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Conference 7.286::golf

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Created:Tue Feb 15 1994
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514.0. "Ryder Cup - A competition of words" by GBLNET::HOPE_MURRAY () Thu Feb 02 1989 14:24

    I know that THE event of the golfing year isnt until September, but it
    seems that the war of words is already building up around the Ryder
    Cup. Not only has Ray Floyd suggested altering the format (more singles
    on the last day) but journalists on both sides of the Atlantic are
    heating up their pens and filling them with vitriol for the coming
    confrontation. Since I only get to read the "european" press - and
    those of you in the US only see the "american" press - could we use
    this conference to not only exchange opinions but also to include
    those purple articles that appear in our respective magazines....
    
    For my part it doesnt matter what the venue, format, weather is....
    its going to be a great competition, with only golf as the clear
    winner....
    
    (I plan to put just a wee bit of money on Messrs Ballesteros, Lyle,
    Faldo et al.)
    
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514.1OH YEAH! SEZ WHO?OTOA02::JAYThu Feb 02 1989 19:4012
    WELL I WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE THAT THE RYDER CUP IS ONE OF THE MOST
    SIGNIFICANT GOLFING EVENTS OF THE YEAR. WITH THE EUROPEANS WINNING
    THE LAST TWO OUTINGS AND WITH THEIR CONSISTENT PLAY NOT ONLY ON
    THE U.S. PGA TOUR BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD THEY WILL BE HARD TO
    BEAT. HOWEVER, AS A FANATICAL CANADIAN GOLFER WITH NO OUTLETS OTHER
    THAN TRAVELLING TO WARMER CLIMES FOR A ROUND (AT LEAST UNTIL MY
    CLUB OPENS IN APRIL) A SENSIBLE WAGER LOOKS  ENTICING.
    
    HOW MUCH IS WEE? WHAT ODDS/ T'S AND C'S ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
    
    LINCOLN A. JAY
    DEC CANADA @OTO
514.2Journalistic Par?GBLNET::HOPE_MURRAYFri Feb 03 1989 07:4589
    An example of purple prose from the Guardian February 1st
    
    		FLOYD RIDES RYDER HOBBY HORSE
    			   by
    			David Davies
    
    One of the particular pleasures of beating the Americans in the Ryder
    Cup is that they are totally unablde to accept defeat. With the
    honourable exception of Jack Nicklaus, who in addition to being the
    world's greatest winner has also been the world's greatest loser, they
    whinge and they whine with such petulance that it actually enhances the
    joy of victory.
    
    They are, of course, unaccustomed to defeat, having won 22 matches to
    five, but they have lost they have lost the last two.
    
    In 1985 some of the players blamed British spectators at The Belfry for
    "booing and hissing" at them; others blamed the then captain, Lee
    Trevino, for being "invisible". In 1987 at Muirfield Villae, Ohio, the
    spectators again copped it, this time for being too quiet, and the
    losing captain, Nicklaus no less, was criticised for not playing strong
    young players like Mark Calcavecchia.
    
    Now this year's captain, Ray Floyd, has suggested a change in the
    format. He wants more points to be available - to go back to the format
    that existed prior to 1979, when there were 32 point in the match and
    not the current 28. He believes playing eight singles matches, both
    morning and afternoon of the last day, would enable the Americans to
    demonstrate their alleged greater strength in depth. In other words,
    now that we've lost twice on the trot can we please change the rules?
    
    His thinking is demonstrably fallacious, of course, in that the team
    with the strongest eight players, is more, not less, likely to win in
    such a format, but then the Americans are not thinking clearly about
    golf at the highest level at the moment.
    
    In the January edition of the American magazine Golf there appears a
    piece by a man called Thomas Boswell who, on a blurb for one his books,
    is described as "golf's most eloquent chronicler".
    
    The article carries the title "America's still king" and makes some
    strange assertions. "The only reason," he says, "that America loses the
    Ryder Cup is that we were generous enough to let Great Britain team up
    with all of Europe so they'd have a chance after years of
    disappointment." In fact it was Nicklaus who suggested the
    amalgamation. He, at least, realised that asking a team drawn from a
    territory the size of Great Britain and Ireland to take on the whole of
    the USA was a bit like asking New Mexico to take on the other 49
    States.
    
