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From: djking@netcom.com (Dan King)
Subject: U.S. Ryder Cup Standings 05/01/94
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Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 23:41:16 GMT
 
U.S.A. Ryder Cup Standings as of 05/01/94
 
                                      Last
Rank  Name                    Points  Week
     Olazabal, Jose Maria....270.000
  1. Roberts, Loren..........242.500   1
  2. Lehman, Tom.............205.000   2
  3. Kite, Tom...............191.750   5
  4. Maggert, Jeff...........185.000   7
  4. Pavin, Corey............185.000   3
     Norman, Greg............162.500
  6. Mize, Larry.............157.500   4
  7. Irwin, Hale.............150.000   6
  8. Springer, Mike..........141.364   8
  9. Huston, John............128.864   9
 10. Zoeller, Fuzzy..........125.000  10
 
 11. Mickelson, Phil.........122.364  11
 12. Love, Davis III.........120.000  12
     Price, Nick.............115.000
     Singh, Vijay............105.000
 13. Haas, Jay...............102.500  13
 14. Couples, Fred............90.000  14
 14. Estes, Bob...............90.000  14
 16. Clements, Lennie.........86.250  16
 17. Magee, Andrew............85.000  17
 18. Bryant, Brad.............82.500  18
 18. Stadler, Craig...........82.500  18
 20. Hoch, Scott..............81.000  20
 21. Sutton, Hal..............78.000  36
 22. Glasson, Bill............76.667  21
 23. Crenshaw, Ben............75.000  22
 23. Heinen, Mike.............75.000  XX
 23. McGovern, Jim............75.000  22
 23. Miller, Johnny...........75.000  22
     Ogle, Brett..............75.000
 23. Watson, Tom..............75.000  22
     Parry, Craig.............67.500
 28. Triplett, Kirk...........66.364  26
 29. Edwards, David...........65.000  27
 29. Lowery, Steve............65.000  27
     Frost, David.............60.000
 31. Faxon, Brad..............55.000  29
 32. McCallister, Blaine......45.000  30
 33. Gallagher, Jim Jr........43.000  31
 34. Andrade, Billy...........42.500  32
 34. Daly, John...............42.500  50
 36. Beck, Chip...............40.000  33
 36. Chamblee, Brandel........40.000  33
 36. Humenik, Ed..............40.000  33
     Torrance, Sam............40.000
 39. Blake, Jay Don...........37.500  37
     Els, Ernie...............37.500
 39. Jacobsen, Peter..........37.500  54
     Parnevik, Jesper.........37.500
 39. Stricker, Steve..........37.500  37
 42. Strange, Curtis..........35.167  40
 43. Henke, Nolan.............33.750  39
 44. Tryba, Ted...............32.500  41
 45. Weibring, D.A............31.667  42
 46. Thorpe, Jim..............31.364  43
 47. Carnevale, Mark..........30.000  44
 47. Clearwater, Keith........30.000  44
     Faldo, Nick..............30.000
 47. Lohr, Bob................30.000  44
 47. Paulsen, Dennis..........30.000  44
 47. Perry, Kenny.............30.000  44
 47. Stewart, Payne...........30.000  44
 53. Gilder, Bob..............27.500  XX
     Langer, Bernhard.........27.500
 53. Simpson, Scott...........27.500  50
 55. Browne, Olin.............25.000  52
 56. Fehr, Rick...............23.864  53
 57. Hammond, Donnie..........22.500  54
 57. Morse, John..............22.500  54
 59. Boros, Guy...............20.000  57
 59. Freeman, Robin...........20.000  57
 59. Stankowski, Paul.........20.000  57
 62. Cochran, Russ............17.500  60
 62. Delsing, Jay.............17.500  60
 62. Furyk, Jim...............17.500  60
 62. Gamez, Robert............17.500  60
 62. Hart, Dudley.............17.500  60
 67. Lietzke, Bruce...........15.000  65
 67. Morgan, Gil..............15.000  XX
 69. Brodie, Steve............12.500  66
 69. Clampett, Bobby..........12.500  66
 69. DiMarco, Chris...........12.500  66
 69. Mast, Dick...............12.500  66
 69. Twitty, Howard...........12.500  66
 74. Goydos, Paul..............8.750  71
 75. Funk, Fred................7.667  74
 76. Edwards, Joel.............7.500  72
 76. Smith, Mike...............7.500  72
 78. Pate, Steve...............6.000  74
     Baker-Finch, Ian..........5.000
 79. Floyd, Ray................5.000  76
     Ishii, David..............5.000
 79. Ogrin, David..............5.000  76
     Okuda, Seiki..............5.000
 81. Calcavecchia, Mark........3.750  78
 81. Hallberg, Gary............3.750  78
 81. Martin, Doug..............3.750  78
     Montgomerie, Colin........3.750
 84. Fleisher, Bruce...........3.000  81
     Lyle, Sandy...............3.000
 85. Barr, Dave................1.667  XX
 85. Day, Glen.................1.667  82
 85. Hulbert, Mike.............1.667  82
 85. McCumber, Mark............1.667  82
 85. Nelson, Larry.............1.667  82
 90. Burns, Bob................1.364  86
     Feherty, David............1.364
 90. Mayfair, Billy............1.364  86
 90. Mediate, Rocco............1.364  86
 90. Pruitt, Dillard...........1.364  86
 
 
Dan King
djking@netcom.com
dking@nas.nasa.gov
 

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (Reuters)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.golf,clari.world.europe.uk,clari.sports.misc,clari.worl
Subject: Golf-Ballesteros Resigns from Ryder Cup Committee
Date: Tue, 3 May 94 10:10:08 PDT

