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Conference napalm::musclecars

Title:Musclecars
Notice:Noter Registration - Note 5
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Mon Mar 11 1991
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:182
Total number of notes:5467

67.0. "Winter Storage" by WMOIS::BEAN (You can lead a horse to water, but...) Mon Jul 08 1991 14:24

    I thought a discussion on the topic of storage of our musclecars
    was appropriate.
    
    How about a general discussion of the following.....
    
    Monthly cost?
    
    On wood floors....cement....ground       pro's and cons.
    
    Do cars "have" to be up on jacks?
    
    Do you start it periodically through the winter months?
    
    
    
    I've found an old chicken farm barn with a cement floor for $20 a
    month. Pretty reasonable, I think.  My '68 4-4-2 has not been up
    on jacks the last two years, but I just purchased original wheels
    and new tires this summer, so I'm thinking about buying jack stands.
    
    Are jack stands the way to go if you want to put the car up off the
    ground?
    
    I have not started my car through either of the last two winters and
    found that it started right up in the spring.  Should I be starting
    it?
    
    I'm sure some of you have alot more experience at keeping cars in
    storage than I do, and would appreciate any feedback.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Tom
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67.1Keep the gas fresh!SALISH::ROBERTS_JOLife IS fair - in the Pacific NW!Tue Jul 09 1991 09:388
    I have a '68 mustang (my sons) in storage for 2 years.  I crank it up
    once a month and let it run at least 15 minutes to get warmed up good. 
    That keeps the gas in the carb. from going stale.  I add only 1 gallon
    of gas when it needs it to keep fresh gas in the tank.  It is sitting
    on gravel with a cotton cover on it.
    
    John
    
67.2this is what I doJURAN::HAWKETue Jul 09 1991 11:1315
    In the winter in Mass I keep my car in an old barn with a wood floor.
    I pour Marvel mystery oil in the carb till the plugs foul and the car 
    stalls.  I read that this is good as it helps to coat the cylinders
    and the inside of the exhaust system.  I also place pie tins full
    of charcol on the floors and in the trunk to absorb any moisture.
    I don't start the car till spring so it sits from 3-5 months.  I 
    havn't had any problems with the tires cracking or flat spots but it
    is parked on wood with air flow underneath.  Lastly I make sure the
    tank is full and the car is clean. The full tank prevents condensation
    and the clean car is nice to take out of storage in the spring :-).
         I have been doing it this way for five years with no problems.
    
    
    
                 Dean
67.3Marvel oil is great!SALISH::ROBERTS_JOLife IS fair - in the Pacific NW!Wed Jul 10 1991 07:229
    The Marvel oil is good for one that is just going to winter over.  If
    one is going to sit for upwards of a year though, eiher you gota run it
    on a regular cycle, or you gota do a lot more prep in the start or a
    lota work to bring it out of storage.
    
    The Marvel oil is also used if it is going to be stored long term.
    
    John
    
67.4StorageUPWARD::WOYAKWed Jul 10 1991 13:268
     When I used to be up in the Mass. area I stored my toys at a place
    called "Shoppers Garage" in Fitchburg..The owner is a guy named Al
    Membrino..This place is an old parking garage and is heated..They start
    the cars every other week, let them warm up and then move them to make
    sure things get lubed..They also wash them monthly.He also will do any
    special items you request for your units..I used his garage every winter 
    and for a two year plus stretch when I was in Europe..The units were 
    perfect every time..Not necessarily cheap but excellent..
67.5It's easy..MYCUDA::COE440 Rotates the EarthWed Jul 10 1991 15:3212
        I've stored my `cuda in a my unheated garage (cement floor) for
    the last 5 years and I really don't do that much to it. I make sure
    it has a full tank of gas and then I just take the battery out. I
    do have an old piece of carpet that I place on the floor under the
    car to help try help keep the dampness away from the underside. It
    starts with no problems in the spring, and the tires never crack. I
    was told by several people *NOT* to start the car. But, if you do
    decide to, you probably would want to run it for fairly long periods 
    of time (probably more than 15 minutes) to insure all moisture is out
    of the exhaust system. 
             
