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Conference 7.286::golf

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Created:Tue Feb 15 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2129
Total number of notes:21499

1791.0. "Help Building Graphite Irons Needed..." by MSBCS::VARLEY () Wed Oct 13 1993 14:26

    I've done som club work in the past - primarily reshafting,
    refinishing, etc. etc. through-bore persimmon woods. I'm considering
    building a set of graphite irons, and I could use some help from those
    of you who have experience. I'll get the components from Golfsmith or
    Maltby - I have the catalogs.
    
    Questions:
    
    o Do you cut the shafts from the butt, or from the tip ? Since most
    shafts are parallel tips, I'd guess from the tip...
    
    o Do you have to add any weight ? Since graphite shafts produce a
    lighter overall weight and lighter swingweight, I'd guess you simply
    trim 'em to length, epoxy the shaft to the head and install a standard
    size grip (if you have "standard sized hands...).
    
     I'm playing around with Torque (I'll probably go with a lower torque
    shaft) and Flex Point (I'll probably opt for Mid to High - I hit it
    high now, so I'd like to hit it a bit lower).
    
     Any comments or suggestions ?
    
    __Jack
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1791.1NIODEV::POWISWed Oct 13 1993 15:4713
Jack,

	I think I remember reading somewhere (the Golfworks catalog?)
	that graphite shafts are always trimmed from the butt end. Apparently
	trimming the tip has an ill effect on the flex or kick point or
	something. Also, from what I've read, your choices of a mid or high
	kick point and a low torque shaft would seem correct, as your other
	writings in this conference would indicate that you're a low-to-mid
	'capper...

	Also, check out 1144.10, an article on club building from the USENET.

Steve
1791.2TOLKIN::HOGANWed Oct 13 1993 15:5223
    
    Jack,
    
    I have built a couple but am by no means an expert.
    
    The shaft should come pre-tipped depending on the flex so all you
    should have to do is trim the but for the proper length. Be sure
    to wrap some tape around the shaft were you are going to cut it to
    avoid the shaft from splittering. 
    
    I have found adding weight, if necessary, is a bit diffecult. The
    inside demension of a grafit shaft is very small so when you add lead
    down the shaft it is tough to follow it with a cork to seat all the way
    to the bottom.
    
    Removing the shaft if ever you choose to is an art. The melting point
    of the appoxy used to hold the shaft together and the melting point of
    the apoxy used to hold the head on is a difference of 3 degrees so it
    is almost impossible to remove the head with a torch. You can try
    boiling the head or use a heat gun.
    
    Pete
    hold the grafit together and the melting  
1791.3converting to graphiteASDG::TREMBLAYWed Oct 13 1993 16:0735
    	Jack,
    	   I've done a little clubmaking and repair, mostly my own clubs
    	just for fun and experience.  I reshafted my 3 and 5 woods with
    	Aldila HM-40's a few years back.  The 3 wood is a Taylor Made Tour
    	Spoon and the 5 is an old McGregor Tourney persimmon.  The shafts
    	(I got them from Golfworks/Maltby) came with tipping instructions.
    	For the metal head, they said to tip the shaft 1 inch and cut the
    	butt to length.  For the wood head (bore thru) leave the tip and
    	trim the butt to length.  The swingweight dropped considerably on
    	clubs.  I used lead tape on the metal to bring the swingweight up.
    	Since I planned to refinish the wood, I took the sole plate off and
    	added lead weight inside.  I haven't done any graphite shafts on
    	irons, but I plan to make a set soon.  Many catalogs will specify
    	heads that are made for graphite since you need a heavier head to
    	get an equivalent swingweight with a lighter shaft.  Some companies
    	are now making graphite shafts that match the overall weight of
    	steel, but have the softer feel of graphite.  I also know that lead
    	weighting the tip of graphite shafts is not recommended.  I'm not
    	sure why.  The bottom line would be to get the heavier heads or use
    	lead tape on the head to adjust the swingweight.
    	   Concerning your driver (from the previous note), 1/2 inch of
    	club length is about equal to 3 points on the swingweight scale.
    	By shortening the club 1 inch and making no other adjustments, you
    	lightened the swingweight by about 6 points.  Being all graphite to
    	start with, it must feel like you're swinging a toothpick.  I've 
    	seen inserts to lengthen steel shafts but I'm not sure if they make
    	them for graphite (the inside diameter is much smaller).  I have
    	heard about using the tip of an old graphite shaft epoxied into the
    	butt of the shaft, then built up with tape before regripping.
    	   Good luck and I'm sure you'll let us know how they come out.
    
    						John
    
    	P.S. Be careful taking the paint off the tip of the shafts.  You
    		can really hurt them if you start cutting into the fibers.
1791.4MSBCS::VARLEYWed Oct 13 1993 16:3622
    Thanks for the help, guys! Re - the Yonex I butchered, I just gave it
    to a Professional repair guy. Cost is nominal, and I couldn't afford to
    screw around, or be without it. As DeVicenzo said, "I am such a
    stupid..."
    
    As far as the graphite irons go, I'll either use the heads that are
    "weighted for graphite shafts," or just assemble 'em and live with the
    lighter swingweight. I understand that a set of conventional graphite
    shaft irons might be around C-8, give or take a bit, so apparently
    manufacturers don't always weight 'em up to feel like steel shafted
    clubs. Seems to me that if you add weight to graphite to get it to,
    say, D-3, you've probably increased the overall weight to nearly the
    same as a steel shafted club. Hence, if torque, flex and bend point are
    the same with the graphite I choose as with steel, where's the extra
    distance come from ? It may be that because swingweight can be changed
    with such a small amount of weight, I could go up to D-3 without
    significantly adding to the overall weight. Swingweight after all, is
    just a measurement of the distribution of the weight between shaft and
    clubhead, that translates to "feel."
    
    __Jack
    
1791.5bevel the hoselASDG::TREMBLAYThu Oct 28 1993 19:157
    Jack,
       One more note about assembling graphite shafts.  You'll need an 18
    or 20 degree reamer to bevel the inside edge of the hosel about 1/8 of
    inch down.  This creates a cushion where the shaft and hosel meet and
    helps keep the edge of the hosel from wearing into the graphite when
    the shaft is stressed.  
    					JT