         LONDON (Reuter) - Seve Ballesteros resigned as a member of
the Ryder Cup Committee Tuesday because he has publicly backed a
potential venue for the 1997 tournament in Spain.
         ``In retrospect I should not have been invited or accepted
the position when I had already declared my support for one of
the candidates,'' said Ballesteros.
         ``I do not think there is any Member of the Committee that
loves the Ryder Cup more than I, or knows my country and my
people better than I do.
         ``But I find myself in a very difficult position because I
have stated clearly and strongly that in my opinion Novo Sancti
Petri is the best venue for the Ryder Cup.''
         Whether or not the rest of the Committee agrees could be
known by the end of the month.
         They meet May 25 and Ken Schofield, Executive Director of
the PGA European Tour said, ``If the Committee feels they are in
a position to finalize the venue and location then their
decision will be known immediately.''
         Ballesteros promised, ``I will accept and respect the final
decision. The Ryder Cup is for me the greatest event in the game
of golf and the most important thing is that it remains that
way, and especially when it comes to Spain.''
         Schofield added: ``Seve's resignation has been accepted by
his colleagues with regret, but with complete understanding. No
one has done more for the recent successes of the Ryder Cup than
Seve and no single person has done more for it arriving in Spain
as the first (European) nation to host the matches outside Great
Britain.
         ``Seve's agreement to accept the final venue and location
selection of his colleagues is very important.''

    
    Seve has upset the Ryder Cup Captain and Committee by claiming that he
    was offered a One Million Dollar gift to support Valderama as the venue
    for the first Ryder Cup in Spain.
    
    That claim has been rejected by the Valderama Club who went on to say a
    payment was made to Seve, but the payment was for Seve's input to the
    redesign of the 17th Green !
    
    Nice work if you can get it.
    
     

    
    
    
    Good luck grabbing tickets for the Cup defense.  Per my brother-in-law
    in Rochester, NY tickets are gone...SOLD OUT!  And he is scrambling to
    nail down any possible leads.  Oak Hill itself and the tourney
    committee have nothing to offer.  I hope I don't have to divorce him.
    I have only been nagging...(cough,choke...err) asking him, rather...
    to score the tickets since the Ryder Cup was televised.  Good thing
    he has a gorgeous wife w/ equally gorgeous sisters.  A good slack
    cutting reason if ever there were one.
    
    Any suggestions to keep my brother-in-law on my will?
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    ML
    

    Its suprising how the event has taken off, when it was UK v US it was a
    dead event no its Europe v US it has really been a popular event.
    
    Its played in a tremendous spirit with Seve and Zinger having a ruck
    over cheating, it mirrors golf clubs in England play ashard as you can
    gamesmanship if you can swing it, no cheating jsut rying to put your
    opponnent of.
    
    Now tell me i am the only one ever to try gamesmanship on a course, all
    my opponnents try it on me.
    
    There is nothing better than seeing Cory Pavin punching the air when he
    hols a putt or Seve (If he ever does again) its a real battle a great
    game.
    Its like the Majors nothing to do with money, golf for golfs sake
    playing for your team.
    The Euro team is a bit shabby we are losing a proven winners the edge
    has gone, Faldo Lyle Langer Seve Lane all the greats are sliping, our
    problem i dont expect you USA guys to be concerned you just want to 
    grind us into the dirt and rightly so.
    
    Joe

                     <<< Note 1890.5 by PEKING::ANTELLJ >>>

>   The Euro team is a bit shabby we are losing a proven winners the edge
>   has gone, Faldo Lyle Langer Seve Lane all the greats are sliping, our
>   problem i dont expect you USA guys to be concerned you just want to 
>   grind us into the dirt and rightly so.


    And  to make it better for the US, and I don't if  due  to  injuries,
    accidents,  etc,  of  some of the top US tour players, but it was  an
    interesting statistic  on  TV at the Memorial, that, there has been a
    record number of  first  time  winners  in the US PGA tour, I believe
    five or six, and that noone  has  won  two  tournaments this year, so
    there is a lot of good, fresh new talent brewing.
    
    Tavo

    >Its played in a tremendous spirit with Seve and Zinger having a ruck
    >over cheating,
    
    I don't remember anything about cheating.  I thought it was the whole
    deal about Seve trying to unnerve Azinger at the Cup and Azinger giving
    it right back to him.  A lot of standing realllly close while the other
    guy is lining up his shot and hitting.  Seve picked the wrong guy to do
    that with as Azinger is tougher than nails. You know, the "Oh, Yeah! 
    I'll show you." type.  Now, a John Cook probably would have been totally
    shaken.
    
    

    I never meant cheating as in the Leather wedge, just a bit of
    gamesmanship the crowd love it the players have a right old battle it
    sorts the men from the boys.
    
    As a famous football manager said once 'Football is not life and death
    its more important' as is golf.
    
    I bet Zinger and Seve have a lot of respect for each other
    
    
    Lasher Joe

The cheating incident refered to the foursomes match between Seve & Olazabal and
Azinger & Beck. Unlike amateurs, pros cannot change the make or compression of
the golf ball during the round. During this match Seve noticed that the
oposition had changed the compression of the ball, and questioned it.

No excuse as they are briefed on the rules prior to the days play.

Still adds to the excitement of a great competition.


	Dave

    
    re: make or compression
    
    	I assume this also prevents the use of a balata & 2-piece ball of
    	the same compression.
    
    	The rule is intended to prevent players from choosing hi/low flight
    	balls to take advantage of wind or terrain, or to use a high spin
    	ball on an approach but not a drive, etc.
    
    	I think that an exception should be made on the greens.  I like the
    	feel of a balata ball on the green, but I can't afford to replace
    	them each time I hit an iron shot thin.  I think that the use of
    	a different ball on the green should be made legal.
    
    /jim
    
    p.s.  not that it helped my putting LAST week, mind you.

    Jim,
    
    It is against the rules to cgange your ball while playing the hole
    unless it is damaged, thats the same for the slashers as it is the
    Pros.
    
    If you have been doing this you must be one of the biggest cheats ever!
    
    I played with a guy once in a medal and he hit his ball in the bunker,
    he placed his clubs on his bag stand and addressed his ball the bag
    stand collapsed all his clubs went in the sand, a 2 shot penalty for
    grounding a club in a bunker 13 clubs one of the tee he was playing
    28!! he was not happy but it was enforced.
    
