Conference 7.286::golf

    There has always been a Seve verses USA picture painted in Europe,
    whether its fiction we do not know.
    
    Seve seems to thrive on being supposedly mistreated or misunderstood.
    
    The Open is held in Great Britain and is a truly open event hence the
    name, there are qualifying categories such as top 25 of current money
    list top 50 of the previous year, also certain wins and you are in past
    winners blah blah blah.
    
    If Seve has to invited it should not be called Open its clearly closed,
    he has had a bad couple of years but he is one of the true champions of
    modern times, and will put bums on seats.
    
    He has never performed in the US Open but he is a possible winner there
    are lots of guys who are not possible winners but they will be playing.
    
    Is Andy North playing,
    
    Joe

    I vote Seve has to earn his way to the U.S. Open.  
    
    Why - - - I remember 2 or 3 years ago there was a regional qualifier
    held here in Columbus, Ohio.  Greg Norman had to go to the qualifier to
    earn his way.  He played with lots of am's and held his head high.
    
    If Seve doen't have the guts to go to a qualifier, I don't mind hearing
    him cry, just as long as no one caves in and gives him an unearned
    ticket to play.
    
    fwiw,
    -jr

    
    re. last
    
  "just as long as no one caves in and gives him an unearned ticket to play"
    
    I would have thought having won 5 majors he had earned his ticket by
    now !  Seve should have received an invitation. The U.S. Open should
    be down graded from major status if it continues to ignore players
    like Seve while continuing to invite has-beens like Palmer & Miller.
    
    Palmer & Miller were greats in their time but are no longer capable of
    winning. As proved last week Seve is. 
    
    I.M.O it's just another case of the U.S.Open bias towards European tour 
    players. 
    
    Del.

    I think all previous winners are invited.  If Seve earns his way into
    the tourney like all of the other players and follows that up with a
    win, he too will be invited back every year.
    
    Don't get me wrong, I am not against Seve, I am opposed to giving him
    preferential treatment compared to others.
    
    -jr

    If Seve is in the top two on the European order of merit at the end of
    May I think he will be in the Us open.???

    
       Seve should be an automatic invite to the US Open.   Period!  I
       think his past accomplishments should warrant the invite.  If not,
       the USGA should just remove the 'open' from the title.  Palmer will
       be there.  At least Ballesteros has a chance to win it.
    
    -rick

    re.3
    
    Didn't that 'has been' Miller win a tour event this year?

    re.7
    
    Yes, Mr. Miller did win at Pebble Beach. And he certainly is not a
    "Has-Been"! Everyone knows what it takes to earn qualification into the
    US Open. Seve deserves respect no question there, however he will be
    the first one tell you what it takes to earn a slot in the US open.
    
    I hope he earns a position in the US Open.
    
    		ED 

    re. All
    
    The US OPEN is "open" because there are spots in the field that
    "anyone" can qualify for.
    
    There are 2 or 3 slots set aside for special invitations which were
    going to go to Jack Nicklaus and Johnny Miller based on their US OPEN
    wins at Oakmont where this years tournament is held.  Since Miller
    QUALIFIED based on his win at Pebble Beach, the USGA apparently is
    giving the special invitation to Palmer. (Palmer has had to go through
    the qualifying process for the open slots in past years.)
    
    Given the limited number of special invitations given, there is really
    no criteria by which Seve would deserve a spot over others so chances
    are he will never receive one.
    
    								_Greg         
    

    
    How did Colin Montgomerie and Barry Lane get into the US OPEN last
    year ?
    
    I can't think of any category that they could have been invited under
    other than they are jolly good eggs, or work for Mark McCormack.
    
    If the rules are open then Seve must qualify in one of the nominated
    categories, if that means he go's to school then he must go to school.
    It is rather odd that he is less attractive an invite now than in
    previous years, as stated with 5 majors in the locker and still being a
    young man ! (that must make a lot of people feel good)
    
    Palmer, Player, Miller, Jacklin, Trevino and many others are worth an
    invite, thats why the seniors are so popular they pull the crowds,
    without them it would not be the greatest sport on earth.

I didn't here all this whining when Tom Kite wasn't invited to play in
the Masters a couple of years ago !! Just because he was the all-time
leading money winner, had won at least one tournament every year for 14
years, etc. He didn't complain about it either.

