Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    You'll get your ful 16 note polyphony.
    
    Polyphony is a function of the SGU portion of a synth, not the
    keyboard.
    
    Edd

    Edd's right.  The ESQ keyboard can put out as many notes as you can
    hold down at a time - the internal synth will only play 8 at a time. 

    As for comparable SGUs, I got a Kurzweil 1000PX from Rice Music in
    Colorado Springs for $600.  You may want to give them a call at
    800-444-RICE, & ask for Dan.  Dunno if they have any left or not. Last
    I heard they were trying to get a few more. 

-b

      Thanks for the replys so far. I'm glad I can get 16 voice out
      of the ESQ-1.
    
    re. .2   I called Dan he said the the Kurzweil deal is said and
    done. He told me he has the 1000PX+ for $1300.00. It has the 
    same sounds as the 1000PX and an additonal sound bank A? included.
    Out of my price range though.
    
    	Does any one know where I could find one of these 1000PX's.
    From your reply Brad it looks like it's a better deal/sound then
    the Roland.  The store that I'm looking at this P-330 said they only
    have one left and are not getting any more. I called a couple of
    music stores in Ma. and Conn. looking for the P-330, no luck.  
    I also called Sam Ash and they told me you can't mail order Roland
    products. 
    
    	Now I don't know what to do.  Wait to see if I could find a
    1000PX or just go for the P-330. Do Wa Do Wa
                                                

    
    
    Rice has 1 1000HX (horn expander) and 1 1000GX (guitar expander) left 
    going for $600 ea. Guitar Center bought most of Kurzweil's 1000xx 
    inventory and I believe they may have a couple left selling for $699, 
    you will have to try the various Centers in CA cause they don't 
    communicate well with each other and have given me incorrect info 
    about stock/prices at the other stores. Have found about 6 1000px's 
    at other mail order outlets but these stores are holding out at $1600+.
    A Chicago Guitar Center should be receiving a 1000PX repair shortly.
    
    
    Mark

	The P-330 is basically the same as Rolands MKS-20, RD200, RD300, etc.
It is not a sampled piano, like the Kurzweil.

	The best thing about Roland's pianos is their electric piano sounds.  I
have not heard ANY synth have as nice and warm and clear a Rhodes sound as this.
It has an onboard chorus that completes the sound perfectly.  I think I'd even
take this rhodes sound over a DX7's.

	The acoustic pianos are good, but not the best.  They have served me 
well (I have an RD200) but I have felt that it lacks a bit in the mid-range.  
I'm not sure if the P330 has programmable EQ like the MKS-20 does, but that 
would help.  Also, while it does have stereo outputs, it doesn't pan across
the stereo field the way a Kurzweil would.

	Dan

    Re: .4  Mark, would you be able to supply me with phone numbers
    for the CA based Guitar Centers. Directory assistance is impossible
    these days.
    
    Re: .5 Dan, The P330 does have programable EQ. "Panning across the
    stereo field", I'm not sure I know what that means and whether I
    need that feature.
    
    Question,Questions,Questions,
    
    Does the Kurzweil 1000PX offer the same sounds as the PC330, the
    same number of voices, and the "warm electric sounds" you discribed.
    Is the 1000PX rack mountable ?
    
    If you had to choose between the 1000PX at say $700.00 or the P330
    at $600.00, which would you choose?  
                                         
    Thanks for the replies...
    Rick L.
    

RE < Note 2135.6 by COGVAX::LABAK >

>    Re: .5 Dan, The P330 does have programable EQ. "Panning across the
>    stereo field", I'm not sure I know what that means and whether I
>    need that feature.

	I mean it won't give you the high notes  on one side and as you 
gradually go down the keyboard pan the notes across to the other side.  The
Kurzweil does this in a patch aclled "Stereo Wide Piano" (I think).

>    Does the Kurzweil 1000PX offer the same sounds as the PC330, the
>    same number of voices, and the "warm electric sounds" you discribed.

	The Kurzweil has no electric piano to equal Roland's.  For that matter,
I know of no other instrument that equals that particular rhodes patch as found 
on the Roland.

>    Is the 1000PX rack mountable ?

	Yes.

>    If you had to choose between the 1000PX at say $700.00 or the P330
>    at $600.00, which would you choose?  

	It really depends.  I'm in no hurry to get rid of the Roland piano I 
have.  I'd actually prefer to have both - the great smaples of the Kurzweil
and the great Rhodes of the Roland.  There's no doubt, though, that the Kurzweil
is a better 'bang for the buck'.  You get a lot more out of it than just a great
piano, you get lots of other samples that are first rate (and some dogs, too).
If you had to have only one, and a rhodes patch was not necessary, I'd go for 
the Kurzweil without blinking an eyelash.

