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| 126.1 | Here's some more. | ESKIMO::MANUELE | | Mon Dec 06 1993 19:53 | 12 |
| Re-1
#1 Yes, Chevy did have a 262. I saw it listed this past weekend in a
book I loaned to Tom Fisher. It was from the mid-seventies.
#2 Ford made a 351 Windsor and 351 Cleveland. The 351M is a modified
Cleveland. I think the actual displacement is different, it might be
352, and they did not want to confuse it with the earlier 352 engine.
#3 Add the 428 to the Pontiac List.
#4 Add 350, 400, 425 and 455 to Olds.
#5 I think Ford also made a 462 based on the FE engine (same as 390,
427, 428 etc).
John M.
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| 126.2 | 262=6cyl | BSS::BOREN | | Mon Dec 06 1993 20:42 | 3 |
| should memory serve correctly; the 262 was the straight 6 not a v-8
rich
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| 126.3 | Long stroke 292 torque monster | USHS01::HARDMAN | Massive Action = Massive Results | Mon Dec 06 1993 20:47 | 5 |
| The big Chevy straight six was a 292, they _may_ have had a smaller one
also.
Harry
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| 126.4 | | SSDEVO::SHUEY | | Mon Dec 06 1993 21:05 | 7 |
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re: Oldsmobile engines
The 372 and 394 are the same family, but is a different engine than the
350, 400, 425 and 455 family.
Tom
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| 126.5 | More data. | ESKIMO::MANUELE | | Mon Dec 06 1993 21:21 | 4 |
| Re-2
The 262 was a V-8, the straight six engines are 230 and 250 CID.
John M.
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| 126.6 | I "think" this is right! | COMET::WARNOCK | | Mon Dec 06 1993 23:48 | 6 |
| Chrysler "LA" family includes 273,318,340 and 360's
the "B" family includes 361,383,400 and 413. The
"RB"(raised block" would include the 426 (wedge) and 440
and then, of course, the "modern" HEMI is 426.
Tim
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| 126.7 | 230 abd 250 ci's are newer | USHS01::HARDMAN | Massive Action = Massive Results | Tue Dec 07 1993 00:40 | 6 |
| Re .5 Chevy did have a 292 straight six also. It was grossly
oversquare, with a very long stroke. Made lots of low end torque! I
think they dropped it in the early 70's.
Harry
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| 126.8 | Some more | SANTEE::AUGENSTEIN | | Tue Dec 07 1993 09:23 | 15 |
| Buick did their "nail valve" V8 (the one with the horizontal, rather than canted
at 45 degrees, valve covers) in 1954, I think, at 322 cubes. I know that engine
also came in 401 and 425 inch sizes, but was there something between 322 and 401?
In '67 they did a completely new 400, followed by a 430 and 455 in that family.
They also did a 300 (and 330, I think) V8, but I have no idea whether that was
related to anything else.
Olds had a 330, but, again, I have no idea whether that engine was a part of a
family.
How about the Cadillac that started in '49?
Bruce
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| 126.9 | | TILTS::VANDERPOT | | Tue Dec 07 1993 12:40 | 9 |
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I just can't seem to remember correctly, did the grand
sports have a 377 or 372? Inquiring minds want to know.
The poster from mid america should tell all, as would
any book about corvette racing in the sixties.
Dave
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| 126.10 | nastalgia - I love it | ALLVAX::DUNTON | Frankly my dear..... | Wed Dec 08 1993 10:36 | 20 |
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Re. 7 Harry, your sort of right. I remember the chevy sixes starting
at 192 cu in (found in the 63 ish chevy II's) then the 230, 250 &
292's. The 230's were put in the 64 chevy II SS's as an option.
The 230 & 250's were used as a truck motor until the 292 was introduced
in the mid - late 60's (67 I think). The 230 & 250's have been around
since before the 292's.
