Conference 7.286::golf

    The torque rating on the M29 wood shaft is in fact 4.8 degrees. I'm 
    afraid your friend was right. The comparison to the Aldila shaft would 
    be a Low-Torque (5.0 degrees).
    
    Get a refund. Maybe thats why your hitting it sideways. It's best 
    designed for the player with a slower clubhead speed. 
    
    Ken

    Thanks .1
    
    I assume by your reference to "wood" shaft is that it is behaving more
    like wood than boron/graphite.  
    
    I don't understand your second sentence "Aldila shaft would be a
    Low-Torque (5.0 degrees)".  I thought the lower the number the better
    to a point and depending on clubhead speed, ability, etc. 
    IE. Torque rating - Aldila HM40 2.0 deg. and Titanium at 0 degrees.
    
    I certainly agree that I will have to get some kind of workable
    solution as I can't hit this one very well.
    
    Signing somewhat relieved that it's not my swing.... Jim

re:                    <<< Note 1534.2 by CGOOA::DURNIN >>>
                           -< Clarification Please >-

    Thanks .1
    
    I assume by your reference to "wood" shaft is that it is behaving more
    like wood than boron/graphite.  

>>> the writer was offering you the specification for a shaft that is
>>> intended for use on a wood as opposed to an iron.
    
    I don't understand your second sentence "Aldila shaft would be a
    Low-Torque (5.0 degrees)".  I thought the lower the number the better
    to a point and depending on clubhead speed, ability, etc. 
    IE. Torque rating - Aldila HM40 2.0 deg. and Titanium at 0 degrees.

>>>  The equivalent shaft from Aldila would be their Low-Torque model.
>>>  Torque is measured by clamping one end of the shaft, attaching an
>>>  arm of a given length to the other end, and hanging a given weight
>>>  from that arm.  The angular deflection is the torque rating.
>>>  Therefore, the LOWER the number, the more TORSIONAL STIFFNESS the
>>>  shaft exhibits.

    Hi,
    
    I should have asked this earlier but does Grafalloy make a
    boron/graphite shaft for woods that has a low torque rating like the
    Aldila HM40.  If so, could someone provide me with the model number,
    torque, weight and kickpoint.
    
    What other manufacturers make high quality shafts or manufacturers that
    you would recommend.  How are Kunan's shafts?
    
    Thanks for your help,  Jim

    
    
    
    
    $50 Aldila HM40,		Torq.= 2.8	mid bend pt.	 [95-99gms]
    
    	Yes, they do:
    
    $35	Grafalloy M54, 		Torq.= 3.3 	high bend pt,	 [80-85gms]
    
    $49	Grafalloy PRO M66, 	Torq.= 2.4 	mid/high bend pt,[90-95gms]
    	
    $52	Grafalloy PRO M66 NITRO Torq.= 2.2	mid/high bend pt,[90gms]
    
    $75	Grafalloy VHM90,	Torq.= 1.9	mid bend pt, 	 [70-74gms]
    
    T_C

    I have no specifics on the Kunan, but I have used a Bertha clone with a
    Kunan shaft (Stiff) but I did not pay attention to the torque etc.  I
    thought it played well but did not buy the wood because I did not think
    it gave me a significant advantage over my Tour Gold Taylor I use now.
    
    The folks at the shop spoke highly of the Kunan shaft, but this may
    have been a salesman talking.
    
    SCD

    I have always been a great fan of Kunnan graphite shafts.  I currently
    am pushing the new K2 series, with it's reasonably low torque factor
    for the price.

    Hi .7
    
    Could you plse spend a minute and provide me with a little more info on
    the Kunan K2 series shafts.  Info which would be helpful would be Cost,
    torque rating, weight, kickpoint.
    
    ....Thanks in Advance....JD 

Hi T_C or Anyone else,
    
I found that some excellent information was provided in a previous reply
on the Grafalloy shafts that are available and their specs..

The clubmaker where I am getting my M29 shaft replaced has ordered some 
Grafalloy M79 shafts.  Do you have the spec's on this shaft or do I have the 
wrong model number.

    Thanks to you fellow noters I am going to correct this problem as
    stated in the original note.  I just don't want to make the same
    mistake twice.
    
Thanks very much for your help,

Jim Durnin - Calgary, Ab., Can.

    This is from memory, so...
    
