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144.1 | foreign coin | VINO::RASPUZZI | Michael Raspuzzi | Tue Sep 01 1987 00:04 | 6 |
| I have this Canadian nickel that I have had probably since high
school that I use to mark my ball. It is fairly visible on the green
and it is not oversized. I also carry it in my box of tees so I
always have it.
Mike
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144.2 | Anyone need any golf junk? | DICKNS::F_MCGOWAN | | Tue Sep 01 1987 00:13 | 19 |
| Yeah, I was somewhat mystified by the comment, too. But I use the
little button off the glove (which I think is the greatest thing
since sliced bread, since I can never dig a coin out of my pocket
anyway because of all the spare balls and tees I keep in there).
I don't know how the pro's do it, and never realized there was any
real difference. You can buy little gizmos that are concave on
one edge, which is the edge you put snug against the ball when you
mark it (so you'll be able to replace it exactly as it lay), but
those are just as hard to fish out of pocket as a dime. (I have
one, and mainly just leave it in the pocket of the bag, as though
I don't have enough junk in there already, what with three different
kinds of ballmark repair tools [and then I just use a tee anyway]
and assorted other useless paraphernalia).
The guy he was talking about (Fulton Allem?) might as well have
come from Mars for all anyone knew about him. Apparently he got
into the Series on the basis of winning the South African Open.
He did okay, for a near unknown, though!
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144.3 | That makes two. | STKHLM::LITBY | Where EAGLES dare... | Tue Sep 01 1987 13:54 | 7 |
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Re .1:
How interesting - I use a Canadian nickel too. Just p]erfect for
marking the ball...
-- Mr Litby
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144.4 | Parts is parts, and markers are markers | ARMORY::WELLSPEAK | It's a Boy | Tue Sep 01 1987 23:05 | 9 |
| I use just about anything that's available. A dime or penny,
a tee, if it's not in someones line, or I have a little gadget that
has 2 ball markers, that are hexagon in shape and about the size
of a dime, and has a ball mark repair fork in it. It really doesn't
matter, as long as you move your mark accordingly when an opponent
asks you to. I don't wear a golf glove, but if I did, I too, would
probably bye one with the little ball marker button on it.
Beak
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144.5 | on your mark, get set.... | DIXIE1::KLEIN | | Wed Sep 02 1987 02:41 | 21 |
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I agree that it doesn't much matter. Many gloves don't come with
those buttons. Also I remove my glove when I putt and it would be
a pain to have to deal with that button (which doesn't come on the
gloves I have anyway) Also the button doesn't lay very flat and
is hard to see sometimes.
I like to collect ball markers from nice courses, but usually use
a metal marker (like a coin, but I have a metal marker from a course)
Why metal? Once I marked with one of those standard plastic markers with
the little 'stake' coming out the center of the bottom. It was early
in the morning and the bottom of my putter was wet from the dew.
I pushed the marker flat on the green with the bottom of my putter
and waited my turn to putt. When my turn came to putt I couldn't
find my marker, it was stuck to the bottom of my putter!! It was
only a casual weekend round so no big deal, but what would have
been the ruling if I were in some tournament? (some people get
pretty sticky on the rules, even in a hacker's tournament.
-Joe
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144.6 | ex | SNOV17::BARNIER | | Wed Sep 02 1987 04:15 | 32 |
| I use one of those ball markers that have the little stake on
the bottom. This one is interesting for two reasons
* It was a promotional gift from a bank that has now ceased
exist about eight years ago, just about when I started
this great game.
* Since then I cannot lose it, more times than I care to
remember someone in my group has said "Luke is this yours"
I like the glove markers also for their convenience
but they dont sit flat on the green, so I just stick with
old faithful. After all apart from the clothes we were on
the course the only other peculiar feature of a golfer
is his marker......very serious stuff.
Luke
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144.7 | The purpose of marking your ball | ARMORY::WELLSPEAK | It's a Boy | Wed Sep 02 1987 17:23 | 19 |
| Most markers do sit flat on the green, but as a rule, they don't
have to. The purpose of the marker, is to mark where your ball
is, thereby removing a large, possibly distracting object, (the
ball), and replacing it with a smaller, less distracting object,
so that others may putt with as little distraction as possible.
If a marker doesn't lie flat, and is in another players line, he
simply has to ask you to move it to one side or the other, either
a clubhead length or possibly an entire club length. Many opponents
I've played against, ask me to move my marker, even though it does
sit flat on the green. Another reason for marking your ball, is
that it is a penalty, if one ball putted from the green, strikes
another ball on the green. So you should always mark your ball.
Many times I've seen people not mark there ball, thinking, there's
no way his opponent could possibly hit his ball, and sure enough,
it does. In this case, the penalty is a 2 stroke penalty, and is
assessed to the person who hit the ball at rest. So if your putting,
you should insist, that all other balls on the green should be marked
before you putt.
