Conference 7.286::golf

    	Nice shooting. There is something in the games notefile about
    mean_18, but I'm glad it got posted in here. One of the guys in
    my group has about 12 courses on his Vaxmate and lets us use his
    terminal during lunch. We mainly play the beginner/reg game, but
    on occasion have played expert/pro tees game. One guy in our area
    shot a 61 at Pebble. My personal best is 60 at Inverness. 27-33=60.
    Got a couple of aces this week. One at Inverness #12, and at
    Turnberry #4 and they're my only ones.
    	The courses we have available are:   Pebble Beach, Augusta,
    Firestone, Harbourtown, Inverness, Turnberry, St. Andrews, Bush
    Hill, and a few that people have designed: Amherst CC, Alling CC
    (a CT. course), Swamp, and Hell Acres. We recently received a couple
    more on a disk that have yet to be added.
    	Hell Acres is one mean course, it's not a regulation course by
    any means!!!  The 18th is 760 yds long, par 5 and takes 3 exact
    shots to small landing areas. If you miss those areas, you're either
    OB, in the drink, or at the beach.  If lucky enough to hit three
    perfect shots, then you're left with 180 yards to the green. So
    getting a par on that hole is a virtual eagle. My personal best is 84 (+12),
    but one other guy has shot 79 which is the course record. Yesterday
    @ HA on #18, my opponent shot a 12. I shot a 13!
    	Great game, maybe someday I'll learn how to use the architect
    program.

    My brother had a 57 at Augusta and a 59 at St. Andrews from the
    blue tees playing at the expert level, don't ask me how. I think
    he plays 3-4 times a week.

    
    My best has been a 69 at Augusta, expert/pro.
    
    One thing that has helped me in that game, especially off the tee,
    is don't try to hit the ball straight, try to hit with a slight
    draw or fade, this seemed to increase the amount of fairways and
    greens hit.

    what the heck game are you playing ?
    and how do i get to play
    
       i'll take a 69 anytime
             bob

    	Is this "MEAN-18" the same games we talked about in note 25 ?
    
    
    Chris

    	re.6
    
    	Nope, not the same as note 25. 25 is a VMS game using regis
    graphic terminals, VT240, VT241, etc.
    	Mean 18 is MS-DOS for Vaxmates, I*M PC's, Compaq 386's etc.
    We're talking apples/oranges.

    	Ok , so where is this game at ?

    Here are some tips....
    
    	Putting		8 feet per    (going into the red maybe 20 feet)
    
    	Pitching	10 yards per   
    	9 in sand	10 yards per   ( just before red, for max distance)
    	? in mud	drop 2-3 clubs ( just before red, for max distance)
    
        Going into the red on your backswing accentuates the hooking
        and slicing, as does being in sand , rough, or even light rough.
    	So forinstance a really OUT of control shot, would be to take
    	backswing into the red, (or the dark area at the top of the
        backswing scale) and hit a ball out of the light rough... in
        this scenario, even putting a little draw on the ball will create
    	a massive hook.
    	
    	My friend and I have played everyday at lunch for over a year...
    	THe game is on diskette, you must have an IBM compatable system,
    	and color is much better for scenery (foliage looks great).
                                  
     
    
    	Send mail if you need info...                                      
    
    	Walt	

    Is MEAN-18 public domain software or not?
    
    If not, I  recommend we make that clear before somebody asks to get a
    copy.

    MEAN-18 is NOT Public Domain.  It is copyrighted by Accolade and
    is available through Austads, software dealers, and some local
    department stores.  Additional set of three courses are also available
    on separate disks.
    
    Architected courses should be copyable, but without including the
    executable program.
    
    Moe Beauchesne, lunchtime hacker

    I play Mean-18 on an Amiga.
    My best scores are:  ( all in expert mode from the pro tees)

      Pebble Beach        67
      Augusta             67
      BushHill            71
      St. Andrews         68
      Calcutta            68
      Harbour Town        66
      Turnberry           68
      Inverness           66
      Golf In Hell        84
    
    The "Golf In Hell" I have must be different than the "Hell Acres"
    someone mentioned earlier; the 18th hole they described is different
    than what I have.  The 84 I had on "Golf In Hell" is much better
    than a 66 at Harbour Town or Inverness.
    