Re. 8 Caddilac motors of late were the 472 & 501 cu in. The 501's
can be found in the FWD early to mid 70's eldo's and even rarer in
the comprible Olds Toronados. Not sure of the motors started in the
late 40's. A trip through a Hemmings should produce all sorts of
information.
Don't forget the aluminum buick 215 cu in v8. don't think it belongs
in a 'family' per se, but definately worth acknowledgement. buick
also made a motor around the 325 cu in they "offically" dubbed their
Wildcat engine - only to be replaced one or two years later by more
cubes.
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| 126.11 | Ford Data | IAMOK::FISHER | Is Bobbit a verb? | Wed Dec 08 1993 14:27 | 24 |
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Bruce,
The 332 - 428 Ford is the FE family of big blocks. Distinguished
by a deep skirt design, and very narrow cylinder heads, and shaft
mounted rockers.
BTW, these also came in 360 (Ford truck from 71-76), 410 (Mercury
Full sizes), and 361 (Edsel) cube displacements.
The other FE derived engine family is the FT series. These were found
in large trucks and industrial applications.
Displacements were 330, 359, 391, 427.
You totally forgot the MEL series of Fords, the 430 (58 - ?) and 462
(Lincoln)
The proper name for the Cleveland family (351C, 351 Boss, 351CJ/HO)
is the "335" series
Similarly, the current big block family (429, 460 passenger/light
truck) and 370, 429 (heavy trucks) is the "385" series. It's also
known as the Lima family, after the location of the assembly plant.
Tom
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| 126.12 | AMC?? | IAMOK::FISHER | Is Bobbit a verb? | Wed Dec 08 1993 14:30 | 13 |
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Also Bruce, What about the AMC/Rambler family of Small blocks:
290
327 (technically a Rambler motor)
343
360
390
401
can't leave out the little guys from Kenosha!
Tom
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| 126.13 | More chevy's - than you even imagined Bruce! | MKOTS3::BEAUDET_T | Tom Beaudet | Wed Dec 08 1993 17:22 | 18 |
| Here's a list from 1950 to 1967...
6 cyl 216,235,230,194,250,140,145,164
^^^^^^^^^^
Corvair
4 cyl 153cid (1962-67)
8 cyl 265,283,348,409,327,250,396,427,350
bunches 'o Chevy's!
I have the tune-up specs, HP, bore and stroke info etc.,
for these if anyone's interested.
/tb/
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| 126.14 | 413 is RB Chrysler engine | TARKIN::HARTWELL | Dave Hartwell | Thu Dec 09 1993 17:19 | 10 |
| Minor correction to the Chrysler B/RB family a few notes back
413, 426, 440 are all RB engines
B engines went as high as 400 CUI.
/Dave
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| 126.15 | | IAMOK::FISHER | Is Bobbit a verb? | Fri Dec 10 1993 08:11 | 14 |
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Bruce,
Poncho also made a 301 cube V-8 (emissions era pig) *and* a full tilt
303 cube to compete in Trans-am and fall under the 305 inch maximum.
I've also seen reference to Ponchos in the 316 cube displacement.
Also, my college-daze Chrysler Saratoga had a 383 "high deck"
motor. Not sure about the particulars, but very few, if
any parts interchanged with a later 383. Apparently it was
a longer stroke (and higher deck height) and smaller bore motor.
Tom
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| 126.16 | Buick V8 info | RANGER::BONAZZOLI | | Fri Dec 10 1993 16:11 | 16 |
| BUICK: introduced in 1953 on the Super and Roadmaster. Known as the
nail-head v8. A very tough engine.
322, 364(1957), 401(1959), 425(1964)
Also similar in design and introduced around 1964
300 (aluminum heads in 64, cast iron after that)
340 (introduced about the same time as the 300)
New family of big block V8 introduced in 1967 to replace nail-head V8
400, 430, 455(1970)
New small block to replace the 300/340 introduced in 1968
350
Rich
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| 126.17 | Most MoPar V-8 engines | CSLALL::NASEAM::READIO | A Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman Locks | Wed Dec 15 1993 13:35 | 121 |
| There are a couple of engines I have to check on as to whether they were
hemi or poly combustion chamber designs, however, the blocks were the same
and the heads were interchangeable within the specific carlines.