    Many people cheat unwittingly, its not cheating really just ignorance
    of the rules.
    
    Joe

    
    	Ya... Can't change ball during a round! I play with a guy once
    	in a while who takes out a 'water' ball when teeing up on a hole
    	with a water hazard. I always remind him 'that's not allowed by
    	the rules'... but it's a very friendly match so what the heck.
    	(He's *real* cheap and doesn't want to loose a good ball). After
    	the water hole, he puts a 'good' ball back in play. 
    
    		Jerry
    

    
    
        >>                                                   a 2 shot
    penalty for
        >>    grounding a club in a bunker 13 clubs one of the tee he was
    playing
        >>    28!! he was not happy but it was enforced.
    
    
            Joe,
    
            Are you saying here that he was penalized 13 times at 2 stokes
            a whack for the same infringement of the rule?? If so, could
            you please explain.
    
            Anyone else have any ideas on this??
    
            Joe

    
    re: one of the biggest cheats
    
        true, but I wouldn't attempt it in a tournament  :)
    
        Actually, I'd prefer to use balata balls everywhere if they didn't
        cut when you look at them crosseyed.  Heck, I practiced putting
        over the winter with balata balls, and even the *ball return*
    	marked up the cover!  Maybe some of the new balls are better.
    
    /jim
    

    He was penalized as his clubs hit the sand there was sand all over
    them,thats the rules.
    
    He tried to plead innocence but his playing partner woul have none of
    it.
    
    
    I think its a great thing to happen, it could only be made better if he
    was leading the medal and it happened on the last hole!!!!
    

    
    
    
    
	According to this rule, I say your friend ogt ripped off. I say
	now, NO PENALTY at all. I listed the base rule just as background.
	Our discussion, I believe, is listed under the exceptions rule.....

	As usual, it is impossible to know ALL the rules. That's why I 
	always carry "the book"!!!

	(reprinted without permission)
	
	Rule 14-4. Ball Lying in or Touching Hazard

	
		Except as provided in the Rules, before making a stroke
		at a ball which lies in or touches a hazard (whether a 
		bunker or a water hazard), the player shall not:

		   a. Test the condition of the hazard or any similar
		      hazard,

		   b. Touch the ground in the hazard or water in the 
		      water hazard with a club or otherwise, or

		   c. Touch or move a loose impediment lying in or
		      touching the hazard.


	   Exceptions:       

		1. Provided nothing is done which constitutes testing the
		   condition of the hazard or improves the lie of the ball,
		   there is no penalty if the player (a) touches the ground
	           in any hazard or water in a water hazard as result of or 
		   to prevent falling (!!!), in moving an obstruction, in
		   measuring or in retrieving a ball under any Rule or 

		   (this is us, I think)!!!
		   (b) places his clubs in a hazard.

		  Penalty for Breach of Rule:

		  Match play - Loss of hole:   Stroke play - Two strokes
		

RE:                     <<< Note 1890.17 by AIMHI::CORRIGAN >>>
                     -< you're right. rules IS rules.... >-

   Yes, but you quoted USGA rules, whereas they were playing in England
I believe and so they'd use R&AG (is that right Royal and Ancient Golf 
assoc.???) rules which might not have that exception.

   I don't think both rules governing bodies use identical rule books.

   fwiw, which might be very little. :-)

Ray

    
    	that could be true, but the rules of either body were intended
    	to be fair. I believe that if it is a penalty, it would be only
    	assesed once for two srokes. 
    
    	When you have more than 14 clubs it costs you 2 strokes per hole
    	for a maximum of 4 strokes (in medal play), not 2 storkes per
    	club......
    
    
    	I would be very interested if someone could quote the R&A rules
    	for us!!!
    
    	Joe
    

    I gotta check the USGA rule book on this one tonight.  A two-stroke
    penalty for each of the 13 clubs (sure they all grounded?) sounds
    pretty stiff to me.
    

    
    
    	read note .17, that IS the rule.....

    Read it. Thanks.  Now I'm prepared for that common occurance of
    dropping the bag into a hazzard, specifically a bunker.
    

    Even without the exception for placing clubs in the hazard, I think
    there is no penalty, since the rule against grouding a club seemingly
    applies only if you are holding the club.  As long as the clubs that
    FELL into the hazard neither moved the ball, or improved the player's
    stance I feel very sure there was no infraction.  Even assuming there
    WAS an infraction, the penalty could be no more than 2 strokes for a
    single "event."  (If you inadvertantly grounded your club, and also
    moved the ball, you'd only be forced to take 2 strokes, right???)

                                   Andy

    
    
    	I believe you are correct Andy.
    
    	that poor sucka' who was hittin' 28!!!
    
    
    	Joe

    If in doubt the thing to do is play and check before signing the card,
    once you sign you got your 28!!!!
    
    If a guy walks in a bunker and drops his club, its a penalty the as its
    demmed tessting the sand as if you dug your toes in and rooted round,
    the Pros settle their stance when at address this is testing but
    allowed.
    
    How about the guy who placed a jumper on the ground to avoid his knees
    getting wet while playing out of a ditch, 2 shot penalty building a
    stance!!!
    
    Tough but these are the rules and they have happend, the guy with the
    28 was so shellshocked he would have signed anything its quite famous
    at our club.
    
    Joe

    
>    	Ya... Can't change ball during a round! I play with a guy once
>    	in a while who takes out a 'water' ball when teeing up on a hole
>    	with a water hazard. I always remind him 'that's not allowed by
>    	the rules'... but it's a very friendly match so what the heck.
>    	(He's *real* cheap and doesn't want to loose a good ball). After
>    	the water hole, he puts a 'good' ball back in play. 
    