    Tips:
    
      o  When using the driver off the tee, take as full a backswing
         as possible.  I just let the guage hit the top of the scale;
         I don't even make the click to start the downswing.
    
      o  Never try to hit the ball straight (except putts).  It is much
         easier to put the ball where you want with a little draw or
         fade.  This is especially true with sand shots and pitches.
         I will hook or slice these quite a bit.  I will usually slice
         them if I am within 20 yards and hook if longer than 20 yards.
         I can almost always get my pitches and sand shots within 2-3
         feet and hole one fairly often.

    I have created a number of courses using archetecture on M.18
    
    My next step is to collect score cards from different courses that have
    the course layout on the back.
    
    I currently have Tarpon Springs from Florida, and both the north,and
    south courses of Stow Acres in Mass.
    
    Everyday at lunch,four of us get together on two Vaxmates and split
    into two teams. No two players of the same team are on the same
    Vaxmate. We do a round of the course of our choice,and tally scores at
    the end.
    
    Q: Does a "Scramble" or best ball mode exist on these things?

    My father-in-law, brother-in-law and myself have all broken 60 on
    Pebble Beach, St.Andrews, Bushhill and Augusta from the Pro tees
    in expert mode.
    I have not yet heard from anyone in this note on how to sink Pitching
    Wedge shots from 50 yards in. Here's the secret guys. (some that
    have not yet perfected this method, consider this cheating)
    
    When you are within 50 yards, try this.  The example I will give
    is from 45 yards exactly.  Select Pitching Wedge.  
    Use the arrow key to move the flag over so that the flag is just
    at the right hand edge of the screen.  Obviously, we are about to
    slice the ball.
    Stop your backswing at exactly 4.5 on the Richter scale. DO NOT
    TOUCH THE SPACEBAR ON THE WAY DOWN. 
    This causes the ball to slice as much as possible.
    Experimentation is the key to success.
    I can 'drain' 4 out of 5 chips from within 50 yards using this method.
    For a 50 yard chip you will have to use the arrow key until the
    flag is two space bar clicks off the right hand edge of the screen.
    As the distance to the flag decreases, so does the amount of distance
    required to move the flag to the right of centre. 
    Divide the number of yards by 10 and this is how far to stop your 
    backswing on the Richter Scale. (ie 45 yards / 10 = 4.5)
    When we play, we rarely putt and if so, the putts are never more
    than 5 feet.
    
    Have fun.
    Mark    (MEAN18 - the only golf left in Toronto)
                                                            
    

    
    Warning Spoiler to follow. (Actually a way to cheat)
    
 
    My Roomate has the lowest score I have every seen for the game.
    A 54 on Augusta, However he did do it by cheating.  What he did 
    was start the game as normal and play the first whole until he 
    either made or missed the birdie putt.  If he made the birdie he
    would go onto the next whole.  If he missed the putt or chip, 
    he would save the game before finishing the whole.  When you restore
    a game, it starts you on the tee of the whole that he just missed
    the birdie on. He repeated this process until he had a birdie on 
    every hole.
    
    Steve
    

    	Yeah, I've done that before. Playing for real, without doing
    as mentioned, my best has been 57. 2 times at Harbourtown, it's
    short so you mostly can hit a wedge to the green on your 2nd shot
    and the greens are small so you're almost always within birdie
    range.
    	Try Jack Nicklaus' Greatest 18 game, it's much better!

    I play Mean.18 on a Mac Plus (unfortunately in B&W).  I have Pebble,
    Augusta. St. Andrews, and Bush Hill on my original disk, and sent away
    for a back-up disk on which I re-created Arrowhead and Plum Creek (in
    Colorado), Kapalua Bay (Maui) and Sky Meadow (Nashua, NH).  I don't
    know my best scores per course but I don't think I've been under par
    yet.  Close, like 1 over, but never under.  I have scored a couple of
    eagles though, and hit the pin off the tee on a couple of par threes.
    
    Question:  How do you open the Halls of Fame?  I put every score in the
    Hall for each course, but then don't know how to open the Hall to see
    the scores I have in there.  I get a message that says something to the
    effect 'the application is busy(?) or missing.'
    
    Would like to purchase Jack's Greatest courses.  Is it available for
    the Mac?
    
    Len