Conference 7.286::golf

    
    	Oh sure Rick, just enough to get us itchin...!!!! ;-)

    
    
    What is the posibility of holding this event in September?
    
    I ask this question because I plan on being in New Hampshire
    visiting my folks for the month. BTW I live in Holland and
    I have been silent for the last three years only regeistering 
    in the old registry.
    
    I love reading in this conference and really enjoyed all the
    ribbing that took place in the last Challenge Cup note.
    
    P.S. I will now sign in the new registry.
    
    Perry

    
    
    			< September!!!>
    
    	I'll second the motion that we go for ealier in the year. I
        was in the last group last year and it was pretty cold on the
    	back nine. No Excuse mind you...The Eagles will be back to 
    	avenge there poor showing last year.
    
    	Splash
    

  Splash and Perry,

     Sorry, but September is out due to a number of other committments I have
  for that month.  I do have some good news to report however.  Thanks to 
  last year's champion, Peter Stopera, we have one of the finest courses in
  New England booked for Monday, October 15th.

     It is Sky Meadow in Nashua, NH and we are getting a break in the price.
  Normally it is a $50 greens fee/w cart.  For the Challenge Cup, it will
  be $40 a person.  Sky Meadow, by all reports is a sensational course and
  that price it is a nice bargain. A big note of thanks to Peter again!!

     To get in at this price, we need a minimum of 40 players booked.  If it
  looks like we won't reach the minimum, we'll start investigating another
  alternative for a course.

     Again, sorry about not having it in September.  If there is enough 
  pushback on the October date and most of you really do want it in
  September, I'll be happy to step aside as organizer and let someone 
  else do the Challenge Cup for this year.  Peter mentioned that there were
  some September dates open for us if we wish.


     To register, send me vaxmail at DEMSUP::BLAISDELL.  Include your name
    and your partner's name.  BTW, for those who are unfamiliar with this
    tournament, it is a two person scramble event (no handicaps). Check out
    the other Challenge Cup topic for an idea of what it is all about.
    This year, we will have a Women's division (if we get a minimum of 4 
    teams).
    
       The entry fee will probably be a few dollars more than the $40
    Sky Meadow fee to cover prizes etc.  I'll be in later with the exact
    amount.
    
-rick

   ps.  How about Crumpin-Fox for next year?  I haven't had a chance to play
        that new nine yet and I'd love to!

    

    
      The Challenge Cup topic from last year is 794.0.
    
    -rick

     Just an update as to where we stand.  9 teams have signed up
  thus far.  The teams signed up are all teams that played last year.
  Let's see some new faces for this year's cup.  Remember, if we don't 
  get 40 players mininum, then we don't get to play Sky Meadow!

     And how about the ladies?  We need a minimum of four teams to 
  establish the Women's division of the Challenge Cup.  Let's go!

     For those that wish to play but cannot find a partner, sign up
  with me anyway.  Provide a handicap, league, MGA, USGA whatever
  and I'll pair you up with another single from the pool. I'll 
  do my best to create teams that will be competitive with the rest
  of the teams.

       To register, send mail to DEMSUP::BLAISDELL or ISLNDS::BLAISDELL


    Here are the teams signed up so far...

      The Bombers         -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook      <--Defending Champs
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          
      and the following are the bitter and revengeful losers from last year

      The Loopers         -  Joe Corrigan, Rolf Wandel     
      Salt & Pepper       -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes   
      Nonames I           -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire
      The BB's            -  Rick Blaisdell, Jeff Burke
      The Lemon-stirs     -  Walter Lenehen, Bob Keene
      Salt & Pepper       -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes   
      Salem Aces          -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor       
      The Eagles          -  Steve Garrity, Brad Feltus

-rick

Wish I could play this year.  I'll be thinking of you guys while I'm
swilling beer at the Oktoberfest in Germany.  We all know how well you
can think when libations are involved :-).

Good luck to all!

Mike

      Currently, we have 40 players signed up for the Challenge Cup.  Keep
    up the good work and spread the word around.  There has been a 
    disappointing response from the women golfers.  Only one has signed
    up.  I know there a more of you out there!

-rick

     We are up to 26 teams signed up to play in CPII !  Incredible response
  folks.  Thank you.  With this many teams we should be able to have prizes
  for the 2nd and 3rd place finishers.  

     One thing to shoot for is that if we can get (gulp) 70 players for
  this tournament, the pro would consider us for a shotgun start.

     We are desperately looking for women teams.  Only one team has signed
  up so far!

-rick

     Here is the current list of teams and players:
         
        * indicates repeat offenders...oops...participants

   Batman & Robin         *    -  Len Briggs, Tony Pelliccione
   Beater and the Hack         -  Rich Luciano, Jim Bolger
   BB's                   *    -  Rick Blaisdell, Jeff Burke
   Bombers (1989 champs)  *    -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook
   Chilliddipperrs        *    -  Rich O'Connor, Fran Merlone
   Eagles                 *    -  Steve Garrity, Brad Feltus
   Killers                     -  Bill Breen, Larry Hebert
   Lemon-stirs            *    -  Walter Lenehen, Bob Keene
   Loopers                *    -  Joe Corrigan, Rolf Wandel     
   Nfways                 *    -  Peter Neil, Scott Tincher
   Nonames III                 -  Poul Nielsen, Eric Ogren
   Nonames V                   -  Steve Souza, John Souza
   Nonames VI                  -  Tom Davis, David Doxey
   Nonames VIII                -  Eunhwa Lenehan, Judy Hickey
   Nonames IX                  -  Don Poulsen, Andy Russo
   Nonames X                   -  Phil Feeney, Stuart Osborne
   Ruff Riders                 -  Andy Hughes, Tim Fissette
   Rum 'n' Cokers              -  Keith Niskala, Bill Saball
   Salem Aces             *    -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor       
   Salt & Pepper          *    -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes   
   Sharks                 *    -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire
   Simpsons(Bart&Homer)        -  Jim Reid, Homer (TBA)
   Snappy & Slappy             -  Rich Vecchi, James Lewis
   Stadler & Watson       *    -  Randy Stuart, Tom DesRochers
   Up and Down            *    -  Ray Wieczerzak, Dan Thrasher
   Willin'                     -  Gary Wilson, Bob Carlin

    Here's another team on the way to 70.
    
    no-name for team yet but will come up with one after talking to my
    partner.   Charlie Demers   and Joe Pangraze 

    Two non-digital employees looking for a digital partner(s) for the
    Challenge Cup II. The other day I mentioned to one of my co-workers
    about the Challenge Cup II tournament. Well he was very interested in
    playing and asked his regular partner that he plays with if he'd like to
    play. They both wanted to play, so I asked Rick B. if a two non-Decies
    could sign up as a team. The answer was that atleast one person on the
    team has to be a DEC employee. I talked with my friend and informed him
    of the rule. He and his partner are still wanting to play and are
    looking for two DEC employees that are looking for a partner(s). Let me
    tell you alittle bit about these guys.
    
    Jon is currently a 15 handicap, doesn't hit the ball real long, can
    make good shots and putts incredibly. Jon is also very capable of
    shooting in the high 70's. A good match for Jon would be
    someone who can hit the long ball accurately and plays a good all
    around game.
    
    His friend (I don't recall his name at the moment) is an 8 handicap and
    plays a good all around game. I think he would be looking for someone
    who can putt and chip well. Also someone who plays fairly good golf.
    
    I think both these guys would like to have a shot a winning the
    tournament, so if you think you may be the partner for either one of
    them and you want to take home the Challenge Cup trophie to put on your
    mantle for a year, get in touch with me by E-mail and well make a
    winning match! Although I really don't think you'll win cause Steve and
    I are going to win this year. We have a secret weapon! Maybe 2!
    
    
    					-Paul
    
                        

    
    Reply -1
    
    	Well... I see things are already beginning to get talkative ???
    
    	So Paul and Steve are going to win this years Challenge Cup??
    	Iiiiii don't think so. I have already talked it over with my 
    	partner and we agreed that the Leominsters will be admiring
    	the Cup from arms reach :) . 
    
    	The Leominsters

Walta,

	Bob Mook and Peter Stopera, the current champs, will be tough to
beat.  Sky Meadow is Peter's home course.  Bob Mook plays in our BXO league
at Green Meadows and is carrying a 2 handicap for nine. Bob seems to
average 2+ birds for 9 holes each week!  The guy is consistently all over 
the flag with his approach shots.

	Gotta watch out for the BB's, though.  My partner, Rick Blaisdell,
is putting very well from the left side, switching from the right earlier 
this summer.  

