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Title:CRUISE TRAVEL
Moderator:XANADU::FAMULARO
Created:Thu Aug 04 1988
Last Modified:Thu Dec 12 1996
Last Successful Update:Wed Jan 01 1997
Number of topics:562
Total number of notes:2834

12.0. "MS WESTERDAM / ALASKA" by MPGS::ANDERSONM (Are we having fun yet??) Thu Aug 11 1988 13:07

	I am so glad this notesfile was started!

	I am on my way to ALASKA via MS WESTERDAM on a 7-day cruise in
	May '89.  I will be taking my 10 1/2 year old daughter with me.

	Has anyone done the 7-day Alaska cruise?  We are also doing an
	excursion.  That is whenever we stop at Sitka, Ketchikan, Juneau
	and Glasier Bay, we will be doing canoeing and river rafting as
	well as sightseeing and shopping at these ports.

	My daughter doesn't know anything about it yet!  I'm going to try
	to wait until Christmas to tell her.  What I plan on doing is
	cutting out a picture of the ship and wrapping it and then cutting
	the letters of ALASKA separately and wrapping them and having her
	figure out where we are going!!!

	Anyways, my question(s) would be for those having gone to Alaska,
	what types of clothing would be required during the last week of
	May?  How much clothing is usually taken on a cruise?  Are special
	evening attire required as pictured in brochures?  I probably have
	a ton more questions, but I'll wait, I have almost a year to wait!!!!!!!

	Thanks in advance.

	Maureen
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12.1It will probably be chilly.HPSRAD::SPEAKELuck is the residue of design.Tue Aug 16 1988 02:3752
Maureen,

   We went on a 7-day Alaska cruise in September, 1984 on the Noordam.
   We loved it.

For clothing- 

   (I am going to assume that early in the season will be comparable to late
   in the season.)

   Take early spring weight clothes and a set of warmer clothes for your day
   in Glacier Bay.  Also take rainwear.  You will get there in time for the
   Sitka Rain Festival, which, according to local signs, runs from the first
   of January to the 31st of December.

   There will be two formal nights.  One when the captain welcomes you on
   board (usually second night out) and one when he bids you farewell
   (usually last night out, maybe the night before).  The first night out
   will probably be casual and the rest informal.

   Here are Holland America's definitions-
	Formal  -  Jacket and tie required.
	Informal - Jacket and tie requested, jacket required.
	Casual  -  Jacket requested.

   As with most dress recommendations, these are written for the men and the
   ladies are left to infer what to wear.

   I wear a tux on formal nights and a suit and tie the rest of the time.  I
   never feel over-dressed or under-dressed.

   FWIW, I have never seen anyone refused admittance to the dining room for
   lack of proper attire.  This is probably for two reasons - 1)The staff
   tries to be flexible because you are paying for the trip and, 2)I have
   never seen anyone come to dinner dressed in a tee shirt and cutoffs.

Comments on the itinerary-

   In Juneau, I recommend the Salmon Bake.  When we went, it took place in a
   valley just outside of town that is the site of an old gold mine.  It is
   quite an experience to sit in a valley surrounded by sub-tropical rain
   forest eating salmon that was caught, at most, 3 hours earlier.

   Glacier Bay is a unique and unforgettable experience.

   My wife was paricularly interested in Sitka because she is Russian Orthodox
   and the oldest Russian Orthodox church in North America is in Sitka.

			Tom Speake

   BTW, the Westerdam is what Holland America named the Homeric when they
   bought it.
12.2same for Rotterdam?BOOKIE::EPPESMake 'em laughThu Jan 19 1989 13:504
We're going on a 7-day Alaskan cruise in July on the SS Rotterdam.  Can I
assume that the info given in .1 pretty much applies to that ship?

							-- Nina
12.3RE: .2BCSE::FAMULAROJoe, ZKO3-2T43, DTN381-2565Mon Jan 23 1989 12:13198
    Note entered by moderator for WR2FOR::MCROBERDO    "Don McRoberts":
    
    I have just found this note file  and  it  certainly  brought back some
    great  memories  of a cruise taken in August  of  1985  to  Alaska  via
    Holland America Lines Ms Noordam.  To say the  least  it was one of the
    most memorable vacations my wife and I have ever taken.
    