Beak
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144.8 | Expensive, but worth it! | NANUCK::REHOR | I'd rather be golfing | Wed Sep 02 1987 20:37 | 17 |
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re .4 & .7
I vaguely recall a mention in Golf Digest earlier this year about
not using a tee for marking balls. Don't know if this is a new
rule or what.
As for me, I've used just about everything including a tee, and a
nearby twig. I've got the greatest one now though. After a round of
golf a couple of months ago, it was my turn to buy the beer. For change
I received a 50 cent piece. I complained to the manager (my playing
partner) about what was I going to do with a half dollar, they're not
much good for machines. He said quit complaining, use it for a marker.
I have and it's great. Pretty tough to lose on the green, easy to find
in the pocket, and I'd offer to move a flat marker if it was near
someone's line anyway.
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144.9 | Rules, rules, rules | JUNIOR::GSMITH | | Wed Sep 02 1987 22:23 | 25 |
144.10 | anyone heard of this rule? | DIXIE1::KLEIN | | Thu Sep 03 1987 01:06 | 18 |
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Re: .7
I think the reason peolpe like to use a marker that lies flat is
because, as you stated, people often think the mark is not in the
way and they end up rolling over it anyway. A marker that lies flat
won't make the ball hop as much.
Also I believe that in match play you can request that a player
mark the ball but *leave* the ball on the green. You could then
use it as a backstop if it is on the other side of the cup from
the line where you're putting. If you hit the ball it is no
penalty to you, and the other ball is spotted back on the mark.
I'm quite sure that was a match play rule at one time. Is that still
a legitimate rule, or am I dreamin'??
-Joe
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144.11 | The pro's mess up with coins too, Beak! | WORDS::NISKALA | Man..... or Myth???? | Thu Sep 03 1987 01:31 | 11 |
| Last week I was watching the World Series of Golf, in Akron, when
Paul Azinger had to place a marker for his one foot tap in. He used
a coin and tapped the coin with the bottom of his putter to insure
it sat down flush with the green. Since it was drizzling, the coin
stuck to the bottom of his putter and he needed to get a ruling
from an official as to where to mark and if there was no penalty.
The announcers didn't see this happen, so they were wondering why
he needed a ruling for a one-footer. This brought up another inter-
esting rule. The ball can't be moved if a spike mark is in the direct
line to the cup, but can be moved if a badly repaired ball mark
is in line. Is this true??
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144.12 | | VINO::RASPUZZI | Michael Raspuzzi | Thu Sep 03 1987 08:02 | 11 |
| Re .-1: A ball can be marked on a putting green regardless of spike
marks and ball marks. Spike marks, however, CANNOT be repaired until
the hole has been finished where as ball marks can be repaired.
As far as the guy who's mark got stuck on the putter: Add 2 strokes
and then place the ball in the approximate position that it *was*
in. In other words, guess as best as you can to its position before
the mark stuck to your putter. I guess this would have happened
to Azinger too.
Mike
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144.13 | Consistency is everything.... | PEACHS::DRYE | | Thu Sep 03 1987 08:38 | 15 |
| In response to the original question I think most pro's use a coin
for the sake of consistency. Alot of them remove their glove for
putting which would require additional effort to keep up with the
marker from the glove in their back pocket. A coin seems a little
eaiser to manage and less likely to inadvertantly move the ball
during spotting or replacing it. (especially if you have FAT fingers)
Consistency is their biggest asset and this is just another way of
staying in a grove. Most of them also place their ball the same way
each time on the tee and green. I have found this to help me keep my
head behind the ball on the tee if I focus on the back of the ball
with the brand toward the rear.
Regards,
Richard Drye
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144.14 | Gave mine away... | BEES::SCHLIESMANN | None of the above | Fri Sep 04 1987 19:00 | 9 |
| I use anything BUT the little marker on my glove - coins, tees, or if I'm
just picking the ball up to clean it, I place the end of my putter behind
the ball position. I, too, remove my glove around the green (putting,
chipping), so that little pearly thing just isn't practical for me. A friend
of mine lost his a couple of weeks ago, so I gave him mine. I haven't missed
it.
Does anyone know if Azinger was assessed a two stoke penalty on a 1 footer?
Kind makes you feel like you should just tap it in and get it over with.
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144.15 | Spot it where it lies | DIXIE1::WESTCL | Gator Golfer | Sat Sep 05 1987 03:20 | 4 |
| re: 11
You may not move your ball to avoid a bad ball mark, or anything
else to my knowledge, except for casual water, and, I think even
that requires a local rule.
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144.16 | | SAURUS::KEVIN | Kevin O'Brien | Wed Sep 09 1987 00:26 | 14 |
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RE: .10
Yes in match play you can have you opponent mark their ball and
leave it there with the thought being that you can use it as a
backstop. You can not however be on the green at the time.
RE: .15
Casual water does not require a local rule. If there is casual
water, you get relief. You may chose not to take relief.
KO
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