Chrysler hemi engines were the largest (longest and widest), DeSoto was
next and Dodge was the smallest. Plymouth never had a hemi.
The first wedge engines were the 350 cid examples found in the high
performance Dodge, DeSoto, Plymouth (Christine) vehicles in the late '50s.
The early 318 type had scalloped valve covers and was rather wide. The
later version (derived from the 273 found in Valiants and Barracudas) is a
much smaller engine and can still be found in Dodge trucks. It is also the
engine ChryCo used as a basis for their V-6 engines that were introduced in
the first Dodge Dakota pick-ups.
c.i.d. years engine carline
produced design
"Early hemi"
Notes: Polyhead blocks are same as hemi blocks, heads are different but
interchangeable
331 '51 - '53 hemi
integral
bellhousing Chrysler/Imperial
331 '54, hemi Chrysler/Imperial
301 '55 polyhead Chrysler/Imperial
331 '55 hemi
redesigned
cooling syst Chrysler/Imperial/300
331 '65 polyhead Chrysler/Imperial
354 '56 hemi Chrysler/Imperial/300B
354 '57 polyhead Chrysler/Imperial
392 '57, '58 hemi
increased deck
height Chrysler/Imperial/300C, 300D
Notes: Largest of the three early hemi engines
300 series engines are high perf. 2 4bbl carb, solid tappet
camshaft
276 '53, 54 hemi DeSoto
291 '55 hemi DeSoto
325 '57 polyhead DeSoto
330 '56 polyhead DeSoto ?
341 '56, '57 hemi DeSoto
Notes: DeSoto blocks are shorter than Chrysler blocks
241 '53, '54 hemi Dodge
270 '55, '56 hemi Dodge ?
270 '56 polyhead Dodge ?
315 '56 hemi Dodge, D500
325 '57, '58 polyhead Dodge ?
'57 polyhead D500, D500 Special Kit
326 '59 polyhead Dodge
Notes: Dodge blocks are the shortest of the three early hemi/poly engines
D500 & D500 Special Kit were 2 4bbl high performance engines.
Late Hemi
426 '64 - '72 hemi Plymouth, Dodge
Notes: Race and Street hemi versions were produced throughout the span.
Race versions were not sold to the public after '68
Wedge engines
350 '58 wedge Dodge, DeSoto
'58 wedge Hi perf Plymouth Golden Commando
361 '58, '60 wedge DeSoto
'58 wedge Hi perf Dodge D500
'59 wedge Dodge
'58 - '61 wedge Hi perf Plymouth Golden Commando
'60, '61 wedge Hi perf Plymouth Sonoramic Commando
'62 - '64 wedge Chrysler
383 '59 - '7? wedge Chrysler
'59, wedge Hi perf Dodge D500, Super D500,
'60 wedge Dodge
'60 wedge Hi perf Dodge D500
'61 wedge Dodge
'61 wedge, Hi perf Dodge ram induction
400 '? wedge Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth
413 '59 - '65 wedge Chrysler/Imperial
wedge, Hi perf 300E, 300F
426 '63, '64 wedge, Hi perf Plymouth, Dodge
440 '66 - '7? wedge Chrysler
440 '67 - '72 wedge, Magnum Plymouth, Dodge
Notes: D500, /SuperD500, Golden Commando, ram induction were 2 4bbl high
performance engines.
'58 - '60 Wedge engines have a long stroke and are RB (Raised Block)
style engines. Subsequent 361, 383, 400 engines are B block while
413,426 and 440 wedge engines are RB blocks.