    Since several of you are about to embark on a cruise to Alaska I'll try
    to  give  some  of  the  highlights  we  experienced  and  also  a  few
    recommendations for things take with you and to do along  the  way.   I
    hope this doesn't bore anyone......
    
    First of all, everyone seems to be asking what kind of clothes should a
    person take on a cruise to Alaska....  Well, to be  truthful, IT IS NOT
    LIKE GOING TO THE CARIBBEAN!  It does get cold and it  rains  too!  So,
    be prepared for some cold and wet weather BUT DON'T LET THAT SCARE  YOU
    AWAY!    It is well worth any discomfort just to see the beauty of  the
    waterways  and landscapes you will  be  seeing.    Basically,  I  would
    recommend that you take clothing that  you can layer and then remove as
    you go through the day.  An  umbrella  and/or raincoat would be wise as
    would  some gloves in case you decide to  visit  some  of  the  glacier
    areas.  As far as dress for the cruise  festivities on-board, note 12.1
    pretty well sums it up.  I didn't take a  tuxedo  but  did  wear a dark
    suit with tie.  There were many others similarly dressed.   Do whatever
    feels comfortable for you, after-all it is your money so why not  enjoy
    it!
    
    The meals were fantastic!  You are catered with just about anything and
    everything you could possibly want.  I  would  recommend requesting the
    second seating for dinner which for us was  at  8p.m.    each  evening.
    This  allows  you  more  time for afternoon activities without  feeling
    rushed to get to dinner.  There was a show  every  night  including one
    that the passengers participated in.  We all had a great time.
    
    As to room accommodations.  They obviously  have a broad range for just
    about  any  pocketbook.  I would recommend getting  an  outside  cabin.
    Unlike most other cruises, as I mentioned above, you  are close to land
    most  of  the time.  You can therefore see something  other  than  just
    water from your window (port hole?) most of the time.  We had an inside
    cabin but would have spent the extra $100 or so to get an outside cabin
    had we known what it would be like.

    Now some hints on things to take with you:
    
    - Beg, borrow, or buy  a  Video Camera!  I didn't and have regretted it
      ever since.  Guess I'll just have to go back again!  If you do take a
      video camera with you, don't forget  to take lots of tape with you as
      well as backup batteries or rechargable nicad  packs.    You  can buy
      them on-board or when you go ashore but the prices are likely to be a
      bit higher than at your local hometown store.
    
    - Take  a  good camera also, if at all possible, with a variety of zoom
      lenses.  A  wide  angle zoom such as 24mm or 35-80mm lens for some of
      the scenery along the  way  as well as in Glacier Bay and a telephoto
      zoom of 70-200mm would be  ideal.    I  brought a Minolta Maxxum 7000
      with  a  35-70mm  and 70-210mm and  they  worked  perfectly  for  all
      conditions.  One thing though, if you  have  a  Minolta  Maxxum 5000,
      7000,  9000,  etc  let  the camera do the  work  of  calculating  the
      exposures EVEN FOR THE ICE IN GLACIER BAY or  in  Juneau.  I followed
      the recommendations of the US Park Service Guide that came  on  board
      in Glacier Bay and increased exposure by a 1 f stop and they all came
      out overexposed.  As with the videotape - take lots of film.   I went
      through  almost  twenty rolls of 36 exposure in the seven days!  Also
      take extra batteries AND CARRY THEM WITH YOU.
    
    Cruise Itinerary
    
      I am going to assume that all Holland America 7-day Cruises to Alaska
      follow the same itinerary.  The times indicated were according to our
      itinerary.
    
