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Conference 7.286::golf

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Created:Tue Feb 15 1994
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664.0. "NEED IDEAS FOR GOLF TOURNAMENT" by LACV01::FRANKE () Wed Jun 28 1989 16:24

I am in the process of setting up a neighborhood golf tournament.  I have
about 30 neighbors interested, and asked each one to supply me with their
18 hole handicap.  Unfortunately, only 3 could provide me with their
handicap, while the rest had no idea.  Some of the golfers said they shot
in the 80's while others said 100.

Since it seems noone has a handicap, and I probably couldn't trust the
few that did supply me with their handicap, what type of a tournament
could we have?  Its kind of hard to give a prize for low score, when a
couple of the people say they shoot in the mid/high 70's while others
shoot 100.  What would be fair for most of the golfers?  This tournament
would be individual competition.

My thoughts were:

     - closest to the pin on 1 or 2 of the par 3 holes
     - longest drive
     - least number of putts for the round

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks,

   Bill Franke...down here in sunny Florida

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664.1Try CALLAWAY system!CHET::BEAUCHESNEWed Jun 28 1989 16:389
    
    	I would recommend the Callaway system.  It is ideal for the
    situation you describe.  The rules are very simple.  I beleive they
    are spelled out somewhere else in this file.  If not, send me mail.
    
    	Another suggestion would be a Captain and Crew type of tournament,
    although this would mean giving out prizes for the foursome.
    
    	Moe
664.2FSHQA2::JGALLAGHERWed Jun 28 1989 16:5510
    I play in an annual community tournament and they use the Callaway
    system.  Since everyone is out for the fun of it, it makes the
    tournament enjoyable for all.  After 18 holes are played, people
    a broken up into mixed foursomes and a 9 hole Scrambles match is
    played.  Again its fun for all.   
    
    Prizes are given out for low gross, low net, closest to the pin,
    longest drive and the highly coveted prize for highest gross score. 

    Jim
664.3Easy HandicapFENNEL::LUCIANOThu Jun 29 1989 01:3712
    Simplest way I know of is to have everybody play all 18 holes. 
    Draw 6 holes at random; determine how many over par each player
    is for those 6 holes, multiply by 3, and that's their 18 hole handicap.
    
    Take their 18 hole score, subtract their 18 hole handicap...lowest
    net score is the winner.  Simple!
    
    If possible, choose 1 par 5, 1 par 3, and 4 par 4s in the 6 hole
    handicap.
    
    Good Luck!
    
664.4Florida styleVISE::LEVESQUEThe Dukes a DINK!Thu Jun 29 1989 17:316
    
    
      Your in Florida, then play florida style!!! It's fast and fun for
    everyone. I always enjoy playing florida style at my clubs playday.
    
                                                     Brian
664.5QUESTION ON CALLOWAY SYSTEM....LACV01::FRANKEFri Jun 30 1989 17:1637
Thanks for the suggestions.  The Calloway system sounds pretty good, but
I have a question regarding it.

Lets say you shoot a 90, which means that you take your 2 worst holes plus
a 2 stroke adjustment.  What happens if you had 4 double bogeys for your
18 hole round, ie on 2 of the par 3's you get 5's; and on 2 of the par 5's
you get 7's.  All you other scores were pars and bogeys.  What 2 holes are
considered the worst?

If you use the 2 par 3's, then you score a 5+5+2=12...90-12=78

If you use the 2 par 5's, then you score a 7+7+2=16...90-16=74

*****

Another scenario is what if you get 5's on the 2 par 3's and a 7 on 1 of the
par 5's and pars and bogeys the rest of the way.  Which holes are the worst?
The 2 par 3's, or 1 par 3 hole and the 1 par 5 hole???
Again, if you used the par 3's, you would net at 78, if you used 1 par 3 and
1 par 5 hole you would get 5+7+2=14...90-14=76

Would you always use par 3 holes first, then the par 4 and then the par 5's?

*****

Does anybody have the right answer???

Reason I am asking this question here, is that I just called Nevada Bob's,
and they did not know the answer.  I then called 2 of the country clubs here
in Florida, and neither one of them knew the answer.  One said use the par 3's
and the other said use the par 5's, but neither was sure what the correct
answer was.

Thanks,

   Bill
664.6highest grossESPN::BLAISDELLHear me now, believe me later, ya?Fri Jun 30 1989 17:5658
Bill,
    
       I always interpreted the "worst" hole(s) to be the ones with
     the highest gross value as opposed to the score in relation to
     par for a hole.  In your example, I would use the par 5 scores
     instead of the double bogeys on the par 3's.  I retrieved this
     from another topic and will cross-post it to the old calloway
     topic so people can find it easier. Good luck with your tournament!
    
   - Rick
    
    
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    Using the table below, find your gross score for a 18 hole round.
 Find the number of "worst holes" you can deduct and the adjustment
 number. The worst holes must be taken from holes 1 - 16. Total the
 worst holes and that is your handicap prior to adjustment. Apply the
 adjustment to find the real handicap to be used in calculating your
 net score. Confused? Good....so am I......

    For example.  I shoot an 82 the day of the tournament. I lookup to
                  the table and find that I must pick my 1 1/2 worst
                  holes in holes 1 - 16. My worst hole was a 7 and my
                  next worst hole was a 6. So far my handicap is 10.
                  7 + (6 * .5) = 10.  Next I look down the column my
                  gross score is on and find my adjustment number. It
                  is -1, so I deduct 1 from the 10 handicap to get a
                  real handicap of 9. My net score is calculated to be
                  a 73 (82 - 9).