    Steve
67.6those were the days......DNEAST::WHITE_BRYANStupid people shouldn't breed..Thu Jul 11 1991 15:1624
    
    	Back in my "pre-informed" days I kept a TR-7 through many
    	a COLD Maine winter.  I kept it in an unheated garage but
    	started it every month, ran it out into the great outdoors,
    	let it reach operation temperature, turned on the heater,
    	cycled the headlights (up and hopefully down) and never 
    	had any trouble.  I always added a can of dry gas before
    	putting it up, changed the oil and the filter, lubed the
    	carbs, a fresh polish job, plenty of Armor-all on the top
    	and dash and generally cleaned it up.  This also included
    	an under-body wash, (NOT UPPER due to fascinating results
    	obtained in trying it through the car wash....).  I never
    	had any trouble, the battery stayed up and in the spring
    	I had only to freshen the gas tank and cruise.  A couple
    	of times I actually took it for a ride on those January
    	thaw days when the roads were clear and dry.  Even did one
    	pass with the top down on a balmy 45 degree day one year.
    
    	Care is the keyword.  If you can get to it and start it
    	often and MOVE it around I think you get great results 
    	without having to do a lot of work in the spring to get
    	things going.
    
    	Bryan
67.7my 2 cents and experienceTROOA::GILESThu Jul 11 1991 23:2620
    One key to winter storage is airflow. I've stored my car in those
    self-storage places and had a bad experience one year with
    condensation. So bad it rusted all my chromed suspension components. I
    couldn't believe the moisture on the floor and the underside of the
    car. I honestly thought there had been a flood until somebody
    enlightened me. I plugged in a nine inch fan, sat it on the floor and
    let it run continuously and never had a problem with moisture again.
    Now I own my own garage and I make damn sure it stays dry! I know a
    fellow whose into antique cars. He lives on a lot with a fair grade to it.
    He built a huge garage/shop out back completely out of wood including
    the floors. The floor boards have spaces you can see through and he's
    NEVER had a problem. One thing he likes to do is keep the car at the
    same temperature as outside but out of the elements, that way moisture
    never builds up on the cars. I don't know if you've ever openned a
    garage on a spring day when its warmer outside than inside the garage
    and its fairly humid from the thaw but I can tell you that every piece
    of metal in that garage will act as a dehumidifier and sweat like
    crazy.
    
    Stan 
67.8I need a spring and fall car tooJURAN::HAWKETue Dec 15 1992 12:5612
    This does relate to winter storage or the lack thereof more accurately
    saturday I saw a 67-8 Mustang coupe in decent shape driving around in 
    the snow...Sunday I saw a nice 69 El Camino driving around...today 
    on my way to work I saw another Mustang coupe going the other way
    on the highway appeared to be in good shape. Why do people drive their
    early iron in the winter...if they can't afford a winter car then they
    should sell or walk because in the end they'll have no winter car and
    no summer car. Makes no sense to me so if any one in here wants to
    trade their car for a VW send me mail :-).
    
    
          Dean 
67.9Pull his license for stupidity...ESKIMO::MANUELETue Dec 15 1992 16:3710
    Re-1
     You think thats bad, I was watching Channel 5 in Boston Saturday
    morning, and they were saying how bad RT 128 was. They started showing
    scenes from 128, and there was a 69 Camaro, in great shape, going
    sideways up the highway! I yelled my head off (I used to own a 69 SS
    350). My wife thought I was going nuts. Then she saw what I was yelling
    about and understood. She had helped me restore the SS and knew what
    winter could do. Some people just don't get it.
                                                     JM
    
67.10Makes you wanna smack 'em!!MYCUDA::COE440 Rotates the EarthWed Dec 16 1992 08:314
    Yup, and I saw a Lime Green 70 AAR heading East on Rt 2 in the
    Westminster area.
    
    /steve
67.11It's heart Breaking , I knowLUDWIG::LAMOTHEN.E. Summer National Staff MemberThu Dec 17 1992 11:2616
    
    
     The reason We all see this is because people do not have much money,
    thus can not afford a NEW vehicle.  So, they will search for a used
    car, therefore to spend let's say $800 to $3000 , people who like
    classic cars, will buy the Classic car over a Newer Model car...
    
      So, they buy the Classic and DRIVE it everywhere....it's only people
    who want to restore these cars that get frustrated, If I didn't have
    any other vehicles and a Garage...I would most likely being driving my
    Stang around too !  
    
      But, just pretend you didn't here that !
    
    /Bob
    
67.12NOTESKIMO::YACINOThu Dec 17 1992 13:044
    People who REALLY like their classic car would rather sell it than drive it
    in the salt.
    