    
    	In this scenario there are more details that need to be added.
    Using a 'water ball' is perfectly legal as long as his 'water ball'
    is the same type (brand name, style) as the ball he has played during
    the round. Say he's playing a Titleist DT 90 #1. When he comes to the
    water hole he pulls out a scuffed Titleist DT 90 #2. It's the same
    type of ball only difference is the number of the ball. I believe as
    long as he notifies his opponent that he is hitting a different
    numbered ball before taking a swing this is legal. If it is the same
    number Titleist DT 90 then he doesn't need to say anything. Now if it's 
    a different STYLE ball, ie, Titleist DT 100 #1 then that's a penalty.
    	Anyone feel free to correct me if this is wrong...
    
    Keith

    
Re: Keith

>      I believe as
>    long as he notifies his opponent that he is hitting a different
>    numbered ball before taking a swing this is legal. If it is the same
>    number Titleist DT 90 then he doesn't need to say anything. Now if it's 
>    a different STYLE ball, ie, Titleist DT 100 #1 then that's a penalty.
>    	Anyone feel free to correct me if this is wrong...
    
    I think you are correct. However, that player must complete that hole
with the one he teed off with. He can't switch back to the first ball until
the next tee.

Ray

>             <<< Note 1890.27 by SMAUG::GOVOTSKI "Ray Govotski" >>>
>
>    
>Re: Keith
>
>>      I believe as
>>    long as he notifies his opponent that he is hitting a different
>>    numbered ball before taking a swing this is legal. If it is the same
>>    number Titleist DT 90 then he doesn't need to say anything. Now if it's 
>>    a different STYLE ball, ie, Titleist DT 100 #1 then that's a penalty.
>>    	Anyone feel free to correct me if this is wrong...
>    
>    I think you are correct. However, that player must complete that hole
>with the one he teed off with. He can't switch back to the first ball until
>the next tee.
>
>Ray

    Unless he hits the first one IN the water!  ;-)

                                   Andy

  Good one Andy! :-)

  All this talk about rules in the ryder cup note string leads me to one 
  conclusion.



  Happy Friday Everyone and good golfing to all of us!

  Ray

Gee,
   I'm almost afraid to play this Sunday ! What if I drop my clubs in a hazard
or run out of the same brand and compression of ball. Heck, I rarely have two
balls that are the same in my bag !! Guess I'mn just a big cheater !!! Perhaps
I should quit before the reputation of the game is sullied by my casual disre-
gard for the rules. Old Tom would probably turn over in his grave if he had 
any idea how we deal with "lost balls" in the league I play in. 
Ever play with someone who was more interested in the rules than playing ?
Makes for a real fun round. You would think they would get tired counting the
clubs in your bag after the 3rd or 4th hole but no ! Maybe some have been 
stashed around the course to be picked up as they are needed for those special
shots that come up during a round.

WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE RYDER CUP ???????
About as much as the previous replies

Mad Hacker

    My feeling is that you really should play by the rules.  I can
    understand 'allowances' in friendly matches, but the rules should be
    known and it should be understood when 'allowances' are being made.  Of
    course, knowingly ignoring a rule/penalty is a penalty in itself.
    
    That aside, what rules do you knowingly break?
    
    Mine (in friendly matches... not league, etc.) are smoothing spike
    marks (i hate that stupid rule) and asking my playing opponent what
    club he's hitting.
    
    As far as playing the same ball, I start with two of the same ball
    (usually diff. numbers though) in my pocket.  I play with the same ball
    until, and if, I lose it.  The second ball does not see the light of
    day until I lose the first or need to play a provisional.  If I have to
    dip back into my bag for more, I will get the same type ball.  If I'm
    out of the same type ball (which I'm usually not) I'll hit whatever
    I've got.  So, sue me.
    
    My weekend playing partner, and good friend, would not know a rule book
    if it hit him in the head.  I am convinced that I have seen him break
    most every rule in the book out of ignorance.  Once he knows the rule
    he does not repeat it though.  Do I call him on them?  Nah, just the
    obvious stuff that he knows already.
    
    Read a super article in Golf Digest by Peter Andrews.  He's a Scot and
    talked about the sport, Scotland, rules, etc.  I absolutely loved the
    piece.  Anyone know of anything else he has written?

    
    	I can't believe that we have to play the same type of ball.
    	I believe that's a PGA rule, not USGA, etc...  
    
    	Yes, play the same ball for a full hole but if it's damaged
    	or lost, hit whatever else is in the bag.
    
    	When I was a kid, a friend used to use a new ball for putting.
    	Heck, we were hitting pro-flites and tru-flites and fast-flites
    	and gawd awful acushnets with smiles on 'em.  Gotta at least
    	put with a round one! 
    
    	Tom
    

    
    	Keith...
    
    	I think the rule is 'once a ball has been removed from play,
    	that ball cannot be put back in play... period'. The use of
    	a 'water ball' is not a rule infraction, if, as you stated,
    	the same type of ball is used. This prevents a player from
    	taking out a balata ball for a short par-3 for the spin,
    	and then the next hole taking out a hard cover ball for a
    	long par-5.. or something to that effect.
    
    	Bottom line is.. you can't put a ball back into play during
    	the same round. re- couple back: I understand the 'bending
    	of rules' but in my regular foursome we try to adhear to all
    	of them, just so everyone is 'playing by the same rules'.
    
    	For instance: We *used* to allow moving the ball off a rock
    	in the woods/rough. But.. this led to improved lies discussions,
    	etc. Now we all agree to take a stroke penalty and move it,
    	unplayable lie. You can always hit it if you want to risk a 
    	knick on your club.
    
    		Jerry
    

[from ESPNET SportsZone]

Fred Couples, Curtis Strange added to U.S. Ryder Cup Golf team

Captain Lanny Wadkins today added Fred Couples and Curtis Strange to the
United States Ryder Cup team.

The addition of Couples and Strange was made one day after Brad Faxon and
Jeff Maggert used strong finishes at the PGA Championship in Los Angeles to
earn berths on the team.

