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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
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2062.0. "General Multitrack Recording Advice Sought" by GLORY::SCHAFER (Brad - banished to Michigan.) Mon Jul 31 1989 16:00

    Since most of the other recording discussion have degenerated into
    something other than recording, and since I'm now going to work with 8
    tracks ...
    
    When I was limited to 4 tracks, I used MIDI SGUs to get a clean base
    track and recorded that to stereo (including synth bass, drums, synth
    pads, etc), using the sequencer to 'mix' and remove nits.  All FX were
    recorded in line.  I then would go back thru and record acoustic or
    live instruments (piano, guitar, etc) and vocals (assuming that there
    were tracks left).
    
    Is there a problem using the above approach now that I have more tracks
    to play with?  Is there a trick to recording any specific instrument
    types?  Should FX be applied during the take or at mixdown?  Is
    track-bouncing to be avoided?  Is it a good or bad idea to record
    several instruments at a time?
    
    Another thing I've wondered about is the application of FX when
    recording.  Is it proper to apply a 'generic' effect (such as reverb)
    at mixdown time over and above other FX that may already be on tape? 
    For example, let's assume I've recorded a snare using a gated reverb
    (no comments, please).  Will applying a reverb to the mixdown screw up
    the sound of the gated snare?  Are there tricks to 'mixing down'?
    
    Any tips or pointers would be most appreciated
    
-b
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2062.1SALSA::MOELLERMean, with a large deviationMon Jul 31 1989 20:4162
    Brad,
    
    I use my 8track to record parts in several categories..
    
    o	part requires totally unique effect/EQ that would be otherwise
    	used in final mixdown (used for something else)
    
    o	part requires stereo
    
    o	part uses SO much sampler memory that it can't coexist with
    	other instruments in the sampler
    
    o	similarly, part uses so much polyphony that no other voices
    	will sound
    
    o	part COULD be played 'live' via MIDI during mixdown, but
    	a part that MUST be crisp (like drums) needs its own EQ/FX
    
    o	background parts - sweetener tracks, with low playback levels
    
    o	bass - most of the time it's just mono with no reverb/FX
    
    < Note 2062.0 by GLORY::SCHAFER "Brad - banished to Michigan." >

>Should FX be applied during the take or at mixdown?  
    
    Yes.. no rules.  If required (see above) I'll effect a part on its
    way to 8track... or sometimes (see above) record a part to 8track
    because I DON'T want any effect on it..
    
>    Is track-bouncing to be avoided?  
    
    Depends on your goal - creating a CD ?  No track bounce for you!
    
>    Is it a good or bad idea to record several instruments at a time?

    Once again, no rules.  I will certainly record several virtual
    instruments to one or two (for stereo) tracks, assuming that they
    work as a unit - remember, final mixdown fader motion affects them    
    all equally.

>Is it proper to apply a 'generic' effect (such as reverb)
    at mixdown time over and above other FX that may already be on tape? 

    Yes, I do it all the time.  Individual tracks and virtual MIDI
    instruments might have their own effects, and then I'll run everything
    (except bass) thru a common stereo reverb.
>        For example, let's assume I've recorded a snare using a gated reverb
>    (no comments, please).  Will applying a reverb to the mixdown screw up
>    the sound of the gated snare?  Are there tricks to 'mixing down'?

    Sometimes if I've applied a subtle echo to a track, I'll find that
    the echo disappears if I run the composite original-with-echo thru
    a reverb. 
    
    final note - I rarely put my basic tracks (except bass) onto 8track.
    I'd much rather have piano/drums etc. come directly off of the SGU's
    driven by the sequencer.. so once again, I put sweetener tracks
    on tape, and run rhythm/lead parts live.
    
    karl

2062.2watch the FSK issues when bouncing!SALSA::MOELLERMean, with a large deviationMon Jul 31 1989 20:4710
    Another thought - your Tascam 238 prolly has separate record/playback
    heads.  If you have an FSK sync track on track 8, and you do some
    bouncing, you have to take the aggregate time lag into account and
    do the bounce while in 'simul-sync' mode.  Else of course your newly
    recorded composite tracks now lag the FSK sync by 1/2 second.
    
    Sorry, I don't know what the Tascam folks call using the record
    head to monitor is called...
    
    karl
2062.3Patchbay?DYO780::SCHAFERBrad - back in Ohio.Tue Aug 01 1989 17:0618
2062.4patchbays 101SALSA::MOELLERMean, with a large deviationTue Aug 01 1989 17:2131
    Patchbay - made my studio LOTS friendlier.
    Normalized inputs :  If a signal from an SGU is normally going to
    go to a track in your mixer, you can wire it this way:
    
                     Side View
       BACK         +------------+     FRONT (outside of rack)
    Signal fr SGU>  =--          =  
                    |  |         |
                    |  |         |
    Signal to MIX<  =<-          =
                    +------------+
    
    .. and without plugging any cables in the front jacks, the SGU 
    signal will just go back out to your mixer channel.  but when you
    plug in patch cables in the front, it works like this :
                     Side View
       BACK         +------------+     FRONT (outside of rack)
    Signal fr SGU>  =----------->= > signal to effect unit 
                    |            |
                    |            |
    Signal to MIX<  =<---------- = < signal from effect unit
                    +------------+   interrupts normalled circ path
    
    .. so it interrupts the normal in-to-out connection on the back.
    Of course you can also just patch OUT on the front and take the
    signal somewhere else, in which case it is ALSO available at the
    normallized BACK OUT ("signal to mixer")..
    
    Clear, right ?
    
    karl
2062.5oh. now I don't understand.DYO780::SCHAFERBrad - back in Ohio.Tue Aug 01 1989 17:3835
2062.6You guys are amazing!KALLON::EIRIKURTue Aug 01 1989 18:176
    And here I was going to nominate Karl for an award for on-line ASCII
    graphics (really clear, Karl!), but before I get to it, Brad has
    responded in kind!
    
    	Eirikur
    
2062.7more patchbay foofrawSALSA::MOELLERMean, with a large deviationTue Aug 01 1989 18:5511
  pairs 1-8	  pairs 8-16         pairs 17-24      L  R
+---------------+-----------------+-----------------+-----+
|input from SGUs| output from 238 |outputs to 238   | o  o|from mixer
+---------------+-----------------+-----------------+-----+
	    |			|   ^^frontpatchcablesv v
    	    v			^   ||________________| |
    	    +------- 238 -------+   +-------------------+

    re .4 - I was only addressing your 'what is "normalled"' question.
    
    karl
2062.8Inspired by CDA, of course. 8-)DYO780::SCHAFERBrad - back in Ohio.Tue Aug 01 1989 21:213
    Thanks muchly.  I've got one on order now as we speak.

-b