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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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2079.0. "HELP on Workstations!!!" by DGOIS1::DROMIGNY (World Wildlife Fund - Safari lover) Mon Aug 14 1989 13:32

    I have been playing piano and organ for years (classical, jazz, pop),
    and I would now like to record my own compositions with a MIDI studio.
    I already have a four-tracks tape recorder and a six channel mixer.

    But musical synthesis world is a jungle! I'd like to buy a machine able
    to create sounds, to sample, to sequence rythms, to generate effects,
    and not to complicated (I want to play music before all!).

    I recently heard of the new concept of musical worksation, what is it?
    is it what I need ? Which one is the best, etc...

    Sorry to be a little inquisitive about it, but I was one of the acoustic
    world... 
                                                         
    Thank you for help
    regards

    A poor lonesome frenchman,
    Bruno D.
    
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2079.1good luck!SWAV1::STEWARTThere is no dark side of the moon...Tue Aug 15 1989 18:2314
	If you've got no gear at all then a workstation might be a good
	choice.  If you can find copies of Electronic Musician magazine
	you can learn a lot from the equipment reviews.  For example, I
	just read a review of the new Roland W-30 workstation that makes
	it sound as though it could fulfill your requirements.  If you
	can't find that magazine, the members of this conference are more
	than willing to share their opinions...*8') 

	If you haven't had a lot of experience with this technology I
	would recommend reading every MIDI thing you can get your hands
	on before you commit your hard-earned francs. 

	John
2079.2W-30 is REAL NEAT, but 2 men E $$ 4 MEMRSVAX::MISKINISTue Aug 15 1989 19:484
    I have a W-30 brochure if anyone wants to look at it.  I'm in
    MR01 (Marlboro Mass)...
    
    _John_
2079.3Why I don't like workstationsCSC32::MOLLERNightmare on Sesame StreetWed Aug 16 1989 15:5069
	The problem that I have with workstations are:

	1) Single Manufacturer for all parts (you get only what they
	   have available, or decide to put into it).

	2) Limited future (What if it doesn't sell well, or after a
	   while, a new, but incompatable product replaces it?).

	3) Can't change anything (All you get is what they give you).

	4) What If you want to get somthing new (Now, all your work may
	   be lost, or you may not be able to salvage much of it).

	I have an ESQ-1 & it's a good machine, Has a fair sequencer &
	some really good sounds. Ensoniq pretty much started the workstation
	trend & while it's a good concept, I don't use the sequnencer
	much in the ESQ-1 (I use another sequencer to work on & then
	just download to the ESQ, it's much simpler for me).

	I do have a 6 high rack & I consider that more of a workstation
	environment, as it contains replaceable & upgradable parts (more
	like a component sterio system is upgradable - For example, why
	buy something with a turntable if you really only play CD's and
	tapes). In it, I have a Sequencer (MMT-8), a multi-timbral SGU
	(MT-32 & occasionally a D-110), a MIDI-DISK unit (can save most
	SYSEX messages), a MIDI MERGER/ROUTER/PROCESSOR (MX-8), 2 4 channel
	mixers (Cheap Radio Shack units bolted to the top, next to the
	sequencer, which is also bolted in place), an Analog delay unit,
	a digital DELAY/PROCESSOR (REX-50) and a cheap (Radio Shack) 
	parametric equaliser. I still have 3 rack spaces open (Planning
	on adding a D-110 as a permanent addition - currently, I only
	borrow one when I need it & I also want a rack mount sterio mixer 
	for everything that's better quality than what I currently use).

	These are used for my studio work & Live performances & there are
	bits & pieces for VOCAL as well as synthesis. It's all pre-wired
	and re-configurable (MX-8 lets me do this on the fly, or can be
	done manually). I can add or subtract anything that I need & I've
	changed it 5 or 6 times since January of this year. I use either
	the ESQ-1 or a CZ-101 for data entry & I have the MX-8 cabled so that
	it can drive the ESQ-1 (used for loading patches/sequencer) as well
	as anything in the rack. I also have a spare 6 high rack that
	will eventually hold PA and other MIDI gear.

	I think that you'll find that no matter what you get in a 'combined
	workstation' that you'll start wanting to add things, or
	change things within the first 6 months of it's use. The ability
	of MIDI to mix & match is simply too powerful to limit yourself
	to a single manufacturer. There is nothing wrong with the concept,
	it's not unlike the concept of VAXstations. The biggest issue
	that I have is potentially getting stuck with a system that has 
	no future or a limited future, is crippled in some way (mediocre
	sequencer, mediocre digital effects, etc), or will be eclipsed by 
	something better in the near future. 

	There are people out there that may disagree, but, I don't think 
	that there is a single solution for everyone & you have think about
	what you want to do before buying anything (this MIDI stuff is
	quite addictive & there seems to no cure beyond self re-straint).
	The biggest advantage its that it has enough to start working with,
	but you will most likely grow out of it.

	As a side note, I don't have time to work much on creating patches,
	as I'd rather make music. Some multi-timbral SGU's don't easily
	allow you to change sounds & in my case (MT-32) that's not an
	issue, I just use whats available to me. It seems to to work for
	me (now it I could only get a rack mount CZ module...).

							Jens
2079.4NORGE::CHADWed Aug 16 1989 16:369
Even though my circumstances are much different then Jens', I agree with his
ideas.  I do however feel a workstation could be useful to the composer/musician
who wants something to take to the Cape/Hawaii/country to do brainstorming
type work or whatever when not in the main studio (when away).

Chad

also, many of Jen' ideas apply to non workstations.  Upgrading components
can also leave incompatibility in its wake, etc.
2079.5Less FillingDREGS::BLICKSTEINConliberativeThu Aug 17 1989 13:2133
    Workstations are also wonderful for gigging. 
    
    My SQ-80 serves as my keyboard, sequencer, data storage, system
    controller, and configuration manager (it sends the proper patch
    change information to everything in the system for each song).
    
    Think of what I'd have to do if I didn't have everything in
    the SQ-80:
    
    	o Buy a sequencer
    	o Buy more SGU's
    	o Buy a MIDI manager like the MX-8
    	o For each gig I'd have to disconnect the stuff, reconnect it
    	  at the gig, disconnect it after the gig, reconnect it back
    	  at my house
    	o I'd have to carry it all around
    	o I'd have to buy road cases for it
    	o I'd have to have to use more power cables, more audio cables
    	  and more MIDI cables, and probably more damn wall bugs and
    	  power strips (all this means more modes of failure, and more
    	  noise).
    	o I'd have more stuff to break/insure/fix/understand/etc.
        o I'd have to find more room (and power) on stage
    
    I also have a modular system to "extend" my SQ-80, but I still think
    that the way to start is to buy a workstation (SQ-80, ESQ-1, M-1, D-20,
    etc. etc.) and then start going modular.
    
    	db
    
    P.S. The SQ-80 is going to Martha's Vineyard with me next month too.
    It has a headphone output, so it is ALL I need to do substantial
    complete demos.