	Dan
                                         

    I've been planning on getting a sampler, perhaps a Roland S-550.
    For that reason, I haven't been considering modules such as the
    Kurzweil 1000 series or P330, figuring I'd get the piano and
    everything else acoustic that I'd need (except percussion) from
    the sampler. An execellent acoustic grand piano sound is very
    important to me, so, just considering the piano sounds, would the
    Kurzweil or P330 stack up better than the S-550? I've been staying
    out of the Kurzweil frenzy, but I'm wondering if I should jump in -
    it seems like they are going fast (gone?).
    
    Thanks! Bill

    
>    Re: .4  Mark, would you be able to supply me with phone numbers
>    for the CA based Guitar Centers. Directory assistance is impossible
>    these days.
    
re .6 Rick,

Here is the list of Guitar Center phone numbers, I believe that the Burbank, 
Sherman Oaks and Covina stores were expecting some last minute 1000PX units
and as of last week I received a call from one of the above stores and they 
had at least one in stock. More info on the 1000PX can be found in note:
1066   ACORN::BAILEY   15-DEC-1987   165  Kurzweil 1000PX Sampled Sound Module

PS: Best price on the 1000PX+ (w/sound block A and K1000 interface) from
$1395 to $1695, but was able to negotiate for $995!, no tax!! from
Hollywood Center!!! $^)

Minneapolis	- 2059 N. Snelling, Roseville, MN  55113	  (612) 631-9424
Chicago		- 3228 Clark St., Chicago, ILL 60657 		  (312) 327-5687
Chicago		- 8250 S. Cicero Ave., Burbank, ILL 60459	  (312) 422-1400
Chicago		- 5820 N. Milwaukee, Chicago, ILL 60646		  (312) 774-4300
California	- 7425 Sunset Blvd., Hollywood, CA 90046	  (213) 874-1060
California	- 14760 Ventura Blvd., Sherman Oaks, CA 91403	  (818) 990-8332
California	- 1101 N. Azusa Ave., Covina, CA 91722		  (818) 967-7911
California	- 1515 N. Main St., Santa Ana, CA 92701		  (714) 547-6655
California	- 16615 Hawthorne Blvd., Lawndale, CA 90260	  (213) 542-9444
California	- 6533 El Cajon Blvd., San Diego, CA 92115	  (619) 583-9751
California	- 1563 Mission Blvd., San Francisco, CA 94103	  (415) 626-7655
California	- 3430 Stevens Creek Blvd., San Jose, CA 95117	  (408) 249-0455
California	- 1801 San Pablo, Oakland, CA 94612		  (415) 444-7625


Mark_in_grand_piano_heaven
    

    Gad - I've started someone else down this rathole ...

    The Kurzweil acoustic piano is far superior to the Roland.  The Roland
    can play 16 simultaneous notes, the Kurzweil 24.  The Roland can
    respond to ??? simultaneous channels, the Kurzweil 16.  The Kurzweil
    has dynamic voice allocation, the Roland [does/doesn/t?]. 

    The Roland Rhodes smokes.  The Kurzweil sux.  But the Kurzweil does
    great strings and organs (and a few others).  The Roland doesn't. 

    If you're going to get a Kurzweil, you'd better follow Mark's advice
    and get one quick, because they're going quick (almost gone). 

RE: S550 vs 1000PX

    I doubt that you'll ever find a better piano in a sampler than you'll
    find in the 1000PX.  Kurzweil sunk big bux into that puppy, and it
    sounds like it.  My gripes in 1066 notwithstanding, it blows any other
    "reproduction" I've heard away. 

    A sampler is more flexible.  But if the goal is solely a great piano,
    the Kurzweil is the better buy, IMO.

-b

     Boy am I glad I asked this question.  I have deceided to look closer
    at the 1000PX or the 1000PX+.
    
    Re: .10 Mark, thanks for the phone numbers. The way I'm looking at
    it now though is... Why pay $695.00 for a 1000PX when "maybe" I
    can get a 1000PX+ (W/sound block A and K1000 interface) for $995.
    Is there an availability problem with the 1000PX+ also?
    
    Re: .11 Brad, You changed my way of thinking. The KURZWEIL looks like
    the better "bang for the buck" and would give me other sounds that
    I could use.  
    
