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Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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2316.0. "Church Chimes" by NETWMN::HOLZWASSER () Wed Apr 11 1990 19:08

    Does anyone out there know a source for electronic/electromechanical
    chime systems that could be used in a church?  The current one that
    needs replacing was built in the 1950's, and its operation is much like
    a music box in that it has sprockets that sense whether a hole is
    present or not, activating a chime that then gets amplified and played
    out through speakers in the steeple.  Any help on this subject would be
    greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
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2316.1Well Ring My %&^BAHTAT::KENTpeekayThu Apr 12 1990 06:509
    
    
    Yamaha QX5 and DX7 ought to do nicely!
    
    Not a pinhole in sight.
    	
    Did you know that BIG BEN is broke at the moment !
    
    				Paul.
2316.2overkillLEDDEV::ROSSshiver me timbres....Thu Apr 12 1990 13:329
    
    QX5 and tx81Z if budget is a problem.
    
    Dont need a keyboard if it's playback only.
    
    (enter the 'music' in step time...why not)
    
    	ron
    
2316.3CarillonKITS::LOWEChris LoweThu Apr 12 1990 17:566
    The instrument is called a carillon.  They are available today. 
    Systems that I have seen recently use tapes and a playback mechanism.
    The chimes are played and amplified to the outside of the church.
    
    
    						Chris
2316.4Friend has chimesFGVAXX::LAINGSoft-Core Cuddler*Jim Laing*282-1476Fri Apr 13 1990 20:597
    A friend of mine has an old set of mechanical chimes with solenoids
    in his basement.  He'd hoped to find time to try to MIDI them ...
    but from what he's said lately, he may not.  If you want me to check
    into it (i.e. if he's willing to part with 'em, what condition they're
    in, etc), send me MAIL ...
    
    	Jim
2316.5misc infoPAULJ::HARRIMANbzzzzzzzTHWACK!hmmmmmmmMon Apr 16 1990 15:2873

re: .0

	Sounds like Deagan chimes. I worked on restoring a set of them once
	upon a time when WPI still had them.

	For the curious, the carillon was much like a player piano. It had
	wax paper rolls, which were about 7" wide, with perforations in them.
	The perforations were "read" by a comb-like set of feelers which,
	when they fell through the holes, contacted a drum (they were wired
	as ground, so you wouldn't get hurt changing reels). In addition,
	one track on the side was the damper. 37 notes plus damper, plus
	an extra control sense track.

	The player mechanism had autorepeat, fast forward, rewind, and
	of course, play. You could "program" the player to rewind at the end,
	for example, and start over next playtime.

	The timer was amazing. There was a clock, of course, and a pinwheel
	with a brush in it which turned inside the pinwheel. Each pin was
	wired (hot - 117VAC), as a sequence - in our case Westminster chime,
	for the hour - rests were programmed as NC pins. The hours chime was
	much like a normal clock chime, except that it triggered a set of
	two (octave, C) chimes via relays. The whole thing made a wondrous
	racket when in operation. If power failed, a relay would trip so it 
	wouldn't come back up online, and a big red light would turn on.

	There was also a coupler switch with a mongo multipole relay (38 pole,
	double throw) to couple the carillon with the organ down in the hall,
	again, with mongo multi-cable, etc.

	The carillon itself was a 65 pound harp assembly with metal bars
	arranged in two ranks. The longest bar was two feet (lo C). The 
	pickups were wired in parallel, lo-imp, and there were 37 of them.
	We had an old Altec transformer to get them to hi-imp. You tuned them
	by loosening two screws at the bottom of the assembly and sliding the
	bars up or down. The dampers (again, 37 of them) were solenoid plungers
	with felt dampers, which retracted when the strikers (also solenoid
	plungers, but normally retracted) had power applied, OR if the "all
	dampers up" relay was closed. Basically if you applied power to any
	one note enable, the striker would pulse out, strike the bar, as
	the damper retracted, and then retract halfway. Disable the line,
	the damper would settle back out, the striker would retract. 

	There were something like 40-50 rolls, each with 1-4 songs on it. 
	You set the play time on the control panel with a wire jumper, for
	instance, at 12:00 (after the chimes sounded, since the trigger
	happened in the pinwheel at the end, IF you had the hour trip pin
	on a particular hour)... 

	The speakers for this monster where in the bell tower, there were
	16 big old horns facing in an omnidirectional pattern on a pole,
	all in a series/parallel arrangement so you got 4 ohms at the
	connection. We powered it with a big old hacked 600W amp that originally
	was a DC motor drive (new input stage, voila!) 

	It was in the process of being chucked at the end of my freshman year,
	since it hadn't worked in years. I saved it from the dump, and had
	it running in my apartment, much to my roommate's dismay. The next year,
	it turned out some nostalgic alumni asked about it, and word got back to
	me to see if I would reinstall it. A couple of us worked for about
	2 months on and off, got it running just after Thanksgiving, and
	it ran for a couple more years, before the alumni association decided
	that it really did need to be replaced, so they bought a "new carillon",
	which consisted of an electronic cassette player (the big broadcast
	cassettes), a new timer, and a new amp. Everything except the chimes
	was recorded, and the Westminster hour chimes were synthesized, I 
	guess. I don't remember the name of the manufacturer, but I didn't care
	for the sound (call me a purist, ok?). Sorry. You could ask someone
	at WPI if they'd check and see what the name is.

	/pjh