Faxon and Maggert moved into the top 10 in the points standings and joined
Corey Pavin, Tom Lehman, David Love III, Loren Roberts, Jay Haas, Phil
Mickelson, Ben Crenshaw and Peter Jacobsen on the team. Faxon, Maggert,
Lehman, Roberts and Mickelson have never played in the Ryder Cup, which the
United States will defend at Oak Hill Country Club in Rochester, New York,
in September.

    
    	Until Fred can play 1 month without his back acting up. This is a
    very bad pick for the US.
    
    Ron

    I think these are pretty good picks.  Freddy had a good showing at the
    Buick and PGA, and plans to play in all the tournaments up to the Ryder
    Cup.  If his back does act up, Lanny Wadkins can replace him before
    the opening ceremonies.  I think Curtis is a good pick because he's a
    proven winner at Oak Hills (the '89 US Open), and he's on a bit of a
    comeback.

    Bill
    

    I stipulate that I know less about golf and its nuances than many, if
    not most, of all who note here.  Moreover, I cannot presume to know
    more about the professional game and players than Lanny Wadkins.
    
    Now, my opinion:  If Fred Couples is physically able to play, then
    he would certainly be on my short list of players who can dominate and
    win.  Even if Freddy is ailing, he is a proven competitor and Ryder Cup
    veteran who can lend MUCH stability to first-time and younger players.
    There's more to a team than individual talent, and Freddy brings more
    than individual talent.  My sense is that if Freddy doesn't think he
    can contribute, then he'll step down of his own accord.  If he agrees
    to play, then regardless of his back, he'll help the team.  Sure, his
    back is a risk, but think of the upside if Freddy is able to play!
    
    I know less about Curtis Strange, but I think no one doubts his
    competitiveness.  And he is a veteran who could very well play through
    some of the younger players by virtue of advice and attitude.  Again, I
    feel Curtis brings stability.

    
    
    I think they have they option of replacing Freddy, if his back is 
    gone, up to a few days before the competiton. This makes him a good
    pick, as a "wild card". If he goes down, then you pick Lee Janzen
    (who should have been taken instead of Curtis).
    
    IMHO

Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 17:20:11 GMT
From: djking@netcom.com (Dan King)
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

U.S.A. Ryder Cup Standings as of 08/13/95
Final Standings
                                      Last 1994
Rank  Name                    Points  Weeks Points
     Norman, Greg...........1185.000        420.000
  1. Pavin, Corey...........1054.167   1    404.167
     Elkington, Steve........917.500        127.500
     Price, Nick.............860.167        827.500
  2. Lehman, Tom.............827.500   2    372.500
     Els, Ernie..............784.167        342.500
  3. Love, Davis III.........770.000   3    120.000
  4. Mickelson, Phil.........639.864   4    329.864
  5. Haas, Jay...............629.000   5    180.000
  6. Maggert, Jeff...........611.893  12    231.893
  7. Roberts, Loren..........601.500   6    436.500
  8. Crenshaw, Ben...........598.286   7    133.286
     Singh, Vijay............591.667        105.000
  9. Jacobsen, Peter.........590.000   8     40.000
     Faldo, Nick.............547.500        150.000
 10. Faxon, Brad.............542.500  14    222.500