	Going to be fun!!

Jeff

    Reply Jeff
    
    Hmmmm  throwing stats at the Lemon-stirs... trying to scare us???
    
    The defending Champion Bombers, they will definitely not
    hand over the Cup without a battle. People on the inside are saying
    Pete Stopera is playing in the 70's , along with Bob Mook carrying
    around a 4 ???? Ouch !
    
     However, if the favorites won all the time we wouldn't be spending
    our time guessing on the Pro's right? And how many times did Greg
    Norman win ??
    
    The BB's were the team to beat last year, and battled till defeat...
    will the bulls eyes on the Bombers backs take them out also ??
    
    We'll see... (hideous laughter)
    
       Tune in	   Same bat time     same bat channel 
    
    	The Lemon-stirs
    

    re. jeff
    
    Is Bob Mook playing that bad? jee wiz, he use to be scratch in the
    league we played in together
    
    re. walta
    
    Stop spreading those nasty rumors about me, I havn't broken 90 in 6
    weeks
    
    re. sky medow
    
    Play there once before the tourny, I figure the course is 5-10 shots
    harder the first time you play it
    
    peter 

    
    hey, hey , hey !!  watch out for Stadler &  Watson  !!
    
    Our games are getting better every week !!
    We just won a two man scrammble at Glen Ellen with a 68 !
    We were 4 under on the front and even par on the back in the
    scorching sun and too many empty Buds !
    
    Stadler
    

    
    	re: .17
    
    	geez....thats kinda funny randy....how many empty buds
    	was that????
    

re: Peter's Comment about playing the course before the C-Cup II

Definitely!  I played it a month ago and thought, "gee, you really have to 
play this course a few times to know what the heck to do off-the-tee,  or 
what to avoid around the greens..."

I am playing at Sky Meadow tomorrow in my Backspinners Golf Association
League Championship tomorrow.  I'll let you know what I think the second
time around.

Jeff

     The current enrollment for Challenge Cup II numbers  74 players and
  36 established teams! Unreal. There will be at least two more teams added in
  the near future.  Registration is still open for this 2 person scramble 
  event.  Barring an unforseen exodus of players, there will be a shotgun
  start at 8:30.

     I should mention that this is not a DEC sponsored event, so please
  handle the time off from work accordingly (vacation, personal day, etc.).

     I won't be as brash with my claims for the BB's this year.  Last year
  my short game was so pitiful that the BB's knew we really didn't have
  a prayer, so we could goof around and claim we were great.  This year
  is different. 'Nuff said.

     "Ricky the Geek" will be back in a little bit with the pre-tournament
  odds.  

-rick


  Ace                        -  Dave Sullivan, (tba)
  Batman & Robin             -  Len Briggs, Tony Pelliccione
  Beater and the Hack        -  Rich Luciano, Jim Bolger
  BB's                       -  Rick Blaisdell, Jeff Burke
  Bombers                    -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook
  Chilliddipperrs            -  Rich O'Connor, Fran Merlone
  Crushma                    -  Kevin Roselle, Bob Prosser
  Ding Dong's                -  Stu Osborne, Phil Feeney
  Eagles                     -  Steve Garrity, Brad Feltus
  Hole-in-1                  -  Fran Souva, Chip Houlihan
  Huskies                    -  Dan Fay, Matt Doherty
  Killers                    -  Bill Breen, Larry Hebert
  Lemon-stirs                -  Walter Lenehen, Bob Keene
  Linksta                    -  Dave Vanderpot, John Lambert
  Loopers                    -  Joe Corrigan, Rolf Wandel     
  Nfways                     -  Peter Neil, Scott Tincher
  Nonames III                -  Poul Nielsen, Eric Ogren
  Nonames V                  -  Steve Souza, John Souza
  Nonames VI                 -  Tom Davis, David Doxey
  Nonames VIII               -  Eunhwa Lenehan, Judy Hickey     
  Nonames IX                 -  Don Poulsen, Andy Russo
  Nonames XI                 -  Charlie Demers, Joe Pangraze
  Nonames XII                -  Chuck Tewell, Mark Larocco
  Nonames XIII               -  Sam Pruett, Charles Kaberry
  Nonames XV                 -  Terry Stopera, Gerri Passarelli 
  Ruff Riders                -  Andy Hughes, Tim Fissette
  Rum 'n' Cokers             -  Keith Niskala, Bill Saball
  Salem Aces                 -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor       
  Salt & Pepper              -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes   
  Sharks                     -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire
  Simpsons(Bart&Homer)       -  Jim Reid, Homer (TBA)
  Snappy & Slappy            -  Rich Vecchi, James Lewis
  Stadler & Watson           -  Randy Stuart, Tom DesRochers
  Up and Down                -  Ray Wieczerzak, Dan Thrasher
  Willin'                    -  Gary Wilson, Bob Carlin
  YOU the MAN                -  Dave Fleming, Dave Berglund

Single player pool:

  Laura Ware    FSDEV::LWARE
  Dave Tracey   KAHALA::TRACEY
    

Sky Medow is 6590 yards from the back tees par 72, with a course rating of 
73.3 and a slope of 133, sprinkler heads have yards to center of greens.

#1  - 506 yards (par 5)

Down hill par 5, real big hitters can carry the bunker and have an iron into
the green, if you can hit it big aim over the center of the bunker, otherwise
aim to the left of the bunker, be careful there is ob left and water right,
second shot from around bunker is just a 7 or 8 iron into an area sournded 
on 3 sides by water, it will leave you a wedge into the green, pretty flat
green. Birdy hole.

#2 - 188 yards (par 3)

An island green, on a dome, the only place to miss it is short or in the 
bunker, very deep green, sever breaks.

#3 - 395 yards (par 4)

Real big hitters can drive the bunker, aim at the left hand corner of the 
bunker, don't go left or you'll end up wet and don't go right or you'll
be blocked out, need to hit a good stright drive, toughest 2nd shot on 
the course, stright up hill to a green that dosn't hold, best play is to
hit it short and hope it bounces up, don't want to go long, best to miss 
short, green has sneeky breaks. Be happy with a par.

#4 - 388 yards (par 4)

Hardest tee shot on the course, aim at the right side of the bunker, hit 
it stright and long, ob left and woods right, second shot is up hill, 
usually the ball is below you feet and you have to play a draw into the 
green (dogleg left), very hard green to read, be happy with a par.  

#5 - 336 yards (par 4)

Long hitters should aim over the bunker which will leave them a wedge
to the green, but you need to hit it very stright, jungle left and 
woods right, everything kicks right, I usually hit an iron down to 
the 150's, second shot is up hill, so get it there, but don't go long or
left, most sever green on the course, birds are hard to come by, again be
happy with a par.

#6 - 523 yards (par 5)

90 degree dogleg left, very hard to reach in 2, hit drive stright, don't 
need to be long, ob left and right, watch out for bunker on right, 2nd 
shot is usually a long iron, play a draw down to the bunker which will
leave you a wedge to the green, green has sneaky breaks, birdy hole.

#7 - 322 yards (par 4)

Aim over the bunker, this hole was built for all you slicers out there, 
hit a hard fade over the trap and you'll have a sand wedge to the green,
hit it too far left and you'll wish your wedge was 2 feet longer, hit
it too far right and you're ob, stay below the hold if you want to make 
a bird, don't go long, severly sloped green.

#8 - 159 yards (par 3)

Make sure you get it there (it's uphill), very deep green.

#9 - 433 yards (par 4)

Dogleg right, play the power fade down the tree line will leave you a mid iron
into the green, the drive is everything on this hole, 2nd shot is into a big
green, green is pretty flat. Nice hole for a bird.

#10 - 356 yards (par 4)

Uphill dogleg left, ob right, woods left, aim at the bunker (which is not 
in play), short to mid iron into a big green, stay below the hole, don't
go long, but get it there. 

#11 - 231 yards (par 3)

Stright down hill, depending on the wind, hit anything from a driver to a mid
iron (your guess is as good as mine) ob right, don't go left either, best to 
miss it short, big flat green, be happy with a 3.

#12 - 523 yards (par 5)

Reachable in 2 for big big hitters, carry over water is about 190 yards, longer
if you slice, I usually play a long iron for the 2nd shot, there is a bunker
about 80 yards from the green, so play left of the green, also don't slice on 
your tee shot or 2nd shot, or you'll be ob, usually a wedge into a very sloped
green, birds can be had.

#13 - 364 yards (par 4)

Stright away, keep you tee shot right, don't go left or you have a shot where
the ball is at your chin (ie sever side hill lie), ob right, usually a short
2nd shot, good hole for a 3.

