we hit Roanoke Rapids, Vir-
          ginia. We stayed at the Interstate Inn that night. We decided
          we'd make an effort to get home be the next night. I told every-
          one we'd have to get up early.



          Wednesday, July 25th

          We got up real early and headed out on I-95 around 4:45 A.M. Are
          you ready for this? While driving through Maryland we listened
          to the Voices of Liberty cassette. I remarked how I would have
          liked to have seen The American Adventure one more time. I also
          said that we had done so well moneywise that we could have swung
          1 or 2 more days at the Caribbean but that I had thought back
          then that everyone was anxious to get home. The kids and my
          wife said, "We would have stayed!!?" I'll regret not vocalizing
          my thoughts a day or two before leaving WDW. Remember I had
          mentioned that I should have gotten a 6-day Super Pass? I wish I
          had.

          Anyway, we hit New Hampshire around 7 P.M. that night. I pulled
          into my sister's driveway at 7:30. She was leaving for Orlando
          the next morning and I had wanted to warn her about Universal
          Studios.

          After an hour or so of post trip conversation we left and drove
          to the Old Homestead...pulled in about 9 P.M.

          Our trip was over.

          Some observations and points which I've learned from this trip
          which may be helpful and informative to others:

          o  The information I got from the conference was invaluable.

          o  Stay on Disney property if possible.

          o  The Caribbean Beach Resort Hotel is the most convenient of
             the on property hotels.

          o  Going to the parks between 8-12 in the morning and 5-11 P.M.
             gives you the best chance at missing long lines.

          o  Summertime visiting offers you longer hours and going to the
             parks in the hours mentioned above lets you avoid the heat as
             well as the crowds.

          o  The best deals are the Super Passes (5 and 6 day).

          o  You can avoid the Brazillian tour groups early in the day,
             late in the day, at Hoop-Dee-Doo, character breakfasts, and
             at all the better WDW restaurants.

          o  It's worth taking your videocamera with you all the
             time...you never know what you'll miss if you don't.

          o  Driving down to Fla. is fun.

          o  Bring lots of money!

          o  Visits to this resort should be spaced at least 2 years apart
             to give Disney time to add new things and give you time to
             save $$$$.

          o  Birnbaum is second only to this conference regarding informa-
             tion.

          o  You can visit WDW, enjoy the food, and lose weight. My wife
             did.

          o  When you visit Epcot Center visit World Showcase FIRST and
             then work your way back to Future World.

          o  Buy most of your souvenirs at the Disney Shopping Village so
             you can use your MKC card.

          o  If you drive then park your car at The Contemporary, The
             Polynesian, or the Grand Floridian and take the monorail in
             instead of parking in the lot serviced by trams.

          o  Better yet....take the busses if you stay on the property.

          o  Bring as little as possible with you to Typhoon Lagoon. The
             lockers are small.

          o  Make restaurant reservations first thing in the morning
             regardless of which theme park you visit. Don't wait.

          o  Always go to the left.

          o  Plan on dining in theme park restaurants no later than 9 P.M.

          o  Purchase your film and video tape prior to leaving on your
             trip.

          o  Make lists.

          o  Go for as long a stay as you can.

          o  If you're driving down plan on going a month or two before an
             oil-rich Arab nation is invaded....to avoid high gas prices.

          Mike

183.32Last Week of AugustAKOV12::ISRAELITEWed Sep 05 1990 15:35114
                          August 25 - September 1
    
    
    Our plan was to go when the crowds would be small.  Everyone told us
    this was the week and they were right.  We also were told it would be
    very hot:  right on both counts.  
    
    This trip report will be shorter than the last one.  I will break it up
    into several general categories, followed by an overall impression.
    
    Background
    
    My family  (wife, 9 year old and 6 year old) had been to WDW about 18
    months ago.  The youngest child was a little too young then and didn't
    remember a whole lot.  At that time we bought a timeshare at Vistana,
    so this was our first trip back.  
    
    The Parks
    
    We were there approximately 6 days, if you deduct the day we arrived
    and the day we left.  Roughly speaking, we divided our time this way:
    
    MGM - 1.5 days
    EPCOT - 1 day
    TMK - 1 day
    Typhoon Lagoon - 1.5 days
    
    The other day represents the afternoons we spent at Vistana by the pool
    or recovering.
    
    MGM - We all really like this alot.  We did almost everything there was
    to do, from Star Tours to being a 'contestant' on Let's Make a Deal. 
    My kids really liked the Indiana Jones stunt show, but they enjoyed
    just about everything.  We even did a family Dick Tracy Screen Test. 
    Usually they pick people from different families (to max out the number
    of tapes they sell), but we managed to get a family video out of it
    (for the nominal price of $24.95).
    
    This is a typical Disney experience.  It is clean, well run, and there
    is a lot to do.  We were able to get through the the whole thing
    because there were no (NO) lines.  The only thing we waited for was
    (suprisingly) was the animation tour, but even that was only for the
    next show.  
    
    For the most part, I think this park would not be that interesting for
    younger children -- no younger than 6 years old.  There are a few
    things, like the Muppets Show, but for the most part, the attractions
    are too sophisticated, scary, or rely on some knowledge and/or interest
    in old movies or TV shows.
    
    EPCOT - I will limit my comments here to the attraction in which Body
    Wars is shown.  This, in my opinion, is the best single attraction in
    the entire Disney complex.  We spent something like 2.5 hours and still
    hadn't done all that there is to do.  The Body Wars 'ride' is great. 
    But the best thing is a presentation which illustrates how the brain of
    a 12 year old works.  It was extrememly well done.  My general attitude
    about EPCOT is that most of the presentation technology is not state
    the art, but this place is.  Go see it!!  
    
    My children actually like EPCOT better then TMK (I do also).  The only
    area we still haven't seen is Horizons.  Next time we will go there and
    spend some time in the international area.
    
    We were able to stay for the laser/fireworks show.  It was impressive.  
    
    Everything was working and, as at MGM, there were not lines. 
    
    TMK - We didn't do a whole lot here. This is partially because my wife
    became ill after going on Thunder Mountain and I had TERRIBLE allergy
    problems.  We saw the show at Mickey's Starland, which was enjoyable,
    and went on a few rides in Fantasy Land.  The problem is that the rides
    are soooo low tech.  When you compare the Mr. Toad ride Body Wars,
    Toad loses badly. The funny thing about this is that TMK was the most
    crowded of the three parks.  20 Thousand Leagues Under the Sea is
    closed for renovation. 
    
    Typhoon Lagoon - We loved this place and spent far more time here than
    we should have.  It was very relaxing.  Some advice... you really don't
    need to rent a tube unless you want to ride it in the wave pool.  We
    got there early in the morning so we were able to find chairs.  The
    truth is we never used them.  We were either floating around the place
    or going on water slides.  
    
    The Family raft trip is extremely short and not worth the wait.  The
    others are pretty good.  The water slides are fun.  My son (9) went on the
    Humonga Kowabunga slide (30 mph...).  I climbed to the top and had no
    motivation to ride down, so I climbed back down.  
    
    
    Food - Three comments here.  First, we had Mexican food at a place
    called TEX MEX, which is near Disney Village.  Just go past the
    Crossroads shopping center to the next light, and take a right.  The
    food was terrific and inexpensive.
    
    The Olive Garden (Italian) was okay also.
    
    In MGM we ate in the Prime Time Cafe. This was fun. The decor is
    interesting, the amibiance amusing, and the food was good.  Make
    reservations when you arrive in the park.
    
    Vistana - Fine as usual.
    
    Money - We spent a lot on this trip.  My 69.99 car cost 130.  Our
    Disney Ticket were about 400.  We spent another 500 on food, junk, gas,
    etc. Then we have our airfare and the condo.  I choose not to think
    about this.  Even though we spent alot we did have a terrific time.  
    
    Thanks for all of your advice.
    
    LI
    
    All in all we had an extremely enjoyable trip.  The heat wasn't great,
    but the lack of people more than made up for it.  We'll probalby go
    back in two more years for the next round.  
183.33Possible DECwindows warningASABET::KUMPELSet DEC/TLA=JDI .... JUST DO IT!!!!!!Thu Sep 13 1990 16:037
    The next reply (hopefully no gets between) will contain a trip report
    of more than 200 lines. I realize that long notes messes up windows but
    not knowing how long is long I am putting this warning in.
    
    Bill
    
    Who can participate again without reprisals
183.34Kumpel 8/14-8/23ASABET::KUMPELdisney DISney DISNEYThu Sep 13 1990 16:13204
Better to be a little late then not at all. Beside I miss being able to reply
because I haven't filed my trip report.:=):=} Well here goes:

Who: Pat(wife),Amy(11),Emily(6) and myself(age left blank on purpose)
When: August 14-23,1990
Where: Caribbean Beach Resort (Jamaica)
Why: Because, and our annual passport expired on 8/27 so why not

   Since this was our 5th trip in the last 4 1/2 years and the 3rd in the last
15 months we took a lot of liberty in what we wanted to see and what we could
skip. First of all let me state that is was hot and humid the whole time and 
that this was the most crowded of all our trips. We usually go more "off-season"
Needless to say this figured into what we did each day.

8-14: Plane (Eastern, I know but the rates were the best when we booked) leaves
      Logan "on time" and arrives into Atlanta as scheduled. Here is where we 
      had a problem. Seems connecting flight was canceled so instead of leaving
      at 11:30 now scheduled for 12:30 across the airport. Take subway to new 
      terminal and begin to wait. BUT, I overhear the family next to us talking
      and he was just told that although he was scheduled for the 12:30 flight
      the 11:30 is not full and he can take that one. Turns out that they 
      "found" another plane in the last 10 minutes and the 11:30 will leave a 
      little late. Mind you,this was no announcement or posting on the board. So
      back we go. ( I hate Eastern) Arrive in Orlando almost a hour late.(1:30) 
      Messed up my plans to be in the park by 2:00. 

      Car rental(National) is no problem. Collect luggage and family and off
      we go. Make one stop at Goodings Market for the essentials like cooler,
      milk,juice,goodies and other refreshments for the room. At CBR there are
      no parking lot views left so they upgrade to garden view. Because of the
      heat we wait until 4:30 to go to Epcot. Place is crowded. The first time
      I've been this late in the afternoon to Epcot and not walked right into
      Spaceship Earth. Wait is 10 minutes (I know I'm spoiled) and this is one
      of the shortest of the whole time. From there we go to Norway then Mexico
      for the ride and supper at the San Angel Inn. Food is ok but not spicy 
      enough for me. Kids loved their meals. I would have preferred the Cantina
      but the daily afternoon rain shower was taking place. Florida is a wonder-
      full place in that regard. You could bet your paycheck that it will rain
      at least 5 times a week between 4-7 p.m. After dinner we hit Energy,
      Horizens,Wonders of Life except for Body Wars,which had at 75 minute 
      wait and Communicore East before leaving around 9. We left early because
      we wanted to do MGM first thing the next day. We did however get to watch
      the fireworks at MGM from our room which happened to face that way. We 
      watched them every night we were in our room at 11:00. We could even hear
      the announcer and music.

8-15: Were at MGM when the gates open. Did Star Tours (GREAT "ride" the effects
      are incredible),Superstar TV (Emily is selected to be Ginger on the 
      Gilligan's Island skit), Great Movie Ride by 9:15. Take in Indiana Jones
      and decide to try some place cool. A good place was the Lets Make A Deal
      studio. Pat was selected as a trader so we had to stay and watch the
      "taping" and see if she wins anything. Unfortunately she is not selected
      during the show. People won some good prizes though. Cameras,bike,CD 
      players and the person who spun the wheel at the end missed a Disney
      cruise be 2 slots. (Disney pays taxes on winnings up to 600.00 after that
      your on your own). By now, 11:30, its hot and crowded. Instead of waiting
      until 1:30 for Prime Time reservations we try the Brown Derby. Walk right
      in and seated in minutes. After lunch we call it quits and go back to 
      the pool. Back to Epcot at 5:00 and did Living Seas,Land (ride,Kitchen
      Kabaret and Farmers Market for dinner),Imagination,Communicore West and of
      course Illuminations. Managed to get back in time to watch MGM fireworks.

8-16: Break Day. This is what we call a day to prepare for the next one. 
      Breakfast at Port Royal. I love the buffet at the Chinese place. 1 adult 
      and 1 childrens feeds 4,especially if the kids had cereal in the room 
      before. Then to Sea World (free tickets from last year) by 10:30. Do the
      entire park by 3:00. Return to the pool. Have supper in the room. (see 
      below) then wander over to the shopping village. Kids asleep by 9:30
      and my wife and I wander down to the lagoon to watch Epcot fireworks
      (although you can't see the lasers you can see most of the fireworks
      from the CBR) then back to the room and watch MGM's.

8-17: Friday. Busiest day of the trip. Blitzkrieg tactics all day. Breakfast in
      the room and at Magic Kingdom by opening time. Oldest daughter and myself
      do Space Mountain while wife and youngest do StarJets. Finish at the same
      time then do in rapid fire Wedway,Dreamflight,Mission to Mars, American 
      Journeys, Grand Prix Raceway,Mr Toads Wild Ride,Ciderella's Carrousel
      and Small World (I know but the kids love it. At least we didn't have to
      do Dumbo's Flying Circus for the first time which is worse IMHO) by 1:00. 
      Returned to the room for lunch and a swim. While the kids were swimming
      I went to the Amtrak station to pick up my brother-in-law who came down
      from Savannah for the weekend to join us. After returning and finding him
      a room out on 192 (no reservations. Who needs them)we decided since he is
      semi-broke(just moved to Georgia from St Thomas and started his own 
      business from scratch) he will buy only a one day pass to a park. Since he
      been to the MK several times and Epcot once we figure MGM will be best.
      Arrive at 4:30 and by the time we watched the fireworks from the parking
      lot at 11 we had done everything but animation and the Muppets. This 
      includes Star Tours twice, dinner at the Prime Time (without reservations)
      the complete Backstage Studio Tour,Monster Sound Studio,Superstar TV,Great
      Movie Ride,tried to get on Let's Make A Deal(twice) and the Indiana Jones
      Stunt Spectacular. (It's twice as good at night. The effects are great)
      Considering the crowds and the fact dinner took more than an hour we 
      did pretty good. Needless to say my brother-in-law was very impressed 
      with the whole place especially Star Tours (the look on his face at the 
      first drop was priceless),Catastrophe Canyon (we let him in the tram 
      first,aren't we friendly) and Indiana Jones.

8-18: Break Day again. Since this was my oldest daughter birthday we took the 
      day off so to speak. We used our annual passport for River Country and
      since we managed to pick up Plus Pass tickets from someone who was leaving
      the day before (socializing by the pool is great,it is amazing) my brother
      in law was free. Spent a nice lazy day swimming,sliding etc there.
      Afterward we had a birthday dinner at Chef Mickey's at the shopping 
      village. We embarrassed my daughter there. When it's your birthday they 
      bring this big birthday balloon with a cake in the basket attached to it,
      the waiters and Mickey come over and lead the restaurant in a chorus of 
      happy birthday. Finished up with shopping at the stores.

8-19: Since my brother in law was leaving early in the afternoon we used Sunday
      morning to go the Minnie's breakfast at the Poly. Afterwards just visited
      the various hotels such as Grand Floridian,Dolphin,Swan and then over to
      Pleasure Island just to look around. After dropping him off at Amtrak it
      looked like it was really going to rain(which it did for several hours)
      so we stopped at the Belz Factory Outlet. Did some shopping and decided
      to try Universal Studio the next day so called it quits early and managed
      to get the kids in bed at a reasonable hour. Watched MGM fireworks again
      of course.

8-20: Universal Studio. Arrived before it opened and proceeded to blow the 
      opportunity. This place has what I consider some serious problems. There 
      really hasn't been enough discussed in this file to plan Universal the 
      way we can Disney. What really messed us up was the fact the kids wanted
      to audition for Nickelodeon. No one would give any info in advance 
      on how it works so we did that first. Mistake. By the time we got out the
      lines got long. Still, I managed to do everything except Jaws (down and we
      know why). I will put more on Universal in that topic. Suffice it to say
      that this killed the entire day and left us tired from the heat and 
      humidity.

8-21: Slept late. Had breakfast in the room then went swimming until late
      afternoon. Went to Magic Kingdom to finish up there. Did Jungle Cruise,
      Pirates of the Caribbean,Tiki Birds (the kids love them not me),Swiss
      Family Treehouse,Country Bear Jamboree, Tom Sawyer,Mike Fink Keelboats,
      Hall of Presidents,Haunted Mansion, Peter Pan,Snow White,Fantasy Faire,
      Mad Hatter Teacups,quick stop in Mickey's Starland then the Skyway back to
      Thunder Mountain (managed to be on the Skyway when the fireworks started
      and Tinkerbell flew. different perspective.) and finished up with the 
      electrical parade at 11:00. This sounds like a lot and it is. We were 
      helped by the fact that this was a very hot day with a longer then 
      normal rain shower around 5:30. This thinned the crowd out some and by 
      the time the 9:00 parade started the rides were really emptying out.
      Back around midnight. Missed the MGM fireworks,oh well.

8-22: Slept late again. Had breakfast in the room again and then swimming until
      late in the day again. Hit Epcot around 3:30 this time to finish there.
      Finish World Showcase which takes up most of the time. Worked from Germany
      around to Canada then hit Imagination again for the little one then bite 
      the bullet and went to Body Wars at Wonders of Life. The wait no matter 
      when we checked was at least an hour but since this was the only thing we 
      had never done we went. Fortunately the 60 minute sign was off,it only 
      took 45. I think people got out of line as the time for illuminations 
      approached. It wasn't worth the wait. Star Tours has got this beat by a 
      mile. Finished up with illuminations again then back to the CBR to watch
      MGM's fireworks.

8-23: Departure day. I tried to convince my wife for one more blitz. I had it 
      all planned and it would have worked. MGM for Star Tours and the Movie 
      Ride,then over to MK to do Thunder Mountain and then Space Mountain.
      I know we would have been back to the room by 10:00 AM and since the plane
      didn't leave until 2:30 we had plenty of time. But she and the kids were
      too tired. Settled for a leisurely breakfast and then the shopping village
      to blow the rest of our money. Lunch at Chef Mickey's and then to the 
      airport. Then the fun started again with Eastern. Seems Atlanta was having
      fog problems so when we got there our flight was 45 minutes late arriving.
      The agent at the gate got us on another flight that was getting ready to
      leave.(it was already an hour late) Even though we had to hurry I figured
      I was better off waiting in Atlanta for my connecting flight then to stuck
      in Orlando. Thank goodness we did. Atlanta was a zoo. Flights were running
      late everywhere. After changing the departure of our flight 4 times due
      to inbound problems Eastern finally decided on a gate and a plane. The
      original plane was supposed to be a 727 but we ended up with a L-1011.
      Turns out they took the biggest plane they had around because so many
      connecting flights were late in arriving they had over 500 people waiting
      for Boston. It turned out to be pretty much a first come first served
      scramble for seats. (I hate Eastern) We were lucky though, we managed to
      get 4 seats together. Somehow our luggage followed us but we weren't
      sure until we claimed it at Logan.


   In order to save money and time we would often have breakfast and lunch in
our room. How do you do this you ask. Well, we cheat. Most people when they eat
in their room at the CBR buy food at Port Royal and bring it back. Not us. We
brought a portable single electric burner,a electric pot for heating water,
plastic plates and bowls, some silver ware and cooking utensils,hand can opener
and some basic food stuff like cereal,pasta etc. For breakfast we would have 
english muffins,pancakes,corn beef hash and cereal. Lunch was often tuna fish,
grilled cheese,soup and pasta. It would be a lot easier in the trailers at FW 
but this wasn't off season. Just had to be careful not to set off the smoke 
alarm.

   The other thing is we used our car every single day when going to the park
except for the next to the last night when we knew we would close the park (MK)
By going late in the day not only did we avoid most of the heat but we managed
to get a parking space right up front usually in the first row nice and close to
the entrance. Epcot is the best to do this at. No trams or monorail crowds.

   This will be our last trip until 1992 unless we hit the lottery or win
a trip. We will let them add some new stuff before we go back (sigh)

Bill

Who's_vac.com_will_sit_idle_for_a_while
(sigh)
183.35LATE REPORT and LONGHPSTEK::PASCOMark 'PASCO' PascarelliMon Sep 17 1990 17:13725
Sorry this is very late in coming but I've had lots to do. And this has been
partially done for over a month !
THE  FIRST  PART  OF  THIS REPORT IS A SUMMARY WITH GENERAL INFO. THE SECOND
PART  IS  A  DAY  BY  DAY...BLOW  BY BLOW DESCRIPTION. READ THE PART YOU ARE
INTERESTED IN.



		WALT DISNEY WORLD TRIP REPORT FOR PASCARELLI FAMILY


				SUMMARY OF TRIP


WHO: 4 adults , 1 child (6 yrs)
HOW: Driving  round trip was 3030 miles
HOW LONG : 5 days in park ( world vacation plan) , 2 weeks total vacation time

First time for Myself, wife and child


We stayed  at  the  Polynesian, which was top notch. The atmosphere was just
right  and I felt comfortable. Closeness to the TCC was an advantage as this
gave  us  lots  of options as to how to get around. The staff was excellent,
and the pool and grounds were in excellent shape.


We decided to go using the 5 day World Vacation. This was our first trip and
I  wanted  to do everything and anything without worrying about the cost. It
was  a  wise choice and I'll try to do it the same way next time. I was told
in advance that our plan DID NOT include the Neverland Club and was prepared
to  pay  on  the night our son went there. They surprised me by asking if we
were  "GOLD KEY" and then taking it as payment for the $24 charge (4 hours).
We  used  the card for boat rental, admission to river country and discovery
island, all the parks, Neverland Club and many EXCELLENT and EXPENSIVE meals
and  shows.  We  met some people that were told that "Victoria and Albert's"
was  not  included  but  we  went  there 1 night with no problem. Our record
Dinner  for  4 was $365 and record Lunch for 5 was $200. These kind of meals
being  free helped justify the package price. When our plan expired we added
up  all  receipts and the total for 5 days of meals for 5 people, plus water
sprites,  and  river  country  .....$1885.... And this does NOT include hotel
or park entry  and  the  little  things  like  VALET  parking. We ate like 
Kings and Queens....And  the  beauty  was  that with all the walking no one 
gained any weight !!!

We visited each of the 3 parks multiple times, caught the Polynesian review,
Front  row for Hoop-De-Doo, Sunday Brunch-With-The-Disney-Bunch, Broadway at
the  Top,  Dinner  at  the  Empress  Room, Electrical Parade, Water Pageant,
Fireworks  from  in the park and from the top of the contemporary, Dinner at
Victoria and Alberts, Sat in the front of Monorail 3 times including once at
night, and did too many other things to remember.


Magic Kingdom  was  MY  favorite  and  Sons also. Wife Liked Epcot the best.
Magic  Kingdom  has  the most shade in park area with most lines being under
some  kind  of  shade. BUT the rides are mostly outside and HOT. MGM has the
least shade but Lots of stuff is inside and VERY COOL. You can feel the cold
air from open doors when you walk up the sidewalk.


On the  next  trip ??? I would like do do most everything again. I would try
to  stay Longer and use the same plan if finances allow. I would go into the
parks  ONLY  very  early  and  VERY  late,  saving the middle of the day for
boating,  swimming,  relaxing,  etc. I would cross off the Polynesian review
but  Do  the other Dinner show and the Character Brunch again. The Neverland
Club is a MUST at least once for the kids.


FIRST THING UPON ARRIVAL GET EACH CHILD A DISNEY AUTOGRAPH BOOK. THEY SOLD OUT
AFTER WE GOT OURS. STEPHEN LOVED GETTING THOSE SIGNATURES AND ALL THE CHARACTERS
SIGNED AS SOON AS THEY SAW IT. CARRY YOUR OWN PEN !



Most of  our  NON-DISNEY motel's were DAYS INN'S. The reservations were made
through  the  Days  Inn  800 number telephone reservation number. THIS WAS A
GIANT MISTAKE !!!! At every place reserved through this number we were stuck
with  a  motel  that did not meet our expectations. We also found much nicer
DAYS  INNS  in  the  same city in every case. WE DID CHECK and found that in
every  case  the  nicer  place  still  had rooms available but to change our
reservations we would have had to forfeit our deposit. In the opinion of the
adults  on  this  trip  The  parent  company  is  filling the less desirable
buildings with the 800 reservation people. Walk-in's from the street may not
stay there once they see the place. They have lost us as future customers.


			And now the details


*** ALL NUMBERS IN PARENTHESIS ARE THE APPROXIMATE WAIT TIME FOR THE ATTRACTION

=============================================================================
JULY 4... 4:00 p.m....Pick up rental van at Logan Airport. National Car, 
	  Plymoth Grand Voyager, $257 per week unlimited mileage.
	  We own a Grand Caravan and thought it would be a good choice for the
	  trip, but didn't want to add the miles to ours...especially since the
	  transmission had been acting up.

   11:00 P.M.... Left Marlboro, Mass.  travel route was  495 to 95, Tappen Zee
		 bridge, N.J turnpike, Garden State Trnpk., then back to 95....

===============================================================================

JULY 5


   4:30 P.M. stopped for 1'st night at Florence, South Carolina

===============================================================================


JULY 6... Arrived in Orlando 1 day before our package started to rest up and
	be better able to take full advantage of the first day at Disney.
	
        Checked into DAYS INN CENTRAL and determined that we will never stay
	there again. I wouldn't even wash the dog with towels that looked like
	the ones they furnished. My son burnt his hand on tap water from
	the COLD faucet. The AC was practically non-existent. No ICE. ETC.

===============================================================================

July 7 ... DISNEY DAY 1.....  My Birthday

	Arrived at the POLYNESIAN right before 9:00 A.M. Took about 
	10-15 minutes to get squared away at registration desk.
	We received resort ID's for each person, GOLD KEY cards for each 
	person, 2 room keys for each room, maps and hotel info, 2 vouchers
	for VALET parking, 2 vouchers for Bellhop service. The rooms were 
	naturally not ready at this early hour but that was expected.

	We drove the van up to the front door and Disney took it from there!
	All luggage was taken out and locked up and the car was parked right 
	up close to the front entrance. We never saw the car until check out.

	After About 9:15 A.M. or so were were all set and started WDW by
	having breakfast at the Coral Isle Cafe. After reading about it "HERE"
	for 6 months I had to have the Banana French Toast. Very Good but once 
	was enough for me. 

	Took the Monorail over to Magic Kingdom and did :

	Tomorrowland
			Mission to Mars (5)....good

			Wedway people mover (0)....good

			Starjets.....I skipped but son enjoyed

		Temp. was now in 90's and VERY humid. Break for Ice tea !
	1'st spill of the trip. Whole cup of orange soda. Caused by ADULT !
		
			Skyway to Fantasyland (5)

	Fantasyland
			Smallworld (5)...I expected to hate this but actually 
				     thought it was an excellent ride. My wife
				     and the other couple did it 3 times before
				     the week was out.

			Carousel (10)...standard fare

			Dumbo (20+).... My least favorite ride and longest 
					wait of the trip. son really enjoyed it.

			20,000 leagues (15)...good for kids

We moved  around  slow  because  of  the  heat, 90+ every day. By now we had
soaked up lots of Disney Magic and took the Monorail to the Contemporary for
lunch. My wife's hat said Bar Harbor and The waitress was from Maine so took
a  great  interest in our table. Shrimp cocktail was my son's lunch.... That
"PLAN"  sure  came in handy. Shrimp never fails to get my son to eat. He ate
mine and his ! Lunch for 5 was $70. 
			
After lunch  we went back to the Poly, stopped in the Gift shop, and got our
room  keys  around  3:00.  I  stopped back out front and Disney snapped into
action  again. They  took  all bags, plus my son and I on a little cart ride
right  over  to  our building (Hawaii) and carried everything inside. All as
part  of  "THE  PLAN"  .  We  were  now ready for the pool but a Thunder and
Lightning  storm  changed  that idea. Did a little souvenir shopping with my
son and relaxed for a few hours.

We did  the  Polynesian Review for dinner. We were told to be there 45 mins.
early  !!! 15 minutes would have been better. There is no place to sit while
you  are waiting and small children get bored waiting that long.The food was
OK,  with the stir fried shrimp dish being excellent. I thought the show was
a  little  slow  for  the 1'st half. My son really enjoyed the faster moving
dances.  I'm  glad we did this show but would probably not do it on the next
trip.  Stephen  (6 yrs. 50 lbs.) fell asleep right before the fire dance and
missed  it.  He is still asking why they didn't do it. I carried him back to
Hawaii  which  is  quite  a  hike when carrying someone !!! He slept about 5
minutes  after  I  put  him  on his bed and awoke just in time to go see the
water pageant.

With the child wide awake and DAD chomping at the bit We headed back to the 
MAGIC KINGDOM for :

		Grand PRIX RACEWAY (15) ... excellent Stephen got to drive
					    I controlled gas !

Saw the fireworks immediately after we exited the Raceway. Lost the rest of our
group who were SUPPOSED to meet us at raceway. It turns out they decided to take
a second ride on SMALLWORLD. We wasted about 1/2 hour before we gave up on them.
and did......

	SPACE MOUNTAIN	(15)... I absolutely HATE rollercoasters but was so 
				hyped up I thought this was super. The hype 
			       inside is so great that I think some people are 
			       scared over nothing. About 20 people left the 
			      line and snuck out the back while we were waiting.
			      Stephen sat in front seat and spent the whole 
			     time saying "I HOPE I LIVE". We both decided that 
			     1 ride per Disney trip is enough for us. We 
			    couldn't talk the rest of our group into going on 
			    it later.


Got turned  around  at castle because of Parade and then got kind of lost. I
had  forgotten  my map in the hotel. Ended up in FrontierLand and took train
back to front, then Monorail to Hotel. The Monorail was always slow and made
stops  between  hotels  due to preceding monorail being still stopped at the
hotel stations. 

BEDTIME around 12:20

==============================================================================

JULY 8... DISNEY DAY 2


     Rise and shine at 5:45....I got everyone up early every day and I took
abuse for it . Out front waiting for the MGM bus at 6:50. Arrived at MGM 
shortly after 7:00. Coffee and VERY light breakfast at Hollywood and Vine.

Front row, Center seats for the first show of the day of Indiana Jones Stunt 
Show. Excellent show. They can fit a great number of people inside....Felt the
heat of the flames !!!!!

Then STAR TOURS (0) ...WOWEE ZOWEE !!!!  Even my wife who hates space and/or
Science Fiction loved it.

Over to the Monster Sound Show (5 +). My son was itchy and wanted to look for
RIDES ! Once inside He was one of the loudest laughers and really enjoyed the 
show. 

Cold drinks were now in order and then a walk to The Chinese Theater for 
THE GREAT MOVIE RIDE (10).  Again my son was itchy waiting in line but this
was another attraction that had his FULL attention once it started.

Back to  the Polynesian by bus, A quick fresh-up in the room and Over to the
Main house for "SUNDAY BRUNCH WITH THE DISNEY BUNCH". The food was excellent
with  champagne included for adults. Lots of breakfast foods and lots of hot
"meals"  like  stir  fry  shrimp,  and  pork,  Roast  beef,  cold shrimp....
Characters  were  MINNEY,  GOOFY,  CHIP, DALE, and PLUTO. We were there well
over  an  hour  and  all the characters except PLUTO visited our table, sat,
played,  signed  autographs, and posed for pictures. They spent as much time
at tables with all adults as tables with kids.


Next was 45 minutes on the Water sprites. I "had" to drive as my son was too 
young. Then a dip and slide at the pool. The Polynesian has 2 pools. We always
used the one with the awesome slide. The stairs are reached by going under a
waterfall.


We adults  looked kind of funny with ties and dresses but that was the dress
code  for  our  next adventure...Dinner at VICTORIA AND ALBERTS at the Grand
Floridian.  Stephen stayed at the Mickey Mouse Club (at the Floridian). This
was  kind  of  disappointing  as it was just a small room with toys and vcr.
Geared  more  toward  smaller children 6 and UNDER. Actually not bad but The
NEVERLAND club a few night later was much better (and more money of coarse).


Dinner was    FANTASTIC    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Harpist  playing  during  dinner, every need is catered to. If you leave the
table they take away your napkin and bring a fresh one upon your return, AND
put  it on you lap. Fresh Silverware is brought on a silver tray after every
course.  Complementary  PORT wine was served before desert the night we were
there.  A multi-hour Gustatory experience. Dinner for 4 including tip but no
Alchohol  was  $365. Included special hor's de oers while "the chef prepares
your  appetizer",  soup,  salad,  entree,  sorbet  to  clean the palate, and
dessert. Even the rest rooms in this restaurant were an experience.


Then pick  up Stephen, Back to the Poly by Launch , Change clothes, Monorail
to TTC...big mistake and Monorail to Epcot for a scouting trip. We found out
the  ride  to  TTC  is long and the walk is short. We walked to and from TTC
after this.

We scouted  around  Epcot  arriving  minutes before the light show and chose
SPACESHIP  EARTH (0) over watching the Light show. Great Ride. Monorail back
to  TTC  and  walk  to Poly. I did another Infamous Child Carry and again he
awoke as soon as we arrived back at the room. Which of us is smarter ????

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July 9 ... Disney Day 3


Up early... Breakfast in the Coral Cafe at the Poly. 8:30 A.M. walk to TTC and 
monorail over to EPCOT. Wandered around awhile people watching then:


	UNIVERSE OF ENERGY (5 +) ... Most of this was Excellent but I thought
				    some of the movie was boring. The Dinosaurs
				   are really good.

	BODY WARS (15) ... EXCELLENT but Star Tours was better. However I think
			   this was a rougher ride.