    Now comes the hard part. Finding one at the right price. 
    Thanks again
    Rick L. 
           

    
    Re .12  Rick,
    
    > Is there an availability problem with the 1000PX+ also?
    
    I am not aware of an availability problem with the 1000PX+ as these
    units were not phased out as were the PX, HX and GX modules.
    
    >               ... Why pay $695.00 for a 1000PX when "maybe" I
    >can get a 1000PX+ (W/sound block A and K1000 interface) for $995.
    
    That's what I said! My contact at the Hollywood Center is Randy in 
    Keyboards dept.
    
    
    Mark

...and if  you don't find a 1000xx, look into the Roland U110 for around
     $700.  It  offers  similar functionality.  Definitely better than a
     P330 for the bux.

/Mitch

    I recently sold my K1000 (PX1000 w/a keyboard) and REALLY MISS IT!
    I'm waiting for the Korg T-series, but my opinion (like many others
    here, it seems!) is that the Kurzweil acoustic piano is one of the
    best samples out there.  I have *no* good piano available to me
    at present, I'm just praying that the KORG T-whatever will keep
    me satisfied as far as piano sound goes (I sold the Kurzweil and
    buy the T-whatever for a variety of reasons).  The PX1000 (K1000)
    has GREAT strings, choir, organs, upright bass, clarinet, and some
    OK horns.  Nice, clean/clear/relatively noise-free sound, too. 
    I'm not familiar with the Roland stuff so can't compare 'em ...
    
    -Jim

RE < Note 2135.14 by HPSRAD::NORCROSS "They said it couldn't be done." >

>...and if  you don't find a 1000xx, look into the Roland U110 for around
>     $700.  It  offers  similar functionality.  

	But if you're looking for a good piano (good enough for solo work), you
may be disappointed in the one in the U110.  It had unnatural sustain 
charecteristics to my ears.  I liked my Roland RD200 piano better (and I'm under
no delusion that Roland's SA acoustic piano is that great).

	Dan

    I have an RD-300 (essentially a P-330 but in a keyboard),
    an Ensoniq SQ-80 (a 1+ of the ESQ-1) and a Roland S-550 sampler.
    
    On the issue of whether or not you should get a sampler.
    
    If you have to have a great piano sound at the expense of other
    sounds, your better off with the Kurzy, or the Roland P-330.
    
    I think the only real advantage the P-330 has over the Kurzy is
    the Rhodes sound that Dan Eaton mention.  It *IS* superlative
    and I couldn't get buy without it.  The Kurzy version of the Rhodes
    seems almost cheesey to me - I think there have been better imitations
    even on much older stuff like the venerable Yamaha DX7.
    
    Roland DOES have some EXCELLENT piano samples for the S-550 (as well
    as some excellent Rhodes samplers) but while they SOUND as much like
    a piano, they don't PLAY as much like a piano.
    
    That is, play one note on the S-550 and it might sound even better
    than the P-330 because it IS an EXACT sample of a piano.
    
    However, play a bit on it, and you will find that it doesn't respond
    to your playing the way a piano would.  My understanding is that
    the P-330 uses a technique called Structural Adaptive Synthesis to
    apply algorithms that contain knowledge of how pianos respond to
    various things (I'm not sure what performance aspects the P-330 
    knows about.)  It has some special signal adaptions that the general
    purpose sampler doesn't have.

    On a different note, I recently made an experiment 
    I wish I had made years ago.  You may find this interesting if you
    end up going with the P-330.

    I took my ESQ-1 on vacation with me to do some composing.  I wrote
    this piano comp that actually sounded pretty good on the ESQ.
    I couldn't wait to get home and transfer that track to use the
    RD-300 as that has a much better piano sound as the ESQ.

    When I got home and tried it, the RD sound just didn't really "work"
    for the piece.  There was something about the ESQ PIANO1 sound that
    seemed important to me.

    I would describe the ESQ piano sound as being significantly more
    "sonorous" and "voicey" (if only there were a good way to define
    these adjectives we use to describe sound) and that quality
    really appealed to me.

    So what I did was layer the ESQ-1 piano sound with the RD-300
    but I took the attack portion of the ESQ sound off (it's sorta
    "clinkey" (oh not ANOTHER sound adjective) and used the extra OSC to
    to double the sustain portion (but slightly detuned).

    Oh yeah, I also cut the filter back a bit because the ESQ-1's highs
    were a bit too intrusive on the RD's for my tastes.