#14 - 548 yards (par 5)

If the tees are all the way back - good luck, otherwise I hate to tell anyone
how to play this hole, because I still don't know. It can be reached in 2
with 2 real good shots if the tees are up, flat green that wouldn't hold
a soggy grapefruit.

#15 - 196 yards (par 3)

Nice hole, make sure you get it there, slightly uphill and usually into the
wind. Be happy with a 3.

#16 - 372 yards (par 4)

Stright away, water on 3 sides of the tee shot landing area, very narrow,
good luck, hit what ever you hit the strightest, mid to short iron into 
a somewhat flat green. Tee shot is everything.

#17 - 341 yards (par 4)

Dogleg right, hit is right and you're wet, bunker is not in play (ok who's going
to prove me wrong), usually a wedge or short iron to the green, severly sloped,
good birdie hole.

#18 - 409 yards (par 4)

Dogleg left, uphill, plays longer, big hitters can reach the trap, hit drive
at or to the right of the bunker, leaves you a long to mid iron to the green,
make sure you get it there on the 2nd shot, it uphill, very flat green.

    

    
    Well, before "Ricky the Greek" posts the odds, anybody care to predict
    a winning score...?
    
    Last year everybody thought I was crazy to predict -8 for a winning
    score. They were right, but I wasn't off by much with the winning
    score being -6...
    
    Since this years site will be considerably more difficult than last
    year (in my opinion after only playing the course once), I will say 
    that the minning score will be -3. 
    
    Looking throught the list of teams I see MANY capable(sp) players,
    with many teams having a chance at winning. I think the Salem Aces
    will be right up near the top though (if not at the top ;-)...).
    This year I plan to give my partner some help, unlike last year when
    he had to carry me all the way...
    
    Is anybody planning to handle and pools? Like best front, back, and total
    or anything along those lines...
    
    It will be here before we know it...!
    BTW, good luck to all...
    Gene

    The winning score will -5, a few teams will be close but double bogies
    will have killed them, if they continue to not cut the rough up there
    the winning score will be -2. Keep it in the short grass.
    
    peter

    Here is yet an update for Challenge Cup II.  Due to a change in
  jobs, I've been kind of quiet lately regarding this tournament. With
  CCII only a month away, information should be coming to you more with
  a little more frequency.  I will be sending this info to those on my
  mail distribution list and crossposting the same messages to the golf notes 
  conference located in MSEE::GOLF (topic #990). If you have a non-deccie
  teammate, please ensure that they get these messages.  Separate topics 
  which will get published shortly(I hope) will concern:

        Tournament Format/Cost
        Tournament Rules
        Course etiquette/dress code
        Course description 
        Prize listings
        Final player list and pairings for the 15th

    I can now be reached at NHASAD::BLAISDELL.  Don't have a dtn yet but
 I'll publish that when I get it.  I'm located up in MKO1 now. The next 
 message will include the current team listing.

-rick

  This is the current team listing.  We have over 90 players now.
 Registration for CCII will shut down on October 5th.  (TBA) means
 partner is to be announced.  Please let me know who your partner
 is fairly soon.  Teams that have a name beginning with "Nonames",
 please let me know what your "real" team name will be! Thanks.


Women's Division:

Fatal Fems                 -  Eunhwa Lenehan, Judy Hickey      
Nonames XV                 -  Terry Stopera, Gerri Passarelli
Nonames XVI                -  Laura Ware, (TBA)              
Nonames XVII               -  Lisa Mazzola, (TBA)            


Men's Division:

Ace                        -  Dave Sullivan, (tba)
Batman & Robin             -  Len Briggs, Tony Pelliccione
Beater and the Hack        -  Rich Luciano, Jim Bolger
BB's                       -  Rick Blaisdell, Jeff Burke
Bombers                    -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook
Chilliddipperrs            -  Rich O'Connor, Fran Merlone
Crushma                    -  Kevin Roselle, Bob Prosser
Ding Dong's                -  Stu Osborne, Phil Feeney
Drivetime                  -  Tom Owen, Jim Trant
Eagles                     -  Steve Garrity, Brad Feltus
Hole-in-1                  -  Fran Souva, Chip Houlihan
Holey Trojans              -  Mike O'Leary, Ed Sullivan
Huskies                    -  Dan Fay, Matt Doherty
Kings                      -  Bill Breen, Larry Hebert
Lemon-stirs                -  Walter Lenehen, Bob Keene
Linksta                    -  Dave Vanderpot, John Lambert
Loopers                    -  Joe Corrigan, Rolf Wandel     
Nfways                     -  Peter Neil, Scott Tincher
Nonames III                -  Poul Nielsen, Eric Ogren
Nonames V                  -  Steve Souza, John Souza
Nonames VI                 -  Tom Davis, David Doxey
Nonames IX                 -  Don Poulsen, Andy Russo
Nonames XI                 -  Charlie Demers, Joe Pangraze
Nonames XII                -  Chuck Tewell, Mark Larocco
Nonames XIII               -  Sam Pruett, Charles Kaberry
Ping Bros.                 -  Joe Biggs, Brian Thompson
Ruff Riders                -  Andy Hughes, Tim Fissette
Rum 'n' Cokers             -  Keith Niskala, Bill Saball
Salem Aces                 -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor       
Salt & Pepper              -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes   
Sharks                     -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire
Simpsons(Bart&Homer)       -  Jim Reid, Homer (TBA)
Snappy & Slappy            -  Rich Vecchi, James Lewis
Stadler & Watson           -  Randy Stuart, Tom DesRochers
Two Al's                   -  Al Aucoin, Al Perkins
Ultimate Harps             -  Tom McSweeney, Dave Tracey
Up and Down                -  Ray Wieczerzak, Dan Thrasher
Willin'                    -  Gary Wilson, Bob Carlin
YOU the MAN                -  Dave Fleming, Dave Berglund
Zoids                      -  Dave Lewis, (TBA)

Single player pool:

ABACUS::SPENCER    Kent Spencer

    I will be forming a pratice round for the 27th of this month, tee times
    will be from about 1-2 in the afternoon, there will be an optional
    skins game ($5 to enter) and low gross ($2) to enter, anyone interested
    please send me mail by this wed., cost will be $50 (cart included), i
    have a few coupons for $10, i'll issue to the first 4 or 5 people who
    respond.
    
    send mail to nsg018::stopera or css::stopera
    
    peter

    			Challenge Cup Handicapping Suggestion
    
    Jeff:
    
    The Digital Challenge Cup Event sounds great. Skymeadow is in great
    shape and is a very challenging course from the blues (slope 137).
    
    I have a suggestion to make the competition factor in handicaps and
    still use the scramble format: Point Quota:
    
    Here's how it would work: Take the average handicap of the two golfers
    that make up a team and subtract that from 36. The answer becomes the
    point quota needed by that team. Award points via the following format:
    
    	Ace (Hole in one)	10 points
    	Eagle			 6 points
    	Birdie			 3 Points
    	Par			 2 Points
    	Bogey			 1 Point
    	Double bogey		 0
    	Triple Bodegy and above	-1 Point
    
    Lets look at how this would work:
    
    Team A 	Player 1       2		Team B	Player 1	17
    		Player 2       4			Player 2	19
    		Average	       3			Average		18
    
    Team C	Player 1       8
    		Player 2       11
    		Average	       9
    
    Round down because lower handicap should hit better shots
    
    Points Required:	Team A		Team B		Team C
    			  33		  18		  27
    
    Now Team A posts a 70 they should be about +2
    	Team B posts a 88 they should be about +2
    	Team C posts s 80 they should be about +2
    
    In a scamble format the scores should improve but the handicaps will
    put everyone in a position to win if they play to there handicaps.
    
    If you go in scratch, players under a 10 handicap have a huge
    adavantage and should win all the team prizes.
    
    Just a suggestion, I think the format is great and the course is
    fantastic.
    
    Regards, Dave White

Rick,

	Bob Lavner
        Mark Anderson

        "TOPGUNS"

re.  .27  Dave

    Interesting suggestion.  I'll watch the feedback in this notes file 
   about this.  I'll only consider this type of handicapping for prize
   distribution other than the Challenge Cup trophies themselves.  The
   original premise for the tournament was that this was a best two-man
   scratch event.  The trophies will still be awarded to that team.  It's
   up to the participants to construct a team that can best compete under
   that format. All the teams entered should be aware of that format before
   signing up.

     You're method seems solid, but is based on one assumption. That 
   assumption being that all players have legitimate, verifiable handicaps.
   We have close to 100 players now signed up, which will increase the
   chances of players not having handicaps.