      We  left  Vancouver  the evening of Tuesday, August 6, 1985 at  6p.m.
      sailing  out  of  the  harbor  under  the Lion's Gate bridge into the
      Strait of  Georgia.    As  the name implies, when sailing the "Inside
      Passage" you will  have  land on both sides of you (and very close at
      times.....less than 100 yards from shore) for most of the trip.  This
      is what differentiates this cruise  from those to the Caribbean.  You
      are in sight of land just  about  the  entire  time.    The landscape
      throughout the cruise is something to behold.   I just can't describe
      it and do it any justice.  Be  prepared for any kind of wildlife from
      Eagles (especially in the Juneau area and south of Ketchikan) to elk,
      moose, bear, and deer along the shoreline.  Find the  top observation
      deck (outside) in the front of the ship.  On the  Ms  Noordam  it was
      above the bridge and had a tremendous view.  It was particularly free
      of obstructions so you have about a 330 degree view.  Not many people
      found it so it was rarely crowded.  Ask the crew to help you.
    
      The first night and next day are solid sailing which gives you a good
      chance to explore the ship and all of the on-board  shops  or just to
      relax at watch the shoreline glide by smoothly and quietly....  Early
      mornings  you  will  find the ship gliding through wisps of fog banks
      which impart a special feeling of serenity and beauty.  You will also
      see lots  of other ships and boats in the Inside Passage.  The cruise
      ships  all signal  to  each  other  with  their  big  horns  and  the
      passengers wave back and  forth.    You will probably even see people
      along the shore waving, some  of  them  even come out in their canoes
      and small boats to greet the cruise ships.
      
      Our first  port  of  call  was  Ketchikan.   We arrived around 7a.m..
      However, since the  Noordam is too large to dock we had to anchor out
      in the harbor and  use the ships motor launch to get in to shore.  In
      fact, we did this at  all  of the ports of call.  You can come and go
      whenever you wish as the launch  runs  throughout  the entire stay in
      port.  In Ketchikan we took the tour of the Totem Heritage Center and
      Rain Forest.  (we weren't disappointed, it rained just abut the whole
      time we were there) A tour of the local salmon fishery is included in
      the tour.  They even have a rain gauge in the center of town which is
      huge!  Take the time to walk down Creek Street, an  old  part of town
      that has been restored.  Lot's of cute stories about it!
      
      Leaving  Ketchikan  in  the  afternoon  we sailed northward to Juneau
      arriving the following morning around 8a.m.  There are tons of things
      to  do in Juneau but I would highly recommend at least the  following
      two excursions.    The  Gold Creek Salmon Bake, as mentioned in reply
      12.1, is a  MUST!    I  am a salmon lover but have never had anything
      like this salmon!   Rain  or  shine  you can have a great meal cooked
      over the alderwood fire with  a special secret basting.  The bus ride
      was an experience in itself also!    The  second  thing we did was to
      take the helicopter flight to Mendenhall Glacier.    You actually fly
      over  the  face  of  the  glacier  and  follow   its  route  upstream
      (upglacier?)  to an area where they land and you  get  out  and  walk
      around on the glacier.  It is an experience that  can't be described.
      Don't  worry  about  clothing as they fully outfit you with iceboots,
      gloves, and parkas.  Take lots of film (and batteries) as there are a
      lot  of  things  to  get  pictures  of from the helicopter and on the
      glacier  itself.  You may even be lucky enough to see an avalanche as
      we did!   There are many other tours available during the Juneau stop
      over but you  just  don't  have  enough time to do it all.  We didn't
      leave Juneau until 12  midnight so you have an opportunity to see the
      ship sitting in the harbor  from  shore.  It is quite pretty with all
      of its lights on.
      
      Once  leaving  Juneau we headed for Glacier Bay arriving around 7a.m.
      the following  morning.    Several  US Park Service Rangers board the
      ship when you  enter  Glacier  Bay  and give a running commentary the
      rest of the day  over the ships public address system.  They also had
      a  counter set up where  you  could  purchase  a  variety  of  things
      representative of the Glacier Bay area  (i.e., maps, souvenirs, etc).
      Watching  the  glaciers  break off (it's called  calving)  is  rather
      awe-inspiring.  You first hear a crack like a rifle shot and then see
      the face of the glacier give away and fall  into  the bay with a roar
      and huge  splash.   This is the part that a video camera really comes
      in handy.  Still pictures just don't do justice for the activity.  As
      we sat watching Margerie  glacier, the ships hotel crew walked around
      serving hot cider and passed out wool blankets to keep you warm.
      
