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Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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2298.0. "Theremin Recordings/Clara Rockmore" by AQUA::ROST (Bikini Girls With Machine Guns) Mon Mar 26 1990 17:18

    
    While electonic instruments have been around about as long as
    electronics have, few of the instruments developed before the 1950s
    have been documented on recordings.  Possibly the best known of the
    early electronic instruments was the theremin, named after its
    inventor, and immortalized on the Beach Boys' "Good Vibrations" and
    the soundtracks to dozens of sci-fi potboilers from the fifties.  What
    I find most interesting when reading about this instrument is that only
    one person ever attained any musical sophistication with it.  That
    person is Clara Rockmore.
    
    Clara Rockmore was born in Russia and was a child prodigy violinist. 
    While on a concert tour of the US with her sister Nadia Reisenberg
    (herself a famed pianist), she met Leon Theremin in 1927 and heard his
    instrument.  In 1934, Clara made her debut recital on the theremin and
    flabbergasted critics who assumed it was only a toy.  She appeared in
    concert halls right up into the fities alongside artists like Paul
    Robeson and Leopold Stowkowski.  A number of references allude to her
    performances of the Franck Violin Concerto, already a virtuoso piece for
    a *violinist*.
    
    Last night, I found a CD called "The Art of the Theremin", performances
    by Clara Rockmore, acoompanied by her sister Nadia on piano.  The CD is
    Delos D/CD 1004.  The "P" date given is 1987, but the recording is
    definitely older than that.  First, the sound appears to be mono, and
    the piano sound is distorted, hardly what one would expect from a recent
    recording (the engineer, by the way, was Robert Moog, the producer his
    wife Shirleigh!!!).  Second, a photo of Nadia Reisenberg refers to her as
    "the late", and third, one reference book mentions these recordings as
    a Delos LP, and that book was copyrighted in the early eighties.  I
    would guess late fifties/early sixties for the actual recording date.
    
    The material is all short excerpts from larger works of the classical
    repertoire.  Composers are listed, but the titles are given without
    mention of where the excerpt came from, etc.  I recognized only one
    melody, a Stravinsky piece listed as "Berceuse".  Notably absent are
    any pieces written specifically for the theremin.
    
    The tone color of the instrument is fascinating.  In upper registers,
    it sounds like a human voice going "ooo" or "hmm", it becomes more
    violin-like as the pitch lowers and in the lowest registers the
    electronic nature is quite obvious to the ear.  The performances are
    certainly virtuostic, particualrly considering the physical
    difficulties of pitch control (there being no tactile feedback). 
    Compared to the more sophisticated instruments available today, Clara
    Rockmore's performances would put many synthesists to shame.
    
    The liner notes discuss Rockmore's career, her technique, the work of
    Leon Theremin and even show a picture of the 1929 RCA Theremin (the
    first commercially available electronic instrument?), including a
    schematic for it as well (hmm, no MIDI port)!  A 1987 photo of Leon
    Theremin in Russia is shown, apparently at that time he was still
    active in music research (has he died since?).  Apparently Rockmore
    still was giving recitals on occasion in 1987, does anyone know if she
    is still alive?
    
    							Brian
    
      
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2298.1SALSA::MOELLEROh JOY! LMF on ULTRIX !Mon Mar 26 1990 18:219
    Like many of us, I guess, my only exposure to the Theremin was old
    SciFi film soundtracks, an obscure San Francisco band called Lothar 
    and the Hand People (Lothar was the Theremin) and occasional articles
    in the music comix, in which some classical concerts during the
    Theremin's heyday were alluded to.
    
    Thanks for some names and background !
    
    karl
2298.2Clara may still be around.FORTSC::CHABANMon Mar 26 1990 18:3916
    Oh yeah!, I've had the Rockmore recording on vinyl for about 6 or 7
    years.  Glad to see it out on CD.  A friend of mine saw Clara play at
    Yale once.  He later gave her a phone call (She was, and still may be
    listed in the Manhattan white pages!)
    
    Interesting note:
    
    Moog tried to build and market a "modern" theramin a number of years
    ago.  The plan was to market it with Schirmer (the music publishing
    people).  Clara was to do some promotional work, but backed out because
    she did not like the "feel" (Heh, heh) of Moog's Theremin...
    
    Seriously, has anyone considered building a Theremin Midi Controller?
    