-rick

    
    Reply Dave,Rick
    
    	I think it would ruin the tournament if the tourny became
    a handicap event. Like Rick says, this tourny was founded because
    of a previous problem starting a handicap tournament. The only
    way to get strokes from a better player, is to practice ;) !
    
    	See you at the range ...
    
    	Walta
    	

                    CHALLENGE CUP TOURNAMENT COMMITTEE


     Rick Blaisdell  -   Rules, trophies, verbiage, delegating the tough work  


    Here are the folks that are helping me run the Challenge Cup this year.
 Without them, I'd be dead meat.  Many thanks to them for volunteering their
 time and help!


     Peter Stopera   -   Liaison (middleman) to Sky Meadow
     Dave Sullivan   -   Food and beverages
     Jeff Burke      -   Prize categories     
     Gene Kelley     -   Voluntary prize pool  ($15 fee per team) 



-rick

                        CHALLENGE CUP FORMAT/COST


   - Challenge Cup II will be a two-person team scratch scramble tournament.
     There will be a men's division and a women's division with each division
     competing for Challenge Cup trophies. A trophy will be awarded to each
     member of the winning team.

   - A scramble tournament is where both members of the team hit from the
     same spot.  The best shot of the two is then selected, and the process
     continues until the ball is holed out.

   - Very simply, the team with the lowest gross score will win the tournament.
     Ties will be broken, based on performance on the low handicap(hardest)
     holes for the round completed.  No sudden death playoff.

   - The tournament will be played on Monday, October 15th at Sky Meadows
     CC in Nashua NH. I will provide directions to the course in a subsequent
     message.  There will be a 8:30 shotgun start. Your team *must* be at the
     course no later than 8:00 am to allow for collection of fees. Try to get
     to the course an hour before the start (7:30). 
   

   - Tournament cost is $45 per person.  $40 of the fee represents a 
     discounted green fee which includes gas/electric cart. That fee is payable
     to the pro shop. The pro will have a sign-in sheet with all players listed
     alphabetically.  Payment will be in cash only.

   - Prize fee. There is a $5 per person fee for prizes. A portion of this fee
     will also cover the purchase of the challenge cup trophies for the women's
     division.  A list of prize categories will be coming in a subsequent 
     message.  This fee will be payable to me in the pro shop. I or Jeff Burke
     will be standing near the sign-in sheet. The fee is payable in cash only.  Please,
     Bring a $5 bill with you! It may be hard for us to keep making change for
     20's and 50's.

   - Food and refreshments is currently being worked on by Dave Sullivan. 
     The $45 fee does not include provisions for food.

                **********   CHALLENGE CUP RULES  **********

        1)  Men will be playing from the Blue(championship) tee markers.
            Women will be playing from red (or forward) tee markers.

        2)  Order of hitting is by team that wins honors from the previous
            hole.  1st tee, flip a coin or tee.

        3)  Team furthest away hits first, always.

        4)  Leaf Rules  - (Hopefully, this won't be a factor)

            a) If you lose a ball in the *fairway* because of leaves, and your 
               group comes to a consensus ruling that the ball was indeed in 
               the fairway, then you are allowed a free drop with no penalty.
            b) While looking for a *lost* ball in the rough where there are 
               leaves, and you should move your ball by *accidently* stepping on
               or kicking it while clearing leaves, there will be no penalty.
            c) There will be a penalty assessed (to player not the team) if
               a player (or partner) should move the ball while clearing leaves
               away from it.  Key is that the player has already found the ball.
            d) You may clear leaves away from a drop area prior to the drop.
               (Changed from last year).

        5)  Preferred lies in your own fairway.  You may lift, clean and place 
            within 1 foot either side or back from original spot.  The first 
            player to hit should mark the hitting area with a tee, 2 feet to 
            the right or left of the original lie.  Do *not* place in the rough 
            or in fairway other than your own.  

        6)  Drop in rough or fairway other than your own - The player who's 
            ball was found and to be used for the next shot in the rough, must 
            play first and play the shot as is.  The second player on the team 
            is allowed to drop approx. near the original spot (within 1 foot 
            either side or back).  If the second player's drop lands in player 
            A's divot then the team will be allowed one free redrop. You must 
            drop, arm extended and from shoulder height.   Opposing team, 
            please note any violations of these rules and immediately bring to 
            the attention of the violating team and assess a 1 stroke penalty 
            (no second chances) on the spot.

        7)  Player who's ball was selected and that is in the bunker, must
            hit first.  His partner may then rake over the hit area, and
            then *place* his ball in the bunker.  Drops in bunkers more 
            than likely would produce a fried egg lie, which is why we are
            opting for the place rule.

        8)  You *must* have fun!!

        9)  All other USGA rules in affect.  Take a rule book with you!!!

    	Challenge Cup Rules
    
    If low gross is the rule, fair enough. Five dollars in the prize pool
    seems very reasonable for a low gross tournament. If the fee was $15
    then I would suggest having both low gross and low net. I'm not
    suggesting raising the fee to $15 but I heard that discussed and if
    that was the case then I would support both a low gross and low net.
    For those that don't have handicaps use a calliway system.
    Anyway, sounds like an excellant tourney. I'll predict that the
    teams that have 10 handicaps and below will dominate, most times the
    best golfers win and the rules are set up to award the best golfers.
    Looking forward to playing.

    
    Rick
    
    You mentioned in a previous mail message something about a dress
    code ? Should I wear my Kilt ?  ;^)
    
    If there is a dress code could you please post it .......
    
    Also, the rule about rough and other fairway ? Is this different
    from last year ? I seem to remember both players being able to
    drop in the rough thus both having the same shot and also being
    able to choose who shoots first ....
    
    Randy (alias Stadler of Stadler and Watson ... CCII champions !)
    

   Yes, the dress code will be posted today.  Hang in there!  The drop rule
  in the rough and other fairways has indeed changed to make it slightly
  more difficult and to keep with the spirit of playing the ball "as it lies".
  
-rick

RE:                      <<< Note 990.27 by GWYNED::DWHITE >>>
                   -< Handicap Suggestion for Challenge Cup II >-

This approach would be fair if the handicaps of the two entries were 
almost the same, but the team with one high handicapper and one low 
handicapper would clean up. Lets face it, the ball belonging to the 
low handicapper--or the one having the good day--would be the ball in 
play most of the day. You have a 2 combined with a 20, and, basically, 
you're giving the 2 a quota of 9. I'd like that!

A scramble is designed for scratch play. Stick with it.

Tom

                     POLICIES SPECIFIC TO SKY MEADOWS

 RAIN  -  Our policy for the tournament is that it is a rain or shine event.
          If the course becomes unplayable while we are playing, (needs to 
          rain real bad, the course handles water real well), we can play 
          another day to be determined later.

 CARTS -  They are mandatory. You can go anywhere (not greens and tees!) 
          with the cart provided the course is dry, if the course is wet 
          everyone must keep the carts on the cart paths.

 DRESS -  NO jeans. Collared shirts only. If it is unseasonably warm you can
          wear bermuda shorts. Other kinds of shorts will not be allowed.
          Adhere to this dress code, as they are strict about it.

 LOCAL RULES - Every water hazard is a lateral and is defined by red stakes 

     Registration for CCII will close as of this Friday, Sept 28th.  We
  are quickly approaching the maximum number players anyway.  Response
  has been terrific this year! Thank you.

     Just a reminder to those folks that are signed up without a partner.
  Please let me know by Friday who your partner is.  Also, there are more
  than a few teams out there without a name!