Wandered around  the  wonders  of  life  trying a few touchy-feely exhibits.
Lines  were  getting  long so headed over to the Living Seas and were seated
early  for  our  lunch reservations. Lunch was at the Coral Reef Rest. Maine
Lobster  all  around  plus  the  obligatory Shrimp cocktail. Stephen ate the
1-1/2  pounder  and a shrimp cocktail and left nary a scrap. They do lobster
really  nice. You don't even need a cracker for the shell. Watching the fish
while  eating was great and a scuba diver "visited" the front tables through
the  glass.  Again  I was glad for "the plan" since the bill would have been
$200.  Desert  was  also  great, too bad I was too full for anything but ice
cream. After lunch :


	LIVING SEAS (5) ... Son wanted to skip since we go to the N.E. Aquarium
				a lot. He was getting fussy but once inside
				didn't want to leave. We missed the divers going
				in and out but it was still a good attraction.

	CAPTAIN EO (20) ... We missed the first group to go inside after we 
			    started waiting but we got inside on the next. The
			    pre-show movie is good but little ones can't see 
			    very well since it's all standing. The EO show 
			    itself is excellent even for those who don't like 
			    Michael Jackson. The special effects are good and 
			    people actually reach out to try and grab the 
			    creatures.

	EL RIO DEL TIEMPO (Mexico) (0) ... The river of time. Very good. Got
					stuck getting off ride when a women a
					few boats ahead had a hard time 
					getting off. We were actually sitting 
					for close to 5 mins. while they tried 
					pushing her out, pulling her out, prying
					her out, and everything else.

	MAELSTROM (Norway) (5) ... Very nice ride. It's slightly spoiled by the
				   view you get from outside the building while
			           waiting in line.

After an  Ice  Tea  (and  pastry)  our party split up. Stephen went with the
other  couple  over  to  Journey into Imagination while my wife and I walked
around  the  other countries. We took the launch back across the lagoon when
we  were done and went in the back and upstairs at Journey into Imagination.
Stephen  was  on TV making one of those movies when they put the kids into a
film  using  special  effects.  HE  had a very good time playing and Figment
turned out to be one of his favorites.

After a  walk  around Communicore it was back to TTC by monorail and walk to
the  Poly. After a short rest It was Monorail to the Contemporary and launch
ride  over  to Ft. Wilderness for the HOOP-DE-DOO REVIEW ! We originally had
reservations  for  the first show of the night. BUT sometime that morning we
decided  to  try  and  change  them.  We were successful in changing to the
second  show of the nite. This was another case of being told to be there 45
mins. early and finding out that 15 would have been better. while waiting to
get  in I did a little shopping at the trading post and met some interesting
and  friendly people from Texas. Once in Pioneer Hall I was expecting tables
way  in back because of the reservation change AND was surprised by receiving
a front row center table. The food was not as bad as some reviews here claim
with the beans being extra good. The music and jokes were old and very corny
which  is  what  makes the show so good. My son thought it was fantastic and
even  the  other Male Adult warmed to the show after they made some comments
about  him  "EYEING"  the  women performers. This is a MUST DO on any future
trips !!!!! 

Because of  the late hour the Launches were not running when we exited so We
took a bus back to the Polynesian. The next morning we found out that 3 or 4
kids  were  killed later that nite. They were high school aged WDW employees
driving around late after work and HIT a bus that was waiting to make a left
turn.  It  made all the papers since SPEED was definitely involved and there
were  friends  of  the kids as witnesses. Police claimed speeds in excess of
80, witnesses claimed "not more than 55"....either way a sad and unnecessary
loss.


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JULY 10 .....DISNEY DAY 4


Up and at em early.... Bus over to MGM and a very lite breakfast at HOLLYWOOD
AND VINE. MGM was a good place for early morning with it's 7:00 opening time.

During the morning coffee it was decided that the other 3 adults wanted to
take the Backstage tour. I decided that Stephen may not enjoy a 2 hour tour
so He and I decided to do our own thing. We agreed to meet the others at
11:30 in front of the BROWN DERBY since we had lunch reservations there at
12:00.

Steve and I did :

		ANIMATION TOUR ( 10 ) ... This is a really good movie. Robin
					Williams with Cronkite? The tour part
				was OK but some people will shove "their" kids 
				in front of other people to make sure "they" can
				see then the adults themselves will block out
				other children from seeing also. I tried to 
				never block "polite" children even if I had to 
				stand back a little.

When we  exited  the  tour we ran into Mickey right out front. This was our
only  real run in with the Brazilian tour groups. Steve had his heart set on
a  picture  of himself with Mickey and an autograph. The Brazialian's showed
up  3  seconds  behind  us  and took over. They were climbing over seats and
planters to get behind Mickey and push others away...even pushed little kids
and jammed in front of them. Mickey couldn't see what was happening. Stephen
finally  got  an  autograph  after  5  minutes  of waiting....as the 2'nd in
line....  Then  before I could take the picture these 3 women jammed him out
and  "HOGGED"  Mickey  until someone came out and led Mickey away and behind
the scenes. We also saw Brer Fox for autographs...


		NINJA TURTLE SHOW ... We arrived 30 minutes before the show. The
				      girl setting up the ropes told us that the
				      1'st 75 kids would get on stage for an
				      autograph and picture taking opportunity. 
				we were about 20'th in line. When the show 
				started we missed the turtle wagon pulling up 
				and the turtles getting up to the stage. 
				2 turtles dance around the stage while 2 others
				and April sign autographs at the ropes. We were
				ushered up on stage 2 kids at a time. Each kid
				was brought to 1 of the turtles and could get
				an autograph while the parents took pictures. We
				were allowed less than 30 seconds for this and 
				then led off stage. In all the "SHOW" lasts less
			than 10 minutes and then they drive off in the wagon.
			For real TMNT lovers a good show if you are one of the
			75 allowed on stage, otherwise a waste of time.


		MUPPET SHOW  ( 10 + ) ... Excellent show with Kermit, Fonzi,
					Animal and others....

		INDIANA JONES ( 15 ) ... This was our second time. The pre-show
					routine was the same so this part was 
					not as interesting. I insist that the
					show itself was slightly different but 
				my son claims otherwise. I remember 2 big diff's
				in the stunts. Some of the characters were 
				different but INDY was the same guy.

		STAR TOURS ( 5 +) ... second time for this. Just as good a it
				     was a few days before. Sat in LAST row on
				    first ride and in 2'nd row this time. Ride
				   was rougher and better in front. IMHO.


Made our way over to BROWN DERBY for Lunch. Met the others right on time and
were  seated  about  5  minutes  early. Cobb Salad was good, Shrimp cocktail
again  for  my  son.  I  would  rate food as Good but not great, service OK,
Atmosphere  not really special. I would skip this next time and go somewhere
else.  The LOW POINT of the whole vacation happened here. My son went to the
rest  room  and  forgot his fanny pack in one of the stalls. I didn't notice
since  I  wasn't  wearing  one.  When  we  went  to  leave the restaurant He
remembered  the  Pack.  We  were only out of the rest room 5 minutes but the
pack  was  gone.  NO  ONE  turned  it  in.  Net loss was a cheap camera with
Priceless  pictures  in  it,  A  Ninja Turtle pack, and 1 new purchase ... A
Ninja  turtle Keychain. The pack was replaceable but we haven't been able to
find  another  keychain.  Good thing I was carrying his autograph book in my
pocket  that  day. He was quite upset and it brought tears to his 6 year old
eyes.  He  learned  a valuable lesson and if he ever finds something he will
turn it in to lost and found and save someone else the hurt.

We made our way back to the POLY by bus and the Wife's did laundry while
Al rested and I brought Stephen to the Game room. He spent 7 or 8 dollars 
playing video games while the wives spent a few dollars doing the laundry. I 
think he got more enjoyment than them. 

We dressed  again  and all went by Monorail to the Contemporary for the 9:00
show  of  BROADWAY  AT  THE TOP. Excellent show even Stephen enjoyed it. The
menu was a little limited and difficult for him since there was no shrimp.:>) 
During dinner only the band plays. Nice easy stuff like Big Band Sounds.
We  watched  a  Lightning  storm  through  the  windows and also watched the
Fireworks over Magic Kingdom right from our seats. After dinner a stage pops
out  from  under  the  band and 5 performers came out to sing and dance. All
music  was  Broadway  tunes  and  done very professionally. Great show and I
would  do  it  again. If my memory is correct it was over 2 hours for dinner
and the show. Monorail back to Poly and another infamous CHILD CARRY !

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JULY 11 .....DISNEY DAY 5

This was  the last day of our package deal and we were therefore supposed to
leave  the  park that nite and stay off property. Yesterday we found a flyer
under  our door advertising that we could extend the hotel stay for $120 per
night.  The  usual  room  rate  was  200  +. This rate was for room only. We
decided  to stay the last night instead of going off property. This saved us
from  leaving  in  the  middle  of  the  day to check in someplace else then
returning for our night dinner plans.

Today we split up again. 

I had  used  the  PLAN  to  get  free  tickets to Discovery Island and River
Country  Last  night.  I just went over to Guest Relations in the Poly lobby
and  showed  my card. We got the tickets last nite and planned on using them
today.  The  other  2 Adults wanted to visit Discovery so slept in and did a
late  start.  I  "informed"  my  wife that I was being tour leader today and
"forced"  her and my son along. We got up early and ate a leisurly breakfast
at  the  Polynesian  Tangarea Terrace. The buffet was excellent and included
Mickey Mouse Waffles.

We hopped a Monorail and were on Main Street about 8:40. We were waiting at 
the bridge near Adventure Land when the 9:00 opening came. We did :


	Jungle Cruise (5) ..... Not as good as I expected. This really needs 
				to be updated with better and newer technology.
				Wife thought this an absolute waste of time.
				Son liked it but not as much as....

	Pirates of the Caribbean (5).....  Great ride. Worth a long wait if 
					need be. One of my son's favorites !
					Wife liked this also.


	Thunder Mountain R.R. (10) ..... Again I "hate" roller coasters but this
					was Excellent with a capital E. Most
					of the ride scenery is wasted on your
				    first trip because your too busy holding on.


We then hopped the Disney R.R. over to Mickey's Starland.


	Mickey's House and SHOW ( 5+) ..... The show is quite good with 
					characters from the Rescue Rangers TV 
					show and Duck Tales doing a skit with
					Mickey and a young woman.
			Then we went backstage for pictures with Mickey. This
			Was the part my son wanted the most and it is very
			Poorly done in my opinion. Mickey was in a dimly lit
			room with a very bright light behind him. This makes
			for BAD pictures. Each child was given about 
			10 nanoseconds alone with Mickey. Once again we had a 
			slight problem with a Brazilian family pushing in line 
			and then trying to Hog Mickey's time. The Cast member 
			inside also doesn't help matters by trying to Hustle 
			everyone through in less than 15 seconds.


Mickey's Starland  was  a  great  place  to  meet characters. We saw about 7
different  ones floating around between the attractions. Then it was back on
the R.R. to the front gate and over to the Poly by Monorail.

We had  Soda's  and  ice cream, changed into swimsuits and took the Monorail
over  to  the  Contemporary  then  out  the  back  door. A boat ride to Fort
Wilderness and a short walk later we were inside river country. 

My son  enjoyed  the  wading  area and small slides, then we all went on the
Tube  ride.  This  should have been made longer. It seems like it's over too
quick. My wife went once then decided it was dangerous. Since your feet hang
out  one  side and your head hangs out the other she was afraid that someone
would bang their head on the cement walls and get knocked out. Son and I did
it  a  few more times. He fell out of his tube on the last ride and couldn't
get  back  inside  until  I came along to help. He bumped his tailbone quite
hard on the bottom and decided that he was finished there. 

So it  was over to the big waterslides. These baby's Are pretty steep at the
end  and  put  you out in very deep water. The wife chickened out at the top
but  son  and  I  went  for  it.  Ride #1 was fine. Ride number 2 was a near
disaster.  When  I  reached  bottom Steve was right in front of me and doing
fine.  We hit the water and started toward the ladder out. My son swims much
better  than  I  and was in front. I couldn't see very well since I am blind
without my glasses. I floundered after him and lost sight of him when I went
under  a  wave.  I  reached  the ladder, and climber out expecting him to be
waiting but only saw my wife. I searched the water and he was not out there.
I  started  to  panic  and was about to leap back in when another GUEST came
swimming  over  helping  Steve along. He had somehow gotten pushed under the
floating  Logs  that  are  used to mark the safety area thats the end of the
slide drop zone.. The logs were too big for him to grab and he was too tired
to  go  under  or  around. THE LIFEGUARD NEVER SAW A THING. He looked like a
drowned  rat  and decided on his own to stay in the wading area for the rest
of our visit.

After we dried and had a snack at the Fort Wilderness Trading Post...and
bought a few souvenirs.....we Did the reverse trip back to the Poly. 
i.e.....Launch to Contemporary, Monorail to Poly. After showers, and a hour
or so rest.... We dressed up for the third time in suits, met the others from
our group,and then dropped off Stephen at the NEVERLAND CLUB at the Polynesian.

The NEVERLAND  CLUB  turned  out to be one of Stephen's favorite activities.
This was a completely fun place. Large Screen for Disney movies, Video games
that  are  permanently turned on ( no quarters needed), buffet supper, Goofy
stopped  by  and  they  gave  each kid a  Polaroid of themselves with Goofy,
autographs, and other fun "stuff".

While Stephen  was  occupied  the adults walked over to the TTC and caught a
bus  to  Pleasure  Island  and  had  a dining EXPERIENCE in the EMPRESS ROOM
aboard  the  EMPRESS  LILLY.  Another gustatory delight.....dinner for 3 was
$270.  Roses and candies for the ladies, Attentive service, nice atmosphere,
very GOOD food.

After a rain storm we caught the bus back to the TTC and walked to the Poly.
When  picking up our son at the NEVERLAND CLUB we were told...."We just take
care  of them. You have to get them to leave." They place was so nice that I
can believe that some kids don't want to leave.

It was  now  a  little  after  9:00  on  our last night in Disney. One adult
decided  to go back to EPCOT to video tape ILLUMINATIONS. One adult was sick
and my wife decided to stay with her because she didn't want to stay up real
late. Steve and I already had plans to end with a bang not a whimper.

I changed  out  of my suit and we hopped the Monorail over to Magic Kingdom.
We got one last Monorail ride in the front seat...at nite to boot. I told
Stephen that we were going to stay until either the park closed or He wanted
to leave AND we would go and do anything he wanted.  WE THEN DID :


	Haunted Mansion (5) ..... I liked , Son LOVED it. Forward motion 
				 stopped when we were in front of long room
				Everything was operating except we stayed in 
				one spot for 5 minutes.


We walked over to Pirates and found the ride had just broke moments before.
May not even be fixed for tomorrow's opening we were told. We got halfway to
Thunder Mtn. when Stephen decided that he wanted Jungle Cruise instead..SO..
we turned around and went back by the Pirates. Jungle Cruise Line looked too
Long for him ... SO ... Turned back around and hiked back to .....

	Thunder Mountain R.R. (10) ..... We both thought that ride was more	
					intense at night. Curves seemed tighter
				    hills steeper,views different under lights.


Son next decided that Haunted Mansion was worth a second trip ... SO... off
we go toward Mansion. Stopped at the Shootin Arcade for a few rounds. Then
over  to  the HAUNTED MANSION for the second time that night. The first part
was  spoiled  by these 3 girls....LATE teen years....seemed to have been on 
this ride many times...spoke the cast members lines with them....screamed and 
carried  on. The cast member inside was giving them dirty looks. By the time
we hit the ride portion of this, most of the paying customers were also 
giving  these  "children"  dirty  looks.  My son liked this just as much the
second time round. 


By now  the ropes were all up and the electrical parade was somewhere in the
park. Son was tired and wanted to leave BUT then heard the parade music and
decided that he wanted to see that. We watched at the point that the parade
makes a sharp left turn right near the river boats. Good spot. Not crowded,
good view as parade slows to turn. Turns out that the adult from our group
had gotten video's of Illuminations and still made it back to Magic Kingdom
in time for this parade. He filmed from somewhere else. My wife missed the
parade since she was already in bed by now.

After the parade my son became "very" tired again. On our way to the R.R.
station we had to make a "pit" stop. The only restroom I could find was near
the pirate ride. We rallied again and tried the Jungle Cruise line but
Stephen though it was still too long. On the way by we did SWISS FAMILY TREE
HOUSE. This was one of my son's favorite Disney Movie. A good way to end the
week.


My exit plan was via the Walt Disney R.R. This was a big mistake !!! We were
at  the  station  about  11:45.  The train picked us up about 12:10 and then
stopped  at  Mickey's  Starland for a 5 minute wait. By now Stephen was fast
asleep.  It was 12:20 by the time we hit the Monorail. I carried him all the
way. While we were in line for the Monorail I noticed that we would not make
the  first tram. Stephen was getting very heavy when they announced that the
Monorail  was  having  difficulties  and  they  were switching the tram to a
different rail. The projected wait was 15 minutes. Then 5 minutes later they
announced  that  there  was difficulties on the rail switch and the tram was
stuck  between  rails.  The  wait  would  be  of  unknown  length and it was
suggested  to  leave the station and take the ferry boat. Enough people left
to  put  us very near the front and guarantee we would fit on the first tram
so  I decided to wait.... within 5 minutes more they announced that they had
fixed the original problem and had swapped the tram back to it's first rail. 

We arrived  into  our  room  at the Poly around 1:00 A.M.....remember we had
started  to leave the park at 11:45 ! A tough way to end but I really wanted
to carry 50 pounds for an hour anyway ...  so it was OK by me.

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				EPILOGUE


We checked out of Disney and did Cape Canaveril July 12. Stayed in Orlando
that  night  at the DAYS INN SUITES. Very nice Place. It was raining so hard
and so long that we needed to try 3 rooms before they gave us a second floor
room. All the 1'st floor rooms were flooding. It was the hardest and longest
storm  we  experienced  in  Florida.  We  saw  a  fire  on the way back from
Canaveril that was started by lightning.

Started north July 13. Stayed overnight somewhere in North Carolina. Reached
Williamsburg   on   Saturday   July   14.   Stayed  at  "DAYS  INN  COLONIAL
WILLIAMSBURG".  I  wouldn't  recommend  this  place. Took most of Sunday the
15'th  and  did Colonial Williamsburg. Better than Sturbridge Village but I
felt  that  it  was  very expensive. $50+ for 2 adults and a child. The more
interesting  things  to  see  (blacksmith,  military  encampment)  were  not
operating that day. Reached Washington Late in the day and checked into DAYS
INN DOWNTOWN. Another reservation from the 800 number. This was not too bad.
3 blocks from the subway. A fairly good location and not too hard to find.

Spent Monday the 16'th visiting the Capital, Washington Monument, Vietnam
Veterans Monument, Lincoln Monument, and 2 Smithsonian (Natural History and
Air And Space). The Subway System is the absolute BEST I have ever seen and
very easy to use. Tuesday we checked out of our hotel, left the car in their 
Garage and took the Subway to the Zoo. Got great views of the Panda's and
lots of other animals. Picked up car and left Washington mid-afternoon.

Stayed Tuesday night somewhere in Conn. Arrived home early on Wednesday,
Unpacked 1/2 the van, Took other couple home, unpacked and cleaned the VAN
completely and dropped it off at Logan airport a hour before it was due.

We added a 5 year old to the family a few weeks later and we are planning on
our  next  trip to DISNEY being the summer of 1992. As of now it's scheduled
to  be  another  World  Vacation type stay and include around 10 days on WDW
property.


Pasco

    
183.369-Sep-1990 to 15-Sep-1990DSSDEV::ZEHNGUTMon Sep 17 1990 21:29339
    Trip Report -- Walt Disney World

    Who: Marc Zehngut and Carol Frampton
    Dates:  9-Sep-1990 thru 15-Sep-1990
    This was our first trip to WDW.

    Flew Delta from Boston to Orlando.  Greeted by Pluto, Chip and Dale,
    and a Dixieland jazz band at the Orlando airport!

    Rented a Ford Escort from Hertz.  Hertz has a 5% discount for AAA members,
    bring your card.  You could get around WDW without a
    car, but I'm glad we rented one for the convenience it provided for
    fairly low cost (less than $100).  The monorail and busses were
    pretty convenient, although more timeconsuming than driving.  The ferry
    ride from the Ticket and Transportation Center (TTC) to MK is nice.

    Stayed at the Disney Inn.  This is a very nice hotel, nowhere near as
    fancy as the Grand Floridian, but very nicely maintained and excellent
    price/performance (about $117/night with MKC discount).  We had a large
    room overlooking one of the two pools.  A 1/2 mi. walk to the Polynesian
    to get on the monorail (You could take a bus there as well).  If you want
    to play golf at WDW, stay here!  The Disney Inn has 2 championship golf
    courses (which we didn't play) and a 6-hole "executive" golf course which
    we did play on 2 different days.  The 6-hole course will be expanded to
    9 holes by next spring.  It is well groomed and a lot of fun for the
    not-so-serious golfer.  Greens fees are $70 for each of the championship
    courses, and $13 for 2 circuits of the executive course (12 holes total).
    The executive course is an excellent golf value.  The pro shop is very
    well equipped, with lots of nice golf accessories and top-quality rental
    clubs.  I would highly recommend the Disney Inn.  The rocking chairs on
    the veranda are nice, too.

    We had 5-day Super passes which gave us basically the run of the resort
    for the 6 days we were there.  This worked out well, as we saw the 3
    theme parks our first 3 full days there, then rested a day, and returned
    to the parks the final 2 days to see the attractions we had missed.
    Unless you are a trained athlete, I would allow for a day of rest after
    seeing all the parks -- it gets tiring walking around for 10 hours a
    day in 90 degree heat.

    The weather was hot, but great!  It was in the mid-90's during the
    afternoon and 70's at night.  It only rained for about an hour one
    afternoon, otherwise it was mostly sunny.

    Lines were short, except for Saturday when some lines were 15-20 minutes.
    Many attractions had no lines at all.  Our plan to go there after all the
    kids were back in school seems to have been a good one.

Theme Park Attractions
----------------------

    We followed the general guideline of seeing the attractions at the far
    end of each theme park in the morning and working our way toward the front
    of the park during the afternoon.  This was generally the opposite of where
    the crowds were and it worked out very well.

    To try to keep this short, I'll list most of the attractions that we saw
    at each of the theme parks, along with a short comment about it.

Magic Kingdom Attractions
-------------------------

    Walt Disney World Railroad.  Don't miss this.  I'm still singing
    	the "Rolling, rolling, on the express..." song!  A fun ride and a
        great way to get around the park when your feet are tired.

    Pirates of the Carribean.  A little disappointing, but entertaining
        nonetheless.

    Jungle Cruise.  Don't miss this.  Very funny tour guide.

    Diamond Horseshoe Jamboree.  This is a MUST SEE event.  Very entertaining
    	show.  Make reservations for this as soon as you enter the MK (near
    	the "Walt Disney Story" theater on the right).  The food here is
    	nothing to rave about, however, but the show is great.

    Country Bear Vacation Hoedown.  A very entertaining show.  Bears sing and
    	dance.  Note the trophy heads over the exit.  And remember, move
    	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllll the way over to the right!

    Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.  Don't miss this.  I usually don't like
    	roller coasters, but I enjoyed this ride!  Lots of fun.

    It's A Small World.  Cute ride, moderately entertaining for adults, kids
    	would love it.

    Snow White's Adventures.  Scarier than I expected.  A fun ride.

    Mr. Toad's Wild Ride.  Another fun ride.  Tight, twisting turns.

    WEDway People Mover.  Good overview of Tomorrowland.  After seeing the
    	preview of Space Mountain that this ride offers, we skipped Space Mtn.

    Carousel of Progress.  Don't miss this.  This was one of my favorites.
    	Excellent audio animatronics.  It is a bit dated, though, with the
    	last scene looking to be done about 1975, when it was moved to WDW.

    Tomorrowland Theater show - Disney World is Your World.  A MUST SEE.
    	Ten high-energy all-American kids sing and dance up a storm with the
    	Disney characters.  I was exhausted just watching!  Don't miss this.

    American Journeys (Circlevision 360).  A good film that is entertaining
    	but not terrific.  A good break from the heat.

    Grand Prix Raceway.  Lots of fun, driving small racecars around a course.
    	The problem is that a high percentage of the cars don't go very fast.
    	We went twice - I was lucky and got 2 good cars, but Carol got 2 bad
    	ones.

    Mickey's Starland.  This is called "Mickey's Birthdayland" in the 1990
    	Birnbaum WDW guide.  This is mainly a brightly colored street which
    	has the characters strolling about posing for pictures. There is a
    	MUST SEE attraction here. I forget the name of it but it's something
    	like "Mickey's Musical TV Theater".  This is a live show with Mickey
    	and other characters, with fantastic musical numbers.  Don't miss it.
    
    Main Street character parade.  DON'T MISS THIS!!  The Disney characters
    	are in a parade down Main Street, with great music and floats.  Lots
    	of fun and a great photo opportunity.


EPCOT Attractions
-----------------

    Spaceship Earth.  Very interesting ride.  Don't miss it.  It covers the
    	history of the earth in an amazingly short amount of time.

    FutureCom. Computer type games and exhibits.  Interesting break from
    	the heat.

    Journey Into the Imagination.  Don't miss this.  Figment is very
    	entertaining.

    Captain EO.  Don't miss this.  Michael Jackson is great in this film.  The
    	3D effects are very good.  A little too loud, though.

    World of Motion.  Very interesting history of transportation.  The end gets
    	to be more of an advertisement for GM than an attraction, though.
    	The wind tunnel display is interesting.

    Horizons.  Don't remember much about this one, but it was ok.

    Anacomical Players Theater at The Wonders of Life exhibit.  This is a
    	MUST SEE.  A comedy troupe that does health-conscious skits.  Very
    	entertaining. Don't miss it.

    Body Wars.  Don't take this ride on a full stomach.  I started feeling
    	queasy as the ride was ending.  If you love rough roller coaster
    	rides, you'll love this -- if not, stay away.

    Illuminations.  DON'T MISS THIS.  A spotlight, laser, fountain, music,
    	and fireworks extravaganza at EPCOT closing time.  Unbelievable.
    	Make sure you can see the ball in the center of the pond from where
    	you are standing to view this.  This is a MUST SEE.

    EPCOT World Showcase -- Walk through all the countries to get a feel
    	for what each one has in the way of shops.

    Canada - O Canada (Circlevision 360).  Don't miss this.  Incredible
    	photography and a nice song at the end.  Very well done.

    Morocco - guided tour.  The one low point of our trip.  After being told
    	the tour would start in a few minutes, it started 20 minutes later and
    	the guide was nice but her English was unintelligible.  We ducked out.

    Japan department store.  A woman cracks open oysters and sells the pearls.

    The American Adventure Show.  Don't miss this.  Actually, I had very high
    	expectations of this show and was a little disappointed, but it is an
    	excellent show nonetheless.  Excellent audio-animatronics.

    Norway Adventure ride (Not sure what it's called, but it's the only one).
    	Don't miss this.  A fun ride through the waters of Norway.  The film
    	following the ride is ok, but it turns into a travel advertisement for
    	SAS airlines at the end.
    
Disney MGM Studios Attractions
------------------------------

    The Great Movie Ride.  Don't miss this.  A terrific ride through many
    	Hollywood classics.  Excellent audio-animatronics.

    Backstage Studio Tour.  Very interesting tram ride and walking tour
    	showing props and special effects.  Don't miss this.

    Superstar Television.  A MUST SEE.  Lots of fun.  Audience members act
    	out scenes from famous TV shows.

    Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular. A MUST SEE.  Indy and company act out
    	scenes from Raiders of the Lost Ark.  Great effects.  Don't miss it.

    Star Tours.  If you like rough rides, don't miss it.  I enjoyed it.  Not
    	as rough as Body Wars.  Flight simulator tour of the universe.


Typhoon Lagoon
--------------

    DON'T MISS THIS!!  After a few days on our feet, it was great to come
    here and drift the afternoon away on Castaway Creek.  Even if you aren't
    a beach person (I'm not) this is a great place.  The wave pool is amazing.
    The 5-day super pass included admission here, otherwise it would have
    cost about $19 each.  Towels ($1) and lockers ($.50) are available.

Disney Village Marketplace
--------------------------

    A nice place to shop.  Lots of shops to see.  Next to Pleasure Island.
    Check out the gourmet grocery store, the Christmas shop, and the main
    Disney character shop which offers a 10% discount for MKC members.

Pleasure Island
---------------

    DON'T MISS THIS!!  At night this is a constant party.  It is like being
    at a huge college fraternity party.  We speculate that many locals frequent
    this place.  Interesting looking shops.  We couldn't get in to the comedy
    show, though.  New Year's Eve celebration at midnight looks like fun, but
    we couldn't stay up that late!!

Places to Eat
-------------

    Food at WDW is generally excellent.  BUT, it is expensive.  We estimated
    that meals there cost about 1.5 times as much as eating out in suburban
    Boston costs.  Dinner for 2 was generally $50 to $60.  In the theme parks,
    a soda will cost you $1.50.

    At the restaurants you can charge meals to your room if you are staying
    at a Disney hotel.  A word of warning: if you have 2 people in one room,
    find out who is the primary person listed for your room and only use the
    id card of that person to charge meals.  If you use the secondary person's
    card, it will work but the restaurant will have to call the hotel to verify
    the card rather than just using a computer terminal, and it will take much
    longer to verify.
    
    Here are some of the places we ate:

Disney Inn Food
---------------

    Garden Gallery (breakfast).  Order the buffet.  Everything
    	on the menu is on the buffet.  Actually, the food is only ok here,
    	but it was convenient for us since it was in our hotel.

    Note:  The Garden Gallery offers a 15% discount for Delta frequent
    	flyers -- bring your card.

Magic Kingdom Food
------------------

    Tony's Town Square Cafe (lunch).  We didn't like it.  I got an open faced
    	sandwich which was good, but cold in the middle (obviously not
    	freshly prepared). Very slow service.

    Main Street Bakery (breakfast).  We didn't like it.  My orange juice was
    	bad.  Try the chocolate chip cookies in the front of the bakery.

    Aloha Isle (snack).  DOLE WHIP!!  This is great stuff!  You must try
    	this.  Even though the center is hollow, it is well worth it!

EPCOT Food
----------

    Au Petit Cafe (France, lunch).  Very nice place.  Very good food, nice
    	atmosphere watching the people pass by.  We had the salad nicoise,
    	which is similar to a tuna salad plate.

    Restaurant Marrakesh (Morocco, dinner).  Interesting atmosphere, belly
    	dancer and music.  Good food, we got the sampler plate.  Service
    	was mediocre.  A smaller restaurant would be better.

    Alfredo's (Italy, dinner).  Very nice place.  Tables a little close
    	together.  We got the fettucine Alfredo, which was invented here.
    	Very cheesy but good.  I'd recommend it.


Disney MGM Studios food
-----------------------

    Brown Derby (lunch).  Highly recommended, one of the nicest places we ate.
    	Make reservations.  Carol had the Cobb salad and I had the tuna
    	club, both very good.  Try the raspberry mousse dessert (with the
    	chocolate derby) -- it is excellent.  Excellent service and food.

    Backlot Express (lunch).   We couldn't get in at the Primetime Cafe, so we
    	had a couple of Chefs Salads here.  They were very good.  This is
    	a good fallback place if you can't eat elsewhere, or need to eat
    	quickly.

Grand Floridian Hotel
---------------------

    Victoria and Albert's (dinner).  What can I say?  This restaurant is 5-star
    	all the way.  We ate here on our anniversary.  Impeccible food and
    	service.  Highly recommended.  The lady gets a rose after dinner.
    	Beautiful interior.  If you are at WDW for a special occasion and
    	have a spare $200-plus to spend, this is the place to spend it
    	(dinner is $75 fixed price, menu changes daily).  After dinner, we
    	enjoyed sitting in the Grand Floridian lobby and listening to the
    	jazz band and piano player.

        One note about V&A's.  You get personalized menus to take home with you.
        Make sure when you make reservations that it is clear how you want your
        name(s) to appear on the menu.  Ours were misprinted when we arrived.
        Albert had them reprinted while we ate.  Being a Victorian restaurant,
        they don't know how to deal with couples with different last names.

    Narcoossee's (dinner).  Excellent place to eat.  Excellent shrimp cocktail.
    	I had the salmon fillet which was very good.  Highly recommended.
    	Expensive drinks (Strawberry daiquari was $5.50).
    	

Pleasure Island
---------------

    Portobello Yacht Club (dinner).  Don't miss this place.  Highly recommended.
    	Wonderful fresh seafood in a very nice dining atmosphere.

    Fireworks Factory (dinner).  Another excellent restaurant not to be missed.
    	Casual atmosphere, wonderful food.  The baby back ribs are a MUST!!
    	They were wonderful.  Carol had filet mignon which was very good too.

    Note:  Both Portobello Yacht Club and Fireworks Factory offer a 15%
    	discount for Delta frequent flyers -- bring your card.


Summary
-------

    We had a great time.  Anyone thinking of visiting Disney World should
    go out right now and buy the Birnbaum Official Guide and read it cover to
    cover.  It really helped us make the most of our trip.

    Also, the information posted in this notes conference was very helpful
    to us.  I wouldn't have tried Dole Whip without it!

[end of report]

183.37Whew! These are a lot of typing!FPTVX1::ABRAMSMy home is my CATsleFri Sep 21 1990 13:16487
                                   Presenting
        
                               Our September 1990
                                Walt Disney World
                                   Trip Report
        
                 Bill Abrams (Rochester, NY ACT) and wife Diane
        
        This entry is about 8 pages of reading.
        