      Leaving Glacier  Bay  around  dinner  time  we headed out to the open
      Pacific.  This  is  the first time we did not have land on both sides
      of us.  We  sailed southwards towards Sitka harbor and arrived around
      1a.m.  the next morning.    Launch  service  to the port began around
      7a.m..  Sitka was our favorite  port  of  call.    There  is  so much
      history  here  and  it  is just a  beautiful  little  seaport.    St.
      Michael's  Cathedral  the  oldest  Russian  Orthodox church in  North
      America is here also and worth a tour.   We didn't have too much time
      there but I would love to return and spend a few days to see it all.
      
      As Sitka was the  last  port  of  call, the remainder of the trip was
      spent  enjoying  ship-board  activities  (i.e.,  volleyball,  shuffle
      board, skeet shooting, the jacuzzi and  pools,  or even in the health
      club  working  off  those  newly  gained pounds!)  and  unfortunately
      getting ready to end your cruise back in Vancouver.
      
      As you can probably tell  we  thoroughly enjoyed our cruise to Alaska
      and are looking forward to the day we embark on another one!  I would
      highly recommend a cruise to Alaska for  anyone.    The age group for
      Alaskan  cruises is older than the Caribbean or  Mexico  cruises  but
      there are lots of things to do for all ages.
      
      Yes, Holland America Lines has  been bought out by Carnival Lines but
      in correspondence we have had recently  they  are keeping the Holland
      America  ships  the  same  with the same  crews  and  with  the  same
      luxuries.  In fact, it is described as the luxury portion of Carnival
      Lines.  One nice touch was the  TV in each room.  Not to watch normal
      TV as such, although some limited programming was  available,  but to
      see from your room what was going on outside.    They had a tv camera
      in the bridge that showed the view from there.
      
      I hope you enjoy your cruise and have a  great  time!    Let  us hear
      about  your  experience  when  you  return.    Feel free to  ask  any
      questions before-hand.
    
      Sorry for being so long winded.............
    
      Oh one more thing....in answer to 12.2....
      
      The SS Rotterdam is the flagship of the Holland  America  Lines.  She
      is the oldest of the fleet.  I believe there  are  three other ships,
      the  Ms  Noordam, Ms Neuamsterdam, (spelling may not be correct), and
      now  the Ms Westerdam.  The Noordam and Neuamsterdam are sister ships
      differing only in interior decorations.  I do not know anything about
      the Westerdam except  that  it is the newest of the fleet.  I suspect
      that amenities and schedules are similar on all of the four ships.


      
    Don McRoberts 
    San Jose, CA
    
12.4trip report?BOOKIE::EPPESOf a fictitious natureWed May 31 1989 17:236
    RE .0 - How was your cruise?

							-- Nina
							(whose Alaskan
							 cruise begins
							 in about 5 weeks!)
12.5Didn't make it to Alaska, BUTMPGS::ANDERSONMAre we having fun yet??Tue Jun 13 1989 14:1454
>    RE .0 - How was your cruise?
>
>							-- Nina
>							(whose Alaskan
>							 cruise begins
>							 in about 5 weeks!)
>


Hi Nina (and the rest of you)

	I am sorry to report but I was not able to go on the cruise that
	I had originally mentioned in .0.  (I know, I was very disappointed
	too)  BUT I did go on a cruise, in fact, I just got back yesterday!

	I went to the Easter Carribbean instead.  I went to St Maartin,
	St. John, St. Thomas and Puerta Plata.  A little disappointing but
	on the whole a lot of fun.  I still haven't gotton my land legs yet!

	We (my daughter and I) cruised the newest Dolphin Line ship, the
	SS Seabreeze.  It was a very small ship (800 passengers) but didn't
	seem too crowded too often.  We needed to wait in line for most
	things on board (buffet, shows etc) but all turned out fine.