 11. Calcavecchia, Mark......529.750   9    129.750
 12. Perry, Kenny............526.000  10    165.000
 13. Gallagher, Jim Jr.......522.333  11     47.333
 14. Hoch, Scott.............452.458  13    199.125
     Frost, David............443.333        208.333
 15. Janzen, Lee.............422.500  14    107.500
 16. Daly, John..............417.500  16    117.500
 27. Estes, Bob..............416.667  25    231.667
 18. Glasson, Bill...........416.310  17    186.310
 19. Simpson, Scott..........412.500  18     72.500
 20. McCumber, Mark..........409.167  19    264.167
 21. Stewart, Payne..........407.667  20     31.667
     Olazabal, Jose Maria....397.500        397.500
 22. Zoeller, Fuzzy..........395.000  21    345.000
 23. Strange, Curtis.........390.167  22    175.167
 24. Duval, David............383.333  23      3.333
 25. Austin, Woody...........343.333  24     00.000
     Montgomerie, Colin......341.250        161.250
 26. O'Meara, Mark...........324.286  44     21.786
 27. Leonard, Justin.........319.000  29     60.000
 28. Stadler, Craig..........309.000  30    150.000
 29. Triplett, Kirt..........304.989  26     92.989
 30. Kite, Tom...............303.250  27    278.250
 31. Brooks, Mark............298.500  28    103.500
 32. Lowery, Steve...........290.667  34    190.000
 33. Sluman, Jeff............290.250  37     91.250
 34. Couples, Fred...........282.500  31    177.500
 35. Lietzke, Bruce..........276.667  32    126.667
 36. Huston, John............275.531  33    175.531
 37. Heinen, Mike............266.667  34     96.667
 37. Tway, Bob...............266.667  34     00.000
 39. Cook, John..............263.500  38    228.500
 40. Funk, Fred..............262.667  39     37.667
     Parnevik, Jesper........257.500        172.500
 41. Bryant, Brad............256.786  40    186.786
 42. Mayfair, Billy..........256.364  41      1.364
 43. Irwin, Hale.............253.500  42    198.500
 44. Clements, Lennie........250.750  43    103.750
     Parry, Craig............242.500         82.500
 45. Weibring, D.A...........234.167  45     74.167
 46. Stricker, Steve.........232.500  46    122.500
 47. Mize, Larry.................395.000  21    345.000
 23. Strangike..........216.364  48    216.364
 49. Morgan, Gil.............212.667  49     61.000
 50. Sauers, Gene............212.500  50     72.500
 51. Gamez, Robert...........203.125  51    113.125
 52. Tryba, Ted..............202.500  52     32.500
 53. Watson, Tom.............200.667  53    144.000
 54. Blake, Jay Don..........200.000  54     70.000
 55. Sutton, Hal.............195.500  55    120.500
 56. Pooley, Don.............195.000  56     40.000
     Ogle, Brett.............190.000         75.000
 57. Fehr, Rick..............188.864  57    143.864
 58. Freeman, Robin..........187.667  58     27.667
 59. Waldorf, Duffy..........181.250  59     61.250
     Rocca, Costantino.......180.000          0.000
 60. Boros, Guy..............179.643  60     59.643
 61. Henninger, Brian........177.500  61    117.500
 62. Henke, Nolan............176.250  62     76.250
 63. Pruitt, Dillard.........175.650  63      5.650
 64. Morse, John.............172.500  64     22.500
 65. McCallister, Blaine.....171.429  65     96.429
 66. Andrade, Billy..........165.000  66    105.000
 67. Lancaster, Neal.........165.000  67     75.000
 67. McGovern, Jim...........165.000  67     75.000
 68. Byrum, Tom..............160.000  68     35.000
 69. Magee, Andrew...........158.333  69     88.333
 70. Stockton, Dave Jr.......155.000  70     75.000
 71. Dougherty, Ed...........150.000  71      0.000
 72. Verplank, Scott.........147.000  72     30.000
 73. Edwards, David..........146.667  73    130.000
     Bottomley, Steven.......140.000          0.000
     Campbell, Michael.......140.000          0.000
     Feherty, David..........136.364        136.364
 74. Wadkins, Bobby..........135.000  74     55.000
     James, Mark.............130.000         90.000
 75. Stankowski, Paul........122.500  75     57.500
 76. Hulbert, Mike...........120.167  76     39.167
 77. Adams, John.............120.000  77     22.500
     Rintoul, Steve..........120.000         45.000
 78. Sullivan, Mike..........120.000  78    120.000
     Langer, Bernhard........117.500         27.500
 79. Jordan, Pete............115.000  79     35.000
 80. Furyk, Jim..............111.000  80     45.000
 81. Chamblee, Brandel.......110.000  81     40.000
 82. Pohl, Dan...............105.000  82     00.000
 83. Pride, Dicky............105.000  83     85.000
 84. Pate, Steve.............103.500  84    103.500
 85. Delsing, Jay............102.500  85     17.500
 86. Kraft, Greg.............101.667  86     81.667
 87. DiMarco, Chris..........100.000  87    100.000
 88. Claar, Brian.............97.500  88     38.500
 89. Jones, Steve.............95.000  89     00.000
 90. Martin, Doug.............93.750  90      3.750
 91. Brisky, Mike.............90.000  91      0.000
 91. Cochran, Russ............90.000  91     90.000
     Forsbrand, Anders........90.000         90.000
 91. Hammond, Donnie..........90.000  91     70.000
 91. Standley, Mike...........90.146.667  73    130.000
     Bottomley, Steven.......140 91     00.000
 96. Green, Ken...............89.643  96      4.643
     Woosnam, Ian.............89.000          9.000
 97. Sindelar, Joey...........87.500  97     32.500
     Waite, Grant.............85.000          0.000
 98. Peoples, David...........82.500  98     32.500
     Keppler, Stephan.........80.000          0.000
 99. Lohr, Bob................80.000  99     30.000
 99. Rymer, Charlie...........80.000  99      0.000
     Barr, Dave...............76.667         76.667
101. Miller, Johnny...........75.000 101     75.000
102. Ogrin, David.............75.000 102     40.000
102. Wilson, John.............75.000 102     55.000
104. Edwards, Joel............72.500 104     32.500
     Ozaki, Joe...............71.000          6.000
105. Carter, Jim..............70.000 105      0.000
106. Dennis, Clark............67.500 106     67.500
106. Gilder, Bob..............67.500 106     32.500
108. Armour, Tommy III........65.000 108     45.000
108. Carnevale, Mark..........65.000 108     65.000
110. Tyner, Tray..............65.000 110      0.000
111. Bradley, Michael.........63.625 111     31.625
112. Dawson, Marco............62.500 112     17.500
113. Day, Glen................61.667 113     61.667
114. Azinger, Paul............60.000 114      0.000
114. Beck, Chip...............60.000 114     40.000
116. Maltbie, Roger...........55.000 116      0.000
116. Thompson, Dicky..........55.000 116      0.000
116. Williamson, Jay..........55.000 116      0.000
116. Clearwater, Keith........52.500 116     52.500
     McNulty, Mark............52.500         52.500
120. Mediate, Rocco...........51.364 120      1.364
121. Britton, Bill............50.000 121      0.000
121. Mudd, Jodie..............50.000 121      0.000
123. Byrum, Curt..............45.000 123     45.000
124. Gibson, Kelly............43.125 124     23.125
125. Aubrey, Emlyn............40.000 125     00.000
125. Fiori, Ed................40.000 125     40.000
125. Humenik, Ed..............40.000 125     40.000
125. Nicklaus, Jack...........40.000 125      0.000
     Torrance, Sam............40.000         40.000
129. Kamm, Brian..............39.125 129     33.125
130. Donald, Mike.............37.500 130     37.500
     Mizumaki, Toshinori......37.500         37.500
131. Purzer, Tom..............35.833 131     35.833
132. Wadkins, Lanny...........35.000 132      0.000
133. Thorpe, Jim..............34.697 133     34.697
134. Dodds, Trevor............32.500 134     32.500
135. Twitty, Howard...........32.500 135     12.500
136. Burns, Bob...............30.650 136     30.650
137. Gardner, Buddy...........30.000 137     30.000
137. Gotsche, Steve...........30.000 137     30.000
137. Lohr, Bob................30.000 137     30.000
137. Paulsen, Dennis..........30.000 137     30.000
141. Hallberg, Gary...........28.750 141     28.750
142. Beirsdorf, Russell.......27.500 142     27.500
143. Browne, Olin.............25.000 143     25.000
     Grady, Wayne.............25.000         25.000
144. Goydos, lty, Ma.........23.750 144     23.750
145. Clampett, Bobby..........22.500 145     22.500
146. Levi, Wayne..............21.268 146     21.268
     Allem, Fulton............20.000         20.000
147. Downes, Billy............20.000 147     20.000
147. Forsman, Dan.............20.000 147      0.000
147. Taylor, Harry............20.000 147      0.000
147. Walcher, Rocky...........20.000 147      0.000
151. Fleisher, Bruce..........18.000 151      3.000
     Nobilo, Frank............17.917         11.250
152. Hart, Dudley.............17.500 152     17.500
153. Tewell, Doug.............16.833 153     16.833
154. Kaye, Jonathan...........15.000 154      0.000
154. Lye, Mark................15.000 154     15.000
156. Brodie, Steve............12.500 156     12.500
157. Mast, Dick...............12.500 157     12.500
     Ballesteros, Seve........12.000          0.000
158. Fergus, Keith............12.000 158      0.000
159. Black, Ronnie............11.000 159      5.000
159. Reid, Mike...............11.000 159      5.000
     Ishii, David.............10.000          5.000
161. Utley, Stan..............10.000 161     10.000
162. Murphy, Sean..............7.500 162      7.500
162. Smith, Mike...............7.500 162      7.500
164. Mahaffey, John............6.000 164      0.000
     Baker-Finch, Ian..........5.000          5.000
165. Floyd, Ray................5.000 165      5.000
     Okuda, Seiki..............5.000          5.000
     Woodland, Jeff............5.000          5.000
166. Anderson, J.C.............4.286 166      4.286
167. Gump, Scott...............3.333 167      0.000
167. Silveria, Larry...........3.333 167      3.333
167. Wurtz, Mark...............3.333 167      3.333
     Lyle, Sandy...............3.000          3.000
170. Quinn, Fran...............2.143 170      2.143
171. Briggs, Danny.............2.000 171      0.000
171. Wiebe, Mark...............2.000 171      0.000
173. Horgan, P.H. III..........1.667 173      1.667
173. Nelson, Larry.............1.667 173      1.667
175. Simpson, Tim................625 175       .625