Mad Hacker

    I may be wrong but when Tom kite was not invited how many majors had he
    won, none !!!
    So why invite a player that has played in at least 60 majors and never
    won a thing, he has had spectacular crumbles in that time.
    
    Perhaps you wanted him there to see him choke again, Seve and Kite are 
    not in the same league.
    
    In the Open the top 10 from the US list are invited maybe more why
    are only the top 2 in Europe.
    
    Is it because Woosnam,Seve, Faldo, Lyle ,Langer,Montgomerie and 
    Olazabal do not have a chance as its a weak Tour they play on.
    I think not!
    
    Joe

    As Flounder once said, "This is grreat!".
    

    Palmer was invited because Oakmont is only a few miles from his home
    and he will draw a big gallery.
    
    Didn't Seve also object to the tour qualifying school.
    
    Personallly I don't want him to get special treatment, if he is
    invited he will probably ask the committee to pay folks to
    follow him if his gallery is smaller than the Army.  Sour
    Grapes.  Earn it !!!!!

    Re:  "Seve and Kite are not in the same league."
    
    Gee, I can remember Kite playing exceeding well at the Ryder Cup. 
    Anyone remember how Seve did???
    
    Irregardless of who is, or was, the better golfer, Kite commands more
    respect on the course than Seve.  I have a great deal of respect for
    Tom Kite.  If you're not familiar with his character, that stupid grin
    he sometimes flashes might lead you astray.  Kite is a class act, Seve
    is an intimidator.
    
    INCOMMING !!!!!
    

                     <<< Note 1892.12 by PEKING::ANTELLJ >>>
                           -< Weak Euro Tour maybe >-

    
re.    Perhaps you wanted him there to see him choke again, Seve and Kite are 
       not in the same league.
    
re.    In the Open the top 10 from the US list are invited maybe more why
       are only the top 2 in Europe.
    
   1. How many times has Seve hit into the water on the back nine at
      Augusta to take himself out of contention? (I may have to take
      my shoes off to count that high !!)


   2. Thems the rules !! Petition the USGA if you want it changed.

   Seve has been a spectacular player at times but Kite has been consistent
   through the years. I like both, it is just fun to stir things up !!!

Mad Hacker

    Tom Charisma Kite, how many times has he hit in the water on the back
    nine ?
    Twice Thursday and  Friday he never makes the cut.
    
    Kite in the same league as Seve.
    
    Seve 5 majors
    Kite 1 Major (And do you remeber the chip in!! i hope he says thanks to
    his maker every night)
    
    So Seve is known as empty seats no charisama!!!
    Is that why he is a world icon for golf, Tom Kite may be a USA player
    but he is not a world star, Tom i wont play out of my back yard.
    He seems a nice guy but charisama is not his middle name.
    Norman
    Trevino
    Palmer
    Seve 
    
    I am not being biased but we have a charisma man he is called Faldo!!!

    
    Not being Biased? Please....
    
    Faldo (Charisma??) He certainly arouses my enthusiasm !! Especially
    when he is on the Greens.  NOT!
    
    	Just my opinion,
    
    		Ed 

   I always use the time that Faldo wastes lining up his putts (or is Fanny
doing it ?) to make a sandwich and grab a fresh brew. Sometimes I can get
the lawn mowed too !!!!

Mad Hacker

    I don't think that even Kite's strongest supporters would tell you he
    has charisma.  I would certainly give that nod to Seve.  Seve is much
    more exciting to watch play than Kite.  One exception would be Kite's
    fantastic win, in absolutely horrible weather, at the '92 U.S. Open at
    P. Beach.
    
    Kite gave away a tournament last year to his playing opponent by saving
    that person (darn, forget who it was...) a two stroke penalty. 
    Somehow, I just don't see a lot of other players doing that. 
    
    By the way, Seve got some good press over her by giving Azinger a
    goodwill call.  You know how much the sparks fly whenever those two get
    together.  And... Faldo called 'Zinger twice!  Azinger went on to say
    how much those calls meant to him.

    looking for "charisma" in golf and your in the wrong sport...!!!
    
    exciting isn't what wins in golf consistant is what wins...
    
    that's why the Kites of the world end up at the top of the
    money list all the time...
    
    and after all it's a job with these guys...I'll take a
    consistant performer anytime over a player with "charisma"
    as the player with "charisma" doesn't show up most of the time...
    especially with money on the line...