	The port of Puerta Plata was VERY disgusting!  This is a very
	depressed/poor part of the Dominican Republic.  Come to find out,
	this was the last time that this cruise line was going to be stopping
	because of the depressed state of this country.  When we got off the
	ship, there were at least 100 locals wanting to take us somewhere,
	anywhere for money.  There were tons of soldiers walking around with
	rifles on their shoulders, and hardly anyone spoke English.  Out of
	the 5 hours allotted there (although we really on got 4 because we
	were late arriving) we spend less than 1 hour on land.  My daughter
	was very scared and the shops were very high!

	We also had roaches in our cabin.  There were 4 of us in a tiny
	cabin which we didn't mind because we all had expected it in the first
	place, but when we had to share with our little "buddies" this became
	too much.  We were moved to a lesser category and a small cabin.

	But other than that, I'm glad I went.  I look forward to another
	cruise but NOT on the Dolphin Cruise line!

	Nina, I'm sure you will have a ball in Alaska.  I was really 
	disappointed that I was unable to go, but someday I will.  Please
	post your trip results here when you get back and let us all know
	how you did.  Are you planning any excursions?  Like white water
	rafting or glacier climbing etc?  I was looking more forward to those
	than the cruise itself!

	Happy cruising, Nina, and lets us know when you get back.

	Maureen
12.6can't wait!BOOKIE::EPPESOf a fictitious natureTue Jun 13 1989 22:1013
    RE .5 -- Oh, Maureen, I'm so sorry you didn't get to go to Alaska!
    But I'm glad you had a (mostly) good time on your other cruise.

    We are definitely planning to go on some excursions, though we don't
    yet know which ones.  "Flight-seeing" over a glacier or two is high
    on the list.

    I will certainly post a trip report when we get back.  We're really
    getting psyched...!

							-- Nina
							T minus 3 weeks
							and counting!
12.7trip report - we had a blast!BOOKIE::EPPESOf a fictitious natureWed Aug 02 1989 21:28134
    I went on an Alaskan cruise from July 9-16, 1989.  I went with my
    Significant Other and two other couples.  We sailed north to south,
    from Seward, Alaska, to Vancouver, BC, on the ss Rotterdam (Holland
    America Line).  We stopped at Valdez, Sitka, Juneau, and Ketchikan.
    We also saw quite a few glaciers, with the main ones being the Columbia
    glacier,  the glaciers in College Fjord, and the Hubbard glacier.  Our
    itinerary did not include Glacier Bay.

    This was my first cruise ever, so I can't compare it to any others. I was
    quite impressed with the Rotterdam.  It's 30 years old this year, but
    clean and well-maintained. The decor had charm in a late 50's-early 60's
    "Old World" sort of way (a lot of wood accents).  It's also a good-sized
    ship (around 1100 passengers, I think) with a theatre, several lounges, a
    casino, two swimming pools (1 outdoor, 1 indoor, both quite small), a few
    shops, and so on.  My S.O. and I had an outside cabin on the Lower
    Promenade deck; it wasn't exactly spacious (!), but it served well.
    Unlike the Noordam (I think) mentioned in a previous reply, we didn't
    have TVs in our cabins.  We managed to survive somehow. :-)

    The food on the Rotterdam was very good, though not five-star gourmet.
    They did quite well, considering the number of people they had to serve!
    There were two formal nights, one on the second night of the cruise
    (Tuesday) and one on the second-to-last night of the cruise (Friday), not
    the last night as we'd expected.  We were fortunate to have the ship's
    doctor at our table on these occasions.  He was interesting to talk to (he
    also bought us wine, which apparently is traditional when a crew member is
    at your table).  I think he enjoyed being at a table of relatively young
    people (we're all in the thirty-something age range), although he himself
    was retired from general practice.  There was a majority of, ahem, "older"
    folks on the cruise, but there were also more younger people than I
    expected, and even several children (though the Rotterdam is not
    necessarily the most interesting ship for kids, I think, catering as it
    does to an older crowd). 