        
                     SCORE                           DEDUCT
          ---------------------------------    ------------------------
                        70     71    72        scratch  - no adjustment
            73    74    75     --    --        1/2      worst hole & adjust
            76    77    78     79    80        1        worst hole & adjust    
            81    82    83     84    85        1 1/2    worst hole & adjust    
            86    87    88     89    90        2        worst holes & adjust    
            91    92    93     94    95        2 1/2    worst holes & adjust    
            96    97    98     99   100        3        worst holes & adjust    
           101   102   103    104   105        3 1/2    worst holes & adjust    
           106   107   108    109   110        4        worst holes & adjust    
           etc.......etc.......etc.....        blah.....blah......blah

                        ADJUSTMENT

           -2    -1      0     +1   +2         Add or deduct to handicap

                         
                * Maximum handicap is 50
                * No hole may be scored at more than twice its par
                * Half strokes count as whole
                * 17th and 18th holes are never deducted
                * In case of ties, lowest handicap takes preference


-rick-
    
664.7Another Callaway questionLACV01::FRANKEFri Sep 29 1989 16:1454
RE:   <<< Note 664.6 by ESPN::BLAISDELL "Hear me now, believe me later, ya?" >>>
                               -< highest gross >-


Since my tournament is only 2 weeks away, and we have decided to use the
Callaway System, one question came up regarding this system.  Lets say that
3 golfers all shoot 90.  that means (according to the chart below) that they
deduct their 2 worst holes, plus a 2 stroke adjustment.  For arguments sake,
lets say that golfer A had his 2 worst holes on the par 5's, and both scores
were a 5, therefore he would subtract 5+5+2=12...90-12=78.

Now golfer B shoots a 90 and his 2 worst holes are also on the par 5's, he
gets a 7 on both of them, so he would subtract 7+7+2=16...90-16=74.

Then golfer C shoots 90 and his 2 worst holes are 10's on the par 5's so
he would subtract 10+10+2=22...90-22=68.

Assuming this, and their other holes were pars, bogeys etc so that the par 5's
are used for the worst hole (highest score), golfer C would win with a net of
68, even though he shot two 10's on the par 5's and golfer A who parred the
par 5's and also shot a gross of 90, netted a 74 and ends up losing the 
tournament.

Is this really fair, or am I missing something?

Thanks for your help.

Bill

        
                     SCORE                           DEDUCT
          ---------------------------------    ------------------------
                        70     71    72        scratch  - no adjustment
            73    74    75     --    --        1/2      worst hole & adjust
            76    77    78     79    80        1        worst hole & adjust    
            81    82    83     84    85        1 1/2    worst hole & adjust    
            86    87    88     89    90        2        worst holes & adjust    
            91    92    93     94    95        2 1/2    worst holes & adjust    
            96    97    98     99   100        3        worst holes & adjust    
           101   102   103    104   105        3 1/2    worst holes & adjust    
           106   107   108    109   110        4        worst holes & adjust    
           etc.......etc.......etc.....        blah.....blah......blah

                        ADJUSTMENT

           -2    -1      0     +1   +2         Add or deduct to handicap

                         
                * Maximum handicap is 50
                * No hole may be scored at more than twice its par
                * Half strokes count as whole
                * 17th and 18th holes are never deducted
                * In case of ties, lowest handicap takes preference

664.8Monte Carlo GolfADVLSI::FONTANAEric FontanaFri Sep 29 1989 18:2413
>>Is this really fair, or am I missing something?

No, it's not fair.  You should use the "Blind Draw Calloway" system, 
rather than this one.  NO calloway is ever fair, it's basically,
"roll the dice, and see who wins"

The blind draw calloway is a little fairer, in that, nobody knows
what holes will be drawn until the tournament is over, and the
last card is in.  See note 751.0 for a description of the blind
draw calloway, and peoria systems.

/Eric

664.9handicapper's nightmaresESPN::BLAISDELL5,4,3..nah gimme the driverFri Sep 29 1989 18:5311
    
      Eric is correct.  In fact, if you had enough time to think about
    it, you could come up with a hundred scenarios that would illustrate
    the problems with the straight callaway.
    
      In my United Way Tournament this year, I've selected the Blind
    Draw callaway.  We'll let you know how it works.  Mr. Fontana is
    playing in it as a matter of fact.  We'll let you know how he does,
    too.  ;^)
    
    -rick
664.10Don't worry!THEBUS::GRYGLIKWhen's our tee time?Tue Oct 03 1989 14:5122
re:    < Note 664.7 by LACV01::FRANKE >
                         -< Another Callaway question >-

    Bill, of course it's fair.  How easy do you think it is to manipulate
    the Callaway System?  What does it take?  
    
    In order to manipulate the Callaway to your advantage you must score
    10's on the appropriate number of par fives that will result in a score
    that will be above the +2 handicap column AND score par or better on
    all the other holes AND get to deduct the correct number of holes!  To
    accomplish this, you've got to be one heckuva player, which says you're
    sandbagging the par fives, and some sort of mathematical genius to keep
    track of what your scores need to be to end up with your gross in the
    +2 handicap column.  Your player C just happens to POSSIBLY be in this
    category, though I doubt it.  
    	The Callaway evens things out between the good golfers and
    not-so-good golfers.  It does leave more to chance but eliminates
    the worry of a sandbagged handicap.
    
    
    					Mike