    -Ed
    
2298.3It's made the rounds...WELBY::MURRAYMon Mar 26 1990 18:394
    If I'm not mistaken, I think Keith Emerson played one in his live
    appearances in the mid-seventies.
    
    Scott
2298.4"Whole Lotta Love" uses theraminNAVIER::STARRAnd I'm telling you I'm not going...Mon Mar 26 1990 18:545
Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin also used a theremin (theramin?) in the middle 
sectin of "Whole Lotta Love", both live and in the studio. It seems like a 
pretty interesting instrument....

Alan S.
2298.5Leftovers from the My Favorite Martian set?PROSE::DIORIOMon Mar 26 1990 19:2610
Admittedly, a theremin has been a low priority (along with an ARP 2600, 
etc.), but it intrigues me enough to want to buy one if I could find one.
I suppose the chances of that are slim, huh?

I've heard that they are not too difficult to build, if you have the 
schematics, and the inclination. Does anybody know where schematics (or even 
a real live working theremin) can be obtained? Don't beat me up if it's 
already posted in here somewhere.

Mike D
2298.6Are you *sure* you want one?DDIF::EIRIKUREirikur HallgrimssonMon Mar 26 1990 20:2618
    Do you folks have *any* idea how hard these things are to actually
    play?   Clara Rockmore was right up there with the perfect masters of
    muscle control.  Remember, it works by capacitance so your overall body
    position relative to the unit influences both pitch and volume.  Zero
    setting is fun.  The reason that Rockmore was so good was that she
    could stand stock-still (endurance!) for the entire performance, and she
    invented/perfected some very rapid hand/finger motions which allowed
    her to articulate individual notes.  She had been an accomplished
    violin player, so she was used to an instrument without keys or frets.
    
    I had a Theramin, and played it a certain amount.  It became quickly
    clear that it was fun for an effect, but I wouldn't ever get tonal
    music out of it.  This was the old SWTPC kit.  Date was about '74.
    It's really too bad that SWTPC went into computers and went broke.
    I'm still using their Universal Tigers (Power Amps).
    
    	Eirikur  (another owner of the Rockmore CD)
    
2298.7CMJ had an article last yearPAULJ::HARRIMANbzzzzzzzTHWACK!hmmmmmmmTue Mar 27 1990 13:467

	Check out Computer Music Journal, one of the four last year, the
	one with her picture on the front. There was a soundpage from the
	album as well. Good article.

	/pjh
2298.8CMJ - Where?DNEAST::COMBAR_CURTAyuh! I'm from Maine...Tue Mar 27 1990 18:326
How does one go about getting a copy/subscription of/to the Computer Music
Journal?

Thanks,

Curt
2298.9Post in Publications topic, plzDYO780::SCHAFERBrad - boycott hell.Tue Mar 27 1990 18:375
    Would the person answering .8 please post the info in topic 7?

    Thanks.

-b
2298.10Schematics?COOKIE::G_HOUSENo, I'm very, very shy.Fri Jun 08 1990 22:3713
It's been awhile since this discussion was active, but I've always found 
the theremin to be a facinating instrument.  I remember seeing a schematic
for one in a rather large book of electronic projects in a library about
15 years ago and wanted to copy it at the time, but never did.

All I recall was that the circuit was quite simple and I thought that I 
could successfully build one, even though I had very little experience 
with electronics.

Does anyone have, or know where a schematic for a theremin might be 
obtained?

Greg
2298.11FORTSC::CHABANWed Aug 07 1991 02:5610
    
    Hmm...
    
    The buddy of mine who saw Clara play at yale tried to build one from
    a schematic he found in Popular Electronics.
    
    Try the library!
    
    -Ed
    
2298.12Still looking for oneSOURCE::ZAPPIAAdult Oriented NoiseWed Jan 22 1992 20:0019
    
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	I'm in search of a theramin or the parts to build one.  If you have
	either please contact me.

	I believe the difficulty in finding one has to do with the type of 
	capacitors used which are no longer made.  Please advise me if I'm 
	mistaken.