    We had amazingly good weather for just about the entire cruise.  The major
    problem was fog; our sail to the College Fjord was a little behind
    schedule due to running into heavy fog (thus slowing the ship down);
    luckily, it cleared by the time we got to the fjord.  We did have
    some rain at the end of our day in Juneau.  In Ketchikan, where it rains
    an average of 300 days a year, we had mostly sunny conditions! 

    I didn't see any oil at or near Valdez, and in fact I saw several seals
    basking in the sun on some small rocky islands there, which I thought
    was encouraging.  We were docked near where a lot of cleanup equipment
    was set up, and there were helicopters flying everywhere, presumably
    on cleanup missions of one sort or another.

    We never saw any really spectacular glacier calvings, though we did
    catch some that were more like avalanches than pieces of ice breaking
    off.  We saw quite a few seals and sea otters, though none really close
    enough to get good pictures of.  I myself never saw any whales, though
    there were reported sightings a couple of times.  I did see some dorsal
    fins of probably porpoises and, when we were at the Hubbard Glacier,
    what I could've sworn were killer whales, but again, they were too far
    to see clearly, even with binoculars.

    We saw many bald eagles in Juneau and Ketchikan; other than those and
    the above-mentioned seals and sea otters, we didn't see any major
    wildlife on the cruise.  (We did go on a land tour before the cruise,
    including a trip to Denali National Park, and we did see quite a bit
    of wildlife on that part of our trip.)

    In Juneau, we went on a shore excursion of a helicopter flight to the
    Mendenhall Glacier, where you actually land on the glacier and walk
    around on it for a bit.  That was pretty impressive...!

    RECOMMENDATIONS

    I second the suggestion in a previous reply that you bring a video
    camera if you go on one of these cruises.  In addition to getting
    videos of the spectacular scenery, we were fortunate enough to film
    a bald eagle swooping down out of the sky and grabbing a salmon out
    of the water in Ketchikan (right in the harbor, about only 20 or 30
    feet from where we stood on the pier).  Still photographs or slides
    just don't do justice to that kind of event - but DO bring cameras,
    of course! :-)

    As for clothes, as I mentioned above, we had amazingly good weather,
    so didn't really need raingear, although we'd brought some just in
    case.  We were there in July, so it was warmish (60s and 70s).  We
    were able to walk around the towns without jackets or with light
    jackets.  On the ship, you want a heavier jacket because it gets
    windy.  Some light gloves are nice, too - when you're outside staring
    at glaciers, your fingers can get pretty cold, especially if you're
    holding a camera.  A tux or dark suit is fine for the men for the formal
    dinner nights, and more casual suits or sportjackets for the informal
    nights.  Women wore dresses or dressy slacks for the formal and informal
    nights; some had fancy evening wear but they weren't in the majority by
    any means.  If you have nice evening wear, bring it, but you don't need
    to rush out and buy an evening gown for your cruise if you don't own one.
    For the shore excursions, and for just bopping around on the ship during
    the day, jeans and other casual clothes, plus comfortable walking shoes,
    are fine.

    Speaking of dinner, we asked for and received the second seating at 8:00
    (the first one was at 6) because we didn't want to have to rush back from
    the shore excursions to get ready for dinner.  That was fine; however,
    as a result, we were never hungry when time came for the midnight buffet
    (11:00-12:00), which was probably just as well, since it's not a great
    idea to eat a lot just before you go to bed... :-)

    I had brought some Dramamine (actually, the CVS brand equivalent), but
    the ship also had some motion sickness tablets (Meclizine) available
    for the asking.  Although we were close to land much of the time, there
    were times when we were out in more open sea, and the ship's movement
    was noticeable.  The Meclizine pills were good for 12 hours and they
    were quite effective.  I made use of them throughout the week (mostly
    for insurance, though I do have a bit of a tendency toward motion
    sickness) and I never had a problem.