Plymouth V-8
241 '55 poly Plymouth
270 '56 poly Plymouth
277 '56, '57 poly Plymouth
303 '56 poly Hi perf Plymouth Fury
301 '57 poly Plymouth
318 '57 - '66? poly Plymouth
Late "small block"
273 '64 - '67 wedge Dodge, Plymouth
318 '66 - present wedge Dodge, Plymouth
? - ? wedge Chrysler
340 '68 - 72 wedge, Hi perf Dodge, Plymouth
360 wedge Dodge, Plymouth
400 wedge Chrysler
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| 126.18 | | WMOIS::WHITE_C | | Wed Dec 15 1993 14:33 | 5 |
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Didn't Ford have a Hemi they used in the Boss 429 in 69-70 ??
Chris
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| 126.19 | Buick aluminium V8, 215ci. | CMOTEC::JASPER | Stuck on the Flypaper of Life | Wed Dec 22 1993 10:25 | 12 |
| That Buick aluminium engine...
The 215 ci was (I believe) sold on to British Leyland.
The British market needed a lightweight V8 for its lighter cars.
The right-to-manufacture this engine was bought by BL cars. It is used
in Range Rover & Rover cars. Its since been enlarged to about 240 & is
still in production for Rover cars, Range Rovers & Land Rovers. It is
also found in MG cars (owned by BL at the time), notably the MGB V8.
Tony Jasper.
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| 126.20 | Spitfire six cylinders | CSLALL::NASEAM::READIO | A Smith & Wesson beats four aces, Tow trucks beat Chapman Locks | Wed Dec 22 1993 11:23 | 13 |
| The flathead (side valve) Chrysler 3 7/16" six was used in Chryslers,
DeSotos, large Dodge trucks (not pick-ups)and industrial applications
from the late '30s right up into the '60s. The originals were in the 230 cid
range and the largest were 265 cid. Crank and rods were the only changes
over the years. The longer the stroke, the larger the displacement.
Bore size was always 3 7/16" so heads and gaskets are the same for all of
'em. Compression was bumped periodically from barely 6:1 to close to 8:1
The Plymouth and Dodge (and pick-ups) engine was smaller (shorter) and had
a "soft" crank. It was not as dependable as it's larger cousin. Aside
from the smaller dimensions, however, these engines looked identical to the
3 7/16" engines.
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| 126.21 | the list keeps growing | ICS::GEORGE | | Wed Jan 05 1994 14:45 | 8 |
| Olds also made a 40?6? that was found in some of the 2nd generation
Trans Ams (late 70's/early 80)
Now if someone could compile all this info into one reply, we could all
print it out, and keep it our glove compartment/tool box for reference.
Any volunteers???
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| 126.22 | We're not done yet......... | SANTEE::AUGENSTEIN | | Wed Jan 05 1994 15:27 | 5 |
| .............but that was my exact idea when we have enough data.
BTW, that Olds was a 403, but I have no idea what family it belonged to.
Bruce
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| 126.23 | A couple of more Olds | MKOTS3::BEAUDET_T | Tom Beaudet | Thu Jan 06 1994 15:40 | 10 |
| Here's a few OLDs V8's
1949 - 303
1958 - 371
1961 - 215 (aluminum) F-85 body
196? - 425 used in Totonado
1968 - 455
/tb
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| 126.24 | | IAMOK::FISHER | | Tue Feb 01 1994 14:21 | 18 |
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Another displacement in Ford's MEL series was the 383, used in late
fifties full sized Mercury.
Have the small block Ford 221, 260, and 255 (emissions era)
motors been mentioned?
Another member of the FE family was the awesome 427 SOHC motor.
Do you want to get into variations within engines, e.g. 390 2v, 4v,
6v??
Don't forget the Boss 429 and Boss 302.
Ford also built (in very limited quantities) a 494" motor for Can-Am
racing. Some found themselves bolted into the King Cobra (Torino) concept
vehicles, about 3 of which exist today. This engine falls into the
385/Lima/429, 460 family.
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