    Brian
67.13RANGER::BONAZZOLIThu Dec 17 1992 13:199
      Let's face it.  Not every old car out there is a classic.
    For example, I saw a '69 Chevelle out in the snow this weekend.
    My first thought was that the guy is crazy for ruining the car,
    but, when I got closer to it, I saw it was a non-SS Malibu with
    a single exhaust.
      The way money is so tight lately many people just can't justify
    the added expense of a winter car.
    
    Rich
67.14Winter..ROULET::BERNIERThu Dec 17 1992 15:218
    
    
    Plus Bob's Mustang looks like it has seen every winter since 
    purchased.
    
    ;-)
    
    /ab
67.15MYCUDA::CUDA440 Rotates the EarthFri Dec 18 1992 08:467
    Re: .11
    
    
    Wish I could find an AAR that looked that good for 800-3000.  8^)
    
    
    /steve
67.16not every winterJURAN::HAWKEFri Dec 18 1992 08:548
    Ya but how many 69 Chevelles are they making today ? Sure if the thing
    were rotted and not restoreable do whatever you want with it the three
    vehicles I mentioned were all in good shape.
    
    Re Bob's Mustang cmon you guys I think it was made in late 69 which
    would have made it eligible only for the winters of 70 on up. :-)
    
             Dean
67.17Top this!IAMOK::FISHERFri Dec 18 1992 10:0313
    
    RE The last few.
    
    My wife and I saw a 1964 Impala SS *409* driving merrily through
    the slush, snow, salt, and sand of Andover, MA.
    
    Car was a nice solid #3 condition.  
    
    It's been a while since I've seen a 409 car, and my motorhead brain
    simply wasn't calibrated for the sight of this car driving around
    with big slush dingleballs hanging off the fenders and quarters...
    
    Tom
67.18Not a nice to do at allWFOV12::KOEHLERPersonal_NameFri Dec 18 1992 12:494
    re. 409
    Now that guy should have been taken out and beaten with a 2x4!
    
    TMW
67.19My Stang has the Dripps !ESKIMO::LAMOTHEN.E. Summer National Staff MemberFri Dec 18 1992 13:3510
    
      Hey, 
    
      That's wh I use 40 bottles of Auri, and 69 bottles of ColorBack
       to make the car look like new even it stays out all Winter !
    
      I keep my Bicycle in the Garage...It's a Collector's Item !!!  :-)
    
    /Bob
    
67.20CRISTA::ROCHEMon Dec 21 1992 08:595
    Every morning on the way in I pass a guy driving a 70 Mercury Cyclone,
    orange, heading west on RT111 in Windham NH. Everyday the car gets 
    whiter and whiter from the salt.
    
    Chris
67.21Saw that AARJURAN::HAWKEMon Dec 21 1992 09:4812
    rE -.1 maybe he's just painting it a little at a time.
    
    RE AAR
    
    Well I was curious as to why there was an AAR out this time 
    of year but I just spotted an AAR out that new place classic car
    storage (or something like that) on Main st next to Tru value in
    Gardner. So I guess that ends the mystery of why he had his out...
    but I also spotted a clean 70 Cutlass convertible in Hudson red with
    the same fading to white scheme as that orange Cyclone :-(.
       
          Dean
67.22ESKIMO::YACINOMon Dec 21 1992 13:234
    Yeah, but notice that I keep even the '63 Rambler at home ...
    
    Brian
    
67.23MYCUDA::COE440 Rotates the EarthMon Dec 21 1992 13:527
    Re 67.21 
    
    I'm trying to think where your talking. Ashly Motors? I know the guy
    that *HAD* a shop there (in the summer). He's moved to Fitchburg now. 
    He didn't have any cuda's. 
    
    /steve 
67.24wrong carJURAN::HAWKEMon Dec 21 1992 16:198
re. Ashly motors
    
    Nope across the street right next to Bruces where Newcomb & Walsh
    used to be.  I went back and read your note the one I saw is/was
    purple (or some variant of that color) not green. I'll try to spin
    by there tonight.
    
          Dean
67.25exLUDWIG::LAMOTHEAlwaysTue Feb 07 1995 00:109
    
    
      Anyone have one of those temporary (sp) tents for outside use to
    store a vehicle ?
    
      Do they sell them ???  How much !
    
    /Bob
    
67.26Info pointerDPDMAI::HARDMANSucker for what the cowgirls do...Tue Feb 07 1995 11:075
    Bob, check out topic 542, starting at reply 80 in the Carbuffoons
    conference. DLOACT::CARBUFFS or KP7.
    
    Harry