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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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2572.0. "Recording the Electric Bass" by SMURF::GALLO (Spontaneous Harmony Singing) Mon Feb 11 1991 16:50

    
    
    	Anybody got any tips for recording the [B
    
    
    	I've been able to get a decent tone, using the signal path
    below, but it's not a really great. 
    
    
    	Basically, I run the bass to a DBX 163X compress to an 
    EQ to the deck.  
    	
    	Like I said, it's "ok", but not great. 
    
    
    Any other ideas?
                    
    
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2572.1I got the problem tooNWACES::PHILLIPSTue Feb 12 1991 12:2911
    I have been have the same problem getting a real decent tone recording
    my bass too and I use an Alesis Limiter/compressor. I have been
    done some recording without the limiter that sound a little better
    but it tough to play with one eye on the tape level meter. 
    What I plan on trying next is taping  the sound from the bass amp 
    speakers, of course this means using a mike and introducing more noise
    on the tape but.......
    
    Errol
    
    BTW: I have been playing my bass through my KB-300 and it sounds great.
2572.2Some observations ROBOT::RYENRick Ryen 247-2552 TWOWed Feb 13 1991 16:1446
I've done a small bit of recording the bass. My best success has been
recording thru a Alesis micro compressor/limiter, then to the mixing board
(with 3 band EQ) onto 1/4"tape.

I have noticed that both the EQ settings, and the Tone controls on the BASS
guitar were very critical in getting the sound that I wanted. My bass has
active electronics (pick-ups), and has a direct (XLR) output on it. 

Using the basses XLR output directly to the board, with the compressor
insert patched inline worked better then using 1/4" high impedence connections.
You don;t have a choise on most Basses.

Active mode on the bass, worked better then passive (There is a switch on the 
bass). The basses EQ changes are more pronounced then when used passively.

I have also noticed that the tape format is very important. I was never able
to record bass like I desired onto cassette. My attempts using a 4 track X15
never were completely satisfactory. Bass response was my primary motivation
for choosing larger tape formats.

I have recorded on to 1/2" 4track, with much superiour results. (Teac 3440).
I am now using a 1/4" 8track, which has almost as good results as the 1/2"
4 track. My conclusions about this observation is that the wider the tape, the 
better the low end response.

I doubt that recording from a speaker would result in much better sound
quality, unless you had some preference for distortion that might be
speaker induced. Most microphones have very poor bass response. I think
that there would be significant losses from such a set-up. Might be useful
as a secondary source of ambiance, but not for the basic track.

To summarise, 1. I'd recomend going direct to the board as opposed to mic'ing.

              2. I would definately use compression to avoid peaks and saturation.

	      3. I would use large format tape (if possible), and at least 
	      reduce my expectations of small formats.

	      4. I would experiment with EQ settings, on both the bass and
              board (or inline EQ), and the compressor settings.
	       I would listen to tape, and not depend upon the monitor to 
               draw conclusions since
		the sound might be tape limited.

              5. I would not take advice from strangers ;^)
/Rick
2572.3especial attencion por le EQSALSA::MOELLERKarl has... left the building.Wed Feb 13 1991 16:429
    re EQ of bass; most speaker systems cannot, even if your studio
    monitors can, accurately reproduce the fundamental frequency of a bass
    guitar or acoustic bass.  Most speaker systems roll off considerably
    under 120 cycles.  What we DO hear thru those is harmonics.  I suggest
    a +5DB or so boost at 250-300 CPS.  This isn't enough to make the bass
    too honky or midrangey (the wordcoinmeister at work!) on full range
    speakers, but is enough to get it heard on 3" boom box speakers.
    
    karl