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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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2189.0. "MIDI Marching Band - Hear me out!" by DWOVAX::ROSENBERG (What you are, or what?) Fri Dec 01 1989 21:53

      Fellow noters,

	 I have been in the silent minority in the COMMUSIC notesfile for 
    several months, and after sponging up mounds of great information and 
    watching this conference like a hawk, I now feel that I am qualified to 
    make a well-educated fool of myself, as opposed to the all-around fool
    I was three months ago.  I am working on a lengthy note requesting 
    assistance on my "MIDI-BIG-BUY", but need more time to prepare that one.
    For now, let's start with a fun, small one (related to the spirit of 
    Christmas):

REQUEST:    Looking for a powerful portable amp to use in a marching situation
	    to run a Rolland R-8 controlled by a DrumKat controller (which I
            purchased last week, and think is probably the best designed MIDI
	    controller I have *ever* seen.  Drummers take note, please compare
	    this to the Octapad + before you buy!)

BACKGROUND:

	 For the last decade, I have organized and participated in 
    the "Whale 198n XMAS Carol Marching Band", which is basically a 
    reunion of all the new and former members of a rock/horn band called
    Whale, who bombard their way through two local Delaware Malls, playing 
    Christmas Carols with marching drums and brass. I am the conductor (and 
    I'll admit I'm a drummer too, as well as keyboard player).  FYI, we have 
    drum cadences, travel music, stop frequently to play a few concert numbers, 
    then move on to the next crowded spot, since we do this on December 24th 
    each year.  The crowd loves it, and we do it all for free as our way of 
    participating in the holiday spirit.

        We also play a theme "song of the year" which I arrange, based on the 
    popular radio tunes of the year, such as:
		1988 - Don't Worry, Be Merry
		1987 - La TannenBamba
		1986 - Sled Hammer
		 .   - Purple RainDeer
		 .   - Hoof Beat It
		 .
		1981 - Whip It. (If you can imagine trombone and tubas
				 flailing their arms about on this one :-)

	This year?  It's a choice between:
	   Was Not Was - Walk the Raindeer (Walk the Dinasaur)
	   Ton Loc     - Wassaling (Wild Thing)  
  	   Fine Young Cannibals - He drives his Sleigh (She drive's me crazy)
        and the winner (from Beetlejuice: Harry Bellefonte - Sleigh-O  (Dayo))
				"Sleighride come & me wan go home!"
      Yeah I know, it was from 1988, but the Videotape came out in 1989.


	Getting to the point: We have tried in the past to amplify guitars 
    through small pignose amps, and you *just* can't hear them.  I want to
    try MIDI drums this year, so, I'm looking for recommendations of a portable 
    amp which must be able to go up escalators, through small aisles 
    without knocking over merchandise, and can pierce through the incredibly 
    ambient air just like marching snares, out-of-tune trumpets, saxes, french
    horns, etc.

	There may not be a solution, but cleverness counts.  Maybe there is a
    way that everyone could wear one Piezzo, and we could radio-control link
    them to an amplifier somehow, to have all 30 marchers act as a giant
    speaker?

	I'll take any recommendations you have.  

        Thanks,

Ken Rosenberg
Software Specialist 
Delaware (one of the United States) Office


P.S.  Commusic is definitely the best Notesfile I have found as far in terms of
content, organization, participation, and usefulness.  Kudos to all of you that
work hard to maintain it, and all that participate.  And to all a good night.
								K.R.
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2189.1Main Street Electrical CharadeCANYON::XEROXSat Dec 02 1989 20:2214
    This sounds like a lot of fun.  Whatever you do, don't let the speakers
    get too far away from the players.  Are you going to run all of this
    stuff on batteries?  Your thought about a transmitter opens up some
    possibilities: your amp could be an array of ghetto blasters.  The
    transmitter had better be frequency stable, though, and you'll probably
    want a compressor/limiter in the chain to keep the transmission clean.
    Of course, if you've got pro wireless gear that would be perfect.
    
    Might be easier to just get a high-powered car amp and 12v lead-acid
    boat battery & put them on the cart with the speaker cabinets.  Line
    outs from your drum machine could feed the amp.  Guitars would work
    if you routed the outputs from the little headphone practice amps into
    the amp's line inputs.  Then you would need a little mixer...
    
2189.2Not A Lot On The MarketAQUA::ROSTSubliminal trip to nowhereMon Dec 04 1989 13:2116
    
    There's a few notes on this in GUITAR notes.  Basically, due to battery
    limitations, battery amps top out at about 10 watts.  All have small
    speakers, the biggest I've seen is 10", although you could always hook
    up a bigger cabinet for the low end you's need for drums....who's gonna
    carry it?
    
    Peavey had an amp (may be discontinued) called the KB-15 for about
    $100.  Much pricier than this was the famous Mouse with rechargable
    battery pack, about $200!!!!
    
    Radio Shack sells a PA head that will run off 12V, 20 watts RMS, about
    $80.  This plus a rechargable lead-acid battery as mentioned in .1
    could make a good home-brew solution.
    
    						Brian
2189.3Random thoughtsNRPUR::DEATONMon Dec 04 1989 13:4328
	I was going to suggest the "Mouse" or "Maxi-Mouse" amps too...

	My family and I were watching the Thanksgiving day parades this year and
I started wondering how they do the music (you know when the star sitting on the
float lip-sync's to the music...).  Do they carry a mega-system on their float,
perhaps powered by a generator, or do they transmit over a wire-less system to
key locations that have receivers and good speaker systems?  'Seems to me they
peobably have to do some kind of transmitting in order to get the fairly high
quality sound onto the television transmitters (you can hear a BIG difference
between when a band is playing live and when someone's "mouthing it" to a 
recording).

	With this in mind, perhaps you might consider a wireless system (what 
kind of budget are you dealing with?) - perhaps even renting such a system.
There are a few businesses in my general area that deal with mobil sound).
Either that or is there any way you can pull some kind of a wagon around with
you that will carry a larger speaker system (that is, larger than a pignose)?
Perhaps you could play acoustically while marching and then plug something in 
when you stop to do a special number?

	I remember Joe Jazniewski (are you 'round here Joe?) talking about
using a car battery with a car system amplifier.  It sounded like a decent idea,
but I don't know if it was ever implemented.

	Just some thoughts...

	Dan

2189.4sounds like we're trying to kill a gnat with a maulCSOA1::SCHAFERBrad - boycott hell.Mon Dec 04 1989 14:2232
    Well, so far I hear you wanting to do this:

	o  play a DrumKAT controller
	o  drive a Roland R8
	o  amplify the R8 using some kinda amp

    Assuming you go for the obvious solution (e.g., Fender Twin-on-a-cart)
    or something like that, you're gonna have at *least* 3 things that
    require power, unless the Kat and the R8 can be run off batteries. 

    From the sounds of .0, you're going to be fairly stationary *while
    playing* - I understood you to say that you:

	a) march somewhere (not playing)
	b) stop marching and play
	c) stop playing and march somewhere else

    If this is so, it might be possible to just put all the stuff that
    requires AC power on a cart of some sort with a power strip & an
    extension cord ... then when you get to a stopping place, send a gopher
    out to find a receptacle somewhere (most malls have *lots* of 'em). 

    Of course, if you want to march/move while you're playing, just
    ignore me.

    I would avoid the remote xmitscenario, unless you have modo bux; even
    renting these things can be quite expensive (unless you can get a local
    music store to provide them free for advertising purposes ... hmmm). 

    And thanks for the kudos.

-b