        * Things which are of noteable interest are set off in paragraphs 
        that begin with *, like this one.  This includes things which I 
        highly recommend or were sorely dissappointed in.
        
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        Wednesday, September 5
        
        Weather:	Sunny, hot, low 90's.
        Crowds:		N/A.
        
        Got on our USAir flight in Rochester, NY for our 7:20am flight to 
        Syracuse, NY, with a 40 minute connection to an 8:30 Direct 
        flight to Orlando.  We board, and watch a lightning storm from a 
        cozy waiting spot in the middle of an airport taxiway.  At 8:00, 
        we take off, and we are told that "all connections are good."  We 
        pull up to the gate at 8:25, and RUN to the Orlando gate, and 
        find that it's delayed 15 minutes.  No problem.  Until I notice 
        that the right engine has many mechanics around it and many parts 
        laying on the ground.  Not a 15 minute delay, I tell myself.  We 
        watch the departure change from 8:45 to 9:15, to 9:30, to 10:00, 
        to 10:15, and  they finally board us and we take off at 10:30.  
        
        It turns out the engine had an overheating valve which had to be 
        replaced. When it came in to Syracuse earlier, it was apparently 
        greeted by a full complement of fire and rescue crews as a 
        precaution.  Many people on the plane chose to take a different 
        flight.  I figured it was the safest engine in the air following 
        it's repair.  
        
        Arrive Orlando. Boy is it warm. Luggage is intact.  We get on our 
        van to the car rental place (American International, or ai.)  
        Whoops, they don't have a reservation.  They say our travel agent 
        cancelled it two months ago.  All they have left is 5-speeds at 
        $30 more than our original rate.  Our travel agent doesn't know 
        what they're talking about, but all they can offer is another 
        rental company at $20 more for a smaller car.  (a hot ride back 
        to the airport, then to alamo, and we're already two hours late?  
        I don't think so.)  We settle for the the first offer; we'll deal 
        with the travel agent when we get back. (It turns out that ai 
        screwed it up when the travel agent requested a lower rate.)
        
        * Don't use American International car rental.
        
        It's 3pm now.  We drive to the Radisson Maingate, our hotel for 
        the first night (we did this to ensure that travel delays 
        wouldn't cut into our time on-property.  Good thing.)  The 
        Radisson is decent.  We take a nap in preparation to stay up real 
        late, as I have clearance to join a tour to the VIP Shuttle 
        Launch Viewing Site (I belong to the National Space Society.)  We 
        hop in the car at 6pm and head for the cape.  Turn on the radio, 
        just in case... oops.  We turn around, luckily before we get on 
        the long part of the Beeline.  Dinner at the Crab House, visible 
        from I-4 and in a plaza just north of the CrossRoads plaza in 
        Lake Buena Vista.  Good food, but service was not good until we 
        made a minor complaint.  A large party arrived and they thought 
        our waitress could serve this party of 20 and us.  Not likely.  
        Cost $42.00 for two.  Very good seafood.  House specialty is 
        Maryland Bluecrabs cooked in a delicious garlic recipe.  Diane 
        had coconut shrimp done nice and crispy.  
        
        * The Crab House serves very good food at reasonable prices.
        
        Back to hotel, and a late swim.  I had forgotten how nice Florida 
        pools are in the evening.
        
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        Thursday, September 6
        
        Weather:	Sunny, Hot, high of 96.  Whew.
        Crowds:		Very short lines or walk-on.
        
        * Up early, out at 8am to pre-register at the Contemporary. (Show 
        your registration at the toll gate and they won't charge you for 
        parking.  Otherwise, they make you pay and get a refund.)
        
        Check in.  Receive all our goodies (We booked on the Vacation 
        Kingdom plan, 4 nights, plus three extra nights, including 5 day 
        passes, 2 dinners, 4 lunches or breakfasts, one typhoon lagoon 
        pass, and one pleasure island pass, each, and $85DD.  That means 
        Disney Dollars.)  Surprise!  Our room is available.  We go take a 
        look.  Very comfortable.  Two Queen beds, a covertible sofa, a 
        table and two chairs, ceiling fan, two-room bath, large closet.  
        TV has three Disney channels:  the real one, a daily schedule and 
        info channel, and a salesy channel about all the hotels and 
        attractions.  Also CNN headline news.  Perfect.  We're in the 
        north wing, garden view, but we can also see a fair part of Bay 
        Lake.  There is a nice letter inviting us to spend a lot of money 
        at Top of the World Restaurant, plus this curious letter:

                Dear Guest:
                
                In the past month, there has been Saint Louis 
                Encephalitis (SLE) virus activity in Central 
                Florida, and over the weekend of August 25, 
                Orange County declared an "alert." 
                ...
        
        * It goes on to say that they recommend long sleeves, pants, and 
        repellent when outside at night, and explains how to avoid 
        contact with mosquitos, and so on.  What it DOESN'T say is that 
        most outside evening activities are cancelled, including all 
        evening Fort Wilderness activities.  We found out later from a 
        pool lifeguard that one of the women at the Contemporary Front 
        Desk has all the symptoms of SLE.
        
        The entire south wing of the hotel is closed for renovations. 
        River Country is closed from now to Jan 1, 1991 to be 
        refurbished for your future enjoyment.
        
        Off to breakfast at the Character Cafe.  We don't have kids, but 
        we've found that many characters can entertain us big kids just 
        as well, or better.  It's amazing how they communicate without 
        speaking.  The breakfast is a buffet with a lot of good food on 
        it, only $9.95 per adult.  We used one of our coupons. We get 
        visits from Dale, The White Rabbit who's always late, Goofy, and 
        The King Lion from Robin Hood (I can't remember his name.)  King 
        Lion is funny -- he demands you kiss his paw.  When he and Goofy 
        cross paths, he demands that Goofy kiss his paw.  After refusing 
        several times, Goofy delivers a very messy sounding sneeze into 
        his paw instead.  King Lion spins around in disgust and wipes 
        his paw -- on Diane.  Still dismayed, he takes my napkin and 
        wipes his paw up.  I take my napkin back, and wipe it on Diane.  
        The King approves.
        
        We retrieve our luggage. (Clever, you get to tip twice for 
        luggage handling: When they take it and when they deliver it.)  
        Off to Epcot Center by Monorail. At Guest Relations, we upgrade 
        our passes to 7-day Superpasses for $24 each.  This gives us our 
        5 days in the parks and unlimited access to Pleasure Island, 
        Typhoon Lagoon, and Discovery Island for 7 days.  Perfect for 
        us, because we love Typhoon Lagoon, but it's best in small doses 
        to prevent major sunburns.  We also ended up loving Pleasure 
        Island.
        
        * If you plan to structure your days to stay at a park all day, 
        with only one visit to other WDW attractions outside the 3 
        parks, the Superpass may NOT be a good deal.  Get it only if you 
        like to visit Typhoon Lagoon and Pleasure Island frequently.
        
        Spent the rest of the day checking out the new stuff since we 
        were there last:  Norway (good ride), and Wonders of Life.  
        Cranium Command is very entertaining.  Body Wars was 
        dissapointing. It didn't give the sense of motion I expected. 
        Checked out our favorites, too:  Mine -- Horizons.  Hers -- 
        World of Motion.
        
        * Back to Contemporary for a late afternoon swim.  Just in time, 
        the pool is going to close at 6pm?????  What?  Mosquitos?  Well, 
        here's one casualty.  All WDW pools are complying with county 
        order to close pools at 6pm because of the mosquito alert.  Big 
        bummer.
        
        Back to Epcot for a quick dinner.  San Angel Cafe.  Skip it when 
        you go. Food is dried out, and obviously microwaved. $12 for the 
        two of us.
        
        Back to hotel to get an early start tomorrow.
        
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        Friday, September 7
        
        Weather:	Sunny, Hot.  I see a pattern developing.
        Crowds:	None.  No lines.
        
        Simple cheap breakfast.
        
        Spent morning at Typhoon Lagoon.  Saw lots of Europeans in 
        bathings suits that are either skimpy or transparent.  Saw lots 
        of Americans in bathing suits two sizes smaller than they should 
        have been.  I love water parks.
        
        * Lunch and a swim at Caribbean Beach Resort.  Good burgers at 
        the burger place (about $12 for two for lunch).  If you are a 
        resort guest and you swim at CBR, bring towels.  At CBR they 
        don't have towels at poolside like they do at CR, PR, and GFBR. 
        DYGT?  (Did you get that?) They keep the spa VERY hot.
        
        * Off to Pleasure Island at 6pm.  Dinner at the Portobello Yacht 
        Club, at $77 including sangria and tip for two.  One of the best 
        restaurants in terms of service and food quality.  Excellent 
        people and working atmosphere also.  A real pleasure.  Worth the 
        price for this indulgence.
        
        Went to Comedy Warehouse and Adventurer's Club.  Got too crowded 
        (bit local crowds here on the weekend!) so we didn't wait around 
        tonight.  The Comedy Warehouse had a warm-up act which was 
        better than the show (IMHO.)  The show was improv, with about 
        50% being quite funny and the rest so-so.  The British people 
        next to us didn't get a lot of it, I think the show should be 
        careful to appeal to an international audience.  Adventurer's 
        Club is fascinating, but tough to take it in with too big a 
        crowd.
        
        * Back to Comtemporary, took a nightcap at the lounge on the 
        15th floor, with a great view of the Magic Kingdom.  Went out on 
        the observation deck to see Pleasure Island New Year Fireworks 
        at 12:00. Nurse your drinks:  $8 for two drinks.
        
        The Magic Kingdom was running with a private party tonight.
        
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        Saturday, September 8
        
        Weather:	Sunny, hot.  Okay, you can turn down the heat 
        		now. Really.
        Crowds:		Walk-on at MGM in the morning.  15-30 minutes at 
        		the Magic Kingdom in the afternoon.  Waits 
        		longer on children's attractions.  Odd.
        
        Simple cheap breakfast.
        
        * Bus to MGM.  In general, buses were timely and quick at this 
        time of year.  A real pleasure not to deal with large parking 
        lots, trams, and burning hot steering wheels.  Why don't they 
        make steering wheels a lighter color in Florida?
        
        * MGM exceeded our expectations.  I thought it would be too 
        sugar-coated and glamorized, but you do get to see real working 
        production, the tours are quite good, and even the staged stuff 
        is entertaining.
        
        Went on the backstage tour, Great Movie Ride (saw both action 
        scenes because crowds are low) and Star Tours (great!  Much 
        better than Body Wars.)  Saw Here Come the Muppets (targets 
        small children and not adults.)
        
        When it got too hot, took a bus to Magic Kingdom.  Had pizza at 
        Tony's Town Square Cafe.  Food was good, service was unspeakably 
        bad.  Checked out our favorites: Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Space 
        Mountain (for me only).  Saw Dreamflight, new since we were here 
        last.  It's just If You Had Wings with new scenery.  I liked the 
        old one better.
        
        Back to hotel for a swim.  At 7pm, to dinner at Narcoosee's on 
        the waterfront at the Grand Floridian.  Recommended by someone I 
        work with who spent her honeymoon at the Grand Floridian.
        
        * Narcoosee's is a great restaurant.  The food is outstanding, 
        the service is great, the people are friendly.  Used a coupon 
        for a dinner worth $76 plus 15% tip.  We paid only an extra $5 
        tip for great service.  They have the best Iced Tea of anyplace 
        in Walt Disney World.
        
        Our waitress taught us how to discipline children in Florida.  
        The child at the table next to us was screaming, and then 
        investigating the dinner of the six nearest tables.  When we 
        exchanged comments about it with the waitress, we said we'd have 
        taken the kid out of the restaurant at least.  She suggested 
        dropping him over the railing into the lake and yelling "gator!" 
        Our opinion is that unhappy children should be simply removed 
        from the public areas of the restaurant until they are ready to 
        return!
        
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        Sunday, September 9
        
        Weather:	How you feeling'? HOT! HOT! HOT!
        			- Buster Poindexter Song
        Crowds:		Walk-on or only a few minutes.
        
        Magic Kingdom.  Bakery on Main Street for Cookies, muffins and 
        Coffee.  Another round of favorites.  I like the new improved 
        cars on Space Mountain.  When I realized the woman behind me was 
        in line by herself, I said "Couldn't get anyone to go on with 
        you, either?"  She said "My boyfriend's a WIMP!"
        
        Did we skip lunch?  I can't remember! (Yes, Diane tells me.)
        
        Epcot in the afternoon.  Did some videotaping but the battery 
        failed after 30 minutes.  Must be too old to hold a charge.
        
        Dinner at the Odyssey.  Not bad for cafeteria food.  
        
        Watched Illuminations from a not-so-good viewing spot, but still 
        enjoyed the show. Not much change from three years ago.  About 
        time for a new show, I think.  Also, all the greenery around the 
        world showcase is growing in and making it difficult to find good 
        viewing locations.  You would need to stake out a spot over an 
        hour before the show, and that's during the lowest crowd season!
        
        Back to hotel, took in a drink at Top of the World Lounge again.  
        The Magic Kingdom is much quieter tonight.
        
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        Monday, September 10 -- Our seventh Wedding Anniversary.
        
        Weather:	TV reports record-setting heat wave. This is the 
        		third time we have had record setting heat in 
        		September or October!
        Crowds:		Nonexistent.
        
        Quick and cheap breakfast.
        
        To Typhoon Lagoon for the morning.  It's deserted.  Wonderful.
        
        Lunch at the Fireworks Factory.  $25 for the two of us.  Nothing 
        really special, but not bad either.
        
        Did some shopping at the village, tried to replace the camcorder 
        battery.  Got a quote of $55 at the shop in Epcot.  Out here they 
        want $70.  I'll go back to the park!  We go back to hotel, I set 
        out to get a battery from the camera shop inside one of the parks 
        without using my passport. I ask around to find out how I can buy 
        something from the camera shop without going inside the gate.  It 
        turns out you can buy a one day passport as a "Shopping Pass," at 
        guest relations.  It you return it within one hour you will 
        receive a full credit.  I head over, and end up waiting in three 
        extra long lines, and the monorail gets stalled for 20 minutes to 
        take a train off the loop.  The round trip from the Contemporary 
        to the Magic Kingdom Camera Shop and back was an hour and a half!
        
        Dinner at the Portobello Yacht Club again, using our second 
        dinner coupon. Worth $70 plus tip.  Once again, wonderful food, 
        great service!
        
        Then to Pleasure Island.  MUCH LESS crowded, very pleasant. 
        Visited Mannequins (get there for the show when they start the 
        revolving dance floor and lights.)   Went to Adventurer's club.  
        Got a geography lesson from Mille the Maid.  Very amusing.  New 
        Year's is celebrated at 11pm on weeknights in the off season.  
        I've never seen so many total strangers get along so well when 
        the party started.  The atmosphere is electric!  They do a real 
        class act.  I want the job of the guy who gets paid to put on the 
        records in the tower over the street and play "air band" while 
        the records play.
        
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        Tuesday, September 11
        
        Weather:	Hot and Stuffy, but overcast.  Not quite so 
        		knock-you-out and drag-you-around hot.
        Crowds:		Not too bad at MGM, only a few minutes.  Still 
        		pretty crowded (15-30 minutes at Magic Kingdom.)
        
        Cheap and quick breakfast.
        
        Bus to MGM.  Weird driver.  He talked at us since we were the 
        only two on the bus.  We heard all his problems.
        
        *  Saw the Stunt Spectacular -- WOW!  I can't believe they pack 
        so much into a 30 minute show. Don't be deterred by an 
        apparently large line; the theater holds hundreds.
        
        * Saw the animation tour.  My favorite!  It gives you a far 
        better appreciation for the work that goes into one second of 
        animated movie.  Plus, you see real work in progress.  I wish I 
        could have taken pictures.
        
        Saw a few of the same things again, too.
        
        Took a bus to Grand Floridian for lunch at Narcoossee's again. 
        Same weird driver, different route.   Used a coupon for a meal 
        worth $75, plus tip!  We were so full, we couldn't eat any dinner 
        later.  During lunch, the sky got dark and we watched a whopper 
        of a lightning and thunderstorm roll in.  You couldn't see the 
        magic kingdom across the water it was raining so hard.  The 
        lightning was more violent than they usually see down there.  An 
        hour later it was over.  
        
        Took a boat to the magic kingdom.  Finished off some attractions.  
        Took a long nap early evening.
        
        To Pleasure Island at 9pm.  Met up with Laurel and Rich Aroian 
        (See other notes this conference).  I used to work by phone with 
        Laurel frequently.  I saw in the conference that she was going 
        the same time as us!  There were more people tonight, and the 
        party was even better.
        
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        Wednesday, September 12
        
        Weather:	You wouldn't believe me if I said how hot it was.
        Crowds:		Private at World Showcase in the morning.  
        		Walk-on all day.
        
        Monorail to Epcot.  Breakfast at Kringla's in Norway.  Did a tour 
        of World Showcase and some shopping.  Toured latest in 
        Communicore East and West.  A Robotic vision system took Diane's 
        picture and the robot painted it on paper.  Neat.  Studied the 
        map of future expansion plans.
        
        Here are some of the interesting items:  A new highway from the 
        proposed southern Airport Access Highway.  A new North-South 
        Highway on the west side of the World.  Extend World Drive South 
        from US192, loop around to cross US192 further east, and connect 
        to the new South access highway.  I believe they are working on a 
        new set of "back roads."  We found one just finished that goes 
        from the Epcot Access Highway/Village Plaza Road to Vista 
        Boulevard just east of the Fort Wilderness access gate.  I think 
        they're undoing some of the weird routes you have to drive up by 
        the Contemporary, too.
        
        Bought my hand-painted 50th anniversary Fantasia t-shirt.  It has 
        the silhouette image of the Sorceror's apprentice (Mickey) 
        reaching up to shake the hand of the conductor, who's reaching 
        down.  Classy.  I'll wear it once, on October 4 (if you don't 
        know what October 4 is look elsewhere in this conference), wash 
        it by hand, and then I will put it under glass and display it.  
        
        Lunch at the Polynesian Cafe on the second floor of the main 
        hall.  Food was okay, service was below par.  Not worth the $35 
        we paid for it.
        
        After a short nap, drove to Dolphin.  Walked around Dolphin and 
        Swan, but we are not that impressed by them.  I think someone 
        else's trip report called them ugly.  The use of the squashed 
        dolphin or swan on EVERYTHING is cartoonish, not stylish.  The 
        atmosphere was too formal for Disney. (Diane says they are 
        HIDEOUS.)
        
        
        Caught the tram to the International Gateway to Epcot.  Rode by 
        the new Beach Club and Yacht Club Resorts.  They look very nice. 
        
        Did some last minute shopping and attractions.  Decided to skip 
        out before IllumiNations to see the 10pm Comedy Warehouse show.  
        We get to the tram, where the driver says, pick any seat, we're 
        not leaving until after IllumiNations.  Aaacck.  It's a 20 minute 
        wait, or a 20 minute walk.  Oh well.  We wait.  We run, drive 
        quickly but safely, and run again to get to the show, and we make 
        it because the crowds are light again.
        
        There is no preshow.  The skits are mostly the same.  One clever 
        gag:  A piano player starts the show with a medley of Disney 
        classics. When he get's to "It's a small world..." he begins to 
        repeat it over and over and over and over and over and he gets a 
        tap on the shoulder, as his drink is being delivered.  He gets up 
        to take the drink from the waitress and the music continues on 
        without him.
        
        Back to hotel to... pack.  How distasteful. 
        
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        Thursday, September 13
        
        Weather:	Guess.  I dare you.
        Crowds:		Pretty light again.
        
        Finish packing and check out. Character Cafe for breakfast again.  
        Same characters. We lingered a bit, and found the once in a while 
        a character dissappears, reappears, and greets you again with the 
        same routine... aha.  Goofy ties Pluto's ears behind his head.  
        Goofy finds that Diane's head fits neatly inside his gaping 
        mouth.  I hope the picture comes out!
        
        Spent from 10-2 at Typhoon Lagoon.  It's nice to know that 
        Disneyworld has NOT outlawed thong bikinis, even though Florida 
        has on public beaches. (Both men and women were wearing some of 
        the most outrageous swimwear.)
        
        Off to do some shopping along Rte 192.  Lunch at Pizza Hut. Ease 
        into real life again.  Forgot how nice Old Town is for shopping.  
        We love Jimmy Buffet's shop -- it has the greatest nature themed 
        T-shirts and other stuff.  Spent way to much money.
        
        Returned rental car at 3pm.  $137 for 8 days.  To airport.  Our 
        flight is an hour late, it started in Seattle, then to LA, then 
        to Orlando, then Pittsburgh, then Rochester.  Arrived at 11:10pm, 
        only a half hour late.  
        
        It's good to see our kitties.  It was smart of us to clean house 
        and refrigerator before we left.
        
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        General comments on things I haven't commented about yet:
        
        * September is the best time to go.  Low crowds, good weather.  A 
        surprising number of people are pulling their kids out of school 
        to go at this time, though.
        
        * We like the new monorails, except when you have to stand on the 
        long Epcot haul.
        
        * We only saw one brazilian tour group.
        
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        The end.
183.38Trip Report of the CampbellsFDCV07::CAMPBELLMon Sep 24 1990 19:38264
    
                       Trip Report - August 17 - September 4
    
    I know I'm late, but I just got finished reading through everything
    I missed while I was gone from this file.  Now all I have to do is
    remember everything we did.
    
    Who:  Husband, myself and 9 year old son
    When:  Disney August 30 - September 4
    
    Some of this trip report will have things done prior to our stay
    in WDW so bear with me.
    
    Friday, August 17:  Left Logan Airport on U.S. Air at 1:00.  Plane was
     right on schedule, no problems.  Arrived in Charlotte to change plans
     right on schedule, left Charlotte 45 minutes later, no problems. 
     Landed at Orlando at 7:00.  Picked up my sister at the baggage claim
     area (she was meeting us there, she didn't come with the baggage!)
     She arrived from Newark airport 2 hours before us.  My parents had no
     idea she was coming, we wanted to surprise them.  Got our Hertz rental
     car no problem, we were heading down the beeline expressway at 7:30.
     Went to my parents in Ocala, arrive there after a quick stop at Raks
     for a burger, at 9:30.
    
    Saturday, August 18:  Stayed around moms, did some food shopping and
     bought a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle cake for my son who was going to
     be nine on Sunday.  We ended up celebrating that night so we could
     take my sister to MGM (She's never been) on Sunday.
    
    Sunday, August 19:  Arrived at MGM around 10:30, no problems with lines
    and not to hot, very overcast day which helped.  Headed right for Prime
    Time Cafe to make reservations for lunch, ended up with 1:30 seating
    time.  Headed next over to Indiana Jones, which is always great (but I
    agree with previous noters it much better at night.).   Then onto Star
    Tours, it was great, no line walked right in.  Stopped for Ice Tea.
    Then onto Great Movie Ride, waited about 15 minutes.  Next stop Prime
    Time Cafe for lunch.  THey sang happy birthday to my son and brought
    out a delicious carrot cake with candles. Finished up around 3:00 and
    on to Backstage Tour, waited about 20 minutes. Then did Monster Sound
    Show and Animation Tour.  By that time my parents were really tired
    of walking so we stopped had a burger at the old factory down by the
    Star Tours ride, then headed for home around 10:00.
    
    Monday, August 20:  It was very hot so we decided to head over to
    Daytona Beach for some swimming.  The place was empty and the water
    was gorgeous.
    
    Tuesday:  My sister headed off to Universal with a friend from the area
    and we played some golf.  It was tough because if was HOT!!
    
    Wednesday, August 22:  My sister was going home, we left my son with 
    my parents and my husband and I headed to the Marriott Sawgrass in
    Ponte Vendra Beach to play golf for four days.  The place was
    gorgeous!!  If your a golfer, this is a must.  This is where they play
    the Skins game if your ever seen that infamous 17th hole that looks
    like an island.  We had Marriott points so the room cost us nothing.
    Golf was expensive $85.00 a person a round not including your cart.
    I'm not experienced enough as I just started playing last year, so I
    road in the cart with my husband.  The view and the homes along the
    course and just beautiful.
    Friday, August 24:  We went and did some site seeing at St. Augustine.
    Was a pretty city.
    Saturday,August 25:  We headed back to Ocala.
    Sunday, August 26th:  Went back to the beach.
    Monday, August 27th:  Left my parents and headed for Orlando.  More
    free Marriott points, stayed at the Marriott on international drive
    for three nights for free.  Got there around 11:00 and decided to head
    over to Epcot as we had to start our 5 day superpassport in order to
    go to Typhoon Lagoon the next day.  Epcot was very hot that day.  We
    had to drink plenty of fluid all afternoon.  Waits were practically
    nothing.  Headed to the Land, did the LAnd Ride, no wait, then Kitch
    en Kabaret, 15 minute wait.  Right on into Imagination no wait, to
    Captain EO 10 minute wait.  We decided to have lunch in CAnada, no
    wait walked right in.  I love their cottage pie!!!  We then decided
    to do some of the countries since we were out there.  Went into
    American Adventure, Norway (got up to the front of the line and the
    ride broke and we all had to leave).  Then into Mexico.  By this time
    we needed a ice tea break again!  Sat outside Mexico and watched the
    people go by for a bout 1/2 hour.  Then onto Horizon, and into Space
    Ship Earth.  We watched the lazer show from behind Mexico, it was
    pretty good spot.  Still haven't found the idea place to see
    everything.  Then we left with the millions of other people.
    Tuesday, August 28:  We were to meet another DECkie friend at Typhoon
    Lagoon.  We spent the entire day there from 9:00 to 6:00.  It was
    great.  Floated around that creek about 15 times.  Left there to go
    back to our hotel and shower and change clothes.  We decided to meet
    again for dinner at the Character Dinner in the Contempory.  We got
    there around 7:30, walked right in.  Dinner was great!! Characters
    we also good, my son got lots of autographs and pictures.
    
    Wednesday, August 29:  Myhusband had to go into the Orlando office
     of his place of employment to do somethings.  I ended up sick the
     entire day, only left the room twice, once for my son to swim in the
     pool and then when the maid came to clean the room, we went back to
     the pool.  My husband got back around 5:00 and we decided to do
    Daryl's for dinner, then over to Universal.  We knew we would be
    getting free tickets to come back, so why not go at night to see some
    things while its cool. It was a great night.  We headed over first to
    see Ghostbuster, which my son loved, I thought it was corny.  Then on
    to Earthquake, I loved that!! I thought it was the one of the best
    attractions they have.  Then over to ET.  We were on line and the ride
    broke, but we were so close to the ride we decided to stay. The guy
    running the ride said that if we stayed we would get on.  The park
    closed at 9:00 and it was 8:20.  So we ended up standing there until
    9:10 but they finally did getting it running and we did get on the
    bikes.  I thought it was very well done, cute ride.  The walk to the
    ride is wonderful, through the forest.  Then we stopped at Mel's diner
    on the way out and got a milk shake and headed back to the Marriott.
    
    Thursday, August 30:  We leave at 8:00 and head right over to the
    Carribean Beach Resort to check in.  I did end up with a corner room
    but we couldn't get in Aruba or Jamaica, we ended up in Barbados.
    I was bummed but it ended up to be very nice.  We couldn't get in
    the rooms yet so we decided to head over to Magic Kingdom.  It was
    packed!!! This was the most crowd we saw the entire vacation in any of
    the parks.  We headed over to Tomorrow land and did, Delta Dreamflight,
    then Wedway people mover, then into the 360 movie.  We had not seen
    that movie in 10 years so we assumed it had changed.  It did and we
    enjoyed it.  Ice Tea break, then onto Small World, everything else
    in Fantasyland had linesd 45 minutes long, it was to hot to wait when
    we knew we had five days left to come back.  We were hungrey so we
    headed over to Frontierland to Peco's Bills for Burritos and Tacos.
    Then onto Pirates of the Carribean, waited about 15 minutes.  My son
    wanted to do the haunted house so we did that, then decided to go back
    and check into the room.  Not knowing where we were going, we carried
    luggage FAR!!!  That was the one thing we missed having was a bell hop
    carry our luggage like they do in the other hotels.  My son wanted to
    go swimming, so we headed down to the pool with the cannons by the
    Port Royalle.  It closed at 7:00 and it was 7:30.  So we went back
    to the pool by our room.  He was only in about 15 minutes and the
    lifeguards came around and threw everyone out because of the mosquitos
    problems, the pools were closing at dusk.  So we changed and went to
    TGIF's for dinner.
    
    Friday, August 31:  Back to Universal.  Went on Hanna Barbera first.
    That simulator ride to find Elroy (from the Jetson's) was sickening to
    me.  My son loved it.  Then onto Nickolodean studios.  They were
    choosing kids 14-16 years old to be on their new show. We did the
    tour, it was ok, no big deal really.  Then we walked past
    Kongfrontation and it was opened.  We decided to wait on line.  It was
    outside in the sun no shade.  It was 94 degrees and really hot.  We
    waited outside about 20 minutes then you go inside and it looks like
    your walking through the subway station . Its supposed to be the tram
    station at Roosevelt Island in NewYork.  It really is great.  Well
    after a total of 45 minutes we got on the tram.  And let me tell you
    I thought it was the best ride I've done anywhere.  I really loved
    it.  Very well done, they are to be congratulated.  Then onto ET
    again.  My son really wanted to do this again.  Half way over there we
    ran into a thunderstorm so we ducked into MEL's diner for a burger and
    fries.  They have this nerdy guy running around with a soda jerks hat
    on, an apron, white socks, back shoes, black horn rimmed glasses with a
    bandaided holding them together, and we talked nasally.  It was great.
    Food was ok.  Then back to ET, waited about 15 minutes.  Didn't break
    down this time.  Jaws of course is closed for a year.  Then on to the
    Phamton of the Opera Horror Make-Up show.  I thought this was boring.
    Then we went to Alfred Hitchcock show, that I also thought was just ok.
    Then lastly we did Murder She Wrote.  That was pretty good.  All in all
    I can't say anything bad except they need to take some lessons from
    Disney in crowd control.  The people were going under the ropes cutting
    in lines.  It was mostly teenagers.  That was a big problem in almost
    all the lines, and the security cops did nothing.  We left around 9:00
    and decided to hit Hard Rock Cafe for a Pig Sandwich and tee shirts.
    Back to the hotel around 11:00 and decided to go down to Port Royalle
    and have a frozen strawberry dacquri and listen to the guy on the
    guitar.
    Saturday, September 1:  Over to MGM around 9:00.  breakfast at Port
    Royalle first.  My son really wanted to see the Ninja Turtles so
    we headed to that section of the backstage tour.  What a zoo that is.
    Thanks goodness they are only out for about 15 minutes.  They sing two
    songs and sign autographs, that's about it.  My son for three of the
    four.  Then we had never done Muppets new show so we waited about 20
    minutes for that.  It was cute.  Can't wait to see their new 3D one.
    Then of course Ryan had to go back on Star Tours, no wait walked right
    on.  I was a little queezy this time when we got off.  He wanted to go
    right back on again, so my husband took him on and I wait outside. 
    They were back out in 10 minutes.  Then time for lunch, decided to
    just go have a hot dog at the place next door to Star Wars.  Then
    back to the backstage tour. Only did the riding part this time.  Then
    we decided to go back to the hotel and swim for a while.  Went to the
    pool with the cannons.  It was fun!  Decided to have dinner at Port
    Royalle that night, pizza and beers.  It was great.  Then back over
    to MGM for Sorcery in the Sky.  Best fireworks to music I've ever
    seen.  That huge Mickey Mouse that comes up from behind the Chinese
    Theater is fantastic.  Back to the hotel by 11:45.  
    Sunday, September 2:  Had breakfast at the Polynesian Tangora Terrace,
    nothing spectacular, just a ordinary breakfast.  Then decided to
    rent a floatboat.  That was a lot of fun.  We had about 15 minutes left
    on our hour and the boat died and we had to be towed in.  Some little
    kid cut right in front of us on a water sprite and my husband had to
    cut the engine or he would have hit the kid.  He was a little mad to
    say the least.  But one good thing, after we got towed back, they told
    us we could go back  out for another hour.  So we got two hours for the
    price of one.  Then we went over to the Floridian to Narcossee's for
    lunch.  I still had three coupons left for lunch from last year and we
    were told we could use them.  No questions asked.  We had everything
    from soup to nuts, appetizers, soup, salad, 2 1/2 pound lobster, shrimp
    cocktail, deserts, virgin pina colada's or strawberry dacquiri's were
    included.  It cost us nothing except the tip.  It was great.  Glad I
    held onto those.  We then decided to go back to Epcot and try and do
    body wars.  The line was about 30 minutes, so we waited.  I didn't like
    it, it made me sick.  My husband and son liked it, but not as much as
    Star Tours.  Then we decided to see the Cranium Command which was
    excellent.  The other things were really hard to do, the coaches corner
    and the bikes were impossible to get time on.  We then decided to go
    over and walk around Pleasure Island and see the 50/60's car show that
    was going on.  It was great!   All the fifties music, dancing and
    beautiful cars.  We ate at the Firework Factory.  The waiter was
    annoying he was trying too hard, he came back every 2-3 minutes to see
    if we wanted anything.  It got ridiculous.  Then back to the room to
    rest, went back down to Port Royale to listen to the guitarist, play
    some video games, and watched the fireworks from outside.  
    Monday, September 3:  My parents decided to come over from Ocala for
    the day.  They've wanted to eat In Italy, so we made reservations for
    2:00.   We decided to meet them at the restaurant because they didn't
    know what time they would arrive.  So we got over to EPcot around 11:00
    and went on Norway, and stayed and listened to the singers for about
    1/2 hour.  Went on Mexico again, and started to head over to Italy to
    meet the folks.  A thunderstorm hit when we got to Germany, so we ended
    up standing inside there for 1/2 hour until the ran stopped.  Went over
    to Italy and had a wonderful meal.   After that we decided to go do
    Captain EO again because it was starting to rain again.  We upstair in
    the playroom first to kill some time.  My son had a great time in here.
    Then we tried to get in Captain EO, the line was long and it was so hot
    in that standing room that I started to feel sick.  I left and sat
    outside, my parents left also, they couldn't stand the heat and the
    crowd.  We waited outside about 40 minutes for my husband and son to
    come out.  My parents were going to leave to drive back home so we
    walked with them to the gate and said goodbye.  We decided to do one
    more thing.  So we went back to Body Wars and my husband and son rode
    that again, while I watched goofy cartoons for 45 miniutes.  Then it
    was time to leave for the last time.  I was tired and my feet hurt.
    Well we got half way back to the hotel and we decided to go over to
    Magic Kingdom one last time and watch the fireworks.  After the
    fireworks we tried to get on the monorail back to Poilynesian where
    we had left the car and this guy at the ramp said that the monorails
    would not be running for about 1/2 hour and we had to take the boat
    back to the hotel.  Now you know as well as me that those boats only
    hold about 25-30 people, and they're were hundreds waiting.  We were
    very annoyed.  We stood on the boat time for 10 minutes with no boats
    in sight.  I was watching the monorail line.  People were walking up
    that ramp now.  So I said lets go back over there.  So we did and
    walked up the ramp and 2 minutes later a monorail was there.  I don't
    know what that guy was trying to pull, but I was mad.  Back to the
    hotel by 10:30, and went down to Port Royale to get something to eat.
    Tuesday, September 4:  Checked out around 10:00, went over to
    Denny's to get some breakfast, then headed to the airport for a 1:00
    flight.  We were quite early but we had plenty of time to get rid of
    baggage, eat, and relax.  Flight left on time (US Air again, free
    tickets, freqent flyer mileage) landed on Baltimore on time.  Left
    Baltimore 10 minutes earlier, landed in Boston 20 minutes early.
    Went over and got our rental car, drove home.  We were inthe door
    at 7:30.  Getting off the plane in Logan was an experience, the weather
    sure was a lot colder than we had left that morning.  It must have
    gone to 45 that night.  We had no coats and cranked up the heat in
    the car.  At least I wore pants home, my son and husband insisted on
    shorts.  They changed as soon as we got home.  
    