    As I mentioned above, we had an outside cabin.  We opted for one because
    we figured that (a) we'd be cruising by land most of the time, so there'd
    almost always be something to see, and (b) it would be light late, so
    there'd be more time to see whatever was outside.  We didn't spend tons
    of time in the cabin, but when were were there, I was glad we had the
    portholes (although they didn't open, somewhat to our disappointment).
    It was also nice to wake up in the morning and be able to look out and
    see what the weather was like (mostly fog, which would then clear up).
    I got my best view of sea otters when some drifted by on small icebergs
    when I happened to be looking out the cabin portholes.

    Also as I mentioned above, we traveled north to south, which resulted
    in the most spectacular scenery and also our glacier-viewing (except
    for the Mendenhall) occuring in the first few days of the cruise.
    The Inside Passage (southeast Alaska and the British Columbia coast)
    is certainly nice, but not quite as scenic as the points further north.
    If you like to save the best for last, you might prefer sailing south
    to north, but overall I personally don't think it makes that much
    difference.

    I could go on in ever more boring detail, but I'll stop here.  If
    you have any questions, just ask.

							-- Nina
12.8ALASKA conferenceBOOKIE::EPPESOf a fictitious natureFri Aug 04 1989 21:524
    By the way, I just found out that there's a conference on Alaska. Sure
    wish I'd found it before!  It's at SUSHI::ALASKA (press SELECT or KP7
    to add it to your notebook).
						-- Nina
12.914 days worthVINO::FLEMMINGIs it VAX yet?Tue Sep 12 1989 07:3690
I just returned from an Alaskan cruise which was to say the least, different.
My first remarks when I got on board were "Boy, I hope Alaska is neat because
this ship sure doesn't have much to offer. Its more like camping out than
cruising." I've never been so wrong in my life. What follows is a brief
description of what cruising Alaska on the S.S. Universe was like.

First encounter was as always the stateroom and while it was "big enough",
instead of closets, there were gym lockers. As always, first impressions, etc.
In fact, the cruise director at the orientation talk said he knew there were
several groups on the cruise, AARP, and at least one religious group because
everyone was walking into their staterooms (cabins really is a more operative
word in this case) and exclaiming "Oh, Lord". Also, since it was a steam ship
and quite old for that matter (built around 63 I think), pipes expanding and
making awful noises (like radiators) were also quite common so we were warned
not to be concerned about this. Now if we heard dogs barking and horns honking,
that was another thing.

If a cruise without a Disco or a Casino would be incomplete, don't consider
the Universe. If you require 24 hour a day room service (or any room service
for that matter), look elsewhere. If you don't like classical music, then the
Universe isn't for you. If one of the highlights of your past cruises or
something you were looking forward to was a midnight buffet which you take
pictures of rather than eat at, sail on some other line. However, if you
get hungry around 22:45 (that's when the "midnight buffet" started), and just
want something to eat, then this might be the first plus for the Universe.
Also, coffee, tea, decaf, and milk were available 24 hours a day on deck.
If you like sun on your cruise (and believe me, I do), don't take any cruise
to Alaska in late August or early September. We had 4 days of sun out of 14.
One of the entrants in the talent contest had composed a song - "I'm sailing
in the Rain" and sadly, it got a standing ovation. If you like to eat dinner
with a piano soloist, or a harp soloist, or a chamber music quartet providing
entertainment, maybe its getting closer. If you'd like to attend informative
lectures (for college credit if you want), given by current professors at
well know universities (e.g., Oregon, USC, etc.) on the Biology, History,
Geology, and Anthropology of Alaska, (each gave 4 or 5 lectures), then you
probably can't get this anywhere other than the Universe. BTW, during the rest
of the year, the Universe becomes an extension of the University of Pittsburg
with a program called semester at sea which provides exactly that for about
550 students whilst sailing around the world. This is probably the reason
for the gym lockers rather than closets.

