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Conference 7.286::golf

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Created:Tue Feb 15 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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2071.0. "Betting" by XLIB::MADSEN () Fri Mar 15 1996 17:47

    Can someone explain to me how wagering is done on the golf course.
    I don't understand terms like 
    skins game what's that?,
    My mind has gone blank but there are other types of betting that
    people do on the typical saturday afternoon on the course) what 
    are they called and how are they played.  Anyone help me?
    they say a friendly bet on the course adds interest to the game
    but I need to know what types of wages and how they're figured.
    
    If my handicap is a 20 for instance and your's is a 6 (vi sa vi) how are
    points given/taken?   I've played in leagues before and nevaer 
    get involved with the scoring (other than how many stokes I get
    on a hole) becasue I don't understand the handicap and how it
    relates to giving strokes.  
    
    also, what's "one up - two down"  or two down - one up"?
    thanks
    
    
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2071.1this could have a conference all by itselfASDG::TREMBLAYhttp://www.ultranet.com/~tremblay/Mon Mar 18 1996 18:237
	This is a huge topic in golf.  There's probably as many ways to bet on
the course are there are to bet in Vegas.  Books have been written on the
subject.  I'm not really going to answer any of your questions because I don't
have the time but I'm sure some brave souls will give it a go.  Maybe the
difference between match play and medal play would be a good start.  Good luck.
This note could be a lively one.
					JT
2071.2Some answersSTOWOA::tavo.ogo.dec.com::ODIAZOctavio DiazMon Mar 18 1996 20:4555
As .1 says betting in golf has many faces and shapes, but here are the two 
most common which you kind of mentioned: nassau and skins.

But first, the difference in handicap between two opponents is used to give 
that many strokes to the player with a higher handicap. In match play these 
number of strokes are used in the holes with higher degree of difficulty, as 
defined in the score card (The hole listed with handicap 1 is the most 
difficult hole and the 18 is the easiest). So in your example a 6 will give a 
20 handicapper 14 strokes to be used in holes 1 to 14. So as an example, if in 
any of those holes the 20 made a boggie and the 6 made a par, the hole is 
tied.

In medal play it handicap is simply used to calculate net score (actual score 
minus handicap). 

Now the betting:

Since most amateurs play match play (win by hole) vs. medal or stroke play 
(total strokes in 18 holes), most bets are based on that format.

Nassau
Even in Nassau there are many variations, but the common one is that you (or 
your team) agree on a bet per each 9 holes and for the full match, many time 
it is the same amount, so a $2 Nassau means you're betting $2 dollars for the 
front nine, $2 for the back nine and $2 for the total match. Without any 
"press" (later for what a press is) this format usually is not too 
painful, because unless your having a bad day, you usually win at least one of 
the nine holes, which means that at most you only pay for loosing the whole 
match.
A "press" is made when a player is loosing, usually by more than a couple of 
holes, in order to try to recoup some money. By "pressing" the opponent, it 
starts a new bet for whatever holes are left. This kind of bet can only be 
made by team or by two individual players.

Skins
When we can't get four players, we play skins. You bet some aount per 
hole. Say $1 per player. Here is an individual game, and you take the skin 
(and a dollar per opponent) when you have better score than the other players. 
With a tie by any two players makes a carryover which makes the next whole 
worth twice as much. If ties continue you could be looking at a very sizable 
pot.

"2 down - one up"
The way you refer to scoring in match play is by counting the number of holes 
you are ahead, or behind your opponent, i.e. if after 9 holes you have won 4, 
tied 2 and lost 3, you are 1 up or your opponent is 1 down.
 
Also The terms 2 down - one up or anything similar could refer to the final 
score, i.e. player 1 lost two down one up, means he/she was 2 holes behind 
with only one hole left to play, at which point the match is over. But most of 
the times you'll see only "2 and 1". So the worst score in match play (for 18 
holes) would be 10 and 8.

Hope this is somewhat clear
Tavo