    So another wonderful trip is over.  I really think that I'll wait two -
    three years to go back I started to get sick of certain rides.  And I
    LOVE WDW don't get me wrong, but I think I'll wait until some new
    things arrive.  Any way my husband refuses to go back for three years.
    So maybe it'll be two who knows.
    
    
183.39September 11th-19thICS::THEALLTue Oct 02 1990 15:39244
    Trip Report for the Theall Family
    September 11th-19th, 1990
    
    We are fortunate in that we have been several times and do plan to go
    again that it was not necessary to do everything this trip.  We took
    our time and left several things for January.  Therefore, this trip
    report should be somewhat short.
    
    Tuesday, September 11th
    
    Left the house at 6:15 a.m. drove into Logan (no traffic) got there in
    plenty of time for our 8:30 a.m. flight on Delta ($150.00 r/t). 
    Travelling with us with husband Jim, bother Frank, daughter Samantha
    (still under 2) and myself.  It was suggested that travelling with an
    infant to request bulkhead seats for more leg room (wrong).  I would
    never ask for  these seats again because you can't fold the arms up and
    that meant Samantha had to sleep in my arms, rather than across our
    laps.  
    
    Flight went well, it was non-stop into Orlando and landing on time. 
    Samantha had a little discomfort on descending but it went away after
    several ounces of water.
    
    We picked up the car at National.  The only problem that we ran into
    was the Terminal was brand new and just opened that a.m. at 6:00, so
    they had not had a chance to get the cars over to the new terminal for
    customer pick-up.  It took 15 minutes (not long at all) for them to
    have a car available.
    
    We started our drive to DisneyWorld.  As we got closer we got more
    excited.  Then we realized that we had to stop and get the necessities,
    cooler, milk, cereal, fruit and diapers for the baby.  We stopped at 
    Gooding's at Crossroads.  After shopping was done we proceeded to our
    destination, the Polynesian Village.
    
    We arrived at the Polynesian in a terrible thunderstorm, the rain was
    coming down so hard not one attendant would help with the bags. It was
    about 2:15 and the room was ready for us.  After I explained that we
    had a baby that needed to get out of her wet clothes and into bed they
    agreed to take our bags.  We were in Bora Bora(the non-smoking
    building).  We had poolview and we thought the location was convenient. 
    
    We had easy access to the Great Ceremonial House, just a few quick
    steps to the Snack Bar, a pleasant walk to Tangaroa Terrace and just a
    little further to the Walkway to the TTC.  After staying in Bora Bora
    and looking around for a room that I would prefer, I would have to say
    a lagoon view in Tonga or Morea (sp).  If I had to have poolview I
    would request Hawaii or Oahu.
    
    The rest of the day was unpacking, resting, and relaxing.  We planned
    out the next several days and had a quiet dinner in the room.  We got
    Pizza from the Snack Bar.
    
    Wednesday, September 12th
    
    Samantha slept until 10:00 a.m. so we were in no hurry to get out of
    the room.  If we woke her she would have been crabby.  We all got ready
    and waited for her to get up.  We got to the park at about 11:15.  We
    walked from the Poly to the TTC and took the ferry to the MK.  There
    were no crowds to speak of.  The lines for rides were less than 10
    minutes.  We went directly to Fantasyland and did Dumbo (several times
    this is our daughters favorite ride) then the carousel, Tea Cups,
    Grand Prix Raceway, People mover then Samantha fell asleep so I walked
    around while Frank and Jim went on Space Mountain.  Went to Tommorland
    Terrace for lunch.  Samantha slept for about 2 hours and by the time
    she woke up it would be time for her to eat.  We had grabbed a PB&J
    sandwich for her ahd kept on walking.  Off to get a good place to view
    the parade.  It was at 3:00 we stood at the Main street rotary against
    the rope on the left side facing the castle I don't recommend this
    location.  You can only see what is right in front of you.  You can't
    see down the street nor around the corner.  But it was good enough we
    were right in front and Samantha could see perfectly.
    
    After the parade we got a jump on the traffic and headed to
    Adventureland where Samantha could climb the stairs at Swiss Family
    Tree house.  
    
    I forgot to mention that we saw the Kids of the Kingdom show and
    Samantha liked it the best.  She got right up in front of the crowd and
    danced to every song.  She loved it.
    
    After Swiss Family we walked through Adventureland, Liberty Square and
    back to Fantasyland to do another round of Dumbo and Tea cups.  Then
    off to Main Street for some shopping and onto the Monorail for home
    (POLY).
    
    Had dinner at the Snack Bar and relaxed around the room and went for a
    walk around the Poly before bed.  Once Samantha went to bed Jim and I
    took turns walking around the Poly or shopping in the many stores in
    the Great Ceremonial House.
    
    Thursday, September 13th
    
    Rested all day.  Nothing special
    
    Friday, September 14th
    
    Got up very early and headed over to MGM got into the gates and Frank
    and Jim headed for the Great Movie Ride, Samantha and I watched the
    Theatre of the Stars presentation.  When they got out which seemed very
    quick we ran to Star tours.  First Frank and I went on then Frank and
    Jim went on.  There was no one in line and we got to pick the row and
    seat we wanted.  They asked if anyone wanted to stay on that we could
    ride again.
    
    Then off to the Back Stage Tour.  It was good, but I don't remember too
    much since I was constantly interrupted by Samantha.  I didn't mind
    because she was asking "What's that" so at least I know she was
    enjoying herself.  I tried to focus her attention away from Catastrophe
    Canyon, but I'm not sure why.  We didn't want to take the walking part
    of the tour, since we had done it just last year.  So we headed out to
    the set for Let's Make a Deal.  I was selected as a trader, but not
    picked to do any actual trades.
    
    After Let's Make a Deal we headed down Hollywood Boulevard and decided
    to have Samantha's picture on a magazine cover.  The people were not
    near as patient as they could have been.  It didn't come very good at
    all.  Then we left.
    
    It was still early so we got into the car and headed to Epcot for the
    afternoon.  The first place we visited were the countries.  We walked
    through all of them until we got to Mexico where we had frozen
    margaritas and nacho chips then we went to Body Wars.  Samantha was
    sleeping so when she woke up we went to Imagination.  She didn't really
    like it as much as we hoped she would.  Then to the land to get a
    potato.  I do love those potatos with cheese and bacon.  It was getting
    late and Samantha was tired so we left.
    
    Saturday, September 15th
    
    There were a couple things that we wanted to do at the MK so we headed
    over.  The crowds were much heavier than Wed. so we didn't do too much. 
    It started to rain so we left and went back to the room so Samantha
    could take a good nap. (4 hours later).  We went to the Shopping
    Village for dinner and then over to the Empress Lilly to see John
    Charles.  We have been following him for years.  He had been at the
    Poly Lounge for many years and this time we found him on the Empress
    Lilly.  He gets a much larger crowd and much nicer stage for his show. 
    We stayed there for his entire show 7:30-12:30.  Samantha had a good
    nap and fell asleep in her stroller around 9:45. 
    
    Sunday, September 16th
    
    Today was a day to recover from the night before.  The guys really
    enjoyed themselves.  I think they lost track of the number of 20 oz
    beers after 6 each.  I was the designated driver and responsible for
    getting Samantha up in the morning. 
    
    All we did was hang around on the beach, at the pool and I couldn't
    believe I found Jim and Frank at the pool bar.  I would have thought
    they had had enough for a week.
    
    Monday, September 17th
    
    Another lazy day of hotel hopping.  We got on the monorailand got off
    at the Grand Floridian and had a drink by the water.  Then off to the
    contemporary where we played in the game room for awhile.  I couldn't
    get Samantha away from the horse. 
    
    For dinner we ate at the character buffet at the Contemporary.  I
    highly recommend this for children of all ages.  We were there for at
    least an hour and a half.  Not much eating happened but the characters
    had a lot of fun with the children.  They came over to our table (as
    they did everyone elses) and posed for numerous pictures with Samantha.
    
    Tuesday, September 18th
    
    Our last day in Disney for this trip so we decided to do all of
    Samantha's favorites and Jim's favorite and my favorite.  Frank stayed
    home (poly).  We went over to the MK and did Dumbo, tea cups then went
    to Mickey's Starland.  I didn't like the show near as well as the
    Birthday party.  When we got out of the show you could go over to
    Mickey's dressing room to have pictures taken, but we opted to go down
    near the railroad where all the other characters were out.  We got
    great pictures of Samantha with Pooh, Minnie and others.  But those two
    are her favorites.
    
    Then we headed to do Jim's favorite the Tiki Birds, but we got
    sidetracked when Goofy came up to us while having our Dole whip and
    took Samantha by the hand and began to walk with her around the area. 
    We couldn't believe that she just went.  She looked up at him with a
    look that I hoped only her father adn I would ever see, but Goofy got
    that look of LOVE, and off they went.  He must have spent a good 10
    minutes with just her.  I wish she had been a little older because at
    1 and 1/2 how much will she remember.
    
    We left the MK because nothing we did would ever beat that in her eyes.
    Off to my favorite the Land for my last potato.  We went on the ride,
    then into the Kitchen Cabaret then to the FOOD COURT.
    
    After we went to Horizons and to GM to get the coupon for the free
    video.  It was getting late and we still had the packing to do so we
    left before Illuminations.  I'll catch tat in January.
    
    That night was full of packing, shopping for those last minute
    trinkets.
    
    Wednesday, September 19th
    
    We got up at 9:00 Frank had already been out for breakfast and back. 
    The last of the small items were packed and the luggage was brought out
    to the car.  I went to check out (because I had forgot to do the
    express check).  The line wasn't long and we had plenty of time before
    the flight (so we thought).
    
    We got to the airport (no traffic) at 10:30 for our 11:30 flight.  The
    line to check baggage was at least 50 people long.  There was another
    line about 20 people long I got into the smaller of the two lines and
    hoped I would make the flight.  By the time we checked our bags and
    walked to the tram that took us over to the terminal they had already
    called for pre-boarding with small children.  I still had to check the
    stroller at the gate and get organized for the flight. (Last diaper
    change, bottle of water handy for take-off and landing, gum to chew).
    
    We had the bulkhead seats again and I knew I wasn't going to be
    comfortable.  We took off within minutes of the scheduled time. 
    Samantha fell asleep about 20 minutes into the ride which made lunch
    impossible.  We took turns eating our meals, and saved some of
    Samantha's in case she woke up.  Which she did with a scream of pain
    from out of a dead sleep.  It was obvious to me that she was
    uncomfortable.  We were descending so I attributed her cries with
    change of pressure.  I tried everything I could think of to get her
    ears to pop, but nothing stopped the crying.  It went on for what
    seemed hours but was probably 15 minutes.  When she finally let me hold
    her nose while she blew.  I guess this worked because all of the sudden
    I had a child in my arms that every muscle in her body relaxed at the
    same time.
    
    Other than this minor inconvenience everything else with the flight
    went fine.  Oh yah, except they lost our car seat.
    
    We got all our luggage and noticed that the car seat didn't make it.  I
    went to the claim office and they filled out the paperwork and gave us
    a lender. (Fischer Price very nice)  They returned our carseat at 2:00
    a.m. that morning.  They got my mother out of bed to make the switch. 
    I'm not sure why they did it at 2:00 in the morning when they had given
    us a carseat for use.  Anyway we were not without very long.
    
    I had expected this to be much shorter, but as I got to typing it all
    just came out.
    
    I am looking forward to planning my January trip.
      
    
183.40October 17 - October 23 DNEAST::SYLVIA_KRISTTue Oct 30 1990 15:08207
Trip Report for Kris and Joe, October 17 - October 23

Left Logan at 12:15 on a Delta direct flight...($189 rt) and arrived at Orlando
at 3ish.  We claimed our luggage and bought two round trip Mears Motor Shuttle
Passes ($42 total).  It took us about an hour to get to our hotel with the
driver making one stop at the Days Inn in Lake Buena Vista first to drop off
a family.  Then it was on to the Carribean Beach Resort.  I had booked the
Magic Kingdom Club's Carribean Magic Package with two extra nights at the
CBR.  I figured this would give the two of us plenty of time to see all we
wanted to.  Looking back I wish we had booked one more night.

Joe had been to the Magic Kingdom 3 times before but had never seen anything
more of the World.  I had also been only to the Magic Kingdom,,,,,,many years
ago as a child and also hadn't seen the rest.  We were really looking forward
to making the most of the time we had to spend.  I had prepped for the trip
by reading this conference and also Birnbaum and the Unofficial Guide as well.
Given that we planned this whole trip in only a month, I'd say we made out 
pretty well.

We checked into the CBR and requested nonsmoking, Martinique, king size bed.
We got all but the king size bed.  We had booked a garden view room.  We picked
up everything that went with our package when we checked in and then went over
to Guest Relations to make sure we were all set with our Hoop De Doo reservations
for Friday.  We also picked up some schedules of events and park maps and then 
took a van to our room.  Our porter was real helpful and showed us where the
nearest bus stop was to our room.  He pointed out the features of our room 
including what channels we would get on tv.  He showed us the pool, ice
machine and gave us directions to Old Port Royale.  We spent some time scoping
out the room and then headed over to OPR.  We strolled by the marina, checked
out the food court, shops and main swimming pool, and then headed over to the
lounge where we each had a banana cabana.....(frozen and yummy!!).  We strolled
back to the room after this, ordered a pizze and some beer, planned the day
ahead, made restaurant reservations,,,and watched the second game of the World
Series.

Thursday,,,,,,,Epcot Center

Up early at around 6:30,,,,,,breakfast at OPR and then took the bus over to
Epcot.. At Martinique we were always first on the bus and first off the bus.
Gates opened at 8:30 with only Spaceship EArth and Communicore East and West
open.  Everyone ran for Spaceship earth.  We hung out at communicore East and
made a mad dash for Body Wars at 9:00.  It was okay but not quite as exciting
as I expected.   Then we headed over to the Land and rode Listen to The Land.
I found it VERY interesting.  Next was Captain EO.  We both enjoyed this 
immensely.  Journey Into Imagination was next.  Ofcourse we loved Figment,
but the ride as a whole was a little boring for us.  We skipped into World
Showcase next and started our tour in Canada.  We saw Oh Canada which we
enjoyed.  We strolled through the UK, France, Morocco and Japan stopping in
shops and listening to street music.  We skipped Impressions of France.  We
stopped at the American Adventure and saw this.  It was very patriotic.  We
had lost track of time and got out of there at 12:25.  We had lunch reservations
in Mexico at 12:30.......and we practically ran through the countries between.

Lunch was wonderful.  We got a table right on the water.  Joe had flautas and
I had a combination plate.  Both were very good.  Joe is a big soda drinker and
we loved the fact that at all the full service restaurants we ate at, soda 
refils were free!!  After lunch we rode Rio El Tiempo in Mexico,,and then
Maelstrom in Norway.  I really liked Maelstrom.  Then we headed out of World
Showcase and over to Horizons.  This was Joe's favorite Epcot attraction.  
Cranium Command was next and we both loved this one too!!!   The stars they 
got to play the parts of this boy's body were all perfectly cast.  We laughed
through the whole thing.  It kind of reminded me of The Wonder Years..........
Ofcourse we couldn't leave Epcot without checking out Spaceship Earth.  We were
both disappointed with this one.

We were both beat and headed back to the hotel for a swim and a shower and to
change.  Then we went back to Epcot for 7:00 reservations at the Land Grille
Room.  We loved the food here.  Joe is a very picky meat and potatoes eater
and he had a great steak.  I had roasted pork.  We sat at an upper tier table
as we didn't want to wait for a lower one.  Some of the veggies served with
dinner were grown in the Land.  It was a delicious meal......(about $50 each
of us had one drink, I had an appetizer,,,,no dessert...we were stuffed).  After
dinner we went through the Living Seas and then home to CBR.  We skipped 
Illuminations.


Friday, MGM Studios

We took the earliest bus over to MGM.  They opened the park at 8:30 and we 
started off with the riding part of the Backstage tour.  I really enjoyed this.
We were hungry after this and headed over to Starring Rolls for breakfast.
One croissant, two cinnamon buns, two milks,,,,,$10.  We watched a show on
the stage next door while having breakfast........then we were off.
The Great Movie Ride was my favorite in the park,,,,,,,I loved it!!!!  Then we
did Star Tours which is Joe's favorite attraction in the World.  I really 
enjoyed it too.....ten times as much as Body Wars.  Next was the Monster Sound
Show which was fun and then we acted like fools trying to be picked for Let's
Make a Deal.  We weren't so we skipped the show and went to Superstar TV.  Then 
we killed some time before our lunch reservations by putting Joe on the cover
of a magazine as a great baseball star.  Then off to Prime Time for lunch.
The atmosphere and service were great.....but I found the food to be pricey and
so so.  We had huge hamburgers  ($8) that tasted like meatloaf burgers to us...
but overall we enjoyed it for the atmosphere...and would recommend it.

Longest line of the week after lunch for the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular.
We waited about a half hour.  It was wonderful though and worth the wait.  We
had just enough time to do the walking part of the backstage tour.  Contrary
to much of what I've heard,,,,,,,I thought it was fascinating and was glad I
didn't skip it.  We were running late now though and had Hoop De Doo 
Reservations for 5:00.  We took a bus back to CBR and changed real quick and
then took a bus to MK and then a boat to Fort Wilderness and arrived at Pioneer
Hall at 5:15.  A miracle considering we left MGM at 3:30.

Our waitress was great.....(she loved Joe and kept joking with him and bringing
us pitchers of beer,,,,,,,,,and extra "breasts" for Joe).  We ate and drank
like pigs.  We sat on the balcony and thoroughly enjoyed this show.  It's great
not to have to drive.  I suggested Illuminations afterwards but Joe wanted to
go back to the hotel and crash.  He's still singing the "Hoop de Doo" song...


Saturday,,,Typhoon Lagoon Day

Oops!!!!  The weather looks bad.  We pack for the park but decide to save our
pass and head for MK instead.  Good thing.  It rained much of the day. 
Our other days had been sunny and in the high eighties.  The MK was packed!!
We only waited 10 minutes for Space Mountain,,,our second ride after 
Dreamflight.  Then off to Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.....first time...we
loved this one and labeled it our favorite in the MK.  20 minute wait for that.
Then we did the Jungle Cruise which had been closed the first time I was in
the MK.  I loved this as well.....30 minute wait......I was hung up on waiting
as we had done NO waiting in Epcot or MGM except for Indiana Jones.  Pirates
of the Carribean was next with a 15 min. wait.  We always love this one!!
Next we walked through the Treehouse,,,stopped  for Dole Whip and then off
to the Haunted Mansion.  NO wait!!

It was around 1:30 now and we monorailed over to Epcot and had lunch in the
Farmer's Market downstairs in the Land.  We got lunch at the Handwich place..
about $10 and we each had a great big huge sandwich, chips and drink,,,,
We did the Universe of Energy which was real interesting and then took off
to MGM again.  Love those three park passes.......We saw the Ninja Turtles
cruise down the street as we waited to get into Let's Make a Deal.  Again we
weren't picked but we stayed for the show and were glad we did.  We had a 
great time there.  It was around 6:00 by the time we got out and we headed
back to the CBR.  We decided that tonight would be our free dinner at OPR 
night.  We managed to rack up a $45 bill at the Bridgetown Broiler.  Joe had
t-bone steak, I had surf and turf and he had this great chocolate cake for
dessert and I had carrot cake.  It was a great meal....Off to bed.....

Sunday,,,Typhoon Lagoon...finally

After three days on our feet we needed this.  The weather was perfect for it.
We tried out EVERYTHING except the shark reef.  I didn't do Humunga Cowabunga
but Joe did twice.  We tried every other slide and the wave pool.....but 
loved Castaway Creek the best and spent most of our time floating with
the current.  We'd had enough sun and fun by about one and it was starting
to get crowded.....We grabbed a cold beer and headed back to CBR for a shower
and change.  Then we headed off to Disney Marketplace to shop.  We ate lunch
at Minnie Mia's.  The calzone was delicious.  Joe had pizza and said it was
great!  We shopped and had icecream, checked out PI and then went back to the
hotel for a shower and swim.  Then we went back to PI to the Portobello Yacht
Club for dinner.  I loved it.  The food and service were excellent.  Joe 
didn't find much to suit his taste though and had one of their appetizer pizzas
which he didn't eat.  I had garlic shrimp and it was yummy!! Service and food
delivery were very fast here.....

Monday,,,MK,,,,,final sweep

Got to MK when it opened and made reservations for 12:15 Diamond Horseshoe
Jamboree.  Hung out on Main Street for about a half hour and then took the
monorail to the Poly.......I had been drooling for banana stuffed french
toast since I first read about it in this conference.  WE got to ride in the
front of the monorail which was fun.  We had an excellent breakfast.  Joe had
the buffet and I had that french toast.  We were smiling and stuffed when we
returned to the MK.   Joe had been wanting to ride the railroad so we took
it to Mickey's Starland and walked around.  There were characters everywhere.
We did Mr. Toad's Wild Ride, It's a Small World,,,,,(gotta do it,,,but I'm 
always ready to jump ship by the end of it).  Then I dragged Joe to the Country
Bear Vacation Hoedown,,,,,,which he'd never been to and wasn't too interested
in.  He admitted it was good after we got out.  It is one of my favorites.
To kill time before lunch we went over to Tomorrowland and rode the Wedway
people mover,,,which I enjoyed.....then off to Diamond Horseshoe.  We had
seats right in front of the stage and really enjoyed this,,,,,didn't eat lunch
there though.....When we came out it was raining,,,,we went over and did
American Journeys.  Boy has it changed!!  I didn't like it as much as I did
before.  Then we had lunch at Tony's Town Square Cafe.  It was very good.  
We ordered burgers and they were huge!!!!  Then we headed back to the CBR.
Joe wanted to have dinner at the Steerman's Quarters on the Empress Lily but
they were booked so we made reservations at Chef Mickey's.  We're glad we did.
What a great place to bring kids.  Mickey strolls among the tables while you
eat.  The food was wonderful and so was the service.  Joe and I had fallen
for those chocoalate mints they serve with the check everywhere and had 
bought a couple of bags in the MK that day.   After dinner we headed for PI.

We stopped in and checked out most of the clubs.  We went to one of the comedy
shows.  It was okay.  Then we hung out til 11 and waited for New Year's.  That
was the best part of the evening.  The dancers were good and the fireworks were
nice.  But we were tired and left shortly after to call it a night.

Tuesday,,,bye bye

We hopped our Mears shuttle and had breakfast at the airport.  Hello reality!!
It was an awful meal....and headed back to Boston.
Wednesday we would drive home to Maine.


Overall our trip was wonderful........we were never bored!!!  We saw everything
we wanted to see,,,,,,,but could have used an extra day,,,,,to rent boats
at the marina,,,,,,,,,,,check out the other hotels a little more,,,,,and 
just relax. ......even with 5 full days and  two adults,,,it was a fairly
fast paced trip.  We were treated well by every Disney employee we came across.
We really enjoyed the CBR and would highly recommend it.  The hints from the
reading we had done up front helped us make the most out of the time we had....
and this conference was by far the biggest help.

We can't wait to go again!!!

Kris and Joe
183.41WARNING - VERY long & VERY late trip report!KERNEL::WHITAKERThu Nov 01 1990 16:36510

		Trip Report - August 28th to September 16th 1990
		************************************************


Who:		Andy Whitaker (me)
		Wanda Krywalksi (my "other-half" and also a Digit)
		Addie Krwyalski (sister to Wanda)
		Paul Vince (Addie's boyfriend)
		Marina Krywalski (another sister)
		Andy Kingsman (Marina's boyfriend)

History: 	I have been to Florida 3 times before, Wanda & Marina twice,
		Andy once - first time for Paul & Addie.

Where: 		Private house in Meadow Woods, Orlando (in-between Orlando
		and Kissimmee, off the Orange Blossom Trail).


Disclaimer:	The trip report attached is long and represents our holiday 
		from start to finish (including days at Universal Studios,
		Sea World & Busch Gardens). I do tend to waffle-on a bit, so 
		there is a fair chance that you will find some (perhaps even 
		most) of the following to be crashingly boring. 
		I would not be offended if one of our esteemed moderators 
		decided to give this the 'big E' from the conference, feel free 
		to do so Claude or Len 	if you feel that this 'diary' is 
		terminally long and/or dull.

		There were only 5 Disney days included in our holiday,so if 
		you are only interested in that aspect of it, please read the 
		FOURTH reply on from this one which just includes the Disney 
		days specifically.

		All opinions are obviously coloured by my own personal tastes 
		and preferences. All observations are based purely on my 
		experiences at that specific time.


Right-then, down to business .....


Day 1 - Sunday 26th August
**************************

We left our house near Basingstoke at 6:40am and arrived at Gatwick airport
at around 7:30am. We checked-in and got the first bad news of the day - our
flight was already delayed by 4 hours. We were naturally thrilled by this news
and even more delighted by our 3 Pounds voucher, courtesy of Richard Branson's
Virgin Atlantic airline, which would probably buy us a croissant, based on
previous experience of aiport prices.

We took the monorail to the North terminal and I was pleasantly surprised by
the prices. We had a full breakfast for just over three quid which set us up
for the 5 hour wait we were now faced with.

After sleeping most of this time away, we boarded the plane and took off around
3pm. The flight was not as hideous as I expected, Mr. Branson has rather more
legroom in his planes than usual, which was very welcome as I am over 6-feet
tall. I was disappointed with the cabin crew who were surly and miserable, I 
had expected better from Virgin.

We landed at Orlando at around 7:30pm and proceeded through to immigration to
find that we were third in line - and through in less than 20 minutes, our 
first experience of queuing was a success! We were also lucky at Lindo's car
hire, being the first of several coaches to arrive. I pulled out onto the
Sandlake road just before 9pm.

It then proceeded to chuck it down - luckily I am fairly good at remembering 
directions and was able to navigate reasonably successfully. We got to our
house at about 9:40pm and were delighted with what we found. The house has
been bought by us (a small syndicate of 5) and this was the first time we
had seen it complete. It seems to me that building standards are MUCH higher 
in the US than here in dear old Blighty - and the prices are amazingly cheap.

Late night trip out for pizza & salad from the ubiquitous Pizza Hut, and a 
stop at the local shopping plaza for essential beers, plus the sour cream and
chive potato crisps (chips), that I am addicted to.

Day 2 - Monday 27th August
**************************

Up at 7am to have a look at the surroundings in the daylight, too excited to
eat breakfast ... so did some video-ing and photo-taking in the house, and
spent a blissful hour or two in the pool. Off at 1pm to that great American
institution, K-Mart (we needed air-beds!). Then off to have lunch at Allies
on the 192 in Kissimmee. All you American natives should take time to count
your lucky stars (and stripes:-) .... for the quality and value of these 
types of restaurants. They may be nothing special to you, but if you have 
'experienced' a British Little Chef or Happy Eater, you'd know what I meant.
A massive blow-out ...... tuna salad sandwich + salad bar for me .... and 
the bill for six was $46.

Rest of the day doing the shops ... into Orlando to check-out some furniture
stores, then down to I-Drive and the Belz Mall, where we discovered they have
now built another large covered mall next door. First buying binge of t-shirts
and sports shoes etc etc .... the credit cards are already taking a pounding.

Back home for more pool activities, then into our glad-rags and out to a real
favourite restaurant of ours - Sammy's Spaghetti House. This is a very un-
pretentious place, but it's very friendly, and the Fetuccini Alfredo is mega
delicious. Six MASSIVE meals plus plenty of pitchers of beer for around $75.
This place is situated down the 17-92 (Orange Blossom Trail), if you are coming
from the Florida Mall end, and heading for Kissimmee - it's about half way 
down on the right-hand side - in a small precinct of shops. It is visible
from the road as it's the last unit in the precinct. If you go past the
Gatorland Zoo, you've missed it - well worth a visit!

Day 3 - Tuesday 28th August - Sea World
***************************************

Up at 6:30am to find that Wanda has managed to pour washing-up LIQUID, into
the dishwasher. Call me old-fashioned if you will, but getting up at 6:30
after going to bed at 1am is NOT exactly going to put me in the best of
moods. There was foam EVERYWHERE in the kitchen and it took several wash
cycles and mucho baling-out to clear the thing inside!

Out of the house at 9am and off to Sea World (Wanda's favourite as she is
obsessed with dolphins). Decided that food was essential first, so we de-
toured to Gilligan's on the 192, for their breakfast buffet - $28 for six
and very tasty.

Got to Sea World at 11:15 and went straight into feed the dolphins. After
that we went on the 'tour' of the shows. They are much the same as I 
remembered them apart from the Sea Lion & Otter show which now has a new
5000 years BC set. This was a good show .... and they had a female mime
artist taking the rise out of people as they came in .... that's always
the best part of the show for me. She came near us, and I almost had 
heart failure - but she only wanted to borrow Andy's camera! 8 out of 10.

Of the rest of the shows ... Shamu is ok, about 7 out of 10. Dolphin & 
Whale is getting to be boring now (same routine & jokes with the kid who 
goes out to meet 'Starbuck'). Too schmaltzy for me, so it gets 5 out of 10.

We then made the mistake of going to see the water-ski show ... this was 
painful and embarassing to watch. The songs & jokes are naff - not even
cornily laughable - and the dancing was reminiscent of amateur night at
the Wheeltappers & Shunters Social Club. 2 out of 10 for the skill of 
the people in the motorboats.

We left Sea World in late afternoon and went to K-Mart again for beers and
other sundry items. This was where I saw my first boxing match of the 
holiday ..... it took place outside the doors of K-Mart and involved about
6-8 idiots who should've known better. It started as we were driving out of 
the car park ... and the police were coming the other way just a few minutes
later - quick work! 

Home for a dip in the pool and then out to Sizzler (again on the 192), this
is un-doubtedly the best value place to eat in our opinion. The buffet court
is huge ... and for $7 a head .... you get to go as often as you want. It's
not just salad .. it's pasta, pizza, tostada, fresh fruit, puddings, hot
appetizers, fried chicken wings, soup ... etc etc etc. I made the mistake of
ordering all-you-can-eat shrimp as well - luckily the Whitaker stomach is
capacious, but even I felt like I'd been force-fed for a week by the time
we left. 

We waddled into the house at about 11:45pm ... more beers, read the Orlando 
Sentinel ... then off to bed.

Day 4 - Wednesday 29th August
*****************************

This was Addie's birthday and we went off to Cocoa beach ... we stopped at
a diner which is part of the Howard Johnson hotel, on the beach. It's 
called Herbie K's ... and we'd been there before and enjoyed it, and we 
enjoyed it this time too. When they heard it was Addie's birthday they 
brought a tiny chocolate cake with a candle .. and sang her a song. Mega-
embarassing to us shy, retiring Brits ... but appreciated.

Rest of the day on the beach frying ...... then down to Ron Jon's to get 
yet more T-shirts and bargain Levi 505's.

Home at about 5pm to give Addie her present and birthday cake, off to a new
chinese called China Court - on International Drive. It was a nice place,
they must have spent plenty on the decor ... but the food was bland. The menu
SOUNDS gorgeous (mentioning plenty of spicy, hot stuff which I like), but the
actual flavour was un-inspiring. At least there were some vegetarian meals
though, they normally appear in very short supply in Orlando.