-rick

     Here is the current roster:   (tba) = No partner yet  (W) = Women's team


Ace                        -  Dave Sullivan, (tba)
Batman & Robin             -  Len Briggs, Tony Pelliccione
Beater and the Hack        -  Rich Luciano, Jim Bolger
BB's                       -  Rick Blaisdell, Jeff Burke
Bombers                    -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook
Chilliddipperrs            -  Rich O'Connor, Fran Merlone
Chip and Putt              -  Sam Pruett, Charles Kaberry
Crushma                    -  Kevin Roselle, Bob Prosser
Ding Dong's                -  Stu Osborne, Phil Feeney
Drivetime                  -  Tom Owen, Jim Trant
Eagles                     -  Steve Garrity, Brad Feltus
Fatal Fems                 -  Eunhwa Lenehan, Judy Hickey      (W)
Grim Reapers               -  Jim Gallagher, Dan Murphy
Hawks                      -  Kent Spencer, Eric Halfors
High-end Hackers           -  Dave White, Bill Askins
Hogan's Heroes             -  Terry Stopera, Gerri Passarelli (W)
Hole-in-1                  -  Fran Souva, Chip Houlihan
Holey Trojans              -  Mike O'Leary, Ed Sullivan
Huskies                    -  Dan Fay, Matt Doherty
Killers                    -  Bill Breen, Larry Hebert
Lemon-stirs                -  Walter Lenehen, Bob Keene
Linksta                    -  Dave Vanderpot, John Lambert
Loopers                    -  Joe Corrigan, Rolf Wandel     
Nfways                     -  Peter Neil, Dave Freel
Nonames VI                 -  Tom Davis, David Doxey
Nonames IX                 -  Don Poulsen, Andy Russo
Nonames XI                 -  Charlie Demers, Joe Pangraze
Nonames XII                -  Chuck Tewell, Mark Larocco
Nonames XVI                -  Laura Ware, (TBA)               (W)
Nonames XVII               -  Lisa Mazzola, (TBA)             (W)
Nonames XVIII              -  Greg Sloan, Jay Maloney
Nonames XIX                -  Patti Armstrong, Linda Vlastelica (W)
Nonames XX                 -  Bob Solomon, Dave Kistler
Ping Bros.                 -  Joe Biggs, Brian Thompson
Ping Kings                 -  Poul Nielsen, Eric Ogren
Ruff Riders                -  Andy Hughes, Tim Fissette
Rum 'n' Cokers             -  Keith Niskala, Bill Saball
Salem Aces                 -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor       
Salt & Pepper              -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes   
Sharks                     -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire
Simpsons(Bart&Homer)       -  Jim Reid, (Where's Homer?)
Snake and the Hit Man      -  Dave Deverell, John Jakubowski
Snappy & Slappy            -  Rich Vecchi, James Lewis
Stadler & Watson           -  Randy Stuart, Tom DesRochers
Topguns                    -  Bob Lavner, Mark Anderson
Two Al's                   -  Al Aucoin, Al Perkins
Ultimate Harps             -  Tom McSweeney, Dave Tracey
Up and Down                -  Ray Wieczerzak, (looking for partner)
Wacker and the Hacker      -  Steve Souza, John Souza
Willin'                    -  Gary Wilson, Bob Carlin
YOU the MAN                -  Dave Fleming, Dave Berglund
Zoids                      -  Dave Lewis, (TBA)

    
    Well, I got to play Sky Meadow for the second time yesterday, the
    first time was at the beginning of the season... And for the second
    time the course definately won...!!!
    
    For those of you that have not played the course yet, you are in
    for both a treat and a CHALLENGE...!
    
    Congrats to Rick Blaisdell for the low gross yesterday...
     
    Humbled again...
    Gene

    I second Gene's opinion, Sky Meadow is most definitely a treat to play!
    What a superb course, it truly is breath taking! I am certainly glad I
    played it once before the Challenge Cup II event. 3 or 4 under is going
    to be a great score on that day. Lot's of holes birdies can be had, but
    those same holes could result in bogie fairly easily too! Good Luck to
    all playing, the 15th will be here shortly.
    
    					-Paul
    

     Well, well, well.  What a golf course!  Spectacular layout,  Scenic
  vistas, impressive villas.  It was super to finally get out and play
  this thing.  If you get the chance, play it before Challenge Cup
  time.  

     I was definitely intimidated and tentative for the first 7 holes,
  until it finally clicked to play it aggressively and without fear.
  A very bad round turned into a fun round.  Thanks to Peter Stopera
  for getting Challenge Cup Jr. organized.

     I will be coming forth with my own hole by hole descriptions in
  a bit.

    My opinion is that if the weather is cold and windy, 1 or 2 under
  will win it.  If we get a day like yesterday, then 4 or 5 under will
  win.  Like Paul said, many birdie holes, but the slightest mistake and...
    ....ouch..!

-rick
    

    Registration for Challenge Cup II has officially closed.  From this
  point on, if anyone signs up, they will be put on an alternate list.
  I'll use the FIFO method for placing an alternate on a team.

    As of now, we have, drumroll please..... 117 players signed up.
  58 teams and one player that would be happy to fill out any team.
  There are several players that have signed up a team, yet have not
  indicated who their partner will be.  Please let me know who your
  partner is, ASAP, because I have to draw up the pairings and tee
  assignments very soon.

    For those teams that do not provide me a catchy name , I have 
  arbitrarily provided you with a name. If you don't like the name, let 
  me know what you want the real name to be.


   Ace                        -  Dave Sullivan, [NO PARTNER YET]
   Batman & Robin             -  Len Briggs, Tony Pelliccione
   BB's                       -  Rick Blaisdell, Jeff Burke
   Beater and the Hack        -  Rich Luciano, Jim Bolger
   Bicardi & St.Pauley Girl   -  Sandy Taylor, Mary Donahue       (W)
   Birdie Brigade             -  Joe Clarke, Ron Wuennemann
   Bombers                    -  Peter Stopera, Bob Mook
   Chilliddipperrs            -  Rich O'Connor, Fran Merlone
   Chip and Putt              -  Sam Pruett, Charles Kaberry
   Crushma                    -  Bill Gover, Bob Prosser
   David and Goliath          -  Charlie Demers, Joe Pangraze
   Ding Dong's                -  Stu Osborne, Phil Feeney
   Double D's                 -  Tom Davis, David Doxey
   Drivetime                  -  Tom Owen, Jim Trant
   Eagles                     -  Steve Garrity, Brad Feltus
   Fatal Attractions          -  Laura Ware, [NO PARTNER YET]     (W)
   Fatal Fems                 -  Eunhwa Lenehan, Judy Hickey      (W)
   Favorites                  -  Lisa Mazzola, [NO PARTNER YET]   (W)
   Grim Reapers               -  Jim Gallagher, Dan Murphy
   Hawks                      -  Kent Spencer, Eric Halfors
   High-end Hackers           -  Dave White, Bill Askins
   Hogan's Heroes             -  Terry Stopera, Gerri Passarelli  (W)
   Hole-in-1                  -  Fran Souva, Chip Houlihan
   Holey Trojans              -  Mike O'Leary, Ed Sullivan
   Huskies                    -  Dan Fay, Matt Doherty
   Kings                      -  Bill Breen, Larry Hebert
   Le Habs                    -  Don Poulsen, Andy Russo
   Lemon-stirs                -  Walter Lenehan, Bob Keene
   Linksta                    -  Dave Vanderpot, John Lambert
   Longshots                  -  Greg Sloan, Jay Maloney
   Loopers                    -  Joe Corrigan, Rolf Wandel     
   Mutant Ninja Golfers       -  Bob Solomon, Dave Kistler
   New Breed                  -  Marty Hunt, Dave Taylor
   Nfways                     -  Peter Neil, Dave Freel
   No Prisoners               -  Diane Durkin, [NO PARTNER YET]
   Ping Bros.                 -  Joe Biggs, Brian Thompson
   Ping Kings                 -  Poul Nielsen, Eric Ogren
   Ruff Riders                -  Andy Hughes, Tim Fissette
   Rum 'n' Cokers             -  Keith Niskala, Bill Saball
   Salem Aces                 -  Gene Kelley, Art Mansor       
   Salt & Pepper              -  Mike Longchamps, Tony Gomes   
   Sharks                     -  Paul Goguen, Steve Lacaire
   Simpsons(Bart&Homer)       -  Jim Reid, [NO PARTNER YET]
   Snake and the Hit Man      -  Dave Deverell, John Jakubowski
   Snappy & Slappy            -  Rich Vecchi, James Lewis
   Southern Masters           -  Steve McCarthy, Al Odabashian
   Stadler & Watson           -  Randy Stuart, Tom DesRochers
   Studs                      -  Chuck Tewell, Tom Fatal
   Studdettes                 -  Patti Armstrong, Linda Vlastelica   (W)
   Topguns                    -  Bob Lavner, Mark Anderson
   Two Al's                   -  Al Aucoin, Al Perkins
   Ultimate Harps             -  Tom McSweeney, Dave Tracey
   Up and Down                -  Ray Wieczerzak, Chuck Stradford
   Wacker and the Hacker      -  Steve Souza, John Souza
   Westfield Chargers         -  Earle Hollister, Jim Risko
   Willin'                    -  Gary Wilson, Bob Carlin
   YOU the MAN                -  Dave Fleming, Dave Berglund
   Zoids                      -  Dave Lewis, Don Dunn

Single player pool:

LEARN2::MUTH       Bill Muth   276-8710

    

    
    Finally got to play S.M. Sunday. What a monster. Weather wasn't the
    greatest but played pretty well. Not too many Driver-wedges. Greens
    took a little getting used to (3 putted the 1st 2 ;*( !!!!) but after
    that had a pretty good round. It sure plays loooong from all the way
    back!! 
    2 or 3 under sounds like a pretty good score for the SCC II. Hope the
    fall weather holds for us. 
    Whoever can hit it where they want it has a good chance. So forget it
    Slappy and Snappy!!!!
    