    So what I ended up with is a sample that is a bit more like the
    Kurzweil piano.   The Roland pianos are sort of less "woody"
    (sorry) than the Kurzweil and I think that's what makes the Kurzy
    sound a bit better (to my ears) than the Rolands.  But using the
    ESQ to get some motion into the sustain portion seems to work
    really well.   I was really happy.

    It's something to try when you get it all home and set up.

    	db

    I have a couple of ESQ-Ms and it's piano isn't bad. Whenever I get
    a sampled piano (1000PX, S550, or whatever) I'll have to try layering/
    combining the piano sounds with the ESQ piano.
    
    I hope to make the big plunge into drum machine and sample module
    real soon, and definitely by the end of this year.
    
    I just have to get out and hear some modules real soon. I'd like
    to hear the 1000PX, but I guess that may be difficult, as there
    may not be any in stock around the Worcester area.
    
    I'm finding this topic very helpful! Thanks!
    
    Bill

RE: .17

    You *are* going to post definitions for all these terms in the
    glossary, aren't you?

8-)

>    the P-330 uses a technique called Structural Adaptive Synthesis to
>    apply algorithms that contain knowledge of how pianos respond to
>    various things (I'm not sure what performance aspects the P-330 
>    knows about.)  It has some special signal adaptions that the general

    I have the newer version of the RD300 (the RD300S), so I'm not sure
    whether it is the same in all respects to P-330, RD300 etc. A couple of
    things that I have noticed are:

    1) When the soft pedal is depressed, the sound gets not only softer,
       but mellower, just like a real piano. It is probably just velocity 
       translation, but I'm not sure. I think there may be a bit of
       filtering going on as well. 
    
    2) A very subtle enlargement of the sound when the sustain pedal is
       used. After some on & off-line discussion with KM, it appears that
       this is probably produced by using spare "voices" (what ever that
       means with SAS) to create a doubling effect. It doesn't really stand
       out, but if you do a side by side comparison to a sampler, you may
       notice the difference. (Karl had never noticed this effect in the
       MKS-20, so there is slight possibility that this was introduced in
       the RD300S and it's smaller brother (RD250S?). It's more likely that
       I am exaggerating the effect.)



    Greg.

    re: .17
    
    > You *are* going to post definitions for all these terms in the
    > glossary, aren't you?
    
    What definitions?  If I had definitions for those terms, I'd probably
    substitute the definition for every use of the term!
    
    I'm always pulling my hair out reading the reviews of 3rd party
    patches in the Transoniq Hacker.  "This bank contained some of
    the 'wooliest' organ sounds we've heard."
    
    How the heck am I supposed to know whether or not "that organ sound"
    I'm looking for is a "wooly" organ sound.
    
    ;-)
    
    re: .20
    
    The only difference between the 300s and the 300 is the keyboard.
    
    There are however some differences between the 300, the MKS-20
    and the P-330 but I think they are enhancements in control, not
    sound quality.
    
    The MKS-20 let's you fine tune the sound with various controls.
    The big difference between the MKS-20 and the P-330 as I understand
    it is that the P-330 has a MIDI overflow mode, which allows you
    to use several P-330s [and ONE MKS-20 if you like] to obtain more
    polyphony.
    
    	db

     Well, I called most of the Guitar Centers listed in the previous
    notes, no 1000PX's to be found. While I was on the phone I asked
    if they had any 1000PX+ in stock, some said they did or could order
    it. I got prices from $2300.00 to $1150.00. Ok, before I order one
    of these I have to hear it. Well I couldn't find a 1000PX or a plus
    in the Worcester area.  Acton Music had a 1000PX so I drove there
    to listen to it.  
    
     To be honest, I wasn't all that impressed.  It had a great piano
    sound but the strings weren't clean, bass and flute were ok. I 
    thought I would be more "amazed" then I was. Now maybe if you tweek
    some of the paramater or whatever, you can get the sound you want.
    But I'm not into programming or editing to much. I'd much rather
    push the preset buttons and away I go. 
    
     While I was playing a guy walked into the keyboard area and started
    playing one of the keyboards.  Some of the sounds he was getting
    out of it (come to find out it was the KORG M1)were great. Granted,
    it didn't have the piano sound the 1000px did, but the flutes,horns,
    basses,drums,strings and mellow piano sounds sounded excellent.
    I haven't looked in this conferance for info on the M1, but I
    certainly will.  
                                                  
    The bottom line is .. the availablity of the 1000PX is not good.
    The 1000PX+ can be had for about $1200.00.  At that price "bang
    for my buck" may just go to the Korg M1R (sound module of the M1)
    but I have to listen to the Proteus first. Boston here I come.
    Forgot, M1R $1495.00 at Sam Ash. Maybe $1100.00 in 6 months????
           