Day 5 - Thursday 30th August
****************************

This was a lazy day .. we had breakfast in the house (corn dogs & corn flakes
for some!). Then the lads went off to try out one of the two golf-courses.
We played the Buenaventura Lakes course and I had my first experience of hiring
a golf cart .. this was good - forget the golf, just let me play in the cart.
Clubs and cart cost $8 each ... green fees are free as we are resident home-
owners. It was great - hot & sticky ... the woods rang with 'colourful English
phrases' as we managed to lose 12 balls between us.

Back to pick up the girls at about 5pm .. and decided to go and try Captain 
Nemo's, along the 192, not far from the Disney exits. This was the WORST
rip-off meal of the holiday. The so-called shrimp in garlic sauce tasted of
absolutely zilch .. and the service was rushed. It was $15 a head, which isn't
exactly gourmet prices, but compared to other restaurants it was appalling.
Interested to hear if others have had better experiences here as it always
seems to be popular.

Day 6 - Friday 31st August - EPCOT Centre, at last!
***************************************************

We took a vote ... and most people wanted to go to EPCOT first, which 
was ok with me as it's my favourite. We got to the gates at around 9am
and had the pleasure of chosing whichever empty ticket booth we wanted.
No queue to get in .... and when we did enter, it was (compared to my
previous visits) empty! I had carefully researched Birnbaum over many long
hours, back in the UK, to make sure that I was totally and utterly prepared
for long lines and queues ... only to find there weren't any. The plan was
kicked into touch and we just strolled along going in whatever took our
fancy. 

o Spaceship Earth. A slight wait while the girls went to the loo, then
  straight onto the moving queue and up the ramp and in. I enjoyed this
  much more than the one other time I'd ridden it. Perhaps it's because
  the last time was at the end of the day, and I was knackered, it just
  seemed more enjoyable ... and that tune at the end is still instantly
  rememberable ("tommorrow's child' etc etc). 8 out of 10.

o Wonders of Life. This was my first time in this attraction and I think
  it's excellent. From an aesthetic point of view, I loved the inside,
  so many colours and well laid out. Straight into Body Wars, no line,
  just a wait while the previous crowd were riding (they were only using 
  two of the simulators). It was enjoyable, but not that thrilling. I 
  felt the film was so-so and didn't give any real feeling of moving 
  rapidly. It is quite jerky, but not long enough to cause anyone any
  harm I think.  7 out of 10.
  Cranium Command was something I really enjoyed. I liked the pre-show
  cartoon and I found the film and audio-animatronic pilot to be really
  well-done and funny. Better than Body Wars by far. 9 out of 10.
  Here's a real bad admission to make, but I have to say that although
  I love going to WDW, I'm not exactly mad about the Disney characters
  indeed I prefer the Hanna Barbera ones! ... BUT! ... Goofy is an 
  exception. You can keep your Mickey's & Donald's, Goofy is in a 
  class by himself. His Goofy About Health booth is really good for
  a Goofy-phile such as myself. I got pulled away by the rest of the 
  party, but I returned at a later date for more.
  
  The rest of the exhibits are fun too, I didn't bother seeing The
  Making Of Me ... from what I'd heard through this conference, I 
  wasn't desperate to see it. Generally 9 out of 10 for W.O.L.

  We went to eat at the Odyssey restaurant because it catered for 
  vegetarians (well, it had a salad bar ... and it sold fries), we
  started eating and then about 5 minutes later all hell broke loose.
  There was a character show starting and the music was so loud it 
  nearly made my ears bleed. There were only about 10 other occupied
  tables in the restaurant, so we got plenty of attention (Goofy
  included) ... I almost got converted into liking the rest of the
  characters ..... Minnie was a lovely mover!

  Onto World of Motion which is another real favourite, I particularly
  like the bit where you go slowly down a 'tunnel' and the film which
  surrounds you makes you feel like you're travelling fast - a really
  good effect ... even made me feel a little queasy, I like that.
  8 out of 10. 

   Horizons next ..... I like the big-screen film portion of this and 
   also the audio-animatronics, particularly the neat bit where the 
   boy & girl talk to each other on a video-telephone link, and you get
   to see them both, with the other one showing on the screen (if you 
   catch my drift). I like watching the people in the other vehicles
   when we got to the area where the orangey smell is .... everyone 
   nudges everyone else and points to their nose. 
   Chose the undersea ride home and it gets 8 out of 10.

   Straight into Universe of Energy ... I don't enjoy the pre-show film
   as I think it looks amateurish, especially if you already know what's 
   to follow. We got front row seats on the right-hand side of the big 
   moving cars, so we followed the other side into the swamp. This is
   the saving grace of this pavillion, if it wasn't for the atmosphere
   of this part and the impressive dinosaurs, I wouldn't bother. 6 out 
   of 10.


   We then took off for the World Showcase ... I love walking around here,
   although the shops can get a bit wearing after a while. Into Mexico 
   first, I really like the night-time atmosphere in here. Always one 
   of the best to walk around, there is quite an interesting exhibition
   of historical artefacts near the entrance. The ride itself (Rio del
   Tiempo), is a bit tacky compared with others. One thing, I always 
   thought that some Disney noters were prone to exaggeration when they
   say that some of the tunes remain in your brain for a long time ... now
   I know it's true. As I write, that bl**dy tune is cackling away in
   the Whitaker bonce!!!!! The only bit of the ride I like is the 
   character at the end who appears to be 'chasing' the boats to make you
   buy something ... got to admire his persistence. 7 out of 10 for 
   atmosphere.

   Into Norway next, and straight onto Maelstrom ... this is one of my
   favourites ... it's a bit short, but I like the pitch-black start it
   has ... and the backward motion, and then the fairly quick downward
   ride. It's not exactly heart-stopping, but it amuses me. We skipped 
   the film portion at the end of the ride and had a look around the shop, 
   which was hideously expensive.  8 out of 10.

   Paul and I were thirsty by this time, so we ran ahead to Germany for
   a beer ..... $3 for a glass! .. no-way! we could get 12 cans of Old
   Milwaukee for that, forget the quality, I go for quantity.

    Yet more walking and we come across China .. this is where I discover 
    that I really don't like the films in EPCOT ... we had to wait until the 
    previous show was finished ... and then we were treated to a l-o-n-g
    film hosted by a fake 'Chinese' poet .. who looked remarkably sprightly
    for someone who claimed to be several 100's of years old. 0 out of 10
    for the film, but 7 out of 10 for the general architecture and the 
    excellent shop which, in stark contrast to others, has some really
    good quality, cheap merchandise.

    Into the USA building next .... and were unlucky enough to just miss a
    show ..... walked in and were told quite rudely by one of the staff
    that we 'shouldn't have used that door anyway' ... I thanked him for
    his pleasant welcome and assured him that I would make absolutely
    certain that I wouldn't commit such a terrible faux-pas again.

    NOW THEN, I remember one of our moderators (I think it was Len), 
    writing somewhere in this file, asking a rhetorical question as to
    what the foreign visitors to Disney thought about some of the overt
    patriotism at some of the attractions. Well I have to say that this
    pavillion made me feel very 'foreign' ... the Liberty Singers came
    out and began going on about some 'real patriotic songs to gladden
    our hearts - join us and show how proud you are to be American'
    .... he carried on in this manner for sometime, exhorting us to 
    gather round. Now i'm not exactly enamoured of over-the-top
    patriotism - however much the country might deserve it - and that
    goes for the UK too. I found that the atmosphere generated almost
    made me feel unwelcome ... and although the singing was of a marvellous
    quality, we all decided to leave. Next time I'll try to time it so
    that we miss the singing and can go straight into the show, because
    I do want to see the audio-animatronic figures that other noters 
    have raved about. Don't get me wrong, this is not a dig at American 
    patriotism, we have an 'event' over here called The Last Night Of The
    Proms (these are the Promenade concerts at the Royal Albert Hall in
    London), it is basically an evening of jingoistic, patriotic English
    music ...... and it gives me the same feelings as the Liberty Singers
    did. All IMHO of course, if others enjoy it, fair enough.

  Right then, on with the show .....

  Yet more walking, stopped at the refreshments kiosk just past USA and 
  had some lovely yoghurt ... into the Japan shop and noted the good
  value of the Bonzai trees ... $10 is cheap compared to the UK. On
  further to Morrocco to watch the enthusiastic dancers, how they do
  it in such heat is beyond me.

  We are getting mega-tired by now and tempers are shortening, I wasn't
  impressed by the prices again at the UK Rose & Crown pub $4-50 a 
  pint is well over the top .... and rumour has it that it's served COLD
  ... is this true?



  We persevered and arrived back at the Future World pavilions. Straight
  into the Captain EO pre-show ... this is definately the most nauseating
  thing in the entire WDW ... I hate that film! The singing grates on me,
  as do the 'cute' kids. BUT .... we took the advice of other noters and
  aimed for a centre seat, towards the back of the auditoreum for the EO
  feature. This was great, definately the best position to watch it from.
  The effects were brilliant and I enjoyed the film more than ever before,
  it made up for the naff pre-show, and what a sound-system! 9 out of 10.

  The Journey into Imagination ride with Figment and Dreamfinder is yet
  another of my favourites .... pure fantasy in parts, and another one of
  those tunes that get to you.  8 out of 10.


  We walked into the Land pavillion at about 5pm ... and met our first 
  queue! .... we were really tired now and decided to leave it until
  another night. 

  We went into Communicore West to play for a while. The guy on the tele
  conferencing machine was funny ..... he didn't let anyone just stand and
  look at him ... he wanted to talk!  Went to the information counter
  and got quoted two different times for the last night of the Magic
  Kingdom night-time parade, decided to play-safe and get there for the
  earliest one.

  We decided to go back home for a wash ... out for a quick bite and then
  off to the MK for the parade. We walked out to the car (we were in row
  7) ... and it was roasting hot ... Andy was driving and he opened the
  doors and switched the a/c on to cool the thing down. We stood outside
  chatting ... and heard the rumblings of a distant thunderstorm, so we
  decided to get in the car. I saw Andy's face as he tried the door .... he
  hadn't actually unlocked the car .... he'd locked it! ... with the keys
  inside, and the engine running. We were saved by yet another example of
  how well Disney do things. The car-park has several guys who drive up &
  down looking for people in trouble ... and we sure were, as the thunder
  storm was getting ever closer. Anyway, he radioed for assistance and
  told us a 'lockman' would be along in about 20 minutes ... which he
  was ... and just in time, as the rain was just starting. He got us into
  the car no problem, AND refused a tip. Excellent service.


  We went home and washed and then went out to Sizzler on 192 again (you 
  can tell it was one of our favourites). Andy drove us back to WDW, in
  through the car-park entry .. then he had a brainstorm or something,
  and instead of going straight on to the parking area, he veered right 
  on the service road to Fort Wilderness. Now I don't know my way around
  there as I've never wanted to pay the outrageous prices that Disney
  charges for accommodation ... and we got lost, no matter how we tried,
  we didn't seem to be able to get back to the parking lot. After about
  20 minutes of ever-rising anger we stopped at the security gate for
  FW and the gentleman there gave us directions to get back in.

  We got to the MK, just as everyone was leaving ... we saw about three
  fireworks from behind the chain-link fence at the TTC !@#$#!$!!@$%@$^
  As it was the last evening the MK stayed open late, it looks like we'll
  have to wait until next time to see it.

  What else could we do? .... back home to drown our sorrows in cheep &
  cheerful Old Milwaukee, and Geyser Peak red wine.


Day 7 - Saturday 1st September
******************************

Basically just a lazy day at home .... but with a morning tennis session
thrown in. Highly embarassing, my mastery and skill at tennis is equivalent
to my skill as a brain surgeon .... but great fun nevertheless.

A trip to Sizzler YET again in the early evening (we were looking for an 
Indian meal, but the two local ones were either shut, or full). Our plan
was to go to the flicks at the Osceola (sp?) East cinema ... and Sizzler
is close by, so in we went. 

Went to see Darkman, which was being heavily plugged in the press, not a 
bad movie - but it had a rather nasty chap in it who had a penchant for
removing people's fingers with a cigar-cutter - NOT someone to take home 
to tea with mother. 7 out of 10 for the over-acting of the star of the
film (Liam Nielson???) 

Home for the usual, beer, cards & read the Sentinel.

Day 8 - Sunday 2nd September - Disney Village
*********************************************

This was a designated shopping day, so we began it by nipping up the 17-92
to the Florida Mall. We spent a couple of hours walking around and of course
partaking of the wide variety of nosh available at the food court (a date &
walnut sandwich from the Nature's Table for me, another personal favourite).

After buying some Ray-Ban sunglasses at around half the price we'd have to 
pay over here, we decided to go to the Civic Centre as there was a 'Home &
Sports Exhibition' .... well as we approached, there was a HUGE downpour
and we were too wimpy to run in through the rain ... so we decided to drive
over to the Disney village instead.

As we parked, I caught a glimpse of a beautiful, red '56 Chevy. I am VERY 
interested in classic American cars (I'm determined to get one when I've 
saved enough pennies to be able to afford the freight fees), so I naturally
rushed to get a picture of it. We don't see too many of those cars over here
so I felt quite pleased with myself .... until we walked into the Village
itself and saw that there were similar cars all over the place. It was a
classic car show, packed full of 50's & 60's motors .... and plenty of custom
jobs as well. Now this was just too good to be true as far as I'm concered,
Disney AND classic cars in one location was almost too good to be true.

While everyone else was 'flashing-the-plastic' in the stores, I was outside
taking pictures of Corvettes, Bel-Airs, Thunderbirds, Cobras etc etc. I didn't
get to do too much shopping, but I thoroughly enjoyed myself. 

Addie got herself an M-M watch, and as usual there was a t-shirt buying spree.
The place was very crowded despite the rain that fell in regular showers. We
sauntered down to Pleasure Island as I'd never been there before ... but my 
mind was so full of all these amazing cars that I just wanted to go back and 
ogle the rest of them. This was definately one of the highlights of the holiday
for me.

We drove out at around 6 pm, back to the house to change, then off to try to 
get in at the Olive Garden, but it was packed with a 45 minute wait. Being
cheapskates (I believe we Brits have a reputation to keep up here), we elected
to try Duff's Smorgasbord, along the 192 ...... A-Y-C-E for $7, definately NOT
gourmet standard - but plenty of plain good nosebag, on a revolving serve-
yourself counter. Some 'interesting' characters in there as well, particularly
the guy who came into the loo when I was in there, singing Elton John's "It's
No Sacrifice At All" ... at the top of his voice. 5 out of 10, because he 
couldn't hit the high notes.


Day 9 - Monday 3rd September - Labor Day
****************************************

I'm still not sure what Labor Day is all about, even though I was there, anyone
care to enlighten me? Anyway, we decided to go to the beach, despite warnings
about it being packed. We set off for Daytona Beach at around 9am and stopped
at a diner on the road behind the beach - buffet-style breakfast, A-Y-C-E for
$6.

Another first for me when we drove onto the (uncrowded) beach, I was expecting 
hordes of people, but we drove for a few minutes and found a clear space, no
problem. Daytona Beach is so long, that I find it hard to imagine it ever 
getting crowded ... perhaps it is during the infamous Spring-break?? 

As I don't enjoy sunbathing .... I spent over 3 hours in the sea with Andy and
Paul, hiding the pale skin and ever increasing beer-belly. Good fun though, it's
amazing how much enjoyment a li-lo and a frisbee provides!

We left the beach at around 4pm and went to Kahlua Jim's Surf Shop for yet MORE
t-shirts and I managed to get an immensely baggy pair of cheap bright blue knee 
length shorts, which complemented my carefully groomed 'complete & utter nerd'
look, perfectly.

Drove back to Orlando (took about 1 hour 20), and went straight to the Olive
Garden on the 192. It was freezing cold in there ... they take the prize for
the fiercest air conditioning of the holiday. The cost for 6 was $90 and the
food was good, but not spectacular. I had shrimp linguini (I am a 'demi-veggie'
... I will eat fish, but not meat. Wanda is a total veggie, this does cause
problems in some of the restaurants we went in), this was tasty, but the garlic
sauce was quite tame.

183.42second installmentKERNEL::WHITAKERThu Nov 01 1990 16:40288

WARNING - please read the introduction to the previous reply which contains
	  a 'boredom warning' - before reading further.


If you are determined, waffle-resistant and haven't anything better to do 
- read on!


Day 10 - Tuesday 4th September
******************************

This was to be a 'business day', we had some loose ends to tie-up, concerning
the house. This involved visits to the property management company, the 
furniture rental people ... and also such salubrious places as Circuit City
and the ubiquitous K-Mart, to cost-up appliances and other items of furniture.

This unfortunately took-up most of the day, lunch was an appalling piece of
cardboard, masquerading as a MacDonalds 'Fillet 'o' Fish' .... never will I
risk such a revolting item again. Bought at the MacDonalds on the corner of
Sand Lake road and North Orange Blossom Trail - I know all of these places
are supposed to be the same, but this one was (I hope) unique - avoid it at
all costs.

We decided to get take away pizza from a shop called 'Little Caesar', at our
local shopping plaza (Ventura Woods) .... this is an interesting place where
it appears to be impossible to walk out with one, single pizza. I paid what 
I thought was a reasonable price for a monster-pizza, and ordered a couple of
extra toppings. The lady behind the counter asked me if I wanted the toppings
on both pizzas .... despite me protesting that I'd only ordered one, she 
insisted on giving me a free one. An interesting concept, but gratefully 
received - we dined on pizza for two days instead of one.

This was also the day we got visited by the 'old bill'. We had just finished
eating, and the girls were outside sunbathing by the pool, when I heard them
talking to some-one ... and then in came a policeman! His name was D/S Richard
Zachorewitz, from the Orange County Sheriff's Office. He was investigating the
theft of some appliances from one of the neighbouring empty houses and he 
wanted to know if we'd seen anything. Well it turned out that two of us had!
There had been a white pick-up, parked out the front of this house on the 
previous Saturday, Andy had gone outside for a smoke and seen two men loading
boxes onto it - they wore 'uniforms', so he didn't suspect anything. It turns
out that these must have been 'thief-uniforms' becuase they'd broken into the
house through the garage, and nicked the cooker, washing machine & fridge.

Andy gave a statement ... and we checked our video to see if we'd managed to
be lucky and get the people on tape, but no luck. This was rather worrying as
our house had been empty for several months .... but nothing had been touched 
there. I talked to a local contact after we returned and it turned out that 
there were some construction workers in on the scam, that's how they gained
easy access to the houses.

Something else that I found unsettling was the sight of the officer carrying
a gun in our house ...... I guess we're still not used to police being armed,
and I hope it stays that way!

It made for an exciting end to the day at least.


Day 11 - Wednesday 5th September - Magic Kingdom
************************************************

I know, I know ... Wedneday isn't supposed to be a good day, but after seeing 
the small crowds at EPCOT, we figured it wouldn't be too bad - and we were
right, I've never seen it so quiet.

We were at the TTC for 9am and walked straight onto a boat that was waiting.
Not even a delay getting in through the gate ... and we went over to the front
of the City Hall where the characters were 'doing-the-business' ... Addie &
Marina insisted on having a photo with each character, so we waited while they
did that.

Addie was desperate to try a roller-coaster, so we made a bee-line for Space
Mountain, we got there only to find two attendants telling us it had just 
broken down!@#$!@$$%~$@%$#$!$#$#%#$ ..... we decided to catch the Skyway to
Fantasyland, walk through past the Yankee Trader and into the Haunted Mansion.
As we went over F-land, we were treated to the sight of a drained & dry 20k
Leagues Under The Sea (closed for cleaning), it sure didn't look 20k Leagues
deep to me - are Disney being a little economical with the truth here? :-)

We descended and walked around to the HM and went in ...... I really love this 
ride and when I think of WDW, it's either this, the Pirates, or Horizons in
EPCOT - that I can imagine myself on, most clearly. Here's a couple of trivia-
type questions that occured to me while I was on the ride:

1) When you get to the 'haunted hallway' where the doors are creaking open,
   and the 'ghostly knockers' (!) are banging away ..... what is on the wall-
   paper surrounding the doors? 

2) When you leave the ride .... what is the LAST thing the female ghost above
   the exit, says?

I hope they haven't been asked before. 9 out of 10 because I like it.


Right-then ... out of the HM and a brisk walk around to the Big Thunder Mountain
Railroad, to satisfy Addie's roller-coaster desire. Again, there was no queue,
just the time it took to walk through and down to where the trains are. We were
at the back of the train unfortunately, perhaps that's why it didn't seem as
fast as the previous times I'd ridden it ... but still enjoyable nevertheless.
Paul actually taped as we went along ... on viewing the film since .. it doesn't
look brilliant, because all he got most of the time was my shoulder (nice though
my shoulder is, it hardly makes for scintillating video) ... but the sounds that
we and the rest of the people were making are worth listening to! I've never 
ridden the BTMR at night, according to this conference, that's the best time. I
will make sure I do next time. 8 out of 10 for the screams.

From BTMR, we went past the railroad station ... AND past a woman who was 
holding her (approx. 3 year-old), son up off the ground so that he could 'do
what comes naturally' over the floor! This pleasant sight was just outside 
the Golden Galleon gift shop ..... look out for her when you next go, another
attraction not to be missed! (well it made me laugh anyway). We walked through
El Pirate Y el Pericolo to inspect the grub, but decided against and went down
into the Pirates of the Caribbean. It's so lovely and cool in there, I really
like the bit where the galleon is being fired at .... and where the pirates
in the gaol are trying to get the dog to bring the keys over ... AND I 
remembered that someone had said you could see hair on the pirates leg who sits
on the bridge above the boats .... so I had a good look up his trouser leg, and
sure enough, there it was!  We had a delay at the end so we were looking at the
last scene of the room with all the 'treasure' in, for quite some time. It's
amazing how much you miss, even if you've been on it a few times before.

Does anyone share the same temptation that I do? (!) .... when you go around
these rides, and you see areas where it would be SO easy to get out and walk
around the figures and scenery .... the temptation to do it is STRONG, I 
nearly leapt out and whipped the keys out of the dog's mouth, so that I could
throw them to the locked-up pirates ..... knowing Disney, they'd probably
get out too. But as we hadn't been in that long, I didn't want to get thrown
out myself, so I resisted the temptation. I wonder if it's ever been done, 
and if so - what happened to the guilty party that did it? 9 out of 10 for
the pirates hair.

The stomachs began their all-too-familiar rumbling, so we went into the 
Adventureland Veranda for lunch. The food was pretty grim and definately not
worth the money, I had egg fried rice and shrimp lo-mein. The others had 
chicken sandwiches of some description which were apparently not bad. I then
went next door to try the now famous (thanks to this file), Dole Whip. Well I
think that all I had read about it probably gave it too much of a build-up. I
DID find it refreshing, but not quite the ultimate experience I had been 
expecting - having said that, I would probably make sure that I had another 
one next time I go, perhaps it's addictive?? 

We gave the Swiss Family Treehouse a miss as it's one of those 'seen once,
don't bother again' attractions - and we went off to try the Jungle Cruise.
This was the ONLY queue of our day ... over 30 minutes to get on. Now, I really
think this is not worth the wait, the cast member's spiel was naff and no-one
on the boat paid him much attention .... it was embarassing for him really
when he kept ducking down in a 'panic' to avoid the 'dangerous' animals that
lurk the river-bank. Do they ever change these routines I wonder? .... it 
seemed the same as last time to me. I quite enjoy the trip and the scenery, but
I don't think I'll ever bother to wait 30 minutes for the privilege in the 
future, unles I'm with some-one who's never been before.  5 out of 10 for 
the scenery.


Addie was adamant that we go back and try Space Mountain .... being a notes-
file-trained expert on such matters I was against it, telling her that there
would be an enormous queue by now .... but I was out-voted ... and then made
to look a complete & utter plonker as we walked in, and straight to the front 
of the 20 person queue! Now I wasn't too thrilled the last time I rode this,
but this time I thought it was GREAT. We decided to visit again later on,
I thought it was the best ride I'd ever had on it and was keen to go straight 
back on, but there was obviously much more to see. 9.5 out of 10.

From SM, we walked across to the Carousel of Progress. I really couldn't 
remember this one at all ... I thought I'd covered everything on my previous
visits, but this was a new one on me ... I'm sure it's not new, I guess I 
just can't have bothered before. Well, it's not exactly as fast as SM, but I
thought it was marvellous ..... don't really know why, I think it's because
I'm just fascinated by Audio-animatronic figures ... especially the dog that
wags it's tail and whines. I like the different scenes from the different 
eras .... and it's clever how they have the end of the stage light-up to show
another member of the family ... then it goes dark again ... then ANOTHER 
light, and this time a DIFFERENT member of the family appears, in a totally
different room. Now how do they do that then? I know I am but a simple,
backward Brit, but I didn't hear any machinery turning the scenes around,
and I couldn't see inside the curtains when it was dark. Anyway, it is a 
bit outdated when you get to the last, most modern scene ... but I found it
a relaxing & enjoyable 20 minutes or so. 8 out of 10.

Next stop was Dreamflight, this was a new one on me and I can't say that it
thrilled me to the bone. The worst part was that it broke down as we were 
going through the bit where there is a sort of rotary strobe light effect
that makes you feel as if you are spinning around. After the Captain EO pre-
show film at EPCOT, this gets my vote as the most nauseating effect in WDW.
It's probably ok in short bursts, but being stuck there for several minutes
put me in dire danger of seeing my shrimp lo-mein again! I was VERY relieved
when it cranked into life again and we got out of there. 6 out of 10 for 
this ride, a bit disappointing for something so new. 

We went down to watch the character parade for a while, we got a front-row
spot on the hub ..... as I mentioned earlier, I'm not exactly a devotee of
most of the characters, and the rest of the party weren't too fussed, so we
thought it was an ideal opportunity to go back and ride Space Mountain again!
It was virtually deserted this time and all we had to do was walk in and
wait for our 'rocket'. I sat at the back this time ... and found it to be
the seat with the most jpm (jolts-per-minute) .... if you like it rough, ride
the back! 9.75 out of 10.

For the benefit of Addie & Paul, the 1st-timers, we went into Mission to MArs,
this is another see-once-and-forget-it rides IMHO, surely it's ripe for 
replacement (sounds like it is if the re-planning of Tomorrow Land happens).
5 out of 10, and that's only for the seat moving!

We left SM and walked back into Fantasyland ... stopping at the Mad Tea Party,
this is where I found out that I have a high tolerance for being spun around
at high speeds .... and that the rest of the people in my cup didn't. There
were 3 of us in each of two neighbouring cups ... and I threw down a challenge
that I could get our cup going faster than theirs ..... well you can forget
all your aerobics and iron-pumping, jogging etc ... tea-cup spinning is THE
most exhausting exercise known to man .... I got that thing going like the
clappers ..... but because I was concentrating so hard on making it spin
fast, I didn't spend too much time looking around. Those that weren't operating
the wheel, just felt sick ... when it finished, most of us couldn't walk 
straight, and a little sit-down & rest was called for. 8 out of 10 for making
other people ill.


Next stop was the Magic Journeys 3D film, but it wasn't due to start for 20
minutes, so we went across to the Carousel, beacuse the girls wanted to ride 
it - then back to MJ3D ... but according to the cast-member it was STILL 20
minutes 'til kick-off, so out we went again and down to Peter Pans' Flight.
I lied when I said we only queued for one thing - this was another queue,
about 20 minutes, by which time I was thoroughly sick of hearing Peter Pan
shouting "HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"  I guess I must've heard it over
a 100 times as we queued 'snake-fashion' for what is a very short ride. I 
enjoy the sensation of the ride, but it's not amongst my favourites. Fanatsy-
land is obviously aimed at the wee-ones and although some would say that 3
years is just about my mental-age, I don't find much to enjoy in F-land. Having
said that, PP's Flight is the best ride there. 5 out of 10, it would've been 
6, but for hearing that bl**dy phrase so many times.

Back to finally get in to the 3D movie, I really enjoyed the pre-show 3D 
cartoon, it was much better than the film itself. One annoying thing was the
amount of people who ignored the cast-member's request to NOT sit-down in
the pre-show auditorium ..... perhaps there were a lot of deaf people there
that day. 

The actual film was pretty content-free, although some of the effects were good.
I don't know if anyone can answer this question, but where was the start of 
that film, filmed? Where the kids run through a blossom orchard and down to 
the sea ... anyone know? It looked a nice spot where ever it is.

We had had enough of the attractions by now and started to walk out, stopping
at some of the shops on the way. We took the monorail back to the TTC and 
strolled over to the car.

We decided not to go back to the house, instead we'd find the nearest Denny's
(we hadn't tried one of these yet), and then go back into EPCOT for the 
Illuminations show. Denny's was good, Helena our waitress tempted me into 
trying the chocolate-pie, which just shows how easily led I am. We ended-up
paying $70 for six meals.

The drive back to EPCOT began at around 7:45 pm, so we had plenty of time to
get settled before the Illuminations started. We parked up right near the front
and sauntered in at about 8:05. We decided to go into the Living Seas pavilion
as we didn't do it the first time. There were us and another 18 people in the
auditorium when the film began. I didn't remember too much about this one from
my last trip, and I didn't even realise there was a ride portion to this 
attraction. It just seemed weird having so few people with us .... normally
I'm used to being part of a much larger crowd. I find the first bit of this
show to be quite dull, but I enjoy looking around the Sea Base Alpha part.
The marine tank is very restful and gentle to watch, after the long day we'd
had, I sat on the side watching the fish sail by ... and nearly dropped off
(to sleep that is). My favourite part of the attraction is to watch the gentle
and graceful manatees ... but by this time it must have been past their bed
time, because the lights were off in their tank - but if you put your face
right up to the glass you could still see them. I'm undecided about seeing
animals in cages or aquariums, no matter how large they are ... and the tank
for the manatees looked a little small to me. I console myself by the thought
that they are well looked after there, away from the boats that I understand
cause them such damage, out in the 'real world'. 6 out of 10 for the Living
Seas, but 9 out of 10 for the manatees.

As it was now about 9:35, we thought we'd go out and find a spot to watch
the excellent Illuminations ... we took the loooong trip on the Hydrolator,
up to the surface .. came out of the attraction and started to walk towards
the lagoon .... and that's when we heard the fireworks ........

Mr. Careful-planning had got it wrong again. Because WDW was now on an off-
season timetable, the Illuminations began at 9pm ..... the inevitable verbal
asault from the rest of the party was not long in coming ...... I think I'm  
beginning to enjoy being humiliated!

Home for yet ANOTHER night of Old Milwaukee consolation, and off to bed at 
around 12:30am.

183.43third installmentKERNEL::WHITAKERThu Nov 01 1990 16:41629
183.44FOURTH installmentKERNEL::WHITAKERThu Nov 01 1990 16:45292

			*** WARNING! ***

At the risk of repeating myself, make sure you REALLY want to wade through
this, by checking some of the previous replies. Congratulations on your
resilience so far, to those of you still awake. 

Honest, it's the last one!


Day 18 - Wednesday 12th September
*********************************

This is easy to write. The rest of the party went off to Cocoa Beach for the
day, Wanda and myself decided to stay behind and do nothing. I spent all
afternoon floating on the pool, either sleeping or reading a book. Absolute
bliss.

In the evening, when the rest returned (after being warned by a speed-cop
for doing 49 in a 30 zone - AND getting lost on the way back, don't ask me
how), we went out to eat again at Sammy's Spaghetti House on the Orange Blossom 
Trail. Once again, I would encourage you to find it and try it out - just 
thinking of the Fetuccini makes my mouth water and makes the prospect of my
intended chip butty down at the local pub tonight, seem lacklustre in 
comparison.

It was a great meal again, very friendly staff - especially nice garlic rolls,
and a crisp side salad. 9 out of 10 for Sammy's.

Day 19 - Thursday 13th September
********************************

This was another boring day of sorting out business details to do with our
house purchase. The afternoon was given over to shopping for presents and
YET MORE T-shirts ..... followed by more golf, followed by another remarkable
2-for-1 take away pizza deal at Little Caesars. Us lads have by this time 
gone berserk and started treating ourselves to such illustrious beers as
Michelob Dry and more Budweiser - forget the Milwaukee Best, we're on the big-
time amber nectar now!

Day 20 - Friday 14th September - Last Disney Day (sniff!)
*********************************************************

Time to go back and re-do the favourites, and also collect the ones we missed
before. We started at the MK - didn't bother with MGM - and finished up at 
EPCOT. 

We got to MK at around 9:30, and took the monorail in, we got chatting to a nice
Welsh couple who were over visiting their daughter who was working in the UK
country in EPCOT. It sounded from their stories, like she was having the time of
her life - lucky blighter! After breezing into the MK, food was again the top
priority, so we headed for the Crystal Palace restaurant. I was really impressed
by this place - their scrambled eggs were gorgeous, as was the rest of the 
buffet-style breakfast. For the second time this holiday, I didn't begrudge
paying Disney prices for the food - perhaps I'm going to have to re-appraise
my opinions on the VFM of their food. One other nice experience was the jazz
band they had strolling around there. As only 5 or 6 tables were occupied, it
wasn't long before they came to us - we'd heard them at other tables, and the
guy singing did a great Satchmo impression - but we have a certain song that
for various boring reasons, is one we like to sinagalong to (it's Roger Miller's
King of the Road - I know it's not exactly hip, but we have our reasons).
To our disappointment, the gravel-voiced one told us they 'didn't do that one'.

Didn't do it??? .... I thought everyone knew that one, but he was a big-lad,
so we didn't argue. They instead did an excellent rendition of Moon River, which
was the only other song any of us could think of when put on the spot. It was
marvellous stuff though ... a really enjoyable and civilised way to have our
breakfast.