    Look forward to the 15th.
    
    Head Looper

    
    Hi Golfers,
    
    	Hmmmm... -2  -5  what's it going to take to win THIS year???
    
    	Well last year taught me a lesson about the talent this tourny
    	brings together. Last year I thought even par would take it,
    	I mean after all, we do WORK full time  right?? WRONG !
    	Looking over the list of entries in this years tourny is
    	very intimidating... I know a few of the combatants and
    	I wouldn't be surprised if we see some awesome scoring. Sky Meadow
    	is a tough course, but in a two man scramble with this crowd?
    	You better keep on birdieing! ;)
    
    
    	So, when does the cermonial verbage begin ???
    
    	( the Lemon-stirs are going to kick butt !)
    
    	Walta
    
    	

    
    Hey Gene ,
    
    	How'd you know the Lemon-stirs got their name from celebrating
    	their victories with a shot of Quervo Gold a little salt and
    	a lemon slice ?? !!!
    
    		:)
    
    		
    		Suckin' lemons for sure ...
    
    	The Lemon-stirs

    Walt,
    
    I thought you got the name because you were from leominister.
    
    peter - from the bombers who walk sliently but carry big sticks

Gene,

After watching you perform last Thursday, all I can say is your 
partner better have a GREAT day. But of course, as you well know, the 
same applies to my partner. Thank God we didn't team up! I can see it 
now...

"Geez, OB! Sorry, Gene."

"That's OK, Tom..." "Damn! I pulled it!"

"What's the rule here, Gene? Do we both play a provisional?"

Now Walta, he's a straight shooter. Thank God he can't putt!

Tom

    
    Tom,
    
    How true...! Our partners will have their work cut out for them if
    we play like we did last Thursday...! Hopefully we both got all those
    bad shots out of our systems, plus we now know the course layout a
    little better... Who knows we just might be able to help our partners
    out on a shot or two... ;-)
    
    
    Peter,
    
    I thought the same thing about the Lemon-stirs name...
    
    Walta,
    
    That wasn't quite the same rumor that I had heard...
    
    Regards and good luck to all (but sorry to say the best you will do is
    second place)
    
    Gene

    
    Pete,Tom,Gene,
    
    	Allright, so maybe the name Lemon-stir came from the fact we
    	both live in Leominster....  so.  We will still celebrate
    	the same way ;) !
    
    	Geeesh, you guys are bad,  here we go with the "I can't play
    	golf story" ... trying to lower the pressure ??? Ha ! I
    	happened to have been there when, a Mr. Davis stuck a 2 iron
    	to an uphill pin at Marlboro's 9th, some 200+ yards away,
    	only to make birdie after hitting a terrible tee-shot.
    	And Gene, of all people... the man who hits a driver 280+
    	yards without breaking a sweat? Who STOLE a greeny from me
    	on a par 3 after sinking a 30 footer, then halved/won? the match
    	on the back nine when he chipped in on 18 for a birdie ! 
    
    	Don't talk to me about how poorly your playing ... we'll see
    	at the 19th !
    
    	I'll buy both you guys a beer if either of you don't break 
    	par...
    
    	The Lemon-stirs
    	

    
    	Walta,
    
    	> I'll buy both you guys a beer if either of you don't beak par
    
    	Make that a case and I will see what I can do to screw up my
    	partner's game...! ;-) ;-)
    
    	Gene

    
     Remember.
    
     A dry course. Bring your own beer/wine etc...
    
     The buffet money is coming in real slow all those attending the
    buffet please get your $$$ to the collectors ASAP.
    
     Gene, Patti and Eunhwa (Assistant food committee members) send me mail
    on your status's.
    
     Thanks 
    
     _ Dave

	The BB's have a better shot this year than last.  My partner is
playing great, shooting the low gross (82) at the warm-up after having
never seen Sky Meadow.  I shot my best round of the year last week, a 78 
at Trull.  I'm predicting we'll play well...definitely under par!!

Jeff

	The ultimate prize for winning the Challenge Cup for both the men's
and women's divisions will be the Challenge Cup trophy.  Winning "the Cup"
is a difficult feat and should be recognized as a major achievement.
There will be four Challenge Cup trophies, one for each winning team
member.  Each trophy will be engraved with the names of the winners from
previous years to highlight the achievement of past winners.

	This is the second year for the Challenge Cup Tournament.  The 
field has grown to approximately 120 players.  It is important to note that 
the spirit of the Challenge Cup has not changed, that is to hold a scratch
scramble tournament where handicaps are not used to determine the winner.
This is also why we play very challenging courses, such as at Marlboro CC
last year and Sky Meadow CC this year.  However, because of the expanded
and diverse interest in the Challenge Cup we will also be expanding the
prize categories this year. 

	There will be both team and several individual prizes.  Beyond the 
Challenge Cup tropies, all other prizes will be in the form of cash.  The 
prize categories are listed below.  Good luck everyone, and most 
importantly, HAVE FUN!!  See you at the course....

Jeff Burke


		Challenge Cup Prizes

TEAM CATEGORY

	Men's Division
        ==============
        1st Challenge Cup Winners
        2nd
        3rd

	Women's Division
        ================
        1st Challenge Cup Winners
        2nd 
        3rd

	Any Division 
        ============
	Most Team Bogies
	Most Team Double Bogies

	What Happened Hole (high gross hole)

	Best Comeback (differential - back nine to front nine)	
        Worst Collapse (differential - front nine to back nine)

	Try Again (top gross score)

INDIVIDUAL CATEGORY

	Achievements
        ============

	Longest Drive in the Fairway (#6)
	Longest Drive in the Fairway (#12)
	
	Closest to the Pin (#2)
	Closest to the Pin (#8)
	Closest to the Pin (#11)
	Closest to the Pin (#15)

    
      er...Jeff..  I shot an 85 (83 with 2 stroke penalty for playing the
    wrong ball on #3).  Felt good about being only +2 over the last 11
    holes, however.
    
    -rick

    
    For the thin-skinners, this is just in jest. Enjoy and fire back!
    
    
ACE -  Ace is in a hole                                                  100:1
Batman & Robin - Sky Meadows doesn't allow capes                          50:1
BB's - Those that organize, don't win.                               2000000:1
Beater and the Hack - Didn't know Freddie and Jason play golf?             3:1
Bicardi & St. Pauli Girl - Will do well at the 19th hole                   1:1
Birdie Brigade  - How about the bogey blitz?                              50:1
Bombers - Overwhelming favs to repeat. How's zat for pressure?             1:4
Chilliddipperrs - Can't spell? ....Can't play.                             4:1
Chip & Putt - But we're not playing a pitch and putt course               10:1
David & Goliath - Does this mean they're gonna fight each other?           4:1
Ding Dong's - Bing bong...so long!                                         8:1
Drivetime -  Overdrive time                                               10:1
Double D's - Maybe some double B's?                                        3:1
Eagles - An endangered species                                            25:1
Fatal Attractions - Michael Douglas was gonna play until he heard....      3:1
Fatal Fems - Rookies = fatal mistakes                                      5:1
Favorites - ......to finish                                                2:1
Grim Reapers - They're dead                                              100:1
Hawks - Hawk = bird....birdie..birdies, oh, I get it.                      2:1
High-end Hackers - Low-end of the results sheet.                          50:1
Hogan's Heroes -  Ben Hogan proteges'                                      1:2
Hole-in-1   -  Well, there goes one of the closest to the pin prizes      25:1
Holey Trojans - Rumor has it they have rubbery legs.                      15:1
Huskies  - Better with the sleds than with the clubs.                      5:1
Kings -  Back to La La land for this team!                                50:1
Le Habs  -  Stanley Cups but no Challenge Cups                            10:1
Lemon-stirs - Will stir up some trouble                                    2:1
Linksta  -  From New Hampsha?                                              5:1
Longshots - What's in a name?                                             25:1
Loopers  -  Scary team. One of the favs.                                   1:1
New Breed  -  Sorry, rookies don't win the majors.                       100:1
NFways  -  Yeah right....Nice FairWAYS .                                 100:1
Studs  -  Do studs wear knickers?                                         20:1
Studdettes - Will wear down the opposition                                 2:1
Mutant Ninja Golfers -  Cowabungler dudes!                                15:1
No Prisoners  -  Cuz they forgot their handcuffs.                        100:1
Ping Bros. -  You mean the "illegally grooved club bros." ?                4:1
Ping Kings - Ah, the kings of the "illegally grooved clubs".               6:1
Ruff Riders -  In for a ruff ride.                                        80:1
Rum 'n Cokers - Pair 'em up with Bicardi & St. Pauli Girl!                50:1
Salem Aces  - Legends in their own minds.                                  2:1
Salt & Pepper - Still missing the key ingredients.                        75:1
Sharks  -  Some call Chief Brodie!                                         5:1
Simpsons -  No way Dudes!                                                 25:1
Snake & the Hit Man -  I'll take Jack the Fat guy , anyday.             10:1
Snappy & Slappy  - Starring Abbott and Costello                          100:1
Southern Masters - Too bad this is the Norther "Masters" tournament        7:1
Stadler & Watson - Last seen trying to win in Japan.                       5:1
Topguns -  Bottom of the barrel.  (think about this one)                  25:1
Two Als - Oooooh, intimidating team name!                                  3:1
Ultimate Harps -  Ultimately, out of it.                                  15:1
Up and Down -   ..... and out!                                            20:1
Wacker and the Hacker - Any relation to the Beater and the Hack ?         25:1
Westfield Chargers -  Go back West young men!                             10:1
Willin'  -  But are they able?                                             7:1
YOU the MAN -  Hey YOU....shut UP!                                         5:1
Zoids -  A couple of space cadets.                                       100:1
    