    Rick L.

    I dug out my Keyboard issue from August of '88 which reviewed digital
    pianos. It stated that the 1000PX gave you some very realitic pianos.
    It stated in the same article that in their opinion, nobody gets
    closer to the sound of an acoustic piano than the KORG C-5000 and
    C-7000. Back then they listed for $2,895 and $3,695 respectively.
    However, for a lot less money you can get a Korg P3 piano module.
    
    Does anyone own, or has anyone tried one of these? They listed back then
    for $595. Keyboard said that the P3 prototype that they heard sounded
    excellent. (That was back at the NAMM show in January of '88).
    
    Bill

Dig through note 1642.  The P3 is an O3 with piano-only (2) samples.   A
similar option is an O3 $139 from Sam Ash if they still have them, with the
Piano ROM card. $80.00  I like the P3 Piano-1, but neither unit will change
brightness with velocity.

	Eirikur

    I came across what I consider to be an excellent grand piano patch this
    weekend, it should satisfy my current acoustic piano needs - I still need a
    good Rhodes though. I have listened to a lot of sampled pianos lately,
    including the one on the Kurzweil 1000 PX, and this one sounds to my ears
    better than all the piano sounds that I've heard, except perhaps the
    Kurzweil. I won't say it's as good as the Kurzweil, I'd have to hear them
    side by side. It may be as good though, albeit in a different way, as this
    is not a sampled piano that I found ...

    I found it on my ... ESQ-M. Don't laugh - with a touch of reverb, it's
    hard to tell it from the real thing. Even without reverb it's hard to
    tell it from the real thing. It seems to respond well to velocity, which
    some of the sampled sounds I have heard lately don't.
    It's on a patch REP3_3.MDX bank that's out in the area:

           DYO780::DISK$USER05:[MIDILIB.PATCHES.ESQ.MDX]

    It's in IBM format and this file will have to be transferred to your ESQ from
    an IBM compatible via ESQBANK.

    The patch is 001, and I believe the name is ACGD01 or something like that.
    This bank, by the way, has several piano patches, some are Rhodes-like
    and aren't bad.

    I got these banks originally from Brad when I bought his ESQ-M last Spring,
    and I think that you can copy the 1st 20 patches from MDX files into the
    ESQ-M using ESQUIZIT on the Atari. I believe that I tried this and it
    worked. The second 20 don't make it using ESQUIZIT.

    This will get you the piano patches which are patches 001 through ???.

    I went through these patches the last couple of weekends, and pulled out
    about 40 string patches, and several piano patches. I was looking mainly
    for string patches at the time, but came up with a few other gems, like
    the piano.

    I'd be interested in hearing someone else's opinion on this patch. This
    patch is clean (no grunginess at all) and sounds great, but I know that
    this is also my subjective opinion.

     Bill

RE: .25

    ESQuizit gets the first 20 out of MDX banks.

    As for an ESQ piano patch, the best I've ever heard is the Voice
    Crystal I patch set (STEIN and WAY).  Easily as good as anything I've
    heard out of the P3 or RD/MKS type Roland pianos.  But they ain't
    free ...

    If it weren't for the grunge factor and the inability to load new
    waveforms, I think the ESQ stuff would be still be a hot ticket.

-b

    RE: .26
    
    I know this is all relative, but I have that Voice Crystal (1) set,
    and the one on REP3_3 sounds much better to me. The Voice Crystal one
    does sound good, but the one on REP3_3 sounds cleaner to me, and does
    not have any grunge that I could detect. It not only sounds cleaner,
    it sounds more like a real piano, to me anyway. Now the Rhodes that's
    on the ESQ-M DOES sound grungy, which is why I'm still looking for a
    Rhodes. I have 2 or 3 ESQ Rhodes patches, and they all have this fuzzy
    distorted sound.
    
    Bill

    Well, to each his own, I suppose.  As for a Rhodes, have you tried
    DIGPNO?  Not a true repro (and Blickstein hates it 8-), but it's a
    great (albeit overused) sound. 

-b

    First - the bank with that piano patch is REP3_1 (not REP3_3 - sorry).
    I went home and did a listening comparison last night between the
    WAY patch (of STEIN WAY) and ACGRD1 in REP3_1. The 2 patches are
    really different, and it could depend on what sound you are trying
    to get. The WAY patch has a sharper attack and is a bit brigther
    than ACGRD1. WAY was harder to control with velocity - it reminded
    me a lot of the KORG P3 where you can't really control the attack.
    You can control WAY more than you can control the P3, but it seems
    more difficult to create different nuances with WAY than with ACGRD1.
    
