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Conference 7.286::golf

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Created:Tue Feb 15 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2129
Total number of notes:21499

949.0. "Recent Decisions...?" by KAOFS::C_HENRY () Fri May 18 1990 18:06

    Excuse me if I'm a bit late on this one folks but....
    
    I read something the other day in the Canadian golf magazine ("Score"
     if you are interested) about something i was not aware of....
    
    Number one is that the USGA has made the extended shaft putter legal.
    
    Number two is that the USGA and Karsten Solheim have come to agreement
    on the Ping Eye 2 's. The results of this are that the clubs will
    remain legal and Ping will retool to allow for making the clubs within
    spec.
    
    R&A StAndrews has yet to make a decision but some terms are expected...
    
    RCGA (Royal Canadian Golf Assoc) will follow USGA and so on...
    
    Correct me if I'm wrong here but I thought it may be of intrest.
    
    
    great white north golf fanatic
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949.1MSEE::KELLEYCustom fit clubs/club repairsMon May 21 1990 12:325
    
    	Hey Great White...
    
    	You are right you were a little late, this info was posted in here
    	a while back (maybe a couple of months back)... ;-)
949.2I have a question FRAGLE::STUARTI {heart} my Dodge DakotaWed May 23 1990 16:3511
    
    maybe this was dicussed also but I don't remember .....
    
    What is the ruling if your near a hazard/obstacle where your
    allowed 2 club lengths ??  Do you pull out your extended shaft
    putter and drop in the middle of the fairway ??!!
    
    inquiring minds want to know
    
    ace
    
949.3KEGGER::WARFIELDGone GolfingWed May 23 1990 17:1511
>    What is the ruling if your near a hazard/obstacle where your
>    allowed 2 club lengths ??  Do you pull out your extended shaft
>    putter and drop in the middle of the fairway ??!!

	I don't believe that the USGA has issued a ruling on this, but
	I remembering reading that they were concerned.  My understanding
	is that the pro's are o[perating under either a "gentleman's"
	agreement or a local rule not to use long putters when taking
	relief.

	Larry
949.4ANY old club will do!!!FINALY::SCHNEIHCHal Schneider-Something's FishyWed May 23 1990 22:4610
    In the 1989 Decisions on the Rules of Golf this question was answered. 
    ANY legal club may be used when measuring two club lengths for a drop. 
    It went even further to say that if your partner had a long putter but
    you didn't, that you COULD borrow his putter to measure the two
    lengths.
    
    Now, what about my 18 ft. ball retriever????
    
    
    Hal
949.5It really shouldn't matterSA1794::WELLSPEAKWaiting for you to come alongThu May 24 1990 12:308
	I don't see the reason why you couldn't use the LONGEST legal club in 
your bag.  In any event, you'ld be taking a stroke penalty and by the rules, 
cannot move the ball closer to the hole.  In the case of a non-penalized drop
or situation where a player gets releif, you don't get 2 club lengths, but 
instead must take releif at the nearest point available, that is no closer to 
the hole.  

Beak
949.6PUTTER::WARFIELDGone GolfingThu May 24 1990 16:1915
Beak,

>In the case of a non-penalized drop or situation where a player gets releif,
>you don't get 2 club lengths, but instead must take releif at the nearest
point >available, that is no closer to the hole. 

To pick a nit you get one club length from your nearest point of relief.

Maybe you should have to announce in advance which club you will use to
measure before the round.  That way it cuts both ways.  After all if you move
an impediment within a club length and the ball moves it is a penalty.  (It
happened once to Nicklaus, he measured with his putter.  If he had measured
with his driver it would have been a stroke penalty.)

Larry
949.7Thanks for the correctionSA1794::WELLSPEAKWaiting for you to come alongThu May 24 1990 17:427
Larry,
	Right you are.  It is actually one club length from the nearest point 
of releif.  But also, it may be, that the nearest point of releif, will make 
the shot more difficult, so you may want to play the ball as it lies without 
taking releif.

Beak
949.8better golf thru knowledge of the rules!PHASER::WARFIELDGone GolfingThu May 24 1990 22:069
Beak,

I had to evaluate that possibility  (of poor relief v. a known bad lie on a
gravel cart path).  I choose to take the drop and luckily the ball kept
running down the hill when I dropped it.  The spot where I placed it was ok, 
but some of the places it could have rolled to were almost as bad as the cart
path.

Larry
949.9Relief RuleASDS::CROCITTOFri May 25 1990 12:067
    In order to take relief use must use the club you are going to play the
    shot with.  So if you where 150 yards away from the green and you needed
    relief. You must first decide what club you are going to hit and then
    take a one club drop.  Failure to do so in Match play you lose that hole,
    Stroke play two stroke.
    
    Peter
949.10driver from 150?CHRLIE::HUSTONFri May 25 1990 12:568
     
    re .9
    
    Are you sure about this? I seem to recall watching on TV and they
    always seem to use the driver for the relief.
    