Dan King
djking@netcom.com
dking@nas.nasa.gov

Profiles of U.S. Ryder Cup players


(c) 1995 Copyright The News and Observer Publishing Co.
(c) 1995 Reuter Information Service

PACIFIC PALISADES, Calif (Aug 14, 1995 - 12:54 EDT) - Brief profiles of the
members of the 1995 U.S. Ryder Cup team, completed Monday with the
selection of Curtis Strange and Fred Couples by U.S. Captain Lanny Wadkins.

Curtis Strange, age 40 - Member of '83, '85, '87 and '89 teams compiling a
6-9-2 record ... two-time U.S. Open champion, won his second in a row in
1989 at Oak Hill, venue for the Ryder Cup matches ... has won 17 U.S. Tour
events.

Fred Couples, 35 - Member of last three teams compiling 3-6-3 record ...
1992 Masters champion ... recently plagued by back injuries ... named U.S.
Tour Player of the Year in both '91 and '92 ... has won three successive
World Cup of Golf titles partnering Davis Love.

Corey Pavin, 35 - Member of last two teams, winning three points in 1993
... reigning U.S. Open champion ... ... winner of 1993 World Matchplay
Championship ... has won five of seven playoffs in tour events.

Tom Lehman, 36 - Ryder Cup rookie ... veteran of several mini-tours ... won
1994 Memorial Tournament, second in Masters ... member of victorious U.S.
side in inaugural 1994 Presidents Cup.

Davis Love, 31 - Member of 1993 team, winning crucial singles match on last
day ... second in this year's Masters and fourth in U.S. Open ... son of
famous teaching professional.

Phil Mickelson, 25 - Cup rookie ... has won five tournaments since turning
pro in 1992, including this year's Northern Telecom Open ... 1990 U.S.
Amateur champion ... former top college player.

Jay Haas, 41 - Member of 1983 team, winning 2 1/2 points ... winner of nine
Tour events ... 3-0 in Tour playoffs ... nephew of Masters champion Bob
Goalby.

Jeff Maggert, 31 - Cup rookie ... shot 69 in final round of PGA
Championship to make team ... winner of one tour event, 1993 Walt Disney
Classic ... one victory each on Asian and Australasian tours.

Loren Roberts, 40 - Cup rookie ... won last two Bay Hill Classics ... lost
1994 U.S. Open 20-hole playoff ... fifth in '94 Masters.

Ben Crenshaw, 43 - Member of '81, '83 and '87 teams ... won second Masters
this year ... 19 U.S. Tour victories ... considered one of game's best
putters.

Peter Jacobsen, 41 - Member of 1985 team, winning one point in three
matches ... won two consecutive tournaments early this year ... career
plagued by injuries.

Brad Faxon, 34 - Cup rookie ... shot major championship record-tying 63 in
PGA Championship, finishing fifth, to make team ... four U.S. tour
victories ... member of 1983 Walker Cup team.

    
    My vote would have been for Fuzzy Zoeller instaed of Curtis Strange.
    Fuzzy has been playing excellent golf lately, and is almost impossible
    to beat in match play. Lanny screwed up, IMHO.
    
    		the Greyhawk

    
    
    What's the TV coverage for the challenge this week?
    
    I'll have to set the VCR Plus for the weekday matches if televised.
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    ML

Ryder Cup Preview Show
        
        Sunday, Sept, 16             NBC: 1:30 P.M. - 2:30 P.M. EDT
                                     3:00 P.M. - 4:00 P.M. PDT
        
	First Day Matches, 
        Friday, Sept. 22
                                     USA: 8:00 A.M. - 6:00 P.M. EDT
        Second Day Matches, 
        Saturday, Sept, 23
                                     NBC: 8:00 A.M. - 12:30 P.M. EDT
                                     NBC: 4:00 P.M. - 6:00 P.M. EDT
        Third Day Matches, 
        Sunday, Sept. 24
                                     NBC: 9:00 A.M. - 3:30 P.M. EDT

    
    	Anyone have the url for NBC ??
    
    	USA Today says that they'll have a page for the cup and it will
    	be almost live.
    