    
     I won't be giving a hole by hole description. Peter Stopera did a
    super job in an earlier reply.  He's right on for every hole. My
    overall advice would be to stay below the cup on the greens and
    to avoid the penalty strokes!
    
    
     Directions to Sky Meadows.
    
       Real easy to get to. Take Rte. 3 north.  Take Exit #1 after you
    cross into New Hampshire. It is the Spit Brook Rd. exit. Go west
    for about a mile. The course entrance is on the left. You will be
    going through a security gate where you get a pass. Follow the 
    road past the holes and condos for about 1/4 mile. Pro shop and
    1st tee will be on your left, parking lot is directly opposite
    in the woods on the right.
    
    -rick

    Who are the collectors? How much $'s?

    re .55 -< Prize Categories >-
    
    Hi, 
    
    	I was just wondering if it's too late to add a longest drive
    	catagory for women.  I've been talking to some of the women
    	about having our own pool.  Are the cach prize money coming
    	from the pool?
    
    	thanks,
    	Eunhwa
                             

    
     Eunhwa,
    
       Jeff will be on vacation right up until the tournament, so I'll be
    answering any questions regarding the prizes.  The long drives apply
    for both men and women.  On one of the long drive holes (#12), the
    red markers appear to be a good 100 yards ahead of the blues. This
    should enable the women to compete for the long drive.  The other
    hole I'm not sure, Peter can you help?  
    
    -rick

    
      I should check the scorecard first!
    
       #6  The reds are 51 yards ahead of the blues.
       #12 The reds are 140 yards ahead of the blues!
    
      #6 is considered a position tee shot from the blues so many of the
    men probably will be hitting fairway woods, long irons off the tee.
    My opinion is that Jeff selected the proper holes for long drives, in
    that both men and women should be able to compete for them.
    
    -rick

    Thanks for the quick reply, Rick.  Gee, I know one of the women
    in the teams who can hit over 220 yds.  That means you guys will 
    have to hit 220 + 140 = 360!  Even Walta can't hit that far ;)
    
    Eunhwa

    re. long driver
    
    on #12, then men don't stand a chance
    
    on #6, the women don't stand a chance
    
    just my opion
    peter

    We are in need of one more player to round out the field for Challenge
  Cup II.  There are now 57.5 teams ready and rarin' to go.  An odd number
  of teams, presents a slight problem in that I'd have to ask one of the
  pro shop folks to play and serve as a spotter.

    So....if you would like to play in what is shaping up to be , the 
  tournament of the year, let me know! The player looking for a partner
  is a DECcie, so we would allow a non-DEC type person to play.

-rick

Hi Folks

This is just a reminder/acknolegement of those that have paid us for the
lunch buffet and for those still wishing to participate. Remember the 
cut-off is this Friday at noon and it's cash only.

Thank You,  - Dave Sullivan & crew

 Persons that we have received money from thus far by collector

DAVE SULLIVAN       GENE KELLEY     PATTI ARMSTRONG    EUNHWA LENEHAN     
BILL MUTH           ART MANSOR      POUL NIELSON       WALTER LENEHAN
DAVE DERERELL       STEVE SOUZA     CHIP HOULIHAN      DON POULSON
JOHN JAKUBOWSKI     JOHN SOUZA      LINDA VLASTELICA   ANDY RUSSO
MARY DONAHUE        JOE CORRIGAN                       PATTY PERLA
SANDY TAYLOR        ROLF WANDEL
PHIL FEENEY         ERIC HALLFORS
SAM PRUET
CHARLES KABERRY
LARRY HEBERT
BILL BREEN
BOB LAUNER 

 We have 28 people thus far. 

 - Dave Sullivan

     Sheesh. Less then a week to go until Challenge Cup time, and it's
  awfully quiet in here.  Must be more than a few CCII competitors 
  fine tuning their games at the local links. It will all be in vain,
  as the BB's will emerge from the ashes (from last year), spring forth
  with vigor and amazing play, and stun the rest of the field with
  a resounding victory.  The "cups" will rest lovingly and snugly in
  the arms of messrs. Burke and Blaisdell for the ensuing year. Eat
  your hearts out, all you also-rans out there!

Rick_of_the_BB's  (aka Boastful Bores)
                       ~        ~

    
    
    Ya Rick, can't seem to be able to entice many people into commenting
    about their hope of being the victors...!
    
    Sorry to burst your bubble Rick, but the rumor I hear about the BBs
    is that they will be at the Bottom of the Barrel by tourney's end...!
    ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)...      ^             ^
    
    Regards
    Gene

    Rick and Jeff are geared up as usual.  Jeff my advice is to get Rick
    mad, he is the only golfer that can play when angry.  But it looks like
    a day for the putters; stay out of trouble and try to sink a few. 
    Sounds like from Pete's description that long hitters may lose some of
    their edge to accurate players.
    
    One rule question which is based on USGA which I don't have handy and
    that pertains to dropping the ball in areas which have a steep slope,
    impediments etc.  Sometimes the player is allowed to place after
    certain number of retries.
    
    King William

    
    
      MRO4            SALEM, NH     SPIT-BROOK       THE MILL
      ----            ---------     ----------       --------
      Dave Sullivan   GENE KELLEY   PATTY ARMSTRONG  EUNHWA LENEHAN
      MRO4/1 H18      NIO/P14       ZK2-2/N26        MLO5-2/23C
    
    
      The cost is $6 for 50 people or less payable in CASH ONLY to these
    collectors. The buffet is a great deal! If you havan't recived mail
    as to what it includes. Let me know 
    
      - Dave
    

    
     I doubt many of the cup combatants will read this before Monday, but
    just wanted to wish good luck to all. Looks like we are going to get
    lucky with the weather again. Forecast is for a sunny day with
    seasonable temps.  Look for some good scores.
    
    -rick
    

    OK guys, for those of us unfortunates who were not able to join
    in the festivities, who is going to volunteer to publish the
    results and other "goings on"?

                     MEN                       WOMEN
            (___________________)       (___________________)       
             \       DEC       /         \      DEC        /
              \ Challenge Cup /           \ Challenge Cup /
               \  Champions  /             \  Champions  /
               /             \             /             \
           +=====================+     +=====================+
           |        1990         |     |        1990         | 
           |                     |     |                     |
           |    Rich Luciano     |     |    Laura Ware       |
           |    Jim Bolger       |     |    Wendy Gikis      |
           |                     |     |                     |
           +---------------------+     +---------------------+
    


    Congratulations to all the winners!  A job well done. I'll post the
  complete scoreboard in the next couple of replies.  Can you believe
  that we had another 100% turnout !  All 112 players showed up to play.
  Thanks to everyone!  

-rick
    

      Here are the results in the women's division.



1     Fatal Attractions                    41  38    79
2     Hogan's Heroes                       43  43    86
3     Fatal Fems                           42  45    87
4     Favorites                            43  45    88
5     Bicardi & St. Pauli Girl             48  46    94
6     Studdettes                           57  51   108
    

       And here are the results from the men's division. As you can see,
    except for a couple of notable rounds, Sky Meadows won!  The wind
    started to blow, and with it the scores started to blow up.
    