Next stop was the inevitable Space Mountain ... and I believe we rode it 4 more
times during the day, all making sure we tried every permutation of seats, to
see which one was best (I reckon you get more sensation in the back seat, but
most of the others - apart from Wanda who didn't like it at all, but was game
enough to come on each time - preferred the front seat). Whichever seat you 
choose, SM is a real classic attraction - I pity those that won't try it out,
they don't know what they're missing :-)

We tried to ride BTMR one more time, but it was surprisingly busy - guess we
just picked the wrong time.

Back to the Haunted Mansion for another trip, I was disappointed by some of the
crowd going in. There was an elderly lady in a wheelchair who came in with us,
just as you exit the 'sinking/strecthing room' the walkway funnels into quite a
narrow area. Now there was not a big crowd there, but for some reason everyone
seemed to want to rush-on. The elderly lady took quite a buffeting from some
of the 'guests' and I just felt it was a bit un-necessary. Don't know what the
compulsion is to rush through like that, if you take your time, you see more.

We did quite a bit of the stuff along Main Street. I wrenched my arm in the
Penny Arcade - they have one of those machines where you grab the handle and
squeeze for all your worth. Because Wanda's sister was watching, I decided to
make a real effort, or suffer the inevitable saircastic comments. I DID manage
a respectable rating on the scale, but I think I pulled a muscle I didn't know
I had. 

More time spent in the various shops down Main Street, they'd changed it around
since last time and I couldn't find the place that used to sell loads of sweets
(candy), I bought a huge bag of Disney lollipops last time, which I brought back
for my group here at work. This time the choice was much more limited, so they 
had to make do with a mixed bag of candies from K-Mart instead.

Back for yet another couple of trips on Space Mountain - when there are no 
queues, and you can just come out and go straight back in again, it's worth
taking advantage of the situation.

We next walked through to Mickey's Starland, on the insistance of the girls, who
still hadn't collected MM's autograph yet. I gritted my teeth and sat through
the 'TV special' show ...... not my cup of tea, but I have to confess to 
singing along at the end. I hadn't ever heard of these Gummi Bear things 
before, but they seemed to be the stars of the show. 

A little time spent at the Petting Farm, and then back towards the exit via 
Fantasyland. I've never been in It's A Small World, but because I'd heard so
much about the tune - I thought I'd better try it this time. Well, I have to
admit that I quite enjoyed it, much to my surprise. I seem to like most of
the rides that include 'floating' around in a boat, and because your eyes are
bombarded with so many colours and so many different scenes, it's quite a
pleasant way to spend 10 minutes. Technically it's not exactly startling, but 
I can understand why the kids would enjoy it so much.

The tune didn't stick in my head though, every time I think back to the trip,
it's that music from the Mexico ride in EPCOT that comes to mind.

As it was now early afternoon, we decided it was time to wend our way across
to EPCOT. I always enjoy that last lingering look of Cinderella's Castle, but I
wasn't too upset at going as I knew that I'd be back within a few months (I hope
to be going back at least twice a year for the foreseeable future, and as long
as the money-pit doesn't get exhausted).

We caught the mono-rail to EPCOT, as I enjoy the circuit of the park it does
before arriving at the station. 

Once again, queues were light, so we walked onto Spaceship Earth for another 
trip - this is one attraction that I would really like to see with the lights
on. As you make the steep descent back down and you travel through the 'outer
space' section, I'd like to see how big the thing really is (perhaps I'd be
rather disappointed?).

We spent a lot of time in the Communicores, and went through Backstage Magic
to see what UNISYS were trumpeting about. Not bad, slow for those of us that
pretend we know a bit about computers, boring for those who don't, according
to the rest of our party. There were several Digital terminals and workstations
on view when we were in the seated portion of this attraction - but I didn't
see any larger machines on view, unless they were disguised. I thought someone
else in this conference mentioned seeing a VAX or a large PDP? Maybe my eyes
weren't keen enough to make it out.

We pottered around the exhibits for an hour or so (including a 'trip' to 
London, taken from one of the Travelport booths in Communicore East - this was
amusing as it mentioned the "friendly & welcoming Londoners, who will always 
stop to pass the time of day" ..... ! ..... must be a different London to the 
one I know).

The girls were intent upon buying one of the Bonzai trees from the Japan shop,
but I wanted to go on a few more of my favourite rides - so they went off to 
take the boat across the lagoon, while I went to the East side of Future World.

I had time to re-do Horizons and World Of Motion, and then went back into the
Wonders Of Life pavilion for another mooch around there. Body Wars was the 
first stop, in and out in around 15 minutes. It seemed tamer this time, perhaps
because I had lost any first-timers anxiety feelings. 

I also had the un-interrupted freedom to watch the Goofy About Health cartoons
to my heart's content. This is funny stuff! There weren't that many other people
watching, so I had to keep my rather 'distinctive' laugh under control - but I
would highly recommend this as a cure for any temporarily depressed visitors.

There are also some very interesting booths in the Met Lifestyle Revue, where 
you can learn about how all the things you like to eat & drink, are bad for 
you (as if we didn't know already), and it's well worth spending some time at
Coach's Corner, watching the live coach giving people hints on their golf swing.
You get to see yourself on video straight afterwards ... then the coach punches
something into a computer, and a golfing celebrity pops-up on a video screen to
give you a few tips also.

I watched a guy from Texas, when he mentioned where he was from, the coach went
to her keyboard again, and Nancy Lopez appeared on the screen. She is from Texas
and I think they try to match-up the home state of the punter with the 
selection of stars that they have, as I saw a guy from Illinois get matched 
with another star from the same state (although I didn't recognise that one).

I could have watched this thing for much longer, perhaps I might even have got
some tips that would help me to understand baseball - but it was time to meet-up
with the bonzai-buyers, back at Showcase Plaza. I got there just as the double-
decker bus was picking up the characters after their greeting session.

We spent a little more time wandering through some of the shops in Communicore
West and then made our way to the exit. A depressing trip on the mono-rail back
to the MK, as I realised that this was it for at least a few months.

We drove out of the car-park at around 6:30pm and went straight to the Indian
restaurant (the name of which escapes me now), along the 192. We are all 
devotees of Indian grub - it seems to be much more popular here in the UK, than
it is in the USA. Despite asking for my Prawn Dhansak to be made hot, it wasn't
particularly, but very pleasant nontheless. The only criticism was of the 
papadoms, which were soft. The meal was comparatively expensive - around $11 per
person - but it was enjoyed by all.

Home to finish off the blueberry muffins that I'd bought from Goodings and bed
at the usual time of around midnight.


Day 21 - Saturday 16th September
********************************

I lost the vote, and Saturday was another beach day. We went back to Cocoa again
because we like the Herbie K diner at the Howard Johnson hotel, and we like the
beach-bar and shower behind it. I felt too full to go straight into the sea, so
I lay on the beach for about an hour to let the food digest. 

Now although I love being in warm climates, I hate laying in direct sun for any
length of time - so I decided to cover-up as best I could. I had a towel over
my legs and my T-shirt on. Unfortunately the only part of me that wasn't covered
was my neck ..... and this got well & truly fried. After remaining sun-burn free
for the previous 3 weeks, I got scorched on the last day. I was not a happy-
chappy at all, but consoled myself with the pleasure I gave to everyone else in
the party who of course thought my discomfort was hilarious.

The rest of the day was spent perfecting our li-lo surfing technique, next time
I'll consider buying one of those 'boogie-board' things, as people seemed to
be having a great time with them.

We left the beach at 5:30pm and dashed home to wash and change before going out
to try TGIF's on International Drive as our last evening meal. Although I prefer
the one at the Crossroads Plaza, it was still a good meal. Their Blackened
Grouper was probably my most enjoyable dinner of the holiday. Much depression at
knowing that this was my last experience of a 'tropical evening', so I made 
especially sure that I savoured it.


LAST DAY - Sunday 16th September - back to Blighty
**************************************************


This day is only of note because I thought I was going to get another week in
Florida! 

Wanda and I were packing, she bent down to pick up a packet of sweets and went
to throw them into one of the suitcases, she then proceeded to collapse on the
floor clutching her back. It turned out that she had strained some ligaments
in her back, but at the time we obviously didn't know that.

She was in a pretty bad way, and I had visions of a visit to the doctors, and
for the first time, started worrying about the amount of our medical cover.
Wanda didn't really get any better - she tried lying on the floor, resting on
a li-lo in the pool ... but nothing really cured it. She is a very determined
lady however, and she insisted that we were going home. I know better than to
argue when she is as resolute as that - so I abandoned any thoughts of a
further week in the sun.

We packed as quickly as possible to give us maximum time in the 'pool before
heading off for Orlando airport. After a scheduled stop for some last minute
house business, we drove to Lindo's to drop the car off.

Contrary to what I've been reading in this conference recently, we had an
efficient and painless time at Lindo's. We drove in, stopped right by the 
office, one of their guys took our luggage out of the car while I went in
to settle-up. Despite the fact that I had lost the original paperwork, they
were able to find my details, and the whole process took about 10 minutes,
before we were on the (admittedly aging) bus, and off to the airport.

I have no great desire to 'defend' Lindo's, and I much prefer dealing with 
the rental agencies which have offices at the airport - but they were totally
efficient as far as we were concerned. Just goes to show that one person's
experience is exactly that.

One thing I CAN moan about is the appaling in-efficiency and poor planning
shown by whoever was co-ordinating the opening of the new terminal at the
airport. We didn't know it, but it was the first day of operation for this
terminal.

We waited over 2 hours in line to check-in, and it took the guy a further
20 minutes to actually process us through. They asked for our patience as
it was a new terminal, and new staff! I would have thought that they might at
least have used experienced staff on opening day, rather than use the people
who have paid large sums of money to visit Orlando, as training-fodder for
their new recruits.

There were further technical difficulties in the departure area which almost 
resulted in lynch-mobs apprehending the unfortunate announcer. I tend not to
get upset in these situations as it's bad enough having to face 8 hours plus
on a plane, but some people were definately getting hot under the collar. Some
of the excuses the guy was using for the delays were quite entertaining though.


The flight home was comfortable enough, it became my birthday as we flew and
I was bought a large bottle of Southern Comfort by Wanda, which I cuddled for
comfort on the remainder of the journey.

Not much to say about Gatwick apart from it was 40 degrees colder and the car
wouldn't start, we were back in the real world.
183.45Disney Days OnlyKERNEL::WHITAKERThu Nov 01 1990 16:47802
183.46Trip Report AKOCOA::BHAMILTONTue Nov 27 1990 20:25121
    Trip Report - Barbara & Scott Hamilton
    Oct 27 - Nov 3
    
    This was our second trip together (first was our honeymoon) and my 5th
    time. Let me say first the weather was absolutly fantastic, it was low
    80's and sunny everyday. It rained one night that we were aware of. It
    was comfortable walking weather, but you could still jump in the pool
    for a dip.
    
    The parks were not dead, but we walked onto just about everything. I
    don't know if this is because we followed the notes file and started
    from back to front but something worked. 
    
    I'm not going to give an a day by day description but just tell you
    what we liked and did not like.
    
    Carribean Beach Resort - You cannot beat it for the price! We had
    stayed at the Polynesian on our honeymoon, and we prefered the C.B.R
    over it. We stayed in Jamaica and we could see the "Golf Ball" from our
    window. We only used the pool once, but it was not crowded. We had
    drinks at the lounge and made friends with the Bartendars, very
    friendly and interesting stories.
    
    Transportation - We were concerned being away from the monorail, but we
    found the bus system to be no problem and very well run. I heard a few
    people complaining, but as far as knowing where the bus was going it
    literally spelled it out for you. We did not feel like we were always
    on the bus and we got around smoothly. This may be do to the fact that
    it was off season but we waited no longer than 5 minutes for a bus.
             We did ride the monorail quite a few times and rode 3 times
    in the front (of course I didn't have my camera at the time)
    
    Magic Kingdom - This is my favorite, maybe because it was the first
    park that I had gone to when I was seven. We rode Space Mountian 4 or 5
    times (One time early in the morning they only had one side open so
    this formed a 1/2hr line). Thunder Mountain twice (better at night)
    Haunted Mansion twice (walked right in), Country Bear Hoedown which I
    had never seen before (enjoyed it!), Small world (walked right on) and 	
    I think everything in Futureworld, Pirates of the Carribean, and I got a	
    nice picture of the sunset from atop the skyway to Fantasyland. We ate
    at the Crystal Palace which was decent ($20.00 for two) and just some
    fast food.
    
    MGM - Enjoyed very much, wasn't sure what to excpect but was not
    disappointed! Walked right onto Backstage Tours twice! I enjoyed Star
    Tours (and did not feel sick). We were told there was standing room
    only for Indiana Jones, but one of the cast members said we could find
    seats to the left, which we did! Right in front. We both enjoyed
    Animations and the Great Movie Ride was good, but not what I expected.
    We took in the Streetmosphere and ate at the Hollywood and Vine for
    Breakfast (nothing to write home about). We enjoyed Prime Time cafe but
    felt it was overpriced for lunch.
    
    EPCOT - I will only mention what we had not seen before and my absolute
    favorites. Body Wars I enjoyed (my husband felt sick on this and Star
    Tours), Cranium Command was amusing. Malestrom was good, but I think I
    expected more. We had not previously gone into the Circle vision
    theaters and did this time which was interesting. We really liked
    American Adventure. My favorite is Horizons and my husbands is The
    Land. We ate lunch in Italy, the best lasagna I have ever had, but my
    husband wasn't thrilled with the veal for $19.00! Overall very good
    though. We watched Illuminations from Mexico, we didn't enjoy the fast
    food, but I enjoyed the Margierta (sp?). We had food in China (lunch
    another day) which was standard.  I want to note that we did do
    everything in Epcot in one day! We got there at 8:30 and left at 4:00
    only missing Universe of Energy. This was due to no lines and good
    timing (for the movies). But by the end of Future world everything
    started to look the same! We were tired but pleased.
    
    Typhoon Lagoon - Only stayed for 2 hours, but went on everthing at
    least once. Would have like to gone again, but we ran out of time.
    
    Pleasure Island - Went 5 out of 7 nights! Enjoyed the atmosphere and
    New Years. They had improv at the Comedy Club which was okay, just not
    my type of humor. Adventurers club was not for us. We either watched
    the band outside or went into Xfers. I wish they would change the set
    up, I know that it used to be a roller skating rink, but I would have
    like to had a table near the dance floor instead of walking downstairs
    everytime.
    
    We had excellent Buffalo wings at the Fireworks factory, and happy
    hour was from 4-7. (we never go there in time)
    
    Golfing - We just went on the Executive Course - I through my clubs by
    the 5th hole, need I say more! (Bring your own golf balls this cost us
    more than renting clubs!)
    
    Food outside the parks.
    
    Polynesian - Tangora Terrace, excellent dinner (waited 10 mins) and
    very good breakfast.
    
    Contempary - Concourse (?) Breakfast was excellent
    
    Disney Inn - Excellent breakfast buffet
    
    Dolphin - Had lunch in a 50's type cafe, enjoyed the atmposhere and
    food was good.
    
    Chef Mickeys - Very good Breakfast, we wanted to go back for dinner but
    never made it.
    
    Hoop De Doo Revue - I know I'm going to make a lot of enemies, but we
    didn't feel it was worth the hefty price (35/pp). The food was good and
    we drank a lot of beer, but we'll pass the next time. Sorry!
    
    Expect to pay  a lot for the meals, we basically had a big breakfast
    and a late lunch. We also spent a lot on drinks (average 5.00/drink)
    towwards the end of the week we started ordering pitchers of beer (6.00
    which gave about 4 or 5 beers).
    
    We spent about $900.00 on food and drinks (we drank a lot). We got the
    super passes which was worth it for us. 
    
    We won't go any other time of the year again (honeymoon was in June). 
    
    We also flew Delta, which we paid a lot for (296/pp), but we at two great
    flights so we didn't mind it.
    
    I can't wait to go back!
                             
183.47trip reportBIG::SCHOTTWed Nov 28 1990 15:3031
I just discovered this notesfile.  My actual trip there was in August of 1989,
yep, that's right August.  It was about 95 and HOT every day.  We didn't
purposely plan on going in August, but a 50th Wedding Anniversary for my
grandparents who live in Tampa put us in sunny Florida.  

WDW had excellent facilities for babies, as we found out.  We had our 11 month
old who absolutely had the time of her life, even with all the heat.  We had
to take her crying into the hospitality areas they had set up to cool her
(and us!) down and get some liquids into us all.

We went to Busch Gardens as well, and MGM Studios.  The Star Tours was
just large promo sign, nothing open yet.  Evidently the Indiana Jones show
has changed since then as well.  It seemed like a lot of things were under
construction, but it still filled out whole day nicely.

No tips, or anything like that to report besides going when it a bit cooler
out.

The one thing that I will never forget however, is when we ate lunch in
the Prime Time Cafe (50's set-up restaurant).  I had my video camera with
me and after we sat down I noticed someone sitting at the next table who
I was sure was Jim Henson.  Low and behold, the waitress came back and I
asked her and she said he just put his hand prints in the cement to and
finish the Muppet deal with Disney.  I couldn't believe it.  Jim Henson
sitting within arms length of me.  I took some video of him as he got up
to leave, shook his hand, and that was it.  It was a real tragedy hearing
of death not long after, and a spooky feeling as well.



				Eric-who-might-go-back-this-spring.
183.48Overdue September Trip Rept.TARKIN::BOUTOTTEFri Nov 30 1990 18:14238
Trip Report from Diane & John Boutotte
Dates: Sept 20 - 27.

September 20, 1990

We flew out of Logan (Boston) airport on time on a United 1-stop 12:00pm flight
to Orlando.  The 40 minute stopover was in Washington Dulles Airport.
Due to good flying conditions, the pilot was able to get us into Orlando
15 minutes earlier than scheduled so we were on the ground at 4:15.  We
quickly found the baggage claim, grabbed our luggage (which was the 5th and
6th pieces off the plane --- AMAZING ! --).  Then we went downstairs from where
the baggage claim area was to pick up our rental car from National.  So far,
everything was going smoothly and at about 4:45, we were on our way out of the 
airport and on our way to our final destination -- the Polynesian Village.
We arrived there at approximately 5:30 and were able to quickly check-in.  We
had the Vacation Holiday package from MKC so the check-in person counted out
everything which was included, checked and rechecked it.  Once we received 
all of the informational material they provide, our guest passes and the
meal tickets etc which came with the package, we were off to the Maui 
longhouse (feeling 10 pounds heavier from everything we received at check-in).
The rest of the evening we spent having dinner at the Coral Isle restaurant
and taking a walk around the grounds.  We originally wanted to have dinner 
at the Papeetah Bay Verandah restaurant but due to the Mosquito warnings,
they moved the Luau inside to this restaurant.  Sooooo ... we had an O.K.
dinner at the Coral Isle ... nothing spectacular but it was fast.  I'd
say we were in, seated, served and finished eating in about 45 minutes although
we really didn't feel rushed.  At about 10 minutes to 9, we went out to the
beach to see if the electrical water pageant was being held but it wasn't
also due to the Mosquitoes.  We didn't see any mosquitoes while we were there
but somehow my husband managed to get bitten twice on his back, through his
shirt one evening while we watched the MGM fireworks.

Friday, September 21

Magic Kingdom Day.  I managed to get my husband up and off to 
the TTC by about 8:15 on this day.  We took the ferry over to MK because
we weren't really in a rush and I figured we'd have ridden the monorail 
many, many times before the end of the trip but may not take the 
opportunity to go on the ferry again.  The day started off HOT and a 
bit humid. We went to the Crystal Palace for a quick cafeteria-style breakfast
and were just finishing up when they opened the rest of the park.  We watched
the river of people flow into Adventureland and then were off.   We
originally planned to go on Space Mountain first but decided to let 
breakfast settle a bit first.  So, we walked through the castle and in to 
Fantasyland.  We walked right on to Snow White, Mr. Toad, Peter Pan and 
Small World and then took the Skyway over to Tommorrowland.  From the
skyway you can see 20,000 Leagues completely drained and in the
process of being reconstructed.  Kinda neat to see.  Then, it was off to Space
Mountain ... 5-10 minute wait because they were only letting a group of people
into the building at a time.  We finished up Tommorrowland by doing Carousel 
of Progress, Dreamflight, People Mover, and American Journeys.  We bypassed
Mission to Mars, Star Jets and Grand Prix Raceway.  It was about 11:30 now,
so we decided to walk over to Liberty Square for our 12:00 lunch reservations
in the Liberty Tree Tavern.  This was a nice relaxing, cool lunch.  The food
was very good and it's a nice change from the fast food you find elsewhere
in the Magic Kingdom.  I'd definitely recommend it ! Once finished with lunch, 
we walked right onto Haunted
Mansion, Thunder Mountain Railroad, Country Bear Jamboree, Hall of Presidents
(10 minutes wait for next show).  Then we decided to call it a day ... it was
about 2:45.  We went on Pirates on the way out and stopped briefly to see
the beginning of the parade.  We wanted to watch it another day when we had
the camcorder with us.  Went back to the Polynesian to relax for a few hours
and then get ready for dinner at Fisherman's Deck on the Empress Lily.  This
was one of our best meals.  We had a cajun tuna which was out of this world ...
it was the special of the evening.  The service was great and the waiter very
friendly.  Be sure to make reservations here if you plan to go.  We had
reservations but the wait without was about 1.5 hours at 7:00.

Saturday, September 22

This was our MGM Day.  There were a few people on Hollywood Boulevard but once
we walked down to Star Tours, the place was deserted.  We walked right on 
and even paused for about 5-10 minutes to watch some of the droids in the
pre-show area.  This was excellent.  (Now having done Star Tours a few times
and Body Wars once, I have to cast my vote with Star Tours being the better of
the 2.)  We, too, pretty much followed the touring schedule layed out in the
Unofficial Guide which someone in here also typed up in another note.  It worked
out very well.  In the afternoon we chuckled at the line to get into the
Great Movie Ride and Star Tours because we had gone into the line-forming
attractions early enough in the morning to avoid all of that.  In the afternoon
we did Monster Sound Show, Superstar Television and Indiana Jones.  Someone 
was quite right when they talked about how many people are able to get in to
each showing !  It took us a good part of the day to see MGM but we were able
to see everything.  We left and went to Pleasure Island's Portobello Yacht
Club for dinner and then back to MGM to see the fireworks.  They were 
EXCELLENT !  They serve an incredible garlic bread ... actually a whole 
garlic which is prepared in such a way that it isn't too garlicy but has an
excellent flavor.  They instruct you to put some butter on a piece of bread and
then a clove of garlic.  I was a bit hesitant at first but it was excellent
(and addicting !)  (Oh yeah, we could use our FF card for the discount here, 
too).  Now, back to MGM.  A hint for those of you wanting to get 
a good seat for them.  
Sit/Stand(until show time) facing The Chinese Theater. We sat where the O is
in my diagram and ended up being in the front row after the security people
told the others they were too close.  They usually rope off from the 1st
two lamposts and back.  

                              Theatre
                     ----------------------------
                         ----------------- 
                        /     Garden      \
                        \-----------------/
             
           ----------                       --------------
                    |  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX O|
                    |                       |
                    |    Hollywood Blvd.    |

Anyways, the fireworks are a Not To Be Missed if they are having them any night 
during your visit.

Sunday, September 23

This was our 1st Epcot Day.  We were up rather bright and early and were off 
by monorail to Epcot.  We got into the park
and were right at the rope when they opened the rest of the park.  With a 
semi-brisk walk, we went down to Journey into the Imagination and were the
first ones on to the ride portion.  The cast member at the ride commented,
"That's what I like ... people who know how to avoid the crowds."  You 
certainly get to enjoy the hands-on exhibits much better when there are only
about 10 people in the room as opposed to >100.  We lingered there for a bit 
and then checked on Captain EO.  The next show was scheduled for 20 minutes
later so we left and went to the Land.  After the exhibits/ride in the Land,
we went to World Showcase, starting with Mexico and then Norway while the crowds
were sparse.  The Maelstrom is a neat ride and I found it strange to be in 2 
parts.  We took in a few of the other countries before we left to go to the
Contemporary for Sunday Brunch which was excellent and the view from the 15th
floor is quite breathtaking !  I'd recommend this as a special treat to break
up part of your touring day.  There was not a thing I could think of that was
missing at the brunch and the champagne was quite free-flowing.  The only thing
that might have been better, though, is to have planned out touring for 
the day at the Magic Kingdom instead of Epcot in lieu of the time spent/wasted
traveling from Epcot to the Contemporary and back.  
After brunch we went back to Epcot and went into most of the Future World
exhibits and attractions.  Epcot is still my favorite of the Disney Parks !

Dinner was in the Chefs de France.  Excellent meal and service although the
restaurant itself was quite crowded in terms of table spacing.  This was 
another of our free meal coupons.  I tried escargot for the first time and
found it quite good.  The food was excellent including the desserts !
This night we watched it rain for 15 minutes while we were in eating
dinner.  It was the only rain we saw all week.

We watched Illuminations this night.  It's still as good as I remembered.
We had a great spot on the fence right at the entrance of World Showcase,
facing American Adventure.  

Monday, September 24

This was our Sea World day.  In spite of all the things to see and do in WDW,
I still find Sea World worth a day in your schedule.  I won't go into
detail about this day.  If you do go here, check out the Sting Ray feeding
and petting area.  The sting rays are a riot when they know you have fish
and they want some !  We got splashed quite nicely as they tried to get
our attention !

We got back to the Poly in time to relax for an hour, shower and change for
dinner.  This night we went to Victoria and Albert's.  The meal and 
service were impeccable.  The harp in the outer room is a nice touch, too.
We were fascinated by their old-fashioned coffee maker which brews on your
table between the cheese and dessert courses (?).  All-in-all a nice 
evening finished off by a stroll around the Grand Floridian grounds at night.
The GF is a beautiful hotel if you can (or want to) pay the price for it.

Tuesday, September 25

We went back to Epcot this day to finish up the countries we didn't see and
to go to the Wonders of Life Pavilion and a few other Future World 
attractions we had missed.  I enjoyed the hands-on exhibits in Wonders of
Life.  We went to the Land Grille for an interesting
and tasty lunch.  Being on the lower tier was nice ... you could really feel 
the heat of the desert !  

This evening we ate at the Firework's Factory (and used our Delta FF card for a 20% 
discount).  They had good barbecued food and the price (in comparison to
the other prices around Disney) wasn't too bad.  They have a nice selection
of imported beer if you're into that type of thing.  The atmosphere was very
nice, too.  After dinner, we went to Pleasure Island.  We watched a live
band for a bit and then got into the first Comedy Show.  After that we went
to the Adventurer's Club ... Fascinating !! ... I could have sat there all
night !  We stayed for "New Year's Eve" and then being exhausted from 
Disney-ing called it a night fairly early. (12:30)

Wednesday, September 26

This was our last day on our passport.  We decided to finish off the MK this
day.  We overslept and didn't get as early a start as we would have liked
(probably because we hadn't gotten in from Pleasure Island until 12:30ish).
This set the tone for the whole day.  We still had 3 breakfast/lunch 
coupons left and only 2 days so we went to the Tangarou Terrace for breakfast
(and waited 10-15 minutes to be seated because of the hour).  We got started
in MK at about 10:30 but had planned on Narcoosee's for lunch so we left
there at 1:00 to head for the Grand Floridian.  My husband had ordered some
sort of chicken which required additional cooking time (we found that out after 
we had ordered and waited for a few minutes) so that shifted our
schedule off again.  We wanted to get back to the MK for the 3:00 parade.
Anyways, we left Narcoosee's at about 3:00 and ended up only seeing the last
3 floats in the parade.  It would have been nice to have videotaped a bit more.
Then we finished off the things we hadn't seen on the previous day and
finally said good-bye to MK.  

We had dinner at the Coral Reef.  Nice restaurant and very good food.  We
got out of dinner later than we expected so we didn't get as good a spot for
Illuminations.  Of course, this was the night we were going to videotape it.
The tape came out decently anyways but could have been better.

After dinner and illuminations, we followed the river of people out of Epcot
and left the turnstiles for the last time on this trip. <Sniff>.

Thursday, September 27

This was our last day.  We were going to go to Typhoon Lagoon before
our flight left at 6:45 but decided instead to just relax and enjoy the
Polynesian for the last day.  We went to the Grand Floridian's Narcoosee's
for lunch again and used one of our free lunch coupons.  This is definitely
the place to use one of those !  Their jumbo shrimp cocktail was out of
this world !  I also enjoyed the iced tea ... I was the only one drinking it at 
out table yet they still brought out the whole pitcher to sit on the table.
We easily ran up an $80.00 bill here and it felt very nice to be able just
to sign a coupon and be done with it.  This day of relaxing and soaking in 
our last bit of Florida for awhile went by too quickly and before we knew it
we were on the plane heading back to Boston.

Overall Observations:  September is an excellent time to see the World !  The
lines were short all around and the weather was quite nice.  We saw 15 
minutes of rain our entire week there.  The Disney service was excellent as
usual.  With MGM, MK and Epcot, we easily used our 5-day passes and SeaWorld
took another day.  That left us only our last day there for enjoying some
of the hotel activities.  Next trip, I'm going to plan at least 10 days there
to soak up more of the Disney experience.  We planned to eat 90% of our
meals at sit-down Disney restaurants (there were so many possibilities that it
was hard to decide which to go to).  Although relaxing for lunch in the
middle of the day was great, it also made our touring more hectic. If we had 
more days in the park, we could have spent 9-3 at a given park and then gone 
back to the hotel to crash for a few hours before having to change for dinner. 
We did this on the first day in the parks but somehow didn't manage to do 
this again.  So many things to see .... Wish we had more time to enjoy.

183.49A quick stop by...TOOLS::ADTSHR::SUTTONPushin' a rock...Mon Dec 03 1990 20:21104
        We never thought for a minute that we'd be back to WDW twice in a year,
    but who am I to refuse the opportunity??

    We stayed at the Sheraton Lakeside on November 17 and 18, then headed
    south to spend Thanksgiving with the in-laws.

    Day 1 -- 17-Nov-90:

    Travel day.  We'd been in Tampa on business, and didn't get checked
    out until arounbd 10:00.  Headed east on I-4 for the 1.5 hour trek. 
    There must have been a big game that weekend; we saw _lots_ of Florida
    State University supporters -- flags flying from the antenna, signs in
    the windows, you name it.  We had no problem with traffic, though.  We
    decided that we'd see the Magic Kingdom first, then go check in.  The
    parking lots were far from full (especially for that time of day, from
    what I've seen in the past!), and we boarded the tram to the TTC.  We
    had a left-over day on our 3-park passports, but decided to save them
    for the next day.  Three one-day/one-park passes, and hop aboard the
    Monorail to ride to the Kingdom of Magic.

    After picking up a couple of carriages, we headed to Adventureland and
    grabbed some Dole-whip!  After the snack, we checked out the line for the
    Jungle Cruise.  We headed over to the Pirates of the Carribean instead (-:
    and got on after about a 5-minute wait.  Next up, we headed over to
    Tom Sawyer's Island (in all the times we've been to WDW, we'd yet to
    see it!)  We spent a while here, checking out all there is to see. 
    Which isn't all that much.  Before heading back to the mainland, we
    picked up a quick snack at Aunt Polly's Restaurant.

    We headed to Fantasyland next, taking in Cinderella's Carousel, Snow
    White's Scary Adventures, and Small World.  As we headed past Magic
    Journeys, we saw that the next show was in 00:30 -- so we dove in. 
    The kids enjoyed this (Deanna more than Timmy, but he wanted to keep
    the glasses...), then we went off to Tomorrowland.  There we rode the
    WEDway people mover, and were checking the entertainment schedule for
    what to see next.  It was almost time for the show in Mickey's
    Starland, so off we went.  Here, we saw what I'd thought was a petting
    zoo, but the animals are securely away from any guests.  I got a
    picture of the cow with the Mickey markings -- unusual!  We toured
    Mickey's house, then saw the production number with the characters
    from the Disney afternoon shows.  This show lets out into what is now
    a gift shop/minor attraction;  you can take pictures of yourself in
    scenes from notable cartoons, play with noise boxes (open a box and
    hear horns, screeching brakes, etc.) or be on TV, projected into the
    middle of a cartoon.

    Once we left this shop, it was time (according to the entertainment
    schedule) for various characters to be out and about.  We saw Tigger,
    Gideon, Pluto, Goofy, and one of the mice from Cinderella (Perla?).
    Deanna got autographs from all.

    The kids were starting to wear out, so we called it a day.  Headed out
    to 192 to check in and go get some eats.  The MK closed at 7, so we
    didn't get back that evening.

    Day 2 -- 18-Nov-90:

    Up and out not too terribly early, this was a multi-park day.  We'd
    seen the World Showcase of EPCOT in March, and decided to take in the
    Future World exhibits.  First was Spaceship Earth, with a 5-minute
    wait.  Next we headed to the Living Seas, where we spent a bit of time
    watching the activity in the aquarium.  The kids were fascinated for a
    while (we have a small tank at home), but when the appeal wore off we
    left and went over to The Land.  The wait for Listen to the Land was a
    lot longer -- maybe 1/2 hour -- but it was something we'd wanted to
    see last time and wouldn't pass on this opportunity.  Again, the kids
    enjoyed this attraction.  Next up was Journey into the Imagination,
    and the jumping water.  Who could miss it?  We stayed here for a
    while, but wanted to catch the parade at the MK, so headed out to
    catch the 'rail.

    We timed this well, but I messed up on the place to go -- I went over
    the bridge to Adventureland, not to Liberty Square.  Whoops --
    backtrack, and by that time we couldn't use that bridge, so we had to
    go through the castle and in the back way, coming out right by the
    Hall of Presidents.  Parked there and had good seats (stands?), Tim
    rode my shoulders and Deanna sat in the front row.  Timmy didn't want
    to see some of the characters, so he used a 'unique' method of
    avoiding having to see them -- he 'steered' me by twisting my head
    until I was facing the opposite direction.  After 3 or 4 floats,
    though, he was OK.