    	Thanks - Tom
    

http://www.nbc.com/sports/

    
    	thanks!
    

    
    	http://www.golf.com/tour/pgatour/ryder/
    
    

    
    Just yesterday I found out that I am going to the Ryder Cup
    matches on Sunday. Yea.  A friend of mine's cousin lives in
    Rochester and owns a sports bar,  he was able to score us 
    several tickets.  I went to college in Rochester (RIT) and
    have been to Oak Hill once,  but I really do not remember 
    much of the course.  Does anyone have any advice of good
    holes to watch or just general watching techniques for the
    matches.  With only 6 to 12 groups (depending on the format)
    it must be different than trying to watch a regular PGA event
    with every hole having a group on it.  I have been to several 
    PGA events so I some what understand what it takes to move 
    around and try to get views.  But I have never been to a "major"
    event like this with "huge" crowds.
    
    Does anyone know if they will sell or even allow those "periscope"
    type devices?  I was considering toting around a small 2ft alum.
    step stool(5 lbs max),  but again will I get grief for this at
    a "major".(ie they wont let me bring it in)  It is no worse that
    a folding chair but rules may be rules.  Would rather not be 
    standing at the gate with it.
    
    Crowds this morning(USA TV) looked VERY light,  but I would expect 
    that with 8:00 tee times and a weekday,  I sure things will pick 
    up this afternoon.
    
    Any info would be most appreciated.
    
    Mike Smith    AD::SMITH   dtn 225-7237

    morning foursomes....
    
    Pavin/Lehman 1up after 10 holes over Faldo/Montgomerie	
    Haas/Couples 4down after 9 vs. Torrance/Rocca
    Love/Maggert 4up after 8 over Clark/James
    Crenshaw/Strange level with Langer/Johannson after 7....
    
    Ray....

    
    	Today's USA Today has a Cup insert - very nice.  Describes
    	every hole like a good yardage book you usually have to buy
    	when you play a top course.
    
    	So... for .50, you get a course guide!
    
    	Enjoy, should be a great time!
    	Tom
    

latest....
        
    Pavin/Lehman level after 13 Faldo/Montgomerie	
    Haas/Couples 4down after 12 vs. Torrance/Rocca
    Love/Maggert 5up after 11 over Clark/James
    Crenshaw/Strange 2down Langer/Johannson after 10....
    
    it's raining as well which should help Europe....
    
    COME ON EUROPE!!!!
    
    Ray....

    
    	Faldo/Montgomerie are making a come back. They lost the first
    3 holes. To be 3 down after 3.
    
    Ron

    RE:.50
    
    I'll answer a few of my own questions:
    
    NO Ladders/Step Ladders/Chairs of any sort
    No Cameras
    No Video
    No Periscopes
    
    Small foldable stools/pedistals are OK
    Binoculars are OK.
    
    I'll have to look into the USA Today, thanks for the tip.
    
    Mike

    As of 12:45
        
    Pavin/Lehman defeated Faldo/Montgomerie, 1-up
    Torrance/Rocca def Haas/Couples, 3 and 2
    Love/Maggert 5up def. Clark/James, 4 and 3
    Crenshaw/Strange 1 down to Langer/Johannson after 16

    Afternoon pairings:

    David Gilford and Seve Ballesteros (Europe) vs. Brad Faxon and Peter
    Jacobsen (U.S.)
    
    Sam Torrance and Costantino Rocca (Europe) vs. Jeff Maggert and Loren
    Roberts (U.S.)

    Nick Faldo and Colin Montgomerie (Europe) vs. Davis Love III and Fred
    Couples

    Bernhard Langer and Per-Ulrik Johansson (Europe) vs. Corey Pavin and
    PhilMickelson (U.S.)		   

    
    	As of 13:00, Crenshaw/Strange were even going in 18 against
    Langer/Johannson. Crenshaw put his tee shot in the right ruff.
    Johannson pull hooked his tee shot, way left. Had to leave and
    get back to work.
    
    Ron

    As of 2:14
        
    Langer/Johannson def Crenshaw/Strange 1-up

    Afternoon matches:

        Brad Faxon/Peter Jacobsen (U.S) lead David Gilford/Seve Ballesteros
	(Europe) 1-up through four holes.

	Loren Roberts/Jeff Maggert (U.S) lead Sam Torrance/Costantino Rocca
	(Europe) 1-up through three holes.

	Fred Couples/Davis Love III (U.S) lead Nick Faldo/Colin Montgomerie
	(Europe) 1-up through two holes

	Bernhard Langer/Per-Ulrik Johansson (Europe) vs. Phil Mickelson/Corey
	Pavin (U.S) Has not started.

    
    
     The Ryder Cup once again proved that there is little to choose between
    the top players on the Euro and US tours. Fantastic golf played over
    the 3 days, great shots, great putts, 2 holes-in-one and great tension
    right till the end.
    
     The European team proved the critics wrong. Written off by most as
    having little or no chance, the team pulled together to produce one of
    the best team perfomances seen in recent years. Helped by a few missed
    putts on 18 (Strange and Faxon in particular), and by some exceptional
    golf, the European team regained the Ryder Cup.
    
     I can't recall ever seeing 2 holes-in-one in 1 competition before,
    never mind the holed bunker shots, chip ins from off the green and huge
    putts dropping.
    
     For me, the best shot of the week was Faldo's 3rd to 18 on the final
    day. After a bad drive into trouble, he could only knock the ball onto
    the fairway leaving 100 yards or so to the flag. Knowing he had to win
    his match to give his team a chance, he put his 3rd shot to 4 feet and
    holed the putt. Sevvy also played some pretty amazing shots on the
    final day against Lehman. Sevvy didn't hit a fairway on the front 9 but
    was still level at the turn. Lehman was hitting every green in
    regulation and must of wondered what Sevvy would do next.
    
    Danny.

    My highlight of the weekend was the European team winning after the
    Americans had thier victory photographs taken on the Saturday night
    when 9-7 up.
    
    
    CHARLEY