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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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Number of topics:2852
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1909.0. "Can Ibm Pc-Jr handle midi?" by WARLRD::SIMPSON () Mon Feb 13 1989 13:49

    Hello.
    
    I have checked through the notesfile and found several references
    to the Ibm Pc and midi.
    However I don't see where anyone has tried and succeeded or failed
    at using the Pc-Jr
    with midi.
    I have a friend who has several Pc-Jr's for sale at an incredible
    deal.  He offered to sell me one, but before I accept or decline,
    I wondered if any of the midi interfaces or the synth or sequencing
    software will work on a Pc-Jr.
    
    Any ideas or suggestions or success or failure stories would
    be appreciated.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Laurie
    
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1909.1There is s/w.TROA01::HITCHMOUGHMon Feb 13 1989 14:009
    I can't help with the interface issue, but I do know that Master
    Tracks Pro Jr (MTP is a fairly sophisticated sequencer) is available
    for the PC Jr, so I assume it works. Does the Jr accept standard
    IBM 8 bit cards? If so then maybe the MPU works.
    
    Hope this scant bit of info helps.
    
    Ken
    
1909.2Caveat EmptorPAULJ::HARRIMANRaised on Chemical BeefMon Feb 13 1989 15:0819

	There is indeed some software for the PC-Jr. 

	However, be warned that the manufacturer of the PC Jr. supports
	the product about as well as Digital is supporting the Rainbow.

	Any "deals" are probably due to the fact that the Employee purchase
	program for that company provided a $100. trade-in allowance for
	them. And a lot of those employees bought PC Jrs. 

	This info is from my wife, who sells PCs. The Jr is slow, unserviceable
	except from spare parts, and may be more trouble than it is worth
	for music applications requiring MIDI. It is NOT the same architecture
	as a PC (XT). 

	Hope this is helpful information.

	/pjh
1909.3You might want to think twice about that...MUSKIE::ALLENMon Feb 13 1989 15:0919
    Laurie:
    	I used to own a PCjr, and as I remember it does NOT accept standard
    8- or 16- bit cards.  This rules out MIDI interfaces like the ROLAND
    or VOYETRA.  Since there is a sequencer specifically written for
    the PCjr though, I would guess that folks are going through the
    serial port somehow to transmit and receive MIDI data.  You might
    try contacting MASTER TRACKS and finding out what they recommend.
    
    	Although this is not directly related to your question, I would
    suggest that unless you are getting the PCjr for next to nothing,
    you would be a lot better off spending a couple hundred more and
    getting a standard PC clone.  The range of software for MIDI processing
    open to you (not to mention games, WP and other stuff) will be MUCH
    larger.  In several ways that are to lengthy to go into here, the
    PCjr is really a "crippled" PC.  You will be severely limiting yourself
    in the future if you buy one.
    
    Clusters, 
    Bill Allen @MPO
1909.4Don't touch a PC jr with a 10 ft pole!MAY10::DIORIOTue Feb 14 1989 14:327
    
    I looked into a PC jr a couple of years ago. Forget it. It is a
    useless obsolete non-standard machine than is barely even supported
    by IBM. Don't waste your time or your money. A PC compatible clone
    is the way to go.
    
    Mike D
1909.5TROA01::HITCHMOUGHTue Feb 14 1989 15:2817
    RE:.0  Before we totally reject the thought of a PC Jr, maybe we need a
    definition of what an incredible deal is. It may be that for the
    price of a PC Clone could be had  a Jr and say an MT32.
    
    I agree with the comments that one should avoid it if possible,
    but that's fine for us sitting here with our MACs and ATs and lots
    of SGU's (I know, never enough). I got lots of pleasure out of a
    Apple II and one piece of s/w for several years. They didnt cost
    an arm and a leg and helped me figure out what I wanted to do
    eventually. So I say avoid the Jr if possible, but look at the whole
    picture of computer, s/w and Kbd/SGU and see what makes the most
    sense. If the Jr is cheap enough you could probably afford to throw
    it away in a year, or do what I did with my AppleII and convert
    it into a dedicated librarian/DD-5 controller!!
    
    Ken
    
1909.6Thanks, very much!!!WARLRD::SIMPSONTue Feb 14 1989 20:5014
    Thanks, guys.
    
    I really appreciate all the comments.  I told our friend that we
    were not interested.
    I think we'd really rather spend our money on an Ibm clone.  The
    deal wa we would get the Jr for about $400.  It slips my mind right
    now what all was included in the package, but we decided that we
    would save the $400 and wait for a good deal to come along on a
    Pc clone.
    
    Thanks again for all your helpful comments.
    
    Laurie
    
1909.7PAULJ::HARRIMANRaised on Chemical BeefWed Feb 15 1989 12:3414

	Well, for $400 you can do a *lot* better.

	Flipping through the current issue of PC Resource shows clone XT
	"turbo" systems with minimal memory and single floppy (and
	Herc monochrome graphics and a monitor) for $400-$600 depending
	on memory, and "bare-bones" prices as low as $200. These are
	*new* systems. Granted, the technology is not the latest, but if
	it's a cheap XT clone you're looking for, pick up a PC mag and peruse
	the latest prices. Your biggest cost will be memory, though, so be
	warned.

	/pjh