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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

2068.0. "Steinberg PRO24 Sequencer /Roland MT32 Question" by YIPPEE::FIROUZIAN (One bug leads to another.) Fri Aug 04 1989 07:46

    
    Hi,
    I need an advice:
    This is my config:
                         thru ------------------- in midi  Yamaha EMT 10       
                          out                     out
    		MT 32 midi in ------              thru     (ch 12)
                 (ch 2 to 10)      |
                                   |
    Atari   midi  in -----------   |
   (pro 24 v3)	 out --------- |   |
    	  (ch 1)	     | |   |
                            in out thru  
			Roland Juno II
                                (master kbd)
    
    I use pro 24 v3. I want to be able to play, while pro 24's running,
    in *two channels*: one on the MT 32, and one on the EMT10.
    On the pro 24, you can play  on one channel only, the one you set
    below the track number (or do I miss something?).
    The solution might be changing the MODE of the MT32 to OMNI ON/POLY
    and playing on channel 12. In this case, the EMT10 should play
    and the MT32 should also receive signals and play in the same time.
    
    But I didn't succeed in sending mode change signals to the MT32
    (machine stops, reboot!).   
    Is there a special way to do this, I mean another midi connection type
    or a special way of sending the Mode Change signal to the MT32???
    
    Thanks for any idea. Patrick.
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2068.1Layer or different parts?NRPUR::DEATONFri Aug 04 1989 13:3328
RE < Note 2068.0 by YIPPEE::FIROUZIAN "One bug leads to another." >

	Unless you want to have the EMT10 and the MT32 playing a layered
sound, you're probably out of luck.  You either need a keyboard that transmits
two MIDI channels or some software that takes a single midi channel transmission
and duplicates it onto another channel.

	If what you want is a layer (i.e., two patches playing the same notes - 
one on the MT32, one on the EMT10), you could easily get that by changing MIDI 
channels on either the MT32 or the EMT10 so that they match.

	Switching to OMNI ON/POLY may be o.k. if you're only wanting to play
one thing with on both synths, but if you're sequencing more than one part
(i.e. drums, bass, horns, etc.), then all channels on the MT32 are going to play
what is being transmitted from your keyboard.

	Are you playing out live or is this all studio work you're doing?  If
you're working only in a home studio situation, it's a simple matter of pressing
some buttons to get MIDI channels matching.  If you're playing out, you probably
don't want to be messing with complicated button-pushing on stage (I know I
wouldn't).  It is my understanding that the MT32 can use System Exclusive 
messages to duplicate anything you can do from the front panel (and more).  If 
that is so, and all you want is a layer, all you need to do is figure out the 
SysEx message for changing MIDI channels.  (There's a great comprehensive topic 
on programming the MT32 with SysEx somewhere in this conference).

	Dan
2068.2Set channel to NODRAKAR::HANNAWatch this spaceMon Aug 07 1989 07:1217
    The actual channel assigning must happen on the keyboard. PRO-24 will
    not split an incoming note off to two different midi channels but it
    can handle the reverse.

    If you set the channel number (below the track number) to NO (NO comes
    before 1, 2, 3 ..etc) then you can play on different midi channels at
    the same time. (NO means send to whatever channel the note is assigned
    to).

    I don't know the Juno II but you would need to split the keyboard into
    2 zones and assign midi ch. (2 to 10) in one and channel (12) to the
    other to get both instruments to play. If you're talking about layering
    the same sound then record it once and copy it.

    I've done this on my Elka and it works really well.

    Zayed