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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
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1918.0. "Recommendation: Hardware Sequencer" by ZEKE::AV () Mon Feb 20 1989 17:54

    I am new to the MIDI scene and was hoping that someone could help
    me with some questions that I have pertaining to instrument 
    sequencing. A friend and I are planning to put together a MIDI act
    and perform at weddings.
    
    I own a Prophet 2000 and plan to trade my Oberheim DX drum machine
    for a MIDI compatible unit. Since I am not a great keyboardist,
    I would like to sequence the drums, most of the keyboards and bass
    and accompany them with guitars and vocals. As far as the bass goes,
    I guess I'll have to seek out a decent disc for the Prophet 2000.
    
    Here are my questions:
    
    What should I be looking for in a sequencer to link the keyboards
    and drum machine for 35-40 songs and how much should I expect to
    spend?
    
    Do I have to bring the drum machine to gigs and connect it to the
    sequencer, or does the sequencer actually record the sounds?

    How would I control the reverb level on individual drums while 
    performing?
    
    Any help would be greatly appreciated,
    Ross
    
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1918.1****************************************TYFYS::MOLLERHalloween the 13th on Elm Street #7Mon Feb 20 1989 18:2019
                      -< You picked a good place to ask >-

    You might want to look at the notes concerning the Alesis MMT-8, Roland
    MC-500, MIDI DJ and Yamaha QX sequencers. I use an MMT-8 & a Yamaha
    Midi Filer (uses 2.8 inch quick disks). You can do what you want using
    any of the previously mentioned sequencers & do a good job, however
    be well aware that you have to plan ahead when you use a sequenced
    song, as a sequencer is totally unforgiving if you get lost or make a
    severe mistake. This can take some getting used to.

    You might want to look at the D110 note (includes D10 & D20) as well as
    the MT32 note) since this sort of multi-timbral box might give you some
    insights on how to effectively look for a multi-timbral device (no
    matter what the brand).

    Send me some mail if you got any specific questions about my set up
    (I've put in a bunch of notes that describe it, scattered about
    COMMUSIC).
							    Jens
1918.2@&#^%WEFXEM::COTEI bought a guitar? Where's MIDI IN?Mon Feb 20 1989 18:288
    You will have to bring your drum machine to gigs. Sequencers don't
    record sounds, only MIDI commands.
    
    35-40 songs will mean you'll absotively need a disk drive, which
    eliminates most of the Yamaha QX series (although there is a drive
    available, but it won't hold an entire QX5 dump. Nice goin' Yamama..)
    
    Edd
1918.3Roland or KawaiSUBSYS::ORINA waist is a terrible thing to mindMon Feb 20 1989 18:438
I could recommend the Roland MC500 Mark II, but it is rather expensive. The
new SuperMRC software is incredible. They have a performance software
package that allows you to chain many songs together for live performing.
I think Guy Novello uses an MC500; Jens Moller too. Also, check out the
Kawai disk based sequencer (K300?) I forget the model number. It's much
less expensive.

dave
1918.4Pointers.DYO780::SCHAFERBrad - back in Ohio.Mon Feb 20 1989 18:5853
>sequencer

    Edd is right.  All that a sequencer does is record performance
    parameters - viz. values representing notes (which note, how hard it
    was hit) and controllers (sustain pedal, pitch bend, mod wheel) that
    you played during the recording process. 

    Assuming the following:

    	a) the Prophet 2000 is not poly-timbral (can only play 1 sound
	   at a time)

	b) you will be upgrading to a dedicated drum machine like an HR16 or
	   R8 instead of a composite unit (like a D110) that can do
	   drums and other sounds at the same time

	c) you are primarily interested in live performance, and have
	   no computer (like a Mac or Atari) at home

    You will probably want to look at picking up a Roland sequencer,
    specifically the MC300 or MC500.  I'm not sure what the going prices on
    these units are, although I would estimate somewhere between $900 to
    $1500.  Other units of note are the Yamaha QX3 and the Kawai Q80. 

    Another option might be to consider a synth with a built-in sequencer
    and disk drive; this would provide a sequencer and additional sound
    capabilities.  Examples include the Roland D20, the Ensoniq SQ80, and
    the Yamaha DS55 (?), DX7IIFD and VS80. 

>Mixing effects

    Most good mixers have several FX send/returns, and a per-send
    per-channel control over the amount of the effect.  Use these pots to
    control the amount of FX per channel.  Of course, if you have multiple
    FX units (such as 2 Quadraverbs), the issue becomes a bit more complex.
    Which FX units will affect which SGUs (Sound Generation Units)? 

Cross-references:

    Try doinga DIR/TITL="SEQUENCE" for related topics, or use product name
    to review aspects of a specific unit.  Make sure you don't use hyphens
    in the product name. 

    You may also want to check out topics 923 and 956 for glossaries of MIDI and
    PA terms, respeectively. 

    Finally, you may want to extract topic 2.2 (EXTRACT filename 2.2) and
    use the DCL SEARCH command instead of DIR/TITL= ... it's more
    efficient. 

    Good luck.

-b
1918.5MC500 for meCGVAX2::COREY_JMon Feb 20 1989 19:0112
    ROLAND MC_500 mkii is great (& pricee).  It has enough capacity
    to meet your needs.  It was available with single or dual disk drive.
    It is fast enought for live performance.
    
    Your sequencer will drive your drum machine. To adjust reverb levels
    during performance you will need a real time controller for stage
    or someone who will run your system while you play.
    
    If you were me, you'd put your order in for Emu Systems Proteus.
    Reference topic 1886 for more info.
    
    jo citizen
1918.6ATARI STSUBSYS::ORINA waist is a terrible thing to mindMon Feb 20 1989 19:346
Also consider the ATARI ST computer. The cost is about the same as the Kawai
sequencer, or a used MC500, and it can be used for other things such as
patch editor/librarian.

dave

1918.7Portable Atari-STMUNCSS::BURKETue Feb 21 1989 06:508
    re .-1
    
    Yes, consider the Atari-ST, especially since they're releasing the
    portable version ("Stacey") soon. It's definite - it's been seen.
    Apparently, it'll be available around May/June. There are several
    good sequencers for the ST, and it can do a lot more besides.
    
    Jim Burke