	Thanks,
	- Jim (USOPS::ZAPPIA)

2298.13A possible sourceBSS::STPALY::MOLLERFix it before it breaksWed Jan 22 1992 22:2915
PAIA used to sell a theramin kit (in the 1970's). You might give them
a call & see if they still sell the documenation:

	PAIA Electronics, Inc.
	P.O. Box 14359
	Oklahoma City, OK 73113
	(405) 843-9626

If I'm not mistaken, the capacitors used are nothing more than flat copper
plates with a single wire soldered to it & there were 2 plates - one is
for frequency (you wave your hand over both), and the other was for 
volume. I remember building one a long long long time ago & it was nothing
too difficult.

								Jens
2298.14exCOMET::MESSAGEYou can't dust for vomitFri Jan 24 1992 12:457
    Also, in the latest (Feb.) issue of Electronic Musician, there is a
    company (sorry, spaced the name) that is re-issuing the REAL THING!
    
    AND, in case that's not enough, for some $$$, you can have this new
    theremin MIDI'fied!!!!!
    
    Bill
2298.15MIDI Hog?RGB::ROSTAshley Hutchings wannabeFri Jan 24 1992 13:487
    Re: .14
    
    Sounds like a good way to clog up your sequencer...I have enough trouble
    thinning out data from aftertouch and mod pedal, never mind the
    amount of data a theremin would generate!
    
    						Brian
2298.16It's from Moog.RANGER::EIRIKURFri Jan 24 1992 14:275
The re-issue is from Big Briar, which Moog was affiliated with in some way.  I
don't know if he still is, but I would bet....

	Eirikur

2298.172 Sets 'o Schematics + InfoOTIGER::R_WHEELERex-Home and GardenFri Feb 07 1992 02:5339
   I built a theremin as my final project in electronic school 11 
years ago.  I modified plans I found in a Popular Electronics or 
sumptin' from about 1965-67.  It cost about $200.00 for the whole 
thing, $90.00 for the oak box and $110.00 for the parts including copper 
board, mylar and all the stuff needed to etch the board.  The most 
expensive parts were 4 tuning coils at @$9.00/each.  I had to send to 
CA., couldn't find 'em in Cleveland.  

   I still have my schematics, but I've heard that tuning coils are 
VERY hard to find.  I also had brief correspondance with a theremin 
player from N.Y. state, who sent me a schematic for a solid state unit 
that uses two chips!! (one was a 555 timer I believe).  He said it had 
about 2 1/2 octave range, and needed a volume pedal for volume - only 
one antenna.  My unit has infinate audio range and I by-passed my volume
antenna and just use a footpedal also.  My volume control didn't have 
enough dynamic range, 5-8 inches was the physical range, while the 
pitch control covers 4-6 feet.

   I've used it in bands for years, and my wife and I played in Japan 
a few years ago using theremin and EPS, and I still use it when I give 
talks to schools about Edison and inventors - it's a real crowd 
pleaser.  It is absolutly devistating through a delay, REALLY FATTENS 
up the sound.  Beautiful whale (wail?) sounds.
   
I got a "B" on it in electronic school, cuz I couldn't play 
"America the Beautiful" or some such rot.

   Clara is a wondeful note player, but I think of it also as a
conceptual instrument (I guess I play conceptual music(Pere Ubu)),
I also play EML (an old synth w/ lots of knobs). I find it-theremin- 
to be a very expressive instrument, you can use your whole body.  
It is the only instrument that can go the entire audio range as a glissando.
It is also been called "the only TRUE electronic instrument" cuz you 
don't touch it, just control parameters with your body.

   A friend of mine who is going to school in NYC said Mr. Leon Theremin 
is residing in NY now, and has given talks.  I believe he moved here last 
year from Russia.  One of my goals in life is to meet him, I better 
hurry, he's quite old.
2298.18RGB::ROSTA distortion of the need to feedFri Feb 07 1992 12:0411
    Re: .14
    
    The Big Briar units start at $1800 (gag) but are modeled to look like
    the old RCA models from the 20s.
    
    Re: .17
    
    On the schematics, would you be willing to make copies available?  Be
    glad to send you a SASE for a set.
    
    							Brian
2298.19old books for saleDFN8LY::JANZENTom MLO21-4/E10 223-5140Fri Feb 07 1992 22:585
I have a book with a crummy little theremin in it, Electronic Music Projects,
$1.25 new, $1 used. plus postage. from radio shack.
THere's an optical player in 49 easy-to-build electornic projects from tab 1337
6.25 new, $2 used.
Tom