If you are looking for a 14 day Alaskan cruise (this is the only one
available), which stops all day at 8 ports of call (Sitka, Ketchikan, Valdez -
we didn't see any sign of the oil spill but there were people apoligizing and
explaining how it could never happen again all over, Seward - for Anchorage,
Skagway - with a side trip to Haines possible, Juneau, Wrangell, and Victoria),
a whole day at Glacier Bay, and several hours at Columbia Glacier, consider
the Universe. If you want to sail on a ship where the captain happens to spot
a whale at the head of Glacier Bay and brings the ship to a full stop until we
spot more (10 or 12 at least before the day was out) and also have a biologist
on the bridge pointing out every aspect of what you are viewing, I don't
recommend Princess cruise lines.

If you want great shore excursions (as good as any available on any cruise
I've been on), a very young and thus very enthusiastic cruise and shore
excursion staff (ever get off the ship and wonder where your tour was? Never
happened on the Universe), very comprehensive printed instructions and maps
for each port of call so if you wanted to do it on your own, it didn't have
to be based on what the cruise director told you was available in port three
days ago, again, consider the Universe.

If you require Broadway reviews or star talent every night for entertainment
(although, the did have Shirley Jones - of the Partridge Family and Oklahoma
fame, and Robert Preston of Music Man fame on board last year), sail with
someone else. But if you enjoy Classical Music concerts mixed with some lighter
fare then the Universe was great.

If you don't like to put on a suit for dinner after trekking around a glacier
for eight hours then this is another plus for the Universe. The cruise director
made it quite clear that an open collar was never frowned on upon the Universe.
On the other hand, if you like to dress, many people did every night for the
entire cruise. However, if you're like me and like just a little of the formal
stuff, they had the usual welcome aboard and going away cocktail parties for
which dressing up made excellent sense and most people did.

Finally, the other things you expect on a cruise were about the same as usual.
The food was great, the staff (dining room and cabin stewards) were warm,
helpful, and courteous. I guess most of all, the price was right. We had three
pre-cruise days in Vancouver with sightseeing provided, the 14 day cruise and
a tipping policy which could only be beat by the line (I don't remember which
at the moment) which has a no tipping policy for a price which rivaled other
lines 7 day cruise only prices.

I guess the only other downer was we had to arrange our own flights as they
didn't really have a fly/sail setup but then, I believe I wound doing better
on my own than I usually do with the specials included in fly/sail programs.

All in all, if you want to cruise Alaska, I'd highly recommend the Universe but
look hard for the brochures and book early. The word is getting around.

12.10BOOKIE::EPPESOf a fictitious natureTue Sep 12 1989 22:1412
    RE .9 -  I think we passed the Universe heading north as we headed
    south on our Alaskan cruise in July (see my report in .7).
    It looked like a nice ship.  How many passengers does it hold?

    Although I had a great time on my cruise, the one you described sounds
    like something I'd enjoy as well.  Next time I plan an Alaskan cruise,
    I'll definitely consider the Universe!

							-- Nina

    P.S.  The line with the no tipping policy is Holland America (although
    of course we ended up tipping, anyway, since the service was so good).
12.11IntimateVINO::FLEMMINGIs it VAX yet?Wed Sep 13 1989 06:082
    The Universe carries 550 passengers. Nice and cozy.
    
12.12DASXPS::DLONGTue Oct 03 1989 12:168
    
    
      This is probably a crude question, but can you tell me the
    approximate cost of some of these cruises.  Its the detrmining 
    factor as to if we go or not.
    
    Thanks,
     Debbie
12.13Cost infoCAMLOT::FAMULAROJoe, ZKO3-2T43, DTN381-2565Tue Oct 03 1989 13:0310
    The cost can range anywhere from approx. $1500 to as high as $11,000
    per person depending on the line, length of cruise, airfare ... etc.
    
    Your best bet Deb is to check with some of the agents mentioned in
    other notes within this conference.  They have up to the minute
    pricing.  Also stop by a travel agent and pick yourself up some
    brochures.  That will give you a good idea of the cost.
    
    Joe
    
12.14pricingATSE::FLAHERTYNothing is by chance!Tue Oct 03 1989 14:496
    Many of the cruises I've been on were less than that, under $1,000
    (not counting 'shopping' money).  Having four in the cabin reduces the
    price significantly also.  Bargains can be found...good luck!
    
    Ro