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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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2454.0. "k1-editor(s) please" by CHEFS::SYMONDSK () Thu Sep 20 1990 12:07

    
    
                      Kawai K-1 Public Domain Software Needed
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    Is there any one out there nice enough to give me a copy of a K-1
    librarian and editor program for the ATARI st.
    and also are there any ways of making the drum sounds beefier and
    have alot more 'KICK' in them.
    
    
                                            KEVIN SYMONDS @ REO 7830-3218
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2454.1KEYS::MOELLERDEC-rewarding successful risk takersThu Sep 20 1990 17:4811
    I dunno much about the K-1 (loved the K3, though).  There are audio
    processing techniques that will add beef to the wimpiest kick drum.
    These include boosting EQ at about 50cps, running it thru a compressor
    to get a sharper transient at the beginning of the sound, running the
    sound into an appropriate reverb field to get a bigger BOOM, perhaps
    using a gated reverb sound for a higher-tech effect, and perhaps a
    very short digital delay to fatten it up.  Of course this implies that
    you have the luxury of effecting ONLY the kick drum sound, and you
    haven't said enough about your setup for me to guess.
    
    karl
2454.2Yes, I once had a K1 myself...*sigh*NSDC::SCHILLINGThu Sep 20 1990 19:4313
To fatten up and punch out the drum sounds:
In the K1 itself, double up the drum sounds with a little bit 
of delay and with slightly (or more) different pitches.  Add together different
types of sounds.  Add an initial noise blip here and a low sine boom there.  Use
the LFO to further fatten up that sound.  You can produce a pretty nice flanging
effect with that too. Use the AM modulation and see how that sounds. Make sure
all the internal volume levels are way up.  Having a good amp and speakers, 
of course, helps a lot.
A lot of nice things you can do with that machine.  

Hope it helps

Paul
2454.3CheersCHEFS::SYMONDSKFri Sep 21 1990 12:322
    Cheers Paul,
                 Ill go home tonight and try this out.
2454.4speaking of K1FASDER::AHERBThu Jan 17 1991 02:055
    I have a K1 but when I bought it I never really compared it to anything
    else.. How does the K1 sound synthesis compare to others in its price
    range? was it a good choice?. It doesnt seem as flexible as I would
    like
    
2454.5Best bang for low bucksTLE::TLET8::ASHFORTHThe Lord is my lightThu Jan 17 1991 12:4944
Re: .4

I have a K1-II, which is a slight upgrade to the K1. Before I bought it I read
Electronic Musician for almost two years and watched everythin that came out on
the market. An ivory-tinkler for more years than many of you folks have been
alive, I was determined not to go without touch sensitivity, but I couldn;t
justify $1000-plus either. The K1-II was (and may still be) the only machine
in its price range to offer that. I paid $595 at a shop in Salem, NH in December
of 1989.

I realize that a number of machines on the market have far more flexibility as
well as superior sound. The K1-II is basically identical to the K1 in voice
architecture- it just adds an internal effects section and a separate set of
(non-editable) drum sounds. The drum sounds can also be stored as singles and
edited; this just gives you, in effect, more polyphony and polytimbrality.
(Whew, what a mouthful!)

Both machines have 8-bit sound, which has however been companded to get the most
out of the available bits. Most machines have 16-bit, which definitely yields
superior sound. Voice architecture on high-priced machines seems to me to be
universally superior to the K1 and K1-II. My dream machine right now would be
the VFX/SD, for instance- but I don't have 2K to play with!

Some new Yamaha synths are getting down there in price, like the SY22. Apart
from the used market, I still know of nothing directly competing with the K1-II
in price, but discount on the SY22 would probably come close. Personally, I went
for a 4-track rather than SGU expansion, but I was looking closely at the
Yamaha "sort-of-rack-mount" TG33 SGU as a good way to get into vector synthesis
without getting into gear replacement.

Gee, I just noticed that I acknowledged all the K1-II's weak points but didn't
point out that I like it! In terms of getting 90% of what I want in a synth for
25% of the price, I have zero complaints. I like the feel of the keyboard, the
internal drum and effects sections are a definite plus (yes, I realize the
superiority of outboard versions of both), and I'm basically more than satisfied
with my purchase. Would I make the same purchase today? Hard to say. So much has
changed, both in the market and for me, but some of that was probably due to my
HAVING the Kawai in the first place! Since you already have your K1, that may
not be relevant to you, dunno.

Hope you find some of this useful.

Cheers,
	Bob
2454.6..FASDER::AHERBSun Feb 03 1991 02:579
    Problem was I did not do much research into getting a keyboard and just
    got a K1.. Actually them keyboards with just a bunch of preset sounds
    sound better to me... BUt I look at it this way. .Im primarily a guitar
    player and never sat down to spend alot of time making my own sound on
    the K1 so when I use it I have a decent keyboard and use it for the
    background anyway so shouldnt worry about it..
    
    Only major complaint is lack of versitility and I need different sounds
    
2454.7PC based patch editor for K1 wantedJANUS::JACKSONMon Feb 04 1991 11:159
I've had a rack mounted K1 for about a year now. I agree that it's drum sounds
are a bit lacking. I find that with it's bass sounds generally.

I'm finding it very tedious editing sounds on the K1. Can anyone let me have a
copy of a PC based patch editor for it ?

Thanks

Paul