    
    
    Seve can be spectacular, good or bad, either way he is a class act and
    worth a tee time in any competition. Kite is a great competitor and
    worth an each way bet, also he should get a start time in any major.
    
    I think Arnie and his army should stay on the seniors, Seve and Kite
    be in the major where they both belong.
    
    
    
    

    Money is not the prize for the big Guys, Norman Seve Faldo and Kite
    would all pay 1000,000 to win the Open or Masters as they would earn
    treble that in endorsments.
    
    It is about entertainment putting bums on seats, like tennis was
    remeber Conners ,Nastase, Mc Enroe people tralked about them they
    were world stars.
    
    Faldo has got nil charisma as has Kite great golfers but not star
    quality, Seve and Norman they have charisma its like style you either
    have it or you dont.
    
    Nigel Mansell he is another charisma king
    
    
    We all like to be entertained Daly he has it star quality, you can be
    the best golfer in the world but if you aint got it you aint got it.
    
    Who is this guy who teaches Seve and says everyone takes drugs ?
    Does anyone know what he is about ?
    
    Joe

    
    
     >>   Who is this guy who teaches Seve and says everyone takes drugs ?
     >>   Does anyone know what he is about ?
     
    
    	Mac O'Grady! He's a fruit cake. Although very talanted (can play
        pretty well right or left handed), he was never a great success
        on the PGA tour. He tried for his card about 15 times, finally
    	making it under an assumed name. His real name is something like
    	Phil McGlenno, I believe. He's a real head case. He's into the 
    	"zen" school of teaching. Some people think he is a guru type of
    	teacher. I think he is a burnt out waste product.
    
    	Joe

      Gary McCord is a disciple of Mac.  And he has been playing well
    considering the amount of time he spends in the booth.  
    
    -rick

    We get to hear Gary Mcord over here on the US Events he always talks as
    though he is garbage, it was 2 weeks until i knew he was a Pro.
    
    I was watching the US Senior Tour the other week and the guy said
    a certain golfer took a six followed by a snowman!! I was wondering
    what the hell a snowman was then realised it was an 8.
    
    I never told my golf partners then when one of them got an 8 at the
    first hole!!  i informed him he had a snowman and drew the thing on the
    card.
    A snowman is now regular speak on our Tour, the Slashers Tour!!
    
    Certain players will have a N/R rather than the dreaded Snowman!!!

    
    	Gary's best line from the Masters was "they don't mow these
    	greens, they bikini wax 'em"...
    
    	Tom
    

    What ever happened to Calvin Peete ?
    
    He only hit it straight every time.
    
    Ken Brown is known as the walking one iron.
    
    Does anyone know an English Pro in the States called Tony Brabiner
    he has been out there a few years now, he plays in minor events i think
    or maybe the Hogan Tour not sure.
    
    Also Stefan Shyruma, he may have gone to Ireland though.
    
    These were two guys i grew up with who went on to become Pros
    
    Joe

Calvin Peete moved onto the Senior Tour last year. I had a short chat
with him at the Senior's Tourney at Nashawtuc(sp?) last year.

He was getting a club worked on and I asked him a couple stupid
questions and got his autograph. He was kinda snotty.

The part I remember most was the VERY attractive women sitting in the cart
with him .... His wife I assumed, a real looker !

I don't think he's won yet in the Seniors ......

Randy

    >We get to hear Gary Mcord over here on the US Events he always talks as
    >though he is garbage, it was 2 weeks until i knew he was a Pro.
    
    Do you get any of the broadcast with Ben Wright and Gary McCord? 
    There's a lot of banter between them, but usually it's Wright who's
    bashing McCord about something.  Of course, McCord makes himself such an
    easy target.  You gotta like a guy who doesn't take everything too
    seriously though.  The fun in watching McCord is that it's hard to
    believe what comes out of the guy's mouth.

    Having listened to both McCord and Wright for quite some time, I think
    the score is clearly in McCord's favor.  Usually Wright comes off as
    being the jerk that he is..  IMHO.
    