    The kids had wanted to go on the Grand Prix cars, so we walked over
    and rode once. Of course, I had to pick up the ears for my project
    team, so while I waited in the Mad Hatter's shop, Laurie and the kids
    went over to Small World for one last ride.  I met them at the exit
    (they'd virtually walked on), and we all headed toward the exit.

    The 'rail looked busy, but the lines moved quickly.  We were on in
    about 5 minutes, and boarded the tram to the Goofy section.  Hmm, two
    out of two times, parked in the Goofy section.  Telling me something??

    Off for a bite to eat, then back to EPCOT to catch what we hadn't
    seen.  We rode the Imagination ride, played a bit in the hands-on (and
    feet-on!) exhibits, then found that some &*&^*&^% had made off with
    our strollers.  Back to the main gate area to get two more, and by
    then it was time to get places to see IllumiNations.  Deanna: "It
    looks like Christmas!"

    We took our time leaving, dropping off the strollers, then walking to
    the car.  We probably won't be back for a couple of years now )-:, so
    we wanted to make the most of it.  Well, if we go in '92 for our tenth
    anniversary....(-:
    
183.50it only looks long...AYNRND::REILLYPull my finger...Mon Dec 10 1990 18:35180
183.519th to 19th Oct 9042653::WARWICKTue Dec 18 1990 12:21624
    Trip Report 9th to 19th October 90

    Introduction

    The Cast 	   -  Chris (me, Project Manager but I am on holiday)
    		   -  Sally (wife & planner)
    		   -  Joanna (9 year old)
    		   -  Jonathan (5.5 year old)

    The Plan	   -  12 nights in Orlando, staying in the Holiday Inn 
                      Maingate East. (This was chosen as being good for the 
                      kids, as one of the options within the package). In 
                      the event apart from sleeping there, we only used the 
                      pool twice, this was due to a variety of reasons; one 
                      being the transformer problem, more on that later.

    Planning	   -  My planner found the following sources most useful:-

    		   -  Disney Notes File
    		   -  Steve Birnbaum's Guide to Walt Disney World (89 & 90)
    		   -  The Unofficial Guide to Walt Disney World & EPCOT by 
                      Bob Sehlinger, published by Prentice Hall. This is 
                      most useful for rating of rides and most important 
                      the queue time information, we found this more 
                      accurate than Disneys. A one page summary for all the 
                      rides planned was invaluable.

    Rest Rooms	   -  My son seemed to need to visit almost everyone we 
                      passed, we put this down to the excitment of the days 
                      events. It soon became an established routine and 
                      joke.

    Tue 9th Oct

    Our first day, after arriving the night before. We stayed in the Hotel 
    until mid morning, then to Florida Mall for some shopping and lunch.

    The Transformer saga, I needed a transformer to step up 110v to 220v so 
    that my single voltage 240v battery charger would charge my battery 
    belt. I was told this sort of thing was "freely available" in the USA. 
    After 4 referrals to other shops, and about 3 visits, (they were out of 
    stock) I eventually got one from 'Bentleys' in the Florida Mall.

    For those who might have a similar problem, this was a FRANZUS - 
    REVERSE ELECTRICITY CONVERTOR Model FR-22, rated at 50 watts (110v -> 
    220v) and priced at $14. Franzus Co Inc. is at Benson Road, P.O. Box 
    #1191, Middlebury, CT 06762.

    15:00 Shopping at CrossRoads for provisions, an excellent place!

    16:00 Dropped into the Disney Village Market Place, looked in the shops 
    and admired the Empress Lily. Saw our first Mickey Mouse outside "Chef 
    Mickey" (briefly) and felt the holiday had really begun. More shopping 
    then on the off chance my planner walked in to enquire about an evening 
    meal. We got a table almost immediately but not before the kids were 
    entranced by bubble blowing machine in the reception area. The food was 
    superb, it was good value and fun. The menus for the kids press out to 
    become a standup cardboard Mickey, Mickey came around all the tables 
    and posed for photos (you will need flash or a very fast film). Back to 
    the hotel to prepare for Wed.

    Wed 10th Oct

    Our carefully constructed plans go wrong immediately when rain is 
    forecast the night before, and it comes (welcome to sunny Florida!).

    Hence, instead of going to Magic Kingdom, we went to EPCOT. Arrived a 
    little before 09:00 and bought 5 day Passports (this gave unlimited 
    access to Typhoon Lagoon, River Country, Pleasure Island in the first 7 
    days from date of purchase).

    First to Imagination, straight onto the ride with no queuing, which we 
    all enjoyed. Then onto Image Works, which again was enjoyed by all.

    A short queue for Captain EO (whilst previous showing ended). My son 
    was scared, my wife enjoyed it, my daughter thought it good but scary, 
    I thought it was noisy and over-rated!

    We exited this to find the jumping fountains, which were imaginative! 
    (Note for camcorder users, this area was very humid and I got a 'Dew' 
    warning, this seemed to be quite commonplace from what I overheard in 
    one of the camera shops).
    
    We then caught the ferry to Morocco, glanced at Japan, and then took 
    shelter at the Liberty Inn at about 12:00, when torrential rained 
    arrived. Snack lunch (plus battling with the American phone system re 
    Reverse Converter).

    The rain finally stopped and we toured the east side of World Showcase, 
    Italy pausing to look at the fountain, Germany a brief visit to one of 
    the Gift shops.

    14:00 found us in China where we waited 17 mins (whilst previous 
    showing ended), mainly because it was pouring again.

    We were entertained by a flautist in the foyer, then into our first 
    Circlevision 360 show, which we all enjoyed.

    14:45 at Norway, waited 10 mins to get onto the Maelstrom ride. The 
    ride was good but the film at the end was less memorable.

    Booked an evening meal, then went on to Mexico. Looked around the 
    Bazaar then onto the boat ride (River of Time?), not very good, rather 
    corny and simple in comparison to the best of Disney rides.

    Drinks in the cafe opposite, then onto Wonders of Life.

    16:00 a 15 min wait for Body Wars, which was very good, exciting etc. 
    all survived but my son was convinced we had been shrunken as per the 
    script. (If its getting too scary look away from the screen at your 
    feet, this ride relies on visual stimuli).

    We exited and went into Cranium Command, this was more restful, the 
    pre-show cartoon was excellent as was the show itself, everyone enjoyed 
    it.

    After this we found long queues for the fitness centre, so with 
    protesting kids we left.

    17:15 found us at Spaceship Earth, where we walked straight on to the 
    ride. We all enjoyed this.

    Back to Norway for dinner, which was good but the most expensive meal 
    we had in WDW!

    Back to hotel at about 20:00.

    Thu 11th Oct

    Non WDW day but using the transport information phone number got all 
    the character voices talking me through the tone selection, meant to 
    get the kids to listen but forgot...

    Fri 12th Oct

    08:00 at EPCOT, having parked the car, we caught the first monorail to 
    Magic Kingdom (we were going to end the day back at EPCOT to see the 
    Illuminations).

    08:30 got to Magic Kingdom, picked up an Entertainment Show Schedule, 
    booked the Diamond Horseshoe Revue for lunch (at Disneyanna 
    Collectables - the new name).

    Then breakfast in comfort at the Crystal Palace, whilst the crowds 
    stood waiting for the rope to go up at 09:00.

    Walked slowly (bedazzled by all we saw) to Big Thunder Mountain at 
    09:20. We 'queued' for 5 mins, in fact most of this was us looking at 
    photographing the view out of the left hand side watching the train go 
    round. On to the ride... WOW! with one parent per child we made the 
    mistake of trying to film as we went round, dont! This was not a good 
    first ride, all of us were flung around, my son was tall enough but the 
    safety bar didn't secure him properly, he was quite scared. It 
    certainly took all our breath away. I managed to hang onto the 
    camcorder all the way round but the picture broke up in a couple of 
    places going to monochrome due to the accelerations pulling the tape of 
    the drum, I guess we were lucky it still worked at all after that!

    09:40 having recovered our breath and removed the wobbly leg we arrived 
    at the Pirates of the Caribbean, no wait quite a good ride.

    10:00 we had planned to do the Jungle Cruise but signs indicated a 30 
    min wait, so we caught the WD Express from Frontierland to Mickeys 
    Starland. (This was a change of name, formerly it was Mickeys Birthday 
    Party).

    The kids got lots of autographs as soon as we stepped out of the 
    station, consequently we missed the 10:30 show. We had a brief look at 
    Mickeys House plus one of many rest room breaks and then into the 11:00 
    show "Mickeys Magical TV World". This was excellent, everyone enjoyed, 
    I videoed the whole show from the back of the audience. (In retrospect 
    a monopod would have been a good idea, more stability and easier on the 
    muscles).

    We exited through the left-hand door but were confused to find 
    ourselves in the tentshop (I guess we missed an announcement), we 
    should have gone straight through the tent and out into the open, into 
    "Meet Mickey Mouse". As a consequence of being a bit slow in doing this 
    we had about 100 more people in the queue ahead of us and an extra 20 
    min wait. Note you dont have to see the show to meet Mickey this is 
    accessible to the public paths near Mickeys House. 

    Note that from 13:30 to 16:30 there were no characters, and there were 
    no shows at 15:30 and 16:30 probably due to the Parade but check the 
    weekly schedule.

    20,000 leagues under the sea was out of commission for refurbishment, 
    so	we then walked back through the castle and briefly listened to the 
    World Band in Liberty Square, again excellent, before making for the 
    Diamond Horse Revue at 12:15.

    The doors opened exactly on time and the Revue took 1.5 hours, with 
    taking the orders, eating the food (sandwiches and cookies in our case) 
    and watching the show. The jokes were corny, the songs ok and the 
    dancing superb. We sat upstairs and thus didn't get 'involved' as those 
    downstairs did. A thoroughly enjoyable entertaining break, the 
    auditorium was just a little too cold for comfort.

    At 14:00 we had a 15 min wait for Peter Pan which all enjoyed with the 
    exception of my son who didn't like the dark.

    Then we went straight onto Cinderellas Carousel which was just loaded, 
    the ride was brief but pleasant.

    After this we waited 20 mins for Dumbo, we knew this was going to be a 
    slow loader but my son was insistent. The ride was nothing special but 
    I had a happy son afterwards.

    We raced back to get in position for the parade. Our carefully chosen 
    spot was at the end of the parade route between the Frontierland 
    Railway Station and Big thunder Mountain. The Parade route crosses the 
    public pathway and goes into a non public area, people were allowed to 
    cross the parade route up until the parade started, it got quite 
    complicated! It was crowded here but had the advantage that each 
    tableau stopped in the non public (but visible area) to greet the 
    celebrity of the parade who had been at the head of the parade.

    I videoed just each float in turn as I was not sure how much battery 
    capacity I had left. My son had sat on my wifes' shoulders to get a 
    better view, so afterwards we stopped at Pecos Bills, for a rest and 
    for drinks.

    At 16:00 we took the Liberty Square Riverboat, a good quiet sit.

    16:20 saw us at the Haunted Mansion, this was clever but not scary or 
    fun, perhaps we had too high expectations of this.

    We then waited 20 mins to take the Skyway to Tommorrowland (I didn't 
    appreciate just how much queuing room there was under cover and hence 
    how long it was going to take). However the kids wanted to do it, and 
    the enjoyed both the ride and the view, the parental feelings were 
    mixed, you saw how everything related to each other (but you can see 
    that on a map) we also saw the flat roofs of everything, the 
    attractions are clearly designed to be seen from ground level.

    We walked through Tommorrowland to the exit at 18:00 leaving early to 
    avoid the end of day crowds (at 19:00). It took 30 mins to get to EPCOT 
    via the monorail. (Note the monorail from the Ticket and Transportation 
    Centre to EPCOT goes round FutureWorld before stopping at the station).

    We had dinner at the Odyssey Restaurant (about twice as expensive as a 
    comparable McDonalds).

    At 19:55 we walked onto the World of Motion ride with no waiting, a 
    good entertaining ride with a lot of humour.

    We then bought some fast film and waited for the Illuminations in the 
    World Showcase Plaza. The Illuminations had apparently only just 
    restarted (cancelled due to the mosquito problem). We had to sit down 
    to watch (on the ground) this gave everyone a chance to see. Although 
    we were back from the railings we were actually quite close to a 
    loudspeaker for the music.

    WELL! WOW! fireworks will never be the same again! You can tell we were 
    quite impressed.

    Finally we walked backed tired but happy to our car parked 14 hours 
    earlier, it was so close we didn't have to wait to catch a tram.

    Sat 13th Oct

    Shopping again in Florida Mall, then off to River Country, which we 
    thought would be better (than Typhoon Lagoon) for my son. We felt 
    rather dumb when we found out it was closed for refurbishment (it was 
    actually printed on the 5 day passports but in very small print).

    Ever flexible we headed at 15:30 to Typhoon Lagoon. We thought that the 
    Wave pool would be too much for my son and that only Castaway Creek 
    would be suitable, we were wrong! The kids loved both, and we 
    determined to return to take advantage of our 5 day passports.

    Back to Chef Mickeys for dinner (having booked it this time), there was 
    a Boat show on and we had to park a long way away. We could have parked 
    closer using Valet Parking but didn't fancy it.

    The dinner was again superb; the food was good, Mickey came around 
    twice, once for photos and then to sign the popout menus, very 
    attentive service as well. My son decided that Mickey couldn't be doing 
    the cooking as he was always out front with the customers!

    Sun 14th Oct

    The MGM day, we arrived at 07:30 not having had any breakfast to find 
    that this was the first day of the new week and the opening was an hour 
    later than we thought! We retreated to a local McDonalds for breakfast 
    and returned just before 08:30.

    (Note Magic Kingdom is the only park where you can get partially in, to 
    eat breakfast, before the park officially opens).

    MGM opened at 08:30 and by 8:45 we were going straight onto the Great 
    Movie ride, (we did the gangster option, although I am still not clear 
    how we could do the other option). The ride was good and I videoed some 
    of it. The kids have videos of the Wizard of Oz and Mary Poppins so 
    they enjoyed those bits.

    At 09:05 we joined the Backstage Tour (including Catastrophe Canyon) 
    with no wait. The most exciting part was Catastrophe Canyon, (I was 
    nearest the flood but the camcorder was inside a large plastic bag and 
    only the lens got wet). We broke off after the tram ride to see the 
    Indiana Jones Stunt Theatre.

    However we met the Turtles at the end of the stage act on Mickeys 
    Avenue (my son is a fan). We stopped to get the autographs (three of 
    the four plus April). (This put my son several levels up when he got 
    home because we dont buy him the toys, but he now has the autographs 
    and photos).

    09:45 we got into the Indiana Jones Stunt Theatre, seated at the back 
    (every one was under cover). I videoed the 30 min show, which was 
    tiring (no wall to lean on, no monopod). The show was good, including 
    the humour. I particularly liked watching all the logistical manoeuvres 
    in the background moving the various bits of scenery around.

    10:40 we had drinks at Starring Rolls, opposite the Theatre of the 
    Stars.

    11:30 Theatre of the Stars show "Hollywood, Hollywood" having seated 
    ourselves earlier to get seats at the front. This was out in the open 
    but it was not too hot. The kids were entranced, we all enjoyed the 
    show.

    12:10 Magic of Disney in the Animation Building, a 10 min wait, there 
    were very few employees working on the Sunday so it had a deserted 
    look, nevertheless we enjoyed the films. We found that there were 2 
    repeats of the Video monitors before you got caught up in the next 
    tour.

    We left after this and drove to EPCOT, parked took the monorail to the 
    TTC and then the ferry to the Magic Kingdom.

    We had a late lunch at the Crystal Palace (14:15), the food was again 
    good and there was a quartet of strolling players, playing requests 
    while you had lunch. Magic!

    15:00 the Jungle Cruise only a 10 min wait (whilst the Parade was on). 
    My wife and the rest enjoyed it something about being out in the open, 
    rather than in the dark of other rides.

    16:15 a 10 min wait for the Country Bear Vacation Hoe-down, corny but 
    good, memorable too for the pre- show announcement "remember folks move 
    Allllllllllllllllllll the way down'.

    We thought a quiet break on Tom Sawyers Island would be a good idea but 
    my son tired himself out running around.

    Back on the 'mainland' a 5 min wait for Snow White, very disappointing, 
    it seemed to concentrate on the nasty aspects of the story.

    Then on to Magic Journeys. We had to wait 15 mins for this (while 
    previous showing ended), then I and my son slept through this. The 
    female section of the family said it was good but too long.
    
    18:45 caught the monorail to EPCOT.

    19:15 The Livings Seas didn't stay long as we were hungry and tired.

    20:10 Farmers Market in The Land for food but most things were shutting 
    by then. There were no queues in The Land but by then fed but still 
    tired we left for the hotel at 20:45.

    Mon 15th Oct

    Arrived at Typhoon Lagoon mid morning, got a map of the layout from 
    Singapore Sal's (not from the entrance), and studied the layout. 
    Various members of the family were videoed/photographed prior to lunch 
    at the Leaning Palms.

    Three of us went on part of Castaway Creek. My son went to Ketchakiddee 
    Creek (he was too short to go on any of the individual adult rides); on 
    slides, inflatable rings and just messing about with jets of water etc. 
    This was really good but we nevertheless kept an eye on him. My 
    daughter and I went on one of the individual rides, to be recorded for 
    posterity by my wife.

    An adequate lunch followed by ride on the Gang Plank Falls (a family 
    sized inflatable raft), again exhilarating.

    Finally back to the Surfpool (where the pattern changes every hour, 
    surfing alternating with normal up and down sea motion).

    We left just before closing time at 18:00. We were very impressed with 
    everything we saw, wonderful attention to detail, especially the number 
    and rotation of Life-guards plus the humour, one of them stopped my 
    wife dead by making the usual Disney "... no videoing or flash 
    photography allowed..." when he saw her getting ready to video the 
    Surfpool.

    The Unofficial Guide says Typhoon Lagoon is equivalent to Wet-n-Wild 
    but is landscaped, I would guess this is true.

    To Crossroads for dinner (at McDonalds because TGIF was too busy).

    Tue 16th Oct

    To Kennedy Space Centre, where it rained a lot. Highlights were the 
    IMAX film and watching Discovery return from Edwards atop of the 747. 
    The Space centre can take a full day. We then went to Coco Beach to 
    paddle in the other side of the Atlantic.

    Wed 17th Oct

    Another visit to MGM, we were waiting as it opened at 08:30 (half an 
    hour earlier than published).

    08:40 saw us boarding Star Tours - what a way to start the day. This 
    ride is very similar in concept to Body Wars but was more amusing. 
    There was no wait, we walked straight on and thus missed all the little 
    items designed to amuse the queues.

    On the way to the Backstage Tour, we met a load of characters by the 
    Studio Gate Arch, there were lots of them, all clowning about, probably 
    the best encounter we had, I finally got a photo of my wife with 
    Mickey.

    09:05 Backstage Tour, again. In Catastrophe Canyon my son was more 
    scared the second time because he was closer to the heat (I was on the 
    dry side this time).

    On the way to the start of the walking tour we stopped again to listen 
    to the Looney Bins, then onto the Backstage Plaza for the Turtles show, 
    they turned up on time but just signed autographs, then made off (it 
    turned out later to do a TV special for Christmas). The area was very 
    crowded so no more autographs.

    10:30 delayed by Turtles and me getting separated from the rest of the 
    family, we wait for 15 mins for the Backstage Walking tour to begin. 
    (We couldn't get to the left-hand door this was being used by people in 
    wheelchairs.)

    This took an hour and was quite interesting, it was surprising how 
    interested the kids were, we all liked the joke about the Mickey Mouse 
    watch at the end. Best bit for the adults was probably the making of 
    the Bette Midler film - The Lottery.

    11:30 saw us sitting at the Starring Rolls enjoying a well earned rest 
    and drink, from here we watched part of the Dick Tracy Show. The view 
    was not as good as from the auditorium but we were free to get drinks 
    etc. and it was in the shade.

    About 12:00ish we exited and drove to EPCOT and caught the monorail to 
    Magic Kingdom. We plucked up courage and asked to sit up front with the 
    driver, it was great we felt like VIPs (thanks Notes file).

    Arrived at Magic Kingdom at 13:00 and ran into another set of 
    characters in the Town Square (and finally met Minnie). autograph books 
    carefully pocketed we made our way to the Crystal Palace for lunch to 
    be serenaded by the Quartet again, very enjoyable.

    14:00 up the Swiss Family Treehouse (some interesting views from here 
    if you peered through the leaves).

    Then across to Tommorrowland whilst the Parade was on. My son was not 
    tall enough/brave enough for Space Mountain so he and my wife went on 
    the Wedway People Mover whilst my daughter and I rode Space Mountain. 
    Surprisingly for a fairly tough individual this was my sons favourite 
    ride, very gentle but nevertheless very enjoyable.

    Meanwhile at 14:45 my daughter and I tackled the Mountain, WELL it was 
    very scary, I had to sit up front, with my daughter behind me, and try 
    to appear not too afraid, it is very bumpy, and being in the dark you 
    can't see which way the track goes, also I haven't done any 
    rollercoasters before, except Thunder Mountain. All of this is to 
    explain I had slightly wobbly knees on exiting from the ride, swearing 
    never to do it again. Whilst on the ride I was literally in two minds, 
    the objective one telling me that Disney hadn't killed anyone on this 
    ride, whilst the subjective was telling me it was about to happen.

    The two halves of the family re-unite to do the Dreamflight at 15:05, 
    there were no queues (Parade time), averageish ride the period touches 
    on the Flying Boat were good.

    At 15:10 we planned to do American Journeys but there was a 20 min wait 
    (whilst previous showing ended) so by way of contrast to Space Mountain 
    we all do the Wedway People Mover, very gentle.

    Back to American Journeys, the CircleVision effect is beginning to wear 
    off, also it is tiring for my wife to hold my son up so he can see, and 
    my daughter is too heavy to hold up and hence cant see too well.

    16:00 we exit for EPCOT, (another ride up front on the Monorail but its 
    raining this time).

    17:00 sees up in World Showcase Plaza, where we bumped into more 
    characters doing a greeting/show.

    Then we made some mistakes, we wanted Ice cream, which we should have 
    bought in the Plaza, instead we caught a bus to Italy. We were tired by 
    this stage as we meant to go to France but got off too early). So we 
    walked to France looking for Ice cream all the time, none to be seen. 
    Instead we had a snack in the Boulangerie in France which was good but 
    very expensive compared to prices in the real France).

    Still rather jaded by this time, we ignored the U.K. and decided we 
    couldn't take another CircleVision so we also passed Canada.

    18:50 saw us in The Land watching the Kitchen Kaberet, very simple but 
    he kids liked it.

    Ice cream in the Farmers Market!, then at 19:45 a 12 min wait for 
    Listen to the Land, not up to the best of Disney or our expectations 
    from reading write-ups.

    Then at 20:15 Symbiosis, we cant remember much about this.

    20:45 we walked into Energy and did the ride (there were very few 
    people about, we didn't realise they would start it so close to the 
    21:00 finish time). We in fact exited from this at 21:15, obviously 
    still jaded as, I couldn't see the point of this, it seemed to be 
    concentrating on fossil fuel).

    21:30 we left EPCOT very tired and then walked rather than trammed to 
    the car since all the crowd from the Illuminations were leaving as 
    well.

    Thu 18th Oct

    Went to Sea World a bit of a let down, rather second rate in 
    comparison.

    Fri 19th Oct

    Favourites Day at Magic Kingdom and EPCOT, doing all the things we 
    liked most again!

    Parked at EPCOT caught the Monorail to Magic Kingdom, and breakfasted 
    at the Crystal Palace.

    My daughter and I did Big Thunder Mountain whilst my wife and son took 
    the WDW Express to Mickeys Starland.

    Big Thunder Mountain is quite easy if all you do is hold on! We then 
    caught the Railway to Mickeys Starland to rejoin the other two.

    On their arrival at Mickeys Starland, they had met a lot of characters, 
    and there were not many other people around. My son then looked at the 
    Farmyard and played in the Playground, a happy son but a bored mother.

    Two trains later we meet up, and take a longer look at Mickey's House.

    Then we meet Cinderella (my daughter favourite autograph, as she was 
    human and thus talked).

    Then through to Fanatasyland and the Mad Tea Party. This was new and my 
    wife and kids rode whilst I videoed it. When it finished there was one 
    dazed mother (the kids were controlling the rate of spin) and two 
    amused kids.

    We then walked back to the front of Cinderella's Castle for the 11:00 
    Disneymania show. We arrived early, and I reserved a space under the 
    trees on the 'hub', whilst the others rode a car down Mainstreet to the 
    entrance in the reverse direction to the crowds. This filled in some 
    time, there was no queue, and it was only a 5 min walk back. Along the 
    way they got drinks from the Refreshment corner, which we consumed 
    during the show.

    I videoed all 30 mins of the show there were a large number of people 
    who just walked right in front of us. It might have been better in 
    hindsight to have stood on the right-hand spoke path leading to 
    Tommorowland Terrace but there would have been no shade.

    11:40 we rode Peter Pan my son was not scared this time.

    At 12:15 we left the Magic Kingdom, having failed to find somewhere 
    quiet to have lunch, on the way back to the entrance.

    We caught a different Monorail from a different platform to go 
    anti-clockwise to go to the Contemporary Resort.

    We ate in the Concourse Grill, it was quiet,the service was very 
    sympathetic, and we had a quiet table away from other people. The food 
    was superb and very good value, we could see the Monorail going through 
    - highly recommended. (Note meals cost less at lunch time than dinner 
    and break the day up.)

    Refreshed, we took a lift to the 15th floor and went through the Top of 
    the World Lounge, out on to the Observation Deck. Impressive views of 
    the Seven Seas Lagoon, Magic Kingdom and Bay Lake.

    We then left for EPCOT arriving at 15:00.

    We walked straight onto Spaceship Earth, then to Imagination, which was 
    spoilt by others using Flash photography and some of Image Works.

    Then to Wonders of Life; Cranium Command and some of the hands on 
    exhibits plus Goofys show - fairly average.

    Horizons beckoned (new) as there was no wait but we wouldn't repeat 
    this out of choice.

    Re-did World of Motion, with the kids in one car and us in another. Saw 
    "The Bird and the Robot" in the TransCenter, for the first time, very 
    amusing.

    18:45 tea at the Odyssey, we entered just as a character show was 
    ending.

    19:20 saw us at World Showcase Plaza, with only one spot left up by the 
    railings, for the Illuminations at 21:00! we reserved some floor space 
    with bags whilst I sat in my spot by the railings. My wife took the 
    kids to the Rest Rooms, identifying herself to the Disney staff as they 
    exited the roped off area (this was a good idea since they probably 
    wouldn't have been able to get back in, the numbers were carefully 
    controlled).

    When the Illuminations ran, I managed to set the camcorder to point 
    straight ahead at the 'globe', which recorded the main display whilst 
    photographing the display with the stills camera. This worked out 
    pretty well, the only problem being the music was a bit faint as we 
    were in front of all the loudspeakers.

    The wait was a bit tedious, the only time when there was no 
    entertainment, both my wife and I read English children stories to the 
    kids surrounded by a multi-lingual crowd.

    The only entertainment besides us was the Disney staff giving 
    permission to the crowd to lynch or throw in the water anyone who was 
    not sitting down 10 mins before the Illuminations began!

    The Illuminations were as good as ever, a fitting climax to our five 
    days.

    We walked out slowly with much regret....
183.52December interlude...POWDML::OSEASOHNWed Dec 26 1990 16:4348
    This may be one of the last 1990 reports -- and probably one of the
    shortest!  My husband, sister, and I were in Diney World Dec 5-10.  Too
    short, of course.  We stayed at the Caribbean Beach Resort, which was
    GREAT.  Only mistake -- should have asked for no-smoking rooms; my
    sister's room was particularly stinky from a previous occupant.  We
    were in Jamaica -- I think it's the NICEST colors -- yellow, with blue
    roofs -- and very conveniently located directly across Parrot Cay from
    Old Port Royale.  We found the buses very convenient -- never waited
    more than 5 minutes, and almost everything was very direct ( except
    Discovery Island to Typhoon Lagoon, but that's really asking a lot!)
    
    We spent the first day in the Magic Kingdom.  Disappointed that the
    Haunted Mansion was closed; loved Big Thunder Mountain Railway as much
    as ever; and really liked the 3-D film that was moved here from Epcot
    when it was replaced there by Captain EO.  Dinner that night at Epcot
    in Italy (Alfredo's) -- very nice.  Caught Captain EO between dinner
    and Illuminations, which was great, but meant we saw Illuminations from
    the end of the lagoon, over people's heads -- not a good idea.
    
    Second day to MGM (this was our first time at MGM).  Loved it.  The
    Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular was (spectacular); the Animation place
    and Backstage Tour were super.  Lunch at the 50's Prime Time Cafe' -- I
    loved the old TV clips, but my table mates found them distracting. 
    Dinner at the Portobello Yacht Club (great service, OK food) and
    evening at Pleasure Island -- really enjoyed the Comedy Warehouse and
    the Neon Armidillo.
    
    Third day to Epcot; did everything; saw EO again from further back in
    the theater (makes the 3-D work better, for me anyway).  Dinner in
    Morocco, with belly dancer (sincere but not very skilled).  Good food.
    
    Fourth day back to MGM to re-do almost everything, and see the
    fireworks there that night.  Fifth day breakfast at the Grand
    Floridian, then to Discovery Island (wonderful birds) and a quick trip
    to Typhoon Lagoon (it was sunny but still pretty cool).  Then home!
    (boo-hoo).
    
    Tips -- they just put mini-bars and Mr Coffe coffee pots in the rooms
    at the CBR while we were there.  Bring some ground coffee, filters,
    creamer, and mugs, and avoid paying $2 for the coffee-in-a-filter bag
    sold in the mini bar.  Also, we saved 20% at all restaurants in the
    Disney World hotels (and the Portobello Yacht Club)  by showing our 
    Delta frequent flyer card (good only between Thanksgiving and
    Christmas).  It also saved us $5/nt at the CBR.
    
    
    Thanksgiving and Christmas). 
    
183.53TLE::FELDMANLarix decidua, var. decifySun Mar 17 1991 23:11409
I'm so embarrassed.  This must be a new record for delay in posting a trip
report.  I wrote up the first few days from my notes soon after we got
back, but with planning for a second major trip that year, and changing
projects and offices, I let this slide.  So the tail end of this report is
from my memory (which seems to be pretty good, given that it's over nine
months ago).

Trip summary:

    Flew down to West Palm Beach on Fri. 18 May, 1990.  Drove to Walt Disney 
    World on Mon. 21 May.  Drove back to southern Florida on Fri 25 May.  Flew
    back to New England on Mon. 28 May.

    Had a great time, drove past Universal but didn't go in, can hardly
    wait to go again.

    Best ride: still Space Mountain
    Best new ride: Star Tours
    Best food: Norway
    Scariest ride: The plane landing in Pittsburgh

Fri. 18 May

    Talk about hectic.  Our flight was for about noon.  I awoke at 5:30.
    You'd think that was plenty of time, right?  Wrong.  I had to knock off
    some letters to local newspapers, announcing a meeting of the recycling
    committee (one body, four addresses, easy but time consuming on my
    Mac).  I also had to pack.  As we pulled out of the driveway, we
    decided that having our ladder propped up against the side of the
    house, extended most of the way, was a bad idea for a ten-day vacation.
    So we got out of the car, and put the ladder into the garage.  32-foot
    ladders are clumsy.

    We got to the Worcester airport about 10 minutes before the plane was
    scheduled to leave.  I stood by the gate entrance while Bob parked the
    car.  My big concern was that he wouldn't find a spot; I couldn't see
    any from the terminal (which is slightly uphill from the parking lot).
    He somehow managed to make it, after passing up one dubious looking
    spot.

    We were flying US Air, which meant Worcester to Pittsburgh, and
    changing planes to continue to West Palm Beach.  The snack on the plane
    was essentially a cold Reuben -- corned beef and cheese on rye, with
    dressing, but not cooked.

    The landing into Pittsburgh was the scariest of any flight I remember.
    As we came in, from the northeast, the plane would periodically drop a
    few feet, causing that nauseous feeling of weightlessness.  Knowing
    that microbursts are strong, sudden bursts of wind aimed down, and that
    they're a leading cause of plane crashes, and that this wasn't a Disney
    special effect, made the landing tense.  For what it's worth, it wasn't
    the pilot.  A colleague of mine flew from Manchester, NH to Pittsburgh
    the same day, also on US Air, and had a similar experience.  So it was
    the weather.

    We were early, so we had to idle until our gate freed up.  We toured
    the airport a bit (not much to see).  The connecting flight left late,
    due to a maintenance write-up.  (Now my confidence is really shaken.)
    Yet the flight was uneventful.  It was an MD-80, which is a new version
    of the DC-9; the window shades even said DC-9.  There was a choice for
    lunch.  Stuffed shells or minestrone and salad.  Next time I ask for a
    vegetarian lunch.

    When we finally landed, I told Bob that if he could survive the flight,
    he should have no qualms about Body Wars.

    The West Palm Beach airport tries to make sure you know you're in the
    Palm Beaches.  It's very elegant.  We also learned that travelling with
    a partner is most efficient.  I took care of the paperwork on the car
    while Bob got the luggage.  We finished at about the same time, with an
    extra minute for Bob to sign as the second driver.  We got a Dodge
    Shadow from National, at the reserved price, with no hassles, and no
    pressure for extras.  The only problem with the car is that it was
    burgundy, which is too dark for that part of the country.  I'm glad to
    see that American manufacturers are putting the little extras, like
    remote trunk releases, into their no-frills cars; they didn't used to.