    The sharper attack of WAY also seems to introduce a touch of grunge,
    a bit of fuzziness, although this might only be picked up in a solo
    piano passage.
    
    ACGRD1 has a lighter feel, it doesn't have the automatic hammer
    action that WAY seems to have. This seems to avoid the slight grunge
    that WAY has. I would say that ACGRD1 has crisper attacks on the
    low end (and cleaner) than WAY, and WAY has crisper attacks on the
    high end, but introduces a bit of grunge wiht this.
   
    Bill

    > As for a Rhodes, have you tried  DIGPNO?  Not a true repro (and 
    > Blickstein hates it 8-), but it's a great (albeit overused) sound.
    
    Actually it's a "love/hate" thing.
    
    What I hate is using it so much, but god,.. it seems like it's
    appropriate for just about everything.   It showed up on about 5
    different people's Commusic III submissions!!!!
    
    Actually, to my ears, it's not really a "real Rhodes" imitation
    so much as a "FM Rhodes" imitation.  "FM Rhodes is that classic
    DX7 sound that showed up on so many top-40 records back in the mid
    80's.
    
    It's the principle harmonic part on just about EVERY Whitney Houston 
    ballad ("Didn't We Almost Have It All" and "The Greatest Love of All"
    for example).
    
    	db

    RE: DIGPNO - Are you talking about the DIGPNO on the Voice Crystal 1
    cartridge? I tried that out last night and the patch that I have has
    sort of a string layer sound to the piano. I wonder if I have a bad
    cartridge, as a couple of the patches on the cartridge seem to have gone
    south on me - bizarre de-tuning has shown up on a couple of them.
    
    I'll have to restore the original Voice Crystal 1 bank that I saved when
    I first got the cartridge, and see if the DIGPNO sounds like what
    you're referring to here.
    
    Thanks!
    
    Bill

    Bill,
    
            DIGPNO was one of the 40 original stock patches on the ESQ-1 as
    it came from the factory. I've since upgraded to the SQ-80 and since
    ESQ-1 patches play on SQ-80's , I just copied it to the SQ-80. AND...
    
    I STILL USE THIS PATCH ON GIGS ! ! !  (but just for 1 tune)
    
    Frank
    

    Thanks for the pointer - will check that out tonight!

    Bill

    I tried out DIGPNO last night, and it is a good patch, but
    unfortunately isn't the sound I'm looking for. What I'd really like
    is a cleaned up version of the Rhodes patches that I have in my
    ESQ library - they all sound about the same - a real mellow sound,
    nice, but very fuzzy.
    
    To be fair about the ACGRD1 patch in REP3_1 - it's really nice,
    and very usable, but if you listen hard you can detect a slight
    bit of fuzz especially on sharp attacks - but really not bad at
    all.
    
    Well, thanks!
    
    Bill

If someone gets a change, maybe they could post a patch-sheet version of 
this new EQS piano patch that you all seem to like..

					-Jeff (with no mass storage on his ESQ)

    Jeff,
    
    I think I'm the only one who is using this patch from what I gather.
    I'll try to post the hardcopy as soon as I get some free time at
    home to look at it (hopefully this week sometime).
    
    Bill

Sam Ash is selling the P330 for $329.95.  I'm a guitarist looking to pick 
up keyboard skills.  Is this an instrument for an experienced musician/novice 
keyboardist to learn on?

Mike

    re: .37 
    
    From your message I get the impression that you might not be aware that
    the P-330 is a rack-module - no keyboard.
    
    $329 seems like a really good deal however.
    
    	db

Oooops...Guilty as charged...Boyoboy, would *I* have been surprised when I 
opened the box!

The search goes on...at the risk of rat-holing this topic, I'd like a 
keyboard that has full-size keys, is the size of a piano keyboard (88 
keys?) or close...I think MIDI would be nice...velocity-sensitive, too.  

Any pointers?

Mike

    Rich the prophet ... &*}

    Seriously, try looking under keywords PIANO or GETTING_STARTED. If you
    don't want to burn CPU cycles (and net time) waiting on the lookup, you
    can always peek in the DIRECTORY topic (2 or 3, I forget now). There's
    a "DIR by Keyword" topic that should get you where you want to go. 

-b (co-mod)