    -jr

    Yes we do get to hear Wright and M Cord, the latter is always making
    fun of himself no matter whet he shoots.
    
    That  little guy who commentates he is like a small dried up
    prune about 2ft six, Dave Marr his name is he seems quite a good chap
    his commentary is quite good.
    
    Do you ever get to hear Pater Alliss , he is a good commentator and
    whats so funny he makes derisory remarks about Faldo who gets the hump
    and walks out of Press conferences, he did it thia weekend Allis
    normally does it at the Open and the tabloids love it over here.
    
    Mind you Faldo is a miserable sod, a few yrs ago i marshalled at
    Wentworth (Our club is local so we always help out) i was on the 17th
    Green trying to block out spectataors veiws as we have been taught to
    do, Faldo got to the green and i was looking down the line of his putt
    whan he asked me to move, he still missed the putt so i should have
    stayed there.
    
    About 85 when Faldo was relatively unknown he was under Leadbetter at
    the time and was in a hell of a slump, my wife and i went to the
    European Open at Sunningdale it was the Wed Pro Am day and there
    were only 12 people watching the odd game, we got to 14 Faldo hit a
    terrible hook threw his club down and walked off.
    There was only a small article in the press , he walked out on his
    team.
    He is a great golfer but not a great guy 
    
    Golf brings out the worst in people and the best!!!
    You only have to read some of the notes here on a monday to see who
    three jabbed on a sunday!!!!

    Back to Seve and the  U.S.   Open.  A Boston Globe article today said
    that since Seve finished 6th in  the  Euro  PGA,  he went down in the
    Order of Merit thus not automatic invitation  to  US  Open,  but that
    later today the USGA was going to have  a release on the subject.  No
    indication which side they would come. Stay tuned.
    
    Tavo

    
    Thats true......
    
    With Olazabal winning the Volvo PGA yesterday and Ernie Els finishing
    runner up they are now 1st & 2nd in the European Order of Merit. Seve
    had to be in the top 2 after yesterdays event to gain an automatic
    place in the U.S Open. He has stated in todays press that he will not
    pre-qualifying, the only way he will play is if he receives an invite. 
    
    I.M.O if Seve doesn't play, the tournament will be devalued. A major
    should always have the best players, if not, it shouldn't continue to
    be classed as a major. 
    
    Del.

    
    
    
      Seve has received an invite, along with Ben Crenshaw.
    
     Seve has returned to something like his old form in recent months.
     He won the Benson/Hedges International four weeks ago and has finished
     8th and 6th in the last 2 Euro tour events. He is currently 4th in the
     European money list. Ballesteros has not missed a US Open since he
     made his debut in 1978.
    
     Ballesteros has won 69 events world wide since turning professional 20
     years ago, including 3 Opens and 2 US Masters. He reckons he was due
     an invite on this record. "It's not a matter of pride, qualifying is
     for rookies"
    
      Danny.

    That's excellent news, so all he had to do now is win it!
    
    
    Russell

    
    
    I think he'd be happy to make the cut!!! ;^)

    >Do you ever get to hear Pater Alliss , he is a good commentator and
    >whats so funny he makes derisory remarks about Faldo who...
    
    Yes, caught Alliss a few times doing commentary.  I rather enjoyed
    his work.
    
    Wright vs. McCord.  Now, there's a pair that beats 3-of-a-kind.  Wright
    calls the play well, but comes across as being a bit pompous.  These
    two were in rare form covering the Memorial.  (Actually, they were both
    worse than ever.)  McCord was getting a bit too silly, even asking
    Howard Twitty what his shoe size was. (Howard's a U.S. 14, which,
    except for basketball players, is rather large.)  Wright added that
    Howard's shoe size was two less than McCord's IQ.  I think you get the
    drift here...
    

    Seve will miss cut!!!
    
    

    Where does he stand in the rankings?   The U.S. Open takes the top 15
    from the Euro Tour as exemptions.

    
    It was good to read that Seve, as well as Crenshaw, have received
    invites. It would have been a poorer event without these two and the
    U.S.P.G.A should be congratulated.
    