    --Bob
    
949.11It does NOT have to be the club you are going to useMSEE::KELLEYCustom club fitting/club repairsFri May 25 1990 14:375
    RE: .9 & .10
    
    You do NOT need to use the club that you are going to make the stroke
    will to measure your club or two club length relief...
    
949.12I have never asked which club to use...INDEV3::GSMITHI need two of everythingFri May 25 1990 16:377
    
    rules.. rules.. rules ....
    
    Do you ..... or don't you ??
    
    	Smitty
    
949.13I agree with GeneSA1794::WELLSPEAKWaiting for you to come alongTue May 29 1990 12:526
	You may use any legal club in your bag, to measure the distance which 
you can take as releif.  Most Pros use their driver to get this distance.  But
it is entirely up to the individule.  Their is no rule, at least that I can 
find, that states otherwise.

Beak
949.14PUTTER::WARFIELDGone GolfingTue May 29 1990 16:206
	However I like the idea of modifying the rule so that you have to
	measure with the club you plan to use.  That would sure eliminate
	the long putter!

	Larry
949.15may already be a rule57248::BLAISDELLInsert remarkable phrase hereTue May 29 1990 17:009
    
       After watching a few Senior events in the past year, whenever
    a player that has a long putter in his bag (ie. Moody) had to take
    two clublengths and drop, he always pulled out the driver to measure.
    Either they are doing it out of some sort of courtesy or there is
    a rule out there prohibiting the long putters from being used as
    a measuring stick.  
    
    -rick
949.16My opinionSA1794::WELLSPEAKWaiting for you to come alongWed May 30 1990 16:318
	By modifying the rule to force you to use the club that you are going 
to hit to measure the distance for which you can take releif, makes it easier 
for someone who gets into this situation, further from the green.  Why should 
a player get further releif, depending on how close to or far from the hole he 
is?  I think it should be uniform, and the rule left as is.  But I do agree 
that the use of this extra long putter, for this purpose, not be allowed.

Beak
949.17PUTTER::WARFIELDGone GolfingWed May 30 1990 21:2310
>I think it should be uniform, and the rule left as is.  But I do agree 
>that the use of this extra long putter, for this purpose, not be allowed.

	The current rule is hardly uniform.  You pick the club.  If it's for
	measuring relief you generally pick your longest club.  If it's for
	determining if you should be penalized you pick your shortest.  If
	you truly want uniform they should pass out yard sticks on the first
	tee.

	Larry
949.18ClarificationSA1794::WELLSPEAKWaiting for you to come alongThu May 31 1990 12:078
	Larry, what I mean by uniform, is uniform from wherever you take 
releif.  That means if your taking a drop, 300 yards from the green or 25 
yards from the green.  I don't mean uniform for each player.  You're right 
when you say the only way to do that, is specify the exact distance, like a 
yard.  But today, they all use their drivers, which are probably no more than 
a 2 inch difference from one pro to the next.

Beak
949.19Sometimes short is betterCURIE::BBARRYCoolidge,Klein,PeeteThu May 31 1990 15:5811
	Occasionally, you may want to use the shortest club in the bag for 
	drops.  I remeber a LPGA tournament, the player needed relief from the 
	cart path.  There was a slope on the side were she had to take 
	relief with a lot of debris about 6 ft down.  If she used her driver 
	then the debris would have been within two clubs.  She used her putter,
	dropped twice with the ball rolling down to the debris both times, then
	carefully placed the ball at the point of impact.  


	Brian
949.20doesn't work for meFRAGLE::STUARTI {heart} my Dodge DakotaMon Jun 04 1990 18:1510
    
    The problem I would have with hitting the shot with the club you
    measured with is.... after you drop you may find that due to the
    lie you don't want to use that club anymore .... I know that after
    a couple drops you can place the ball but I would like to look at
    the shot after the ball is repositioned and decide what club to
    hit it out of bounds with ;^)
    
    cowabunga dudes !
    
949.21To drop or not to drop ?SHIRE::DAWKESTue Jun 05 1990 06:2517
    This is really a reply to .20 !
    
    From what you have written it sounds as if you drop and then if you
    don't like the lie you pick up the ball and drop again ! If this is how
    you play you should get penalised EVERY TIME !
    
    You drop. If the ball rolls more than one club length, nearer the hole,
    or into a hazard (assuming you were not dropping in one) then you can
    drop again. Otherwise the ball is 'in play', and if you pick it
    up....it's the same as lifting a ball on the fairway for no reason !
    
    I hope I misinterpreted what you were saying....and that anyone who
    does not know the rules reads this before they get caught.
    
    Knowing the rules can save your score !
    
    Mike
949.22re; .21FRAGLE::STUARTI {heart} my Dodge DakotaTue Jun 05 1990 14:1311
    
    no, no, no, !!   you misinterpreted   !!!
    
    you get multiple drops after you've kicked it back into the fairway ;^)
    
    really ;
    
    I was talking about taking a drop and the ball rolling too far or
    whatever ....  after two drops you may place it .