Interlude: Sat. and Sunday.

    I won't bore you too much with these days (if I haven't bored you
    already).  We discovered that all the outdoor recreation places in the
    area where my mother lives (Deerfield Beach and environs, halfway
    between West Palm Beach and Fort Lauderdale) had closed down.  We also
    decided that the rental cars could get some great advertising if they
    would give away a car sunshade (one of those cardboard affairs) with
    every rental.  We wound up buying a pair, for front and back.

    I also lost my sunglasses on Saturday, which had me most upset.  I
    bought a new medium-priced pair on Sunday, but they're not the same.
    The good news is that my mother has since found them, so I've got them
    back (yea!).

Monday, May 23.

    We left for Disney World at 8:44 AM.  It went faster than the last time
    I was there, now that the speed limit has gone up to 65.  I missed the
    first cross-road to get to the turnpike, proving that even Florida can
    have lousy road signs.  There was just one speed trap that we could
    see, south of Kissimmee, but they do things big down there -- three
    police cars pulled out at once.  We made one pit stop, without eating, and
    arrived at the Customs House at the Caribean Beach Resort at 12:15.
    There were many lines available, so it seemed busy, but we got lucky
    when they opened a new line and called us over.

    We wound up with connecting center courtyard rooms in the Jamaica
    complex (the yellow ones).  We had one room with a king sized bed, and
    one with two doubles.  One of the rooms was at the corner, which meant
    two large windows, and twice the view.  For those interested in decor,
    the rooms had yellow-beige walls, blue carpeting, blue stenciling at the
    ceiling, and multi-colored pastel quilts.

    We lunched at Old Port Royale (our only full meal there).  Adequate,
    but nothing to write about.

    We next went to get my mother's Four Season Florida Salutes pass (Bob
    and I already had ours, from the local Disney Store), at the Disney-MGM
    Studio's gate.  See my note 166.65 for details on the pass.

    The cast members at the station where they photographed my mother for
    her pass were at their extra-friendly Disney best.  They took an extra
    four-way shot of my mother and myself, for us to have as a souvenier.
    I was surprised at the arrangements here.  We went through the guest
    relations office into an outside area, which I believe is between the
    offfice and the back of Sid's antiques.  We were guided by rows of
    potted trees into a trailer that was set up for photographing guests
    for passes.  Somehow, I expected something more permanent.

    We didn't go in at that time, as we had dinner reservations and didn't
    feel like spending such a short time at the park.  When we got back to
    room, I remembered to make reservations for the next two days.  I was
    surprised to find out that at 2:30 Monday, both the Prime Time Cafe and
    the Coral Reef Restaurant were fully booked for Tuesay lunch and
    Tuesday dinner, respectively.  It turns out they only hold back 10% of
    the seating space for the advance reservations by Resort Guests.  So I
    made a dinner reservation for Chefs de France, and figured we'd take
    our chances on lunch.

    We used the free time to go to Disney Village and spend money.  We made
    90% of our purchases here, using the MKC card.  Watching the robots
    making the airbrushed T-shirts was the highlight of this visit.

    For dinner, we went to King Henry's Feast.  See note 116.48 for a review.
    Our conclusion about King Henry's Feast is that it was well worth the
    $25/person ($23/person with our discount coupon), and that we would
    recommend it to others, although it's not the sort of thing we'd want
    to see a second time.

    After dinner, we drove around International Drive.  At about 9PM, we
    were able to find the entrance to Universal Studios, which had opened
    for their soft opening that day.  This was closing time, so we didn't
    even think about going in.  From the outside, it looked most
    impressive, and we added it to our list (for the next trip).  The
    spinning globe which is outside the gate is small, but really nice at
    night.  The long palm-lined drive to the parking lot from the road is
    one of those extra touches that reminded me of Disney's concern with
    details and first impressions.  We believe that this place has real
    potential, once they get the bugs worked out.

Tuesday, May 22.

    This was our first big day, and of course I was excited enough to get
    up at 5:30.  I made my way to Old Port Royale, and was pleased to see
    that they were running the sprinklers at this ecologically sound hour
    (later in the day, too much water would evaporate without benefitting
    the plants).  This was too early for OPR: the bakery opened at 6, the
    pizza place (which had cold cereal and some other standard breakfast
    fare) opened at 6:30, while the rest opened at 7.  This seemed silly to
    me, since they were making such a big deal of letting guests into MGM
    at 7am.  Anyway, I brought food back for Bob and me, took my mother's
    order, and had time to make a second trip.  We drove to MGM, since we
    wanted to have the car handy for later.

    We arrived at MGM around 7:15.  After renting a wheelchair for my
    mother, we went to the Prime Time Cafe and had no trouble making
    reservations for 12:15 lunch.  Taking the advice of the Unofficial
    Guide, we proceeded first to the Monster Sound Show.  I got chosen for the
    Foley box (the only time any of us were volunteered).  In spite of the
    sparse audience (maybe 20-30 people), this was fun.  For those of you
    who don't know, Foley boxes are used for various footsteps.  This one
    had wood, concrete, crushed stone, and one other surface.  In spite of
    wearing sneakers, the sound came out clearly, and sometimes it was even
    in synch with the movie.

    Next stop was the Great Movie Ride.  Again, attendance was quite light;
    we were in the back car, while the front car was sent out empty; I
    don't remember whether they even bothered to put a driver into it.   We
    waited a while in the car while "the orchestra got their act together"
    before the ride started.  We had a trainee driver, with another cast
    member riding in the car, taking notes.  She did a good job, especially
    when we were ambushed, although it was difficult to hear her at times.
    The ride was quite enjoyable, although it didn't live up to my
    expectations, which had been set too high.  I got the biggest kick out
    of seeing the props from Casablanca in the lobby.

    Next was the studio tour.  This was a reasonable time to go, because
    much of the staff was at work (remember, it's a real studio), although
    they don't seem to do any filming in the mornings.  The costume and
    wood shops are impressive.  The neat part of Catastophe Canyon for me
    was noticing that they even blow hot air at the guests, to increase the
    sensation of the fire.  It wasn't real though -- who's going to believe
    an earthquake in Florida?  They should have done a sinkhole.

    At the midpoint of the tour, we spent a fair bit of time examining the
    details of the New York City scene.  The work is incredible.  Some of
    the masonry seems so realistic, even to the touch.  You have to knock
    on it to realize that it's fake.  The perspective at the end of the
    street is also wonderful, and it isn't ruined by going close up (as
    close as they allow).  I was disappointed by the joke shop at this end
    -- they didn't have very much original merchandise.

    For the second half of the tour, the walking part, we were in Al's
    group.  If you get a chance, volunteer for the water effects part at
    the beginning.  It's lots of fun, and you don't have to worry about
    getting wet (much :-).  We were cheated on the rest of the tour because
    only one of the Warren Beatty video segments was working.  Fortunately,
    the tour guide made up for it.  (Who's group are you with?  AL'S
    GROUP!)  The other video effects (the Bette Midler film and the Honey,
    I Enlarged the Bees) worked fine.  We got to see the stage for Let's
    Make A Deal, when they were testing the lighting.  It looked pretty
    complete at the time.
    
    We finished the backstage tour at 10:45.  We took a break at the
    Soundstage Restaurant.  It's worth going in here, just to see the set
    from Big Business, even if you're not hungry.  We next proceeded to the
    Animation Studio, where we met the first line of the day, which seemed
    to be about 15 minutes long.  We bypassed the line, however, because of
    my mother's wheelchair.  We felt guilty about that, since there was no
    reason we couldn't have waited like everyone else, and by this time, my
    mother was getting restless enough to want to do some walking, but now
    felt obligated to stay in the chair.  The Animation Studio was very
    enjoyable, and we spent some additional time in the store at the end.

    Lunch was served by big brother at the Prime Time Cafe.  See note
    39.118 for my review.

    After lunch we got on line for the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular.  The
    problem with going to these things after a large lunch, not to mention
    getting up at 5:30 in the morning, is that both my mother and I dozed a
    bit during the show.  Still, I managed to take in most of it.  They had
    a running joke with one of the guests who volunteered to participate,
    and at one point it seemed as though he was a ringer, although I'm now
    convinced that they just substituted a stunt double for the guest for
    one scene.  Again, they used heaters or hot air blowers to increase the
    sensation; we were seated all the way in the back, and there's no way
    the heat from the flames on stage could have reached us that quickly.

    The Guest of Honor for the week was Gary Burghoff, who was scheduled to
    appear for the 3pm parade.  These guests must get real tired of putting
    their hands in cement once a day for five days, since he seemed to have
    pulled stings with Father Mulcahey.  A downpour started just as his car
    reached the end of the parade route, before he got out, ruining the
    cement, sending him back towards the main entrance gate, and everyone
    else to the nearest shelter.  We took this opporunity to go to 
    SuperStar TV.

    I found the rapid-fire pace of Superstar TV to be a bit much.  I think
    they try to fit too many scenes into each show.  Nevertheless, it's an
    enjoyable show, especially if you can recognize many of the scenes.  If
    you think abou it, it's a truly impressive directorial effort -- moving
    cameras back and forth all over the stage, switching the currently
    active camera, directing all these amateur stars, and so on.

    Last stop for us was Star Tours.  We advised my mother not to go on it,
    because of her heart condition, at least until we had tried it.
    Amazingly, there was no line.  We got middle-front seats, and really
    enjoyed it.  On exit, I told my mother that I thought it was perfectly
    tame enough for her and that she should go on it.  Bob disagreed, and
    my mother followed his advice (but she made up for it the next day at
    Epcot).  I'm sure she'll go on it next time she's there, and she'll
    love it.

    That just about exhausted MGM for us.  We headed out, after making a
    brief stop at the Antique store, and returning the wheel chair,
    remember to get a receipt to use at Epcot.  We took the bus from MGM to
    Epcot, figuring we'd have time for one or two attractions before
    dinner.

    At Epcot, we spent time at the AmEx travel videotex systems, and the
    Exxon energy exhibit, being sure to contribute to the relatively low
    opinion of oil companies when it comes to caring for the environment.
    We then headed for Horizons, where we first learned how poor Epcot is
    at handicapped access.  They kept the wheelchair at the entrance, and
    we had to return there (by staying on the ride, if my memory is
    correct) to pick it up.  Horizons hasn't changed for as long as I can
    remember - pleasant, but bland.

    Dinner was at France.  In going here, I broke my rule about not taking
    my mother to French restaurants.  She doesn't appreciate French sauces. 
    She lived up to expectations, and I won't break my rule next time, even
    if it means eating at Alfredo's twice.  We both ordered the salmon -
    mine with the tarragon sauce, my mother's with ketchup.  Bob had the
    duck.  Food and dessert were very good, although the ice cream souffle
    isn't nearly as good as it sounds.

    We went to Spaceship Earth after dinner.  Again, the arrangements for
    the handicapped are poor.  People in wheelchairs have to go all the way
    around to the exit, where an attendant escorts them to the ride (when
    he isn't busy directing people off the ride).  This ride has enough
    fine detail that it's enjoyable again and again.  I had forgotten the
    dome at the top, and the steepness of the ride.

    Afterwards, my mother was ready to hit the sack.  So we went out, found
    the right bus for her to head back to the CBR, while we headed back to
    MGM.  We found out later that my mother had trouble finding the room,
    which upset her, but she made it back safely.

    We got back to MGM around 9pm.  We went on the Great Movie Ride again,
    in order to be able to get the other act.  We had no trouble getting
    seated in the front car, with an excellent driver, Jason.  The
    wild-west gunslinger who took over the car at the shoot out was a
    little less believable.  Sitting in the front car, we were much closer
    to the Wicked Witch at the Wizard of Oz scene.  The witch is a very good
    effect, but it still isn't lifelike.

    We went on Star Tours again (still no line).  We hung back at the
    entrance, in order to listen to all the patter from the droids. 
    Definitely the best pre-show entertainment.  The ride was so empty that
    the cast member who boarded us announced that the back corner seats
    were the roughest seats, and that we were free to move back there if we
    wished.  I took him up on it, as did some teenager who seemed to be
    trying to set a record for riding Star Tours the most times in an hour. 
    They attendant was right -- the motions in the back corner are
    definitely greater than in the center.

    We stayed for the fireworks, and then headed out.  Our car, which we had
    parked in the very first row early in the morning, was one of only two
    or three cars left in that row at the end of the day.  All in all, it
    was a long, wonderful day.

Rest of trip:

    Here's where I stopped transcribing my notes.  They're probably around
    somewhere, but after nine months, I'm not going to worry about finding
    them.

    The short of it is that we continued to have a great time.  Wednesday
    was Epcot day.  My mother went on her own for most of the rest of the trip. 
    She was tired of the wheelchair, her feet were holding up well,
    and she felt guilty by holding us back.  She had no problems for the
    rest of the trip.

    She did go on Body Wars.  She enjoyed it, but didn't think it was anything
    special.  For all her ills, she's one tough customer (and the rest of
    you folks who got upset on this ride are all wimps, so there!).  I
    enjoyed it too, but the entertainment value wasn't as good as at Star
    Tours.  We spent significant time at the entire Hall of Life exhibit.

    The ride at Norway was too mild.  I'll start my nephew on it next year,
    to see how he reacts, but if he's like his brother was at that age,
    he'll be ready for Big Thunder Mountain.  We did get some useful
    information from their tourist office, which helped us decide to change
    our plans for our trip to Scandinavia later that year.  (We went to
    Bergen instead of Trondheim, in case anyone's interested.)  Lunch at
    the Norway restaurant was excellent.  Judging by our later experience,
    it was authentic (though the only smorgasbord we got to do was in
    Copenhagen).

    Unfortunately, we were too late to get a good spot for Illuminations,
    but we managed.  Next time, we'll do a better job of planning.

    Thursday was Magic Kingdom day.  We had breakfast at the restaurant
    just inside the park.  Service was slow, and there was something else
    about the food that I don't remember, but was wrong.  Next time, we'll
    look for something better, or else go earlier.

    We went to Tom Sawyer's island; I think it was my first time there in
    all of my visits.  Lunch was disappointing; the only choices were
    ham&cheese (which I won't eat) and peanut butter & jelly, at prices
    that were too high for the meal.  On the way back to the mainland, the
    castmember controlling the raft was talking with another castmember
    about how the rotation policy they were supposed to have wasn't being
    implemented.  I can sympathize with them -- it's rough being out their
    in the hot sun for several hours, and part of the problem was that
    people were getting training, and hence there weren't enough staff to
    properly rotate the people on the rafts. I don't suppose that many
    guests on the raft noticed or cared about this conversation, but after
    reading this notes file, my expectations are higher.

    After doing a lot of hunting around, we were able to find and enjoy
    some Dole Whip.  We also checked out the "custom woodwork" shop, and
    were disappointed.  We were hoping to find something interesting to
    mount over the doorways of our kitchen, but instead all they had were
    the typical custom-carved name plaques that you can find at many
    shopping malls.  I also checked out the kitchen store at Liberty Square
    to try to find a Mickey waffle iron (that's another story), but no luck
    there.

    Dinner was at the Fireworks Factory at Pleasure Island.  The food was
    excellent, except that they put salt on the outside of the baked
    potatoes, which ruined it for my mother (who can't have the salt, and
    who prefers the skin to the innards).  After paying a reduced entrance
    fee for Pleasure Island, we wandered around and found our way to the
    Adventurer's Club.  Definitely the best attraction for our tastes.  We
    stayed through two shows in the library, two lectures, and one drinking
    event in the main hall.  Some of the effects in the side halls are
    superb, especially given how close they let you get.  This is on our
    must see list.

    We made it over to the Comedy Club in time for the second show of the
    evening (around 10, I guess).  Good, but not great.

    Friday was repeat day.  I don't recall much, but I do remember spending
    my last bit of cash on Jelly Babies at the UK pavillion at Epcot.
    (Fans of Doctor Who will know about Jelly Babies, but the hostess there
    didn't seem much interested.)  Dinner was at Alfredo's, my mother's
    personal favorite.  We drove back to my mother's home that evening, and
    enjoyed our memories.

       Gary
183.54Joan & Dan Rubin Trip Report - 9/24-10/4/90VCSESU::SKLENAKWed May 15 1991 16:31360
    
    
    
    
     
     I'm off to a DEC sponsored educational program in two weeks which
     is forcing me to read and discard most of my files.  If there can
     be a bright side to cleaning, this is it.  I discovered my half 
     finished Disney trip report.  The first half of the trip is 
     reproduced here in gory detail, the rest is in the synopsis at 
     the end.  Sorry about the seven month delay!!!!
    
    
     Here goes!

     First of all, I want to say that this was my first trip to the
     World and it was wonderful, magical and a fantastic way to get 
     away from reality for two weeks.  I'd also like to extend a 
     collective thank you to everyone that has contributed notes and
     ideas in this file.  I think I would have missed half the fun in 
     the parks if I hadn't had your help.

     Now for the trip report:

     September 22  - Wedding ... it was kind of hard to think past 
     	the wedding and reception to Disney World.  Spent the night 
     	at the Hyatt in Cambridge.  Recommendation:  If you're on 
     	your honeymoon, tell everyone. We were upgraded several levels
     	of room all for the same weekend getaway rate.

     September 23, Sunday - Dan and I had a 12:00 flight out of Logan.
     	United Airlines, one stop in Dulles.  Both legs of the flight 
     	went out on time and we landed on schedule.  Realized as we 
     	picked up our baggage that we had no idea how we were going to
     	get to the Caribbean Beach Resort.  Checked outside with the
     	taxi and Mears shuttle and figured it would only cost about 
     	$5 extra to take a taxi directly to the resort.  It's our
     	honeymoon, so what the heck!  Now when we walked outside it
     	was hot .... I mean hot!  I figured it's take a couple days to
      	get used to the temperature.

     	We arrived and checked in at the Caribbean Beach.  Ended up with
     	a corner room, first floor in Aruba.  I'd go back there in a 
     	minute, but definitely request a second floor room to avoid noise
     	from above.  We checked in for only one night.  In customizing
     	our trip, I think we confused everyone at central reservations.
     	The plan went something like this:

     		Sunday night - Caribbean Beach
     		Monday night - Contemporary
     		Tuesday AM thru Sunday PM 
     			     - Contemporary on World Vacation Plan
     		Sunday night - Contemporary
     		Monday night - Grand Floridian
     		Tuesday, Wednesday night 
     			     - Red Roof Inn in Kissimee

     	In retrospect, I have no idea why we split it that way.  I know 
     	it was important to have the first night at the CBR.  We wouldn't
     	have much time there and we figured it wasn't worth the extra cost
     	of the Contemporary.  The last night we wanted to try the Grand
     	Floridian.  It was well worth it ... for one night.  But more about 
     	that later.

     	One HUGE recommendation:  we had specifically requested non-smoking
     	rooms throughout the entire trip.  I have bad headaches when I'm 
     	exposed to second hand smoke.  Without fail, every room we were put
     	in (except ironically, the Red Roof Inn) ended up being a smoking 
     	room.  They don't have a line for that in your special request area
     	yet.  I was a little bit upset that I needed to go through the 
     	hassle of them searching out a new room for every new reservation.
     	If this matters to you, reconfirm the non-smoking part a couple
     	days ahead to avoid hassles when checking in.

     	Anyway, since we were only staying a night, we didn't bother to 
     	unpack.  We jumped on a shuttle bus to the Magic Kingdom.  Now it
     	was night and the park was closed, but I just wanted to see what 
     	it looked like from the outside (first time, remember?).

     	After I got that out of my system, we returned to the room and 
     	wandered over to Port Royale for dinner.  There was a decent 
     	crowd gathered on one of the foot bridges.  Looking over the railing
     	you could make out the head of one very small alligator.  I guess
     	it is actually almost 4 years old and very docile.  The life guard
     	said the park will move it when it gets big enough to threaten 
     	people, but right now the concern is that the people will harass
     	the gator too much. 

    September 24, Monday - We woke up to a day that felt like fall in
     	New England.  At 7:30 it was about 65, clear and dry.  Stayed
     	absolutely beautiful all day, reaching about 85 in the mid 
     	afternoon.  We packed up a backpack with the essentials (camera
     	and sun screen) and had a porter come to move our bags over 
     	to the Contemporary.  Disney sure makes your life easy when you 
     	change hotels.

     	I insisted on the Magic Kingdom for the day.  Since we were 
     	only doing 2 days in the park not on the Vacation plan, we
     	bought a single day pass.  I felt like I was 12 again.  We 
     	disregarded all the information in Birnbaum and headed straight 
     	for Space Mountain.  No more than a 10 minute line.  I had heard
     	so much about this ride that I had almost psyched myself out
	to the point of being nauseous.  It wasn't that scary.  I think
     	Dan enjoyed watching my reactions more than riding the rides (he
     	had been here twice, back in the late 70's).  We got off 
     	Space Mountain and bolted for Big Thunder Mountain Railroad.  Not
     	a smart idea ... I think those to rides are as far away from one
     	another as you can get in the park.  I don't even want to know
     	how far we walked that day.  We managed to ride/see about 
     	2/3 the attractions during the day.  Had lunch at Peco Bills (?).
     	I was surprised at how (relatively) reasonable they were.  
     	Basically a standard fast food chicken sandwich, fries, fruit
     	and soda for two for under $10.  

     	We left the park a little before the 7pm closing time and headed
     	back to the Contemporary to check in.  This was our worst 
     	experience on Disney property.  They assigned us a North wing 
     	lagoon view, 3rd floor like we requested.  The room had a very
     	strong stale smoke smell.  The whole north wing is in dire need
     	of renovation.  I was really devastated.  I had heard so many 
     	great things about the Contemporary and this was no different than
     	a run down Sheraton.  We called the desk and asked if we could 
     	upgrade to a tower room for the length of the stay (3 separate 
     	reservations).  Turns out they had plenty of rooms, but none
     	at Magic Kingdom Club rates.  We watched tv for about 10 
     	minutes and I decided I just couldn't stand more than a week in
     	a room with recirculated smoke smell.  Dan humored me and 
     	called the from desk again asking for a room change.  After
     	a LOT of flack from the front desk, they found us a lagoon
     	view on the South side, 2nd floor that we could have for the
     	duration of our stay.  We lugged our bags over (we'd already 
     	paid porter's twice that day) and started to unpack.  Funny
     	thing, even though we'd turned the temperature down, it wasn't
     	getting any cooler.  I gave it ten minutes and called, very irate
     	to the front desk.  The person I spoke with should not be in the
     	service business.  She implied that she really didn't want to 
     	be inconvienced again by moving us and someone would be by 
     	"later tonight to see if they can fix it".  Now 85 may not
     	be too warm when I'm outside visiting a park, but it's too
     	hot in my room.  I stormed off to dinner cursing under my breath.

     	When Dan & I got back to dinner, the air conditioning was fixed.
     	The south wing had been just renovated, so it was much more
     	pleasant looking.  It turned out to be a very nice room for 
     	a week; enough space so we didn't feel too claustrophobic.
     	Next time though, a tower room!

     September 25, Tuesday - We started the plan.  Or should I say
     	THE PLAN.  If you don't plan on slowing down at all for your
     	stay, want to eat like kings and play like the wealthy, this 
     	is the way to go.  Dan and I were racking up $500-600 worth
     	of receipts each day.  They call it the gold key card ... 
     	we referred to it as magic plastic.  Started off with buffet 
     	breakfast at the Top of the World.  Buffet breakfast was the 
     	way to go if you could be there when it opened.  Very quick, 
     	good meal.

     	This was EPCOT day.  Both Dan and I (me especially so) are very 
     	type A.  We went into the park and were immediately totally and
     	completely overwhelmed.  I couldn't find the lockers, I couldn't
     	find a map, it was so HUGE .... I stressed.  Dan calmed me down,
     	found the lockers and found the information area.  While I 
     	looked at the information guide (maps do wonders for my stress),
     	he made reservations for lunch at the Land and dinner at Coral
     	Reef.  We went over to Wonders of Life first off.  Straight on
     	Body Wars (no line).  After all the notes in here, I was 
     	convinced I'd toss my Mickey pancakes.  I thought it was great.
     	I'm walking off and I turn to look at Dan.  He's green and 
     	covered in sweat.  He composed himself very well, but simulators
     	just didn't cut it for him (same thing happened later on Star
     	Tours).  We spent almost 3 hours taking in Wonders of Life.  
     	This is where I started stressing again.  I want to try everything,
     	and we've spent almost three hours in one building ... how 
     	an we possibly cover the entire park in three or four days.
     	Fortunately, none of the other buildings we as extensive.  
     	There was time before lunch to do the GM and GE rides.  

     	Lunch at the land was excellent.  I had prime rib and Dan opted 
     	for the steak.  Took us a little more than one revolution to 
     	eat.  This was the beginning of eating until you can't move.
     	We were in a bit of a rush because we had to get over to the 
     	Disney Inn for a 3:00 tee time on Magnolia.  We were talking 
     	about lunch on the bus ride over and I mentioned to an that
     	the rotating didn't make me feel too comfortable while I was 
     	eating.  He felt the same way.  I'd be curious to know if
     	they rotate faster at lunch to ensure that customers get a full
     	rotation over an abbreviated meal.  

     	Presented our magic plastic at the Disney Inn and viola! a 
     	cart, clubs for two and golf shoes appeared.  Not bad!  We 
     	managed to get in 16 somewhat leisurely holes before they 
     	closed the course down (6:30, mosquito alert time).  Never
     	saw a mosquito during the entire two weeks, but they are taking
     	the encephalitis problem very seriously.  It only really 
     	hindered us from tennis in the evening.

     	We headed back to the Contemporary for a quick shower and then
     	off to Living Seas for dinner.  The whole vacation we planned
     	things a little too close together and ended up about ten
     	minutes late to everything.  Thank god they hold reservations 
     	for 15.  Dinner was good, not great like I expected.  I'm not
     	a big seafood eater and there was almost nothing on the menu for
     	me.  I ended up with grilled tuna steak; tasty, not exceptional.
     	Dan went for shrimp appetizer, followed by stuffed clams, followed
     	by a 2 1/2 lb lobster.  After that many courses, we didn't make
     	it back to our room until late.

     September 26, Wednesday - I'm getting a little verbose, so I'll 
     	trim back some.  Another EPCOT day.  This time reservations 
     	are for Italy for lunch and Victoria and Alberts for a 9:00
     	seating for dinner.  Journey into Imagination first.  I finally
     	figured out what all of those Figment hats were.  Captain EO
     	was enjoyable.  The biggest waste of time was Exxon.  I guess 
     	I'm still bitter about the oil spill ... 
     	
     	Lunch was excellent.  Once again, enormous quantities of food.
     	It think my stomach is starting to stretch.  We had another
     	3:00 tee time, this time over on the Palm course.  Flash the
     	magic plastic and be rewarded with cart, clubs, the works.  
     	This time we only played nine holes.  It gets awfully
     	hot out on the golf course.  Disney was gearing up for a
     	string of tournaments, so these two days were the only 
     	available for guest play.  We headed back to the Contemporary
     	and had enough time to take out two sprites for a half an 
     	hour.  I got an incredibly slow boat.  I guess they have trouble 
     	with the Contemporary boats, not because of their age, but
     	because of the weeds in Bay Lake.  The weeds hang up in the
     	motor, regulating the speed that you can travel.  Oh well.

     	We wandered to the game room for a little while.  The pin ball
     	machines are often used by kids that don't understand that they
     	can win free games.  Dan did really well at playing out games
     	left on the machine after the kids had left.  

     	Victoria and Alberts for dinner.  This was just plain an 
     	experience.  The packet that comes with the Vacation plan
     	says the gold card can't be used here, but a phone call to 
     	the hotel confirmed that indeed, it could.  The menu was a 
     	bit exotic, so Dan and I ended up with the relatively safe
     	beef medallions.  They were excellent.  You could literally
     	cut them with a fork.  Of course, we were presented with the
     	complementary menus to take as well as a rose.  It wasn't worth
     	the $185 bill that the two of us accrued ... unless you aren't
     	really paying for it.

     September 27, Thursday - We made reservations for the water ski 
     	boat at 3:00 today, so we figured we'd stay close (Magic 
     	Kingdom).  Character breakfast again.  We ate a lot since
     	we didn't plan on eating again until around 2.  We managed to 
     	ride the rest of the rides in the Magic Kingdom.  The crowds
     	were lighter today.  I think it was in part to the temperatures
     	(it was up into the mid 90's by now) and the day of the week.
     	We hit Space Mountain again.  Discovered that it takes on some
     	of the thrill of a real roller coaster if you can get the 
     	front seat AND you wear your sunglasses through the whole ride.
     	You really have no idea where the cart is going next.  BTMR
     	had no lines, we walked onto the back seat three times in a
     	row.  The only attractions we missed were Dumbo, the Teacups
     	(in both cases, I don't do circle) and Delta Dreamflight.  

     	We had lunch a little before 2 at the Concourse Grille at the
     	Contemporary.  I was impressed with the quality of the food and
     	the amount of food.  They did an excellent job.  Got changed 
     	and made it over to the marina about a half hour before our
     	water skiing reservations.  Took out the water sprites again.
     	Once again, Dan had a fast boat, I was stuck puttering around 
     	Discovery Island.  There's no justice!!

     	Water skiing was fun.  I haven't tried it in almost ten years,
     	but the driver was sympathetic and able to get me up on the first 
     	try.  We had tried to get 2 hours in a row, but the boat was
     	only available for one.  Good thing ... we both were a little
     	sore after the hour.

     	We made a quick trip back to Magic Kingdom for the bakery on 
     	Main Street.  They have delicious cookies that you can pick and
     	choose to make ice cream sandwiches.   Well worth a try.


	.....


	This is where I stopped writing last October.  We spent four more 
	days in Disney: one in the Magic Kingdom, two in MGM and one
	at Typhoon Lagoon.  Only made it over to Pleasure Island once
	.... discovering then that I'd left my drivers license back 
	home in Massachusetts.  They wouldn't let me into any of the 
	clubs without positive ID.  We did Typhoon Lagoon on a non-World
	Plan day.  We used the resort id discount and then picked up the
	free lunch from the Delta Frequent Flyer card.  I had a blast here
	and was a little disappointed  we didn't have time for another
	day here.  

	Our last night was at the Grand Floridian.  Once again we had the 
	same problems with being placed in a smoking room.  They had
	to upgrade us (no extra cost) to accommodate out non-smoking 
	request.  It was nice feeling pampered for a night, but Dan and
	I spent so little time in our room that it wouldn't have been 
	worth it for the whole vacation.

	We had many very nice meals.  I'm not going to remember all the 	
	names, but at EPCOT we ate lunch at Alfredo's and the Japanese
	Steak house and dinner at the nice restaurant in France.  Ate
	at Narcosse's at the Grand Floridian as well as Prime Time
	Cafe and the Brown Derby in MGM.  Found that the Character 
	Breakfast at the Contemporary was the easiest and fastest as
	long as you arrived early enough to be seated immediately.  
	The Concourse Grill served large, moderately priced breakfasts
	and lunches and we ate there more than once.  On the non-plan 
	days we were much more concerned with our meal costs.  We found
	the most reasonable place to be the Grand Floridian Cafe.  
	Even after we moved off property to the Red Roof Inn, we came
	back for dinner and some atmosphere.

	Our last three days were spent at Sea World, Busch Gardens and
	Universal Studios.  Dan runs the Employee Activities organization
	over at GTE so he was able to get complementary tickets to all
	three places.  Universal had the best touch, the tickets had
	Congratulations Dan and Joan written across the top.

	Sea World was enjoyable.  The shows are scheduled in an order 
	that winds you through the park and allows you to see all exhibits
	in one day.  I really liked Busch Gardens.  It is a different
	atmosphere than Disney, but it is also very well kept.  The 
	emphasis on animals was something you don't get at Disney.  They 
	had a six week old giraffe in the nursery area that thought 
	people were playmates.  It wasn't afraid to be petted or touched.
	It's amazing to look at this creature that's eight feet tall and
	think that it's only a baby.  We've got some great photos of the
	giraffe resting it's head on our shoulders.

	Universal Studios was the last day and I was extremely disappointed.
	We'd arrive at a show five minutes early only to find that they'd 
	already closed the doors.  It was hot outside and we found the
	lines were not only NOT inside and air conditioned, but they 
	often were in the way of the afternoon sun.  Unlike Disney (namely
	EPCOT and MGM) there weren't things to entertain you while in 
	line (the film clips before the Great Movie Ride were the best
	example of pre-ride entertainment).  I guess there crowd management
	bothered me the most.  We got to Universal late but found the 
	parking lot almost empty.  We parked our car literally right in
	front of the main gate.  Yet, we had to wait 15, 20 even 30 minutes
	for every ride.  I started to wonder if the management planned it 
	like this to guarantee that no one could make it through in one
	day.  Kongfrontation was a good ride, ET was enjoyable, the 
	street scenes were remarkably well done and I thought the 
	Hanna-Barbera simulator ride was excellent.  Other than that .....

	
	I had a blast and I'm looking forward to a return trip.  In Disney,
	on the World Plan, Dan and I were up at seven and didn't return back
	to the room before 10PM.  It was hectic, but we really tried to 
	take in as much as possible.  We ate every meal on the plan, went
	to at least on park a day and took advantage of the extra's:  golf,
	water skiing, water sprites and more.  It was well worth our 
	money to have paid it up front and have the unlimited use of all
	Disney facilities.  

	Joan (and Dan)
183.55The LowellsVAXUUM::LOWELLGrim Grinning Ghosts...Mon Jul 08 1991 01:19510