    Don't write Seve off, as has been said previous he is playing better at 
    the moment than for sometime. Remember, he likes nothing better than 
    putting one over on the yanks and after all the talk about wether he
    would receive an invite or not he'll be extra determined to do well.
    
    He could be there at the death. I'm for a ten spot each way.
    
    Del 

    
    
   >>> U.S.P.G.A should be congratulated.
    
	not to nit, but it actually wasn't the PGA, it was the USGA. IF
        it had been the PGA, Seve probably would not have got in. Him
    	and Keiser Deane do not get along that famously

    Seve is 5th in the order of Merit, the US Take the top 2 not top 15 as
    mentioned earlier.
    
    The USGA had to give Seve and Crenshaw at the Open world stars both of
    em, the put bums on seats , there is no show without sweep.
    
    How about having a Tennis Open and saying Aggasi and Sampras dont
    qualify!!!!!!!!
    
    Some of the guys on the tour have weird names,
    
    Duffy Waldorf, Chip Beck, Isao Ioki, Hubert Green , Davis Love  3rd!!!
    is the guy royalty!!!
    
    Name the worst pro swing, Eamon Darcy, Trevino his looks silly and
    Floyds aint no oil painting (All great golfers though it makes you
    think, if it works chop it it aint no beauty contest)
    
    Who is that amatuer who played in the Walker Cup he is a US guy
    quite old ,half swing real funny but he can play he whooped
    are correct swinger!!!!!!

    
    
    How can it be right that the rules on qualification are changed at the
    12th hour ? Will they change out of bounds rules if Seve strays off the
    fairways ? 
    
    I believe automatic qualification should be for past winners, the top
    golfers on current form as a percentage aginst starts, and, all time greats
    rated against majors, tournament wins and spectator appeal again the
    top rated percentage against starts get in. The rest go to school.
    
    I hope Seve wins.
    
    < Funny Swings
    
    You say pro's so I can't mention yours Joe.
    
    Russel Claydon is one to watch, it sure makes me feel good.
    
                    

    re .44
    
    I cant say that any touring Pro's have bad swings (i.e. Worst). They all get
    through the ball so well and can work the ball under incredible
    circumstances and pressure. Some swings may look a bit funny for
    instance the Trevino outside takeaway or the Kenny Perry straight-up 
    takeaway but, all in all these "unique swinging" pro's make such great
    passes at the ball.  I find that tempo is so important in the swing,
    and many of the touring pro's have such nice tempo:
    
    					Nolan Henke
    					Fred Couples
    					Nick Price
    					Payne Stewart
    
    Just to name a fraction
    
    Jay Siegel is the  "well - seasoned" amateur that you were asking about. 
    I really dont see a funny swing there. He is one of the longest hitters on 
    the senior tour and one of the more consistent "greens in reg." players.
    
    BTW - I am glad to see Crenshaw and Seve in the OPEN. Good-luck to
    both!
    
    

    
      Nick Price , nice tempo?   He's a blur taking it back and coming 
      through the ball.
    
    -rick

    re. 47
    
    Your right he sure is quick, but he looks so comfortable and relaxed over 
    the ball, and he repeats that same movement each time. I just really enjoy
    watching him give it a go. 
    	
    	ED

    I think the older amateur with the funny swing is Allan Doyle
    (mid-40's, I think), who was 3-0 in last year's Walker Cup.

    Bill

    >Seve is 5th in the order of Merit, the US Take the top 2 not top 15 as
    >mentioned earlier.
    
    Top 2 from where?  We may have to put a Sam Adams on this one.  I know
    I just read about the top 15 from Europe getting an invitation.

    
    It could be that the top 15 on last years European order of Merit gain
    invites but I wouldn't think so. As far as this years order of merit
    goes it is definitely only the top 2 placings after the Volvo PGA that
    gain automatic qualification. ie. Olazabal & Els.
    
    Del.

    Allan Doyle he is your funny swinger,(Thanks i could not remeber)
    
    Nick Price has got such good mechanics in his swing he can it it as
    hard as he can, only poor techniquies need slow swings to get it back
    in position at the ball.
    
    Faldo a funny swing!! i am not buying that a funny guy but a great
    swing as is Nick Price's swing.
    