       If more than one team tied at a particular score, The team(s) listed
    first won the tie-breakers.  Tie-breakers were scores on the hardest
    handicap holes.


   1  Beater & the Hack               35  33    68   -4   ! Great score
   2  New Breed                       33  36    69   -3   ! Great challenge
   3  Snake & the Hit Man             37  35    72
   4  Loopers                         35  37    72
   5  Ping Kings                      35  38    73
   6  Bombers                         36  37    73     ! A noble defense guys
   7  Lemon-stirs                     36  37    73
   8  Salem Aces                      37  37    74
   9  Linkstas                        36  38    74
  10  Snappy & Slappy                 36  38    74
  11  Southern Masters                39  36    75
  12  YOU the Man                     38  37    75
  13  BB's                            39  36    75     ! Crowd favorites
  14  Chilliddipperrs                 37  38    75
  15  Sausage & Pepper                36  39    75
  16  Ruff Riders                     38  37    75
  17  Chip & Putt                     38  38    76
  18  Double D's                      41  35    76
  19  Sharks                          40  36    76
  20  Hawks                           38  38    76
  21  Longshots                       38  39    77
  22  Eagles                          36  42    78
  23  Birdie Brigade                  38  40    78
  24  Westfield Chargers              40  39    79
  25  David & Goliath                 38  41    79
  26  Le Habs                         39  40    79
  27  Batman & Robin                  39  40    79
  28  Ace                             40  40    80
  29  Stadler & Watson                43  37    80
  30  Two Als                         43  38    81
  31  Straight Immigrants             43  38    81
  32  Ding Dongs                      43  39    82
  33  High-End Hackers                40  42    82
  34  NFways                          42  41    83  
  35  Studs                           41  43    84
  36  Willin'                         43  41    84
  37  Drivetime                       40  44    84
  38  Up & Down                       42  43    85
  39  Kings                           45  40    85
  40  Ultimate Harps                  44  41    85
  41  Simpsons                        40  46    86
  42  Ping Bros.                      41  46    87
  43  Zoids                           43  45    88
  44  Topguns                         44  44    88
  45  Wacker & the Hacker             47  43    90
  46  Huskies                         51  43    94
  47  Hole-in-1                       47  48    95
  48  Mutant Ninja Golfers            48  49    97
  49  Rum 'n' Cokers                  44  54    98
  50  Holey Trojans                   Somewhere above 99
    
    

    Here are some of the other prize winners. Congrats!


    Long Drive   #6         John Lambert
    Long Drive   #12        Lisa Mazzola    
    Closest to the pin #2   Keith Niskala    4' 5"
    Closest to the pin #8   Bob Mook         5' 1"
    Closest to the pin #11  Tom McSweeney    13' 7"
    Closest to the pin #15  Dave Taylor      7' 11"

 
     That's it for now folksgot to get some sleep.

-rick
    

    
    Congrats to all the minners...! And a big thanks to Rick for another
    great tourney... also thanks to Jeff Burke, Dave Sullivan and the
    weather...!
    
    Gene

    
    
    Rick,
    
      Thanks go to you and all who helped with CCII. All of the players in
    our four some had a GREAT TIME!!!
    
    DAve

    	It was fun. I'm just glad  I didn't break any windows on the condos
    on #12, fortunately my tee shot hit the roof!!!!!
    	Congrats to the winners, you guys get the coveted cup for a year.

Great time, even though the course got the best of my partner and I.
Thanks Rick, Jeff, Gene, and Dave for organizing the mighty event.
(And thanks to Rich Luciano for taking the bee sting for me. 8^)

I must protest about one thing, however (there's one in every crowd).
As a member of the Studettes, I would have preferred to see OUR final
score posted as "somewhere over 99." What the men's high score failed
to show was that a duo of the male persuasion had the high score. 
"Somewhere over 108" would have been more appropriate ;-).

Thanks again guys.
Patti

    
    HI,
    
    	AWESOME day or what ! Everything ran smooth, (except my swing )
    	thanks to Rick ,Gene, and Jeff... and the food was excellent
    	thanks to Dave "Sully".
    
    	Pete Stopera was a gracious host , and it was excellent of him
    	to allow all us hackers to play such a beautiful course.
    
    	If anyone found any Titliest golf balls... please let me know.
    	I lost about a dozen somewhere between the 1st and 18th.
    
    	Walta

	I had a great time thanks to everyone who worked hard to organize the
	event!   Thanks Rick, for including women!!!  

	Judy, Patty and Wendy from Monoosnock CC club definitely want to play 
	again next year and bring along more women.  That will be great because
	we will have a bigger pool money to compete for!

	Congratulations Laura and Wendy for an awsome score, 79!  Even if the
	Fatal Fems, Judy and I, turned a few of those 16 bogies into pars we
	couldn't have come close to your score ;)

	Eunhwa

Rick & Co,

Great event. Thanks. I've played in a lot of outings, but none better. 
Good format, good course, good weather, good folks. The only problem 
was that I should have come as a spectator, rather than as a 
participant. What number were those balls of yours, Walta? If anyone 
finds a #1, #4, or #7, it's probably mine. In fact, my first tee shot, 
on the 4th, sailed into private property and hid somewhere beneath a 
leaf or branch.

(The greens fees are only a small portion of the cost of playing that 
course.)

But even with all the lost balls and lost opportunities, we had a 
great time. And looking forward to next year.

Tom

    
    re: .80  Patti
    
      Got me on that one.  The men's team "The Holey Trojans", shot 
     a 122.  It was a long day and night yesterday.  Sorry.
    
      There are several people, who, knowing what I went through the
     last couple of weeks regarding this tournament, are having a big
     chuckle over this one!
    
    
    -rick
    
      

    Here are some of the statistics generated from this year's Challenge Cup
  tournament.  We had 56 teams (112 players).  From the scores, Sky Meadows
  was a more difficult course than Marlboro.  You have to attribute it to
  the fact that Sky offers a lot more trouble off the tee.  

    The front nine plays slightly more difficult than the back. What was
  amazing to me, was that the par 3 2nd hole played as the most difficult
  hole on the course. The next most difficult was the nasty 16th.  The
  easiest hole was the par 3 8th, with the short par 4 17th, close behind.

    The tournament's only eagle was recorded by the team of 'ACE' (Dave
  Sullivan and Bill Muth), on the par 5 14th hole.  The monster par 3
  11th, did not register 1 birdie.

-rick

   Hole#  Par  Tot+  Eagles Birdies Pars  Bogies  Doubles Triples  Quads Quints

    1      5    30      -      6      24    18        7      -       1     -
    2      3    45      -      1      25    19        8      2       -     1
    3      4    35      -      3      22    25        5      1       -     -
    4      4    43      -      2      20    24        9      1       -     -
    5      4    35      -      3      26    19        6      1       1     -
    6      5    24      -      7      27    17        3      -       2     -
    7      4    25      -      4      30    16        5      1       -     -
    8      3    17      -      4      33    17        2      -       -     -
    9      4    33      -      2      26    22        5      1       -     -
               ----
             + 287


   10      4    25      -      3      31    17        4      1       -     -
   11      3    41      -      -      27    20        7      1       1     -
   12      5    39      -      3      30    10        9      3       -     1
   13      4    25      -      4      31    16        3      1       1     -
   14      5    22      1      7      28    13        5      -       2     -
   15      3    22      -      1      36    15        4      -       -     -
   16      4    44      -      5      22    16        9      1       3     -
   17      4    19      -      4      33    15        4      -       -     -
   18      4    33      -      2      27    19        8      -       -     -
               ----
             + 270

    

    
     
      The eagle was quite a treat after the day we had. Bill muth chiped
    it in from just off the fringe. In the tradition of a true scramble
    we used Bill's tee shot (A monster) my second shot a lefty fade 
    taking the shortcut around the tree-line to the right and almost my
    chip which burnt the cup. This warmed it up for Bill's the went
    straight in.
    
       ACE
    

    if there was one factor not mentioned which contributed to higher
    scores is was hitting out of wet rough by those not used to it.
    
    conditions in the morning were excellent for low scores.
    
    do any predominantly twilight players encounter problems playing in
    daylight?
    
    what I am getting at was summed up by a remark made by Sam Snead about
    Ted Williams which I could not fathom at the time but now understand
    well
    
    	"[With his eyesight he would have made an outstanding golfer]"
    I think Sam was referring to the ability to read greens but I think
    good eyesight is a very underrated factor in good golf and it becomes
    very apparent in bright fall sunlight conditions.
    
    bb