    Boswell burbles on: "If golf had a Davis Cup we would win it in a
    yawner every year. Do you think that Seve or Greg would like to get up
    a team of Spaniards or Aussies to stand [up to] Curtis and the boys?"
    
    Since he asks, I think they would love to. Davis Cup rules state that
    teams can be a minimum of two, a maximum of four, I would put my
    mortgage on Ballesteros, Jose-Maria Olazabal and Manuel Pinero against
    Curtis and any of his boys. And if Boswell wants to take on Great
    Britain, I would bet the Bank of England on Sandy Lyle, Ian Woosnam and
    Nick Faldo.
    
    One final assertion. "It's no accident," says Boswell, "that in the
    Eighties only one foreigner, David Graham, has won the US Open and none
    has captured a PGA Championship. Foreign players have done well in the
    British Open and the Masters because the depth of the PGA Tour is not
    reflected in these weak fields."
    
    This is ultimate stupidity. Foreign players have not done wiell in the
    US Open or PGA because it is difficult to do so when you are not
    allowed to play in them. Both championships invite only three or four
    token foreign players, whcih fails to recognise the revolution in world
    golf over the past decade.
    
    In contrast the Open, far from having a "weak field", ensures the top
    30-40 players from America, plus all the top players from the rest of
    the world are represented, and produce better winners that its
    counterpart in America. In the Eighties those winners have been Tom
    Watson (3), Ballesteros (2), Bill Rogers, Sandy Lyle, Greg Norman and
    Nick Faldo.
    
    
    
    <end of article>
    
    
    
    Can anyone supply the quoted article by Thomas Boswell in GOLF
    magazine, or indeed any other related articles?
    
514.31989 winning Ryder Cup team...MSEE::KELLEYCustom clubs/club repairMon Aug 14 1989 12:2921
    
    	This years WINNING Ryder Cup team is as follows:
    
    		Mark Calcavecchia
    		Curtis Strange
    		Chip Beck
    		Tom Kite
    		Paul Azinger
    		Fred Couples
    		Ken Green
    		Mark O'Meara
    		Payne Stewart
    		Mark McCumber
    
    	And Ray Floyd has two picks to make. He says they will most
    	likely be two people who have been on the Ryder Cup team 
    	before (Tom Watson has a good chance) since there are 5 people
    	on the team already that are on the team for the first time
    	(Beck, Azinger, Couples, Green, and McCumber)...
    
    	Gene
514.4Nearly time!SQGUK::NOCKLife in the Bus laneMon Aug 21 1989 17:2024
    I have to admit that I don't really fancy our (Europe) chances of
    retaining the cup this year. I still think our top men are better
    than yours, but our current form is not great and I don't think
    the 2nd string men in our side are as strong as yours this time.
    (Unlike the noter in the Walker Cup note, I don't think Sam Torrance
    is any benefit to us at all this year  -  I seriously hope he proves
    me dreadfully wrong - he's been playing bad ever since the last
    Ryder Cup and has only just scraped in the team this time round.)
    
    Also Jacklin's picks are likely to be saviours for the likes of
    Sandy Lyle - people with the talent, but currently WELL out of form,
    rather than, say, someone with experience who has only just missed
    out.
    
    I think if Langer makes it by qualification it summs up my apprehension
    (nothing against him, but he ain't in form!) - if he can play
    so abysmally and still qualify on merit (which he might), it doesn't 
    say much for the merit.
    
    A bit pessimistic, but I think it will be close - I still think
    we've got the big names now, not the US.
    
    Paul
    (Eur-ope Eur-ope Eur-ope!)
514.5Lanny will be thereSA1794::WELLSPEAKMy painted horse is weeping...Wed Aug 23 1989 11:355
    	I would almost bet the house, that one of Floyds 2 picks will
    be Lanny Wadkins.  He's a fierce competitor and good friend of Raymond
    Floyds.  Not a bad golfer either!!!
    
    Beak
514.6he already picked...MSEE::KELLEYCustom clubs/club repairWed Aug 23 1989 11:506
    
    RE: .5
    
    Floyd has already announced his two picks...! They are Tom Watson
    and you got it, Lanny Wadkins (who in my opinion does not belong
    there with the year he is having...)...