    Leigh bashing the ground wih your driver is not the way to play, is it
    true the boys on tour call you bam bam !!!
    
    Faldo shot a 67 in the Belgian Open, then said" the PGA msut be getting
    more important the press only have a go at Majors!!"(A bit touchy Nick)
    
    Barry Lane shot a 65 with a ladies putter, i have said for months he is
    a great golfer and will win a Major one day but i get no support.
    
    In our area we had a Pro called Green i cant remeber his first name he
    was a great golfer and the older he got the better he got he is still
    improving even though he dont play anymore!!!
    SOme golfer eh!!!

re .44    
>>    Duffy Waldorf, Chip Beck, Isao Ioki, Hubert Green , Davis Love  3rd!!!
>>    is the guy royalty!!!
    
  Actually, Davis Love 3rds' father was also a pro, so maybe
  he added the III to avoid confusion.

    >Name the worst pro swing,...
    
    Ray Floyd.  Every time I watch him play I'm amazed he so good with such
    a hacky swing.  I guess his swing is unusual because his arms are
    rather short.
    
    Ok, how about the worse grip?
    
    	My vote:  Paul Azinger and that super strong grip.
    
    And, a combo:  Nice swing, bad clothes ---
    
    No contest, Payne Stewart.  Did you know he gets $$$$ from the National
    Football League for wearing NFL color coordinated clothing?  It's true.  
    And you thought he dressed like a dork for nothing...

    His dad was Davis Love, Jr.  The rest is left as an execise for the
    reader.

    Payne Stewart is promoting some clubs in Engalnd, he rambles on about
    how good the clubs then says 'The bottom line is if you dress like this
    you better be able to play'
    
    Is that why some of the mebers in our club are shabby tramps it
    reflects their golf.
    
    Mickleson i watched him the weekend what a putter, if Faldo could putt
    like him he would win all the majors for 4 years easy!!!!!
    
    Most disliked Golfer over here Montgomerie easy by a mile, that guy who
    teaches Seve is it true that he can play left or right handed, i have
    been told he wanted to play in a pairs comp on his own playing one ball
    left handed and one right, is that correct ?

    Re:                      <<< Note 1892.52 by BUSSTP::DREES >>>

    Just to  clarify the selection for the US Open, since I got yesterday
    the Open's brochure from USGA.
    
    The Order of Merit top 15 at end of 1993 qualify
    The Order of Merit top 2 in 1994 up to May 31 qualify
    
    Tavo

    Anyone that would suggest that Payne Stewart is not the best dressed on
    the Tour has all of his taste in his mouth.  When I am forced to see
    dressers like Faldo, Seve, Kite, Davis Love III, I want to force them
    to listen to Ben Wright's inane commentary.
    
    Big Mac

    
    
    
      Faldo may not be the most "flashy" dresser on tour but he currently
     has a contract with Pringle of Scotland worth several million quid
     over a couple of years. The Faldo range of clothing is considered to
     be top of the range golfing wear over here, bloody expensive mind
     you!!!
    
      Danny.

    The Pringle Polo shirts are very good, but some of the sweaters need an
    ariel that way you would get a better picture, interferance we call em.
    
    Some of the golf clothes are sad, Reebok do a good range Greg Norman
    style but a bit lumpy(Expensive)
    
    What about Stylo remember the shoes and shirts, i still wear them!!!!
    how bad are they!!!
    
    Ashworths are nice but very expensive , but so is everything to do with
    Golf, except useless tips on how to improve,
    Now Grip Lightly take it away on the inside pull down with your left
    arm........

    
    I like the line Payne Stewart uses in his ads, "If you are going to
    dress like this (his outfit du jour) you had better play well."  Or,
    something to that effect.  I do love watching him swing a golf club
    though.  Smooth and sweet.
    
    On Faldo - I wonder how much it would cost to get him to wear a golf
    cap with a sponsorship on it???   Must be nice...  Faldo's attire is
    most definitely country club (at least, over here).   Nice stuff, if
    you can afford it.  
    

    re: .53
    
    > only poor techniquies need slow swings to get it back
    > in position at the ball
    
    really...
    
    that means the following must have had poor techniquie:
    
    	Nicklaus,Snead,Byron Nelson,Couples,Mize,Don January,etc.
    