    Torque factor... 2.8
    Price... appx... $30.00
    Kickpoint mid-low
    color... nice black/silver fade
    
    Rick

    Thanks .10,
    
    This is the Kunan K2 series information.  Do you or anyone else have
    any information on the Grafalloy M79.  I spoke with the clubmaker and
    he now has the shafts in stock but I can't get the spec.s on the shaft.
    
    Bye for Now....JD

    Here's the shaft info from Grafalloy. Hope it helps.
    
    Woods:
    M29              Torque 4.8, Mid Flex Point, Boron Tip
    Senior Classic   Torque 3.8, Mid Flex, No Boron Tip
    M54              Torque 3.3, High Flex, Boron Tip
    Pro M66          Torque 2.4, Mid to High Flex, Boron Tip
    Pro M66 Nitro    Torque 2.2, Mid to High Flex, Boron Tip
    VHM 90           Torque 1.9, Mid Flex, No Boron Tip
    
    Grafalloy recommends as follows:
    
    Pro's & Top Amatuers with clubhead speed 70-85:
    VHM90 for fast swing tempo R flex
    Pro M66 for slow swing tempo R flex
    
    Above average Golfers with clubhead speed 70-85
    M54 for slow and fast swing tempo R flex
    
    Pro's and Top Amatuers with clubhead speed 85-100
    VHM90 for fast swing speed S flex
    Pro M66 Nitro for slow swing speed
    
    Above average golfers with clubhead speed 85-100
    M54 for fast swing speed S flex
    Pro 66 Nitro for slow swing speed
    
    Pro's and top amatuers with clubhead speed 100-115
    VHM90 for fast swing speed S flex
    Pro M66 for slow swing speed S flex
    
    Above average golfers with clubhead speed 100-115
    M54 for slow and fast swing speed S flex
    
    Anything over clubhead speeds 115+
    VHM90 X flex
    Pro M66 X flex
    M54 X flex
    
    I can't find anything on the M79. It could a confusion with the M29
    which is the shaft for average golfers and a higher torque rating.
    
    Good Luck and be sure to check with your clubmaker carefully. Don't get
    ripped off. My info comes directly from the factory. I do a lot of
    business with Grafalloy and am sure of the info posted here.
    
    Ken
    
    
    
    
    

Hi,

Thanks to all you noters for your help as I think I'm there.

I spoke with Grafalloy (1-800-727-3241) and got the specifics on the 
M79 shaft.  Here is the info.

It is a 1991 model shaft and was last year their top of the line...
from a torque perspective.

Now it is discontinued and can be bought cheaply being replaced by the 
Pro M66 and VHM 90.

Specifications are:

Torque     2.5 for Woods and 1.8 for irons
Kickpt     mid
weight     approx. 95 grams  (she didn't have specifics here)
material   Full Length, Full ply Boron graphite with High Modulus material 
flex       comes in R,S,X

I tried to get info on swing speed per flex but couldn't pin it down
as Ken did in .12.

The best I could do is that it "starts" for golfers in the 91-100 Mph
range.  She then went on to explain that swing type/tempo has a lot
to do with the flex.  eg. someone with 97 mph swing with fast tempo 1-2
would want an S flex,  someone with 97 mph with slow tempo 1-2-3 could 
use an R flex and get a bit more distance.

Looking forward to more fairways and slightly more distance,

Jim Durnin
    
    

I'm currently trying out a 9 Degree loft custom driver with the Kunnan K2 shaft
and a Grey something or other head, greyhound be thinks.  I've noticed that the
shaft has some markings to indicate +90 MPH and 101 Grms.  Anyway my thoughts on
the club are mixed.  Other graphite shaft and heads I've hit are very sweet
no matter where you hit the ball in relation to the head ie mis-hits etc.  When
I hit this club it feels like I'm hitting a 150 compression ball ie hard as
a rock, but with favorable results ie straight.  The others I pay severely when
hitting of the toe.  Is this "rock" feel from the shaft being a heavier weight
or is it what I feel to be most likely the graphite greyhound head?  I'll more
than likely purchase it as I'm hitting the ball about 20 yrds more and with out
and depreciation in control over my standard metal wood/shaft.

Regards Kevin,

Ps. it's a beautiful shaft!
                                  

    Hi .14,
    
    The Kunan K2 shaft has a relatively low torque rating therefore it
    doesn't twist as much as other shafts.
    
    The hard feel could be the boron or High Modulus material in the shaft
    which is there to reduce torque and I find produces this feel.
    
    Regards,
    
    JD