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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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Number of topics:2852
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2236.0. "MIDI CD's?" by WEFXEM::COTE (My kingdom for a pizza...) Mon Jan 15 1990 19:02

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    Edd
    
    
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DECXPS::SASCHROEDER                                  19 lines   8-JAN-1990 21:04
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     I have a friend that just bought a JVC CD+G CD PLAYER, Model XLG512.
    Features that it has are: Graphics Output, 
                              8 Midi-Output ( which means CD w/ midi
                              note messages: used to input into a
                              software driven sequencer).
    
    To me, this is all Greek. I've never heard of any cd players with
    a midi feature. My question is, has anyone else heard of a cd player
    like this. My friends question is, are any cd's made to use the
    midi feature of this cd player. According to him, the place where
    he bought it gave him a demo disk that when played through the midi
    of the cd player to the midi on his keyboard he was able to reproduce
    the music on his keyboard to the note, but when he tried it with
    a normal cd the feature didn't work. Does anyone out there understand
    what I just wrote (I'm not sure I do even). Anyways, I told him
    to call a record company (like CBS) and ask them. If anyone's heard
    of this type of player let me know. Thanks.
    
     Steve S.

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     re.3
      I told him the same thing about possible copyright infringements.
    Also, he didn't just see the "beast" - he bought it! At Lechemere's.
    Now that he's found out that normal cd's don't have the midi feature
    he wants to return it. In my opinion he should write JVC and get
    that list mentioned in an earlier reply. Thanks everyone!
    
        Steve S.
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2236.1I read about that player over a year agoNWACES::PHILLIPSMon Jan 15 1990 19:2811
    Well, I guess it's finally here.
    I read an article about this player about a year ago in Keyboard
    magazine (I think), so I got me a cheapy CD player and have beed
    waiting for this beast to show up. Supposedly, all/most CD's in the
    future will have the midi data for the songs on the disk. That's
    what the article claimed anyway. 
    That will surely blow a hole in the canned sequence market. If can
    dig up that article, I'll post it here. 
    
    Errol
    
2236.2SALSA::MOELLERNever trust a Prankster.Mon Jan 15 1990 20:497
    Techno-slimeball Craig Anderton wrote a cover article (is there any
    other kind?) for EM spring '89 on MIDI CD.  It isn't here yet. 
    Apparently there's lots'o' spare encoding space on CD.. some folks watn
    to put up video stills.. the lunatic fringe wants time-synced MIDI
    data.
    
    karl
2236.3vaporware from Rat Shack ...MIZZOU::SHERMANECADSR::SHERMAN 235-8176, 223-3326Mon Jan 15 1990 23:583
    Yabbut, when is Thor coming?
    
    Steve
2236.4WEFXEM::COTEMy kingdom for a pizza...Tue Jan 16 1990 11:055
    > it isn't here yet...
    
    According to .0, it is.
    
    Edd
2236.5mild flame, and humbugDYO780::SCHAFERBrad - boycott hell.Tue Jan 16 1990 12:5216
    Huh?  Who in their right mind is gonna make their sequences available
    for public consumption? 

    And how in blazes are you going to sequence non-MIDI instruments? Who's
    gonna write the sequence for a BSO recording of the Brandenburg
    Concerto? 

    And how in the world is anyone going to ever standardize on what comes
    out of where?  Viz, horns on channel 5, strings on channels 7,8 & 9,
    what about oboe, flute, tympani, etc? 

    Sorry to be skeptical, but this sounds pretty useless to me - perhaps
    the idea of some yuppy marketeer who don't know squat about *making*
    music ... 

-b
2236.6See EM Sept, 1989NWACES::PHILLIPSTue Jan 16 1990 13:0820
    Karl .2 is correct, that's where I read the article, EM September 1989
    issue.  I found the article and it is way too long for my typing
    skills. However, there is a tel.# and address that may be of
    use to some of you interested parties.
     The company is Warner New Media (WNM), they are supposed to be helping
    artist get graphics and MIDI on CD's. 
    Tel # 818 955-9999. there is also an address given
    
    According to the article Naked, 'the Talking Heads CD already contains
    CD+G data. Interestingly enough the graphics on the CD contains lyrics,
    chord changes to some of the songs and even a "track sheet" that's
    regularly updated to show which intruments are playing during specific
    parts of the tune'.
                                    	
    It's a pretty interesting article that explores some of the
    possibilities and appications of Graphics and MIDI on CD.
    
    That's the scoop..........!
    
    Errol
2236.7MIZZOU::SHERMANECADSR::SHERMAN 235-8176, 223-3326Tue Jan 16 1990 16:279
    I imagine that dumping MIDI to a CD would be easy for whomever makes
    the CD.  It would be there for other musicians who might want to use
    special samples or sequences that sound good on the CD.  Since they are
    protected by copyright, it might be easier to enforce copyright
    restrictions.  Also, with just a bit of hacking, this could be very
    valuable to cover bands, royalties going to the originator of the CD as
    appropriate.
    
    Steve
2236.84GL::DICKSONYou could be an ocarina salesmanTue Jan 16 1990 16:303
    A more likely use would be Midi-controlled lights, etc.  Probably of
    interest to DJ's.  I don't see why it would be in the musician's
    interest to put the MIDI for the actual performance on the disk.
2236.9I would, but then... I'm not in my right mindDREGS::BLICKSTEINConliberativeTue Jan 16 1990 19:4024
    > Who in their right mind is gonna make their sequences available
    > for public consumption?
    
    Actually, Brad it COULD be a good business decision.
    
    Assuming that you CHARGE for it, it could be an opportunity to
    make some money where before you had none.
    
    I'd rather have people buying my sequences than paying some dude
    who sells sequences of my stuff without paying me royalties.
    
    It's not unlike the turnabout in the studios attitudes about
    video rental libraries.  To the best of my knowledge, all those
    video stores out there are in clear violation of the copyright
    law, and yet they go unchallenged.
    
    The reason why is because the studios eventually got wise and
    discovered that the best market for selling video movies is
    rental libraries.
    
    Not too many folks will pay $30 for a movie, but thousands and
    thousands of stores will pay $80 and then rent them out at a profit.
    
    	db
2236.10I must not think bad thoughts, I must not...DCSVAX::COTEMy kingdom for a pizza...Tue Jan 16 1990 21:136
    I must be fighting some larcenous streak; the first thing that came to
    my mind was suddenly all these sequences would be available. For free.
    
    Maybe CDs will be released that don't contain music!! Just MIDI data.
    
    Edd
2236.11instant musicians - just add water and stir DASXPS::SASCHROEDERFalling through wet forest's...Wed Jan 17 1990 00:127
    re.6
    
       Thanks! I'll mention the article to my friend. 
    
    Just think, if this medium (midi-cd's) becomes popular you wont
    even havt to learn how to play an instument anymore - just plug
    in the cd and fake it.
2236.12MIZZOU::SHERMANECADSR::SHERMAN 235-8176, 223-3326Wed Jan 17 1990 04:415
    I don't figure entire sequences will be used, but probably the hooks,
    drum tracks and tough licks might be lifted.  Would be an excellent
    way to pick a piece apart.
    
    Steve
2236.13<^>SHAPES::BROWNMI get this feeling I'm in motion...Wed Jan 31 1990 12:095
    If DJ clubs got hold of the MIDI data they might be able to break it
    down for remixing.  It would be sooooo easy!
    
    
    Mattyb