    

    You are correct, how much money would Couples earn if he swung the club
    as fast as Price!!!
    
    I never said it was wrong just stated a fact the better swing you have
    the faster you can swing, why does Floyd Swing slow ?
    
    I am not saying these guys can not golf cos they can just stating a
    fact, have you ever seen Nick Price swing 100 miles per hr, you can not
    do that with iffy technique.
    
    really.......
    Yes suprisingly !!!!!!!!

    You're right, Joe. I watched Price swing in slo-mo a few times, and
    looked at frame photos of his swing.  The guy may swing fast, but his
    technique is perfect.  The beauty of his swing is lost to the eye
    because of his speed, but it is most definitely there.
    

    re: .64/.64
    
    I agree...what's that old saying 
    
    "swings are like faces, everyone is different"
    
    it's what happens at the ball that counts and these guys can
    all hit the ball consistantly time after time...

    I watched Trevino over the weekend!!!
    
    In slow motion he aims right drops the club at the top of the swing,
    he does everything wrong!! or so the purists would say.
    
    He knows how he will hit the ball so you cant knock the guy he is
    awsome.
    
    If it works use it, and never try to hit it straight

    
    	Has anyone else noticed that Seve is back?  He's now #1 in
    	Europe for Ryder Cup points.  He's been in the hunt in many
    	of the last tournaments and I believe he kinda gagged to
    	2nd place last weekend.
    
    	But I'm constantly seeing his name near the top.
    
    	Glad to see it - he is easily one of the most exciting players
    	in the world.  
    
    	Anyone out across the pond know what's up and why he's
    	suddenly back?
    
    	Tom
    

    
    
    
        Seve has been playing extremely well in Europe over the past few
       months, finishing in the big money in most tournaments. Don't have
       the figures available for this season but he's on top of the Ryder
       points list which began 3 or 4 tournaments ago.
    
        However, in recent months Seve has been getting a bit of bad press
       in Europe which came to a head at the weekend when he finished 2nd
       equal in the Volvo Masters in Spain.
    
        A few weeks ago he was warned, but not fined for slow play in the
       German Masters. On Saturday he was fined 500 pounds for slow play.
       Playing the 18th on the final day he needed birdie to win, par to
       tie. His tee-shot finished against a tree on the course. Seve wanted
       a free drop from a "burrowing animal hole". The referee refused and 
       the 2 argued/discussed it for a full 30 minutes before Seve played
       his shot. He bogeyed the hole to leave Bernhard Langer as the
       winner. Colin Montgomerie, Seve's playing partner also needed birdie
       to tie Langer. He hit a perfect tee shot down 18, but after waiting
       so long, he pulled his approach show into the gallery and finished
       with a bogey. To say he was a bit unhappy is putting it mildly.
    
        Montgomerie finished the season as Europe's leading money winner
       for the 2nd year in succession. He has won millions in his
       relatively short pro career and must now be looking to win his first
       major to really establish himself as one of the best in the world.
    
        Danny.

    
    
     In my opinion Seve had every right to ask the ref to make a decision
    as regards the ruling of a ball landing in a animal scraping.
     Seve did drag it out a bit but the ref did not make a decision
    quick enough.The rules do state that if the ball lands in a animal
    scraping the player may lift and drop within two club lenghts without a 
    penalty stroke.
     Answer me this,if the ball had landed in the middle of the fairway and 
    was in a animal scraping would the ref have taken so long to come to
    his decision,but on the other hand would  have Seve asked for a drop.
    
     Sean.
      

    quite right - it was the dithering official to blame - he should've
    walked up had a look and gone yes/no thats it mate get on with it.
    but he was obviously fazed cos it was the great Seve on his home course
    in front of his home crowd - i'd've probably dithered in those
    circumstances!

Alot of the reasons for his return to form have been put down to 2 things. He 
spent last christmas in houston working with a fitness specialist or phsio which
has improved his bad back which had plagued him for the previous few years. Also
he hired Mac O'grady as his coach and he made some swing changes which help
his consistency and didn't put so much pressure on his back. He's still liable
to the hook at crucial times for example at the World Matchplay against Ernie 
Els.

All in all it's great to see him back at the top
Mike