[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
Notice:Conference has been write-locked. Use new version.
Moderator:DYPSS1::SCHAFER
Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

1803.0. "Sansui 6 Track Cassette Recorder/Mixer" by FGVAXZ::MASHIA (We're all playing in the same band) Fri Dec 09 1988 12:43

    I was in The Music Workshop in Salem, NH last night, getting my
    HR16 repaired :-(.  I'm sorta in the market for a high end cassette
    multitrack, and inquired about a Tascam 246 they had on display.
    It was around $1400.
    
    The manager told me that if he were me, he'd wait a while, because
    Sansui (yes, Sansui!) was coming out 'real soon' with an *6* track
    cassette recorder, with an integral eight channel mixer, and built-in
    digital reverb, for around $1600.  
    
    Anybody else here 'bout this? 
    
    Rodney M.
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
1803.1Mixdown Deck On Board, TooAQUA::ROSTHum-dum-dinger from DingersvilleFri Dec 09 1988 17:086
    
    The Sansui has dual decks on board, one is a six track (non-standard
    format), the other a regular two-track for mixdown.  I've seen it
    in some catalogs but that's about it.  

  
1803.2A Few Flaws May Sink This OneAQUA::ROSTDWI,favorite pastime of the average guyWed Mar 22 1989 13:5018
    
    According to MUSICIAN magazine's NAMM report, the Sansui machine
    is not as hot as it could be.  The main drawbacks:
    
    	1.  The channel EQ is two band shelving, fixed frequencies.
     	    Ugh.

    	2.  There are two effects busses, but one is permanently tied
    	    to the onboard delay line.  Only one can patch to outside 
            effects.  
    
    	3.  The digital "reverb" is apparently only a delay line and
    	    the article called it "rudimentary".  A picture showed three
    	    selectable "modes".  Hmmm....
    
    The best feature is that it is a double well machine, so the mixdown
    deck is integral with the master deck.  Unclear if you could record
    direct to stereo using the mixdown deck only. List is $2000, BTW.
1803.3The MR-6, perhaps its what the doctor ordered?MAIL::EATONDWed Aug 01 1990 21:3040
    Over lunch, I stopped by at a local (over-priced) music store, just to
    see if they had anything there in the recording vein that might suit my
    needs.  I was not dissapointed.  Much to my surprise, I saw the
    companion to the WS-X1 studio - the MR-6.
    
    	The MR6 is a rack-mount version of the 6-track technology used in
    the WS-X1.  It does not have nearly the wealth of functions found on
    the WSX1.  It basically has six inputs, six outputs, transport
    controls, and switches to decide which tracks you're going to record
    on.  There is a switch for turning off NR (dolby C) on track 6 and some
    minimal auto-transport controls (rehearse function, but no auto punch).
    The brochures say it can do stereo ping-pong, but I didn't see anything
    on the panel to indicate this.  
    
    	The thing that caught my interest was that it sells for less than
    one thousand.  When I got back to the desk, I called around and found
    the best price at slightly over $600!  Egads, I have to find out more
    about this puppy...
    
    	It has much going for it that I have been looking for...  I want 
    something that didn't put a lot of money and effort into features that are 
    redundant in my studio (I have two mixing boards (one six, another eight) 
    so I don't need the internal mixers, I have fx loops, don't need
    that...).  I wanted something that runs at double tape speed, this
    does.  I wanted NR defeat for sync track (although Fostex says this is 
    unnecessary with dolby C).  This has it.  And I wanted to be able to
    afford it...
                                  
    	The only thing about this prospect that I'm even slightly concerned
    about is the six-track format...  At this time, only Sansui is using
    it.  I'm not *too* worried about it because I won't be investing mega
    bucks into it - if it only goes for a couple of years (about as long as
    any four-track I planned on buying would have been expected to last), it 
    will have earned its keep.  
    
    	Is there anything I haven't mentioned that should be taken into
    account?  Any news about Sansui that I should be aware of?
    
    	Dan Eaton
    
1803.4moved by co-moderatorMAIL::EATONDIn tentsFri Sep 14 1990 16:1889
            <<< DNEAST::SYS$TOOLS:[NOTES$LIBRARY]COMMUSIC.NOTE;2 >>>
             -< * * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * * >-
================================================================================
Note 2451.0         Sansui WS-X1 6-track cassette home studio         No replies
COPCLU::SANDGREN "Walking Tall"                      83 lines  14-SEP-1990 06:57
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A seperat discussion of this machine would be nice, since I'm thinking seri-
ously about getting one (I just need the bucks :^}). Has anyone got experience
with it? I think the 6-track/casette combination is precisely what I need - 
4-track is just not enough, and I don't wanna mess with big tapes...

         Here are the specifications:

         Tape type:             C30 - C90 cassette tape (chrome)
         Track format:          Deck A: 6-track, 6-channel record/play
                                Deck B: 4-track, 2-channel record/play
         Tape speed/deviation:  Deck A: 9.5cm +/- 1% per second
                                Deck B: 4.75cm. per second
         Pitch control:         +/- 20% (Deck A only)
         Wow & Flutter:         0.06% (NAB weighted)
         Sync out:              -10dBV/100 ohms
         Frequency Response:    40Hz - 15kHz +/- 3dB
         Channel separation:    50dB (1kHz OVU NR in)
         Erasure response:      70dB (1kHz)
         
         Mixer section
         Distortion:            0.06% (amplifier)
         Signal-to-Noise ratio: 72dB
         Frequency response:    10Hz - 60kHz
         Separation:            65dB
         Mic/Line Input (x8)
             Input level:       Mic. -50dBV at trim max
                                Line. -10dBV at trim min
         Impedance:             50k ohms
         Effect return (Stereo)
             level:             -10dBV/5k ohms
         Effect output
             level:             -10dBV/100 ohms
         Equalizer
             low:               100Hz +/- 12dB
             high:              10kHz +/- 12dB
         
         Dimensions(WxHxD):     625x110x343mm.
         Weight:                9.0kg


On this fancy little machine, they claim you can make 10-track recordings
rather easy:


         TRK1     A          A          F         F         I
         TRK2     B          B          G         G         J
                                                 mix
                                                  \/
         TRK3     C          C                     
                                                 FG+H       FGH
         TRK4     D          D
                            mix
                             \/
         TRK5
                          ABCD+E      ABCDE      ABCDE      ABCDE
         TRK6


Other features:

         Digital reverb - track-assignable

         Effects loop - various possibilities

         Possible to syncronize with another unit,
         so you get REAL 10-track recording

         Memory for storing tape indexes for storing
         auto-stop and auto-play

         Punch-in/punch-out by footswitch

         Dolby C on deck A, Dolby B/C on deck B
         

The tape decks operate by relay control and 'click' buttons, looks very nice.
I like the idea to have the whole thing in one box, allowing you to produce
the final tape on it. 


Poul

1803.5Hmmm, new prices bring questionsRANGER::EIRIKURMon Nov 12 1990 22:386
    Has anyone seen the 12 channel mixer that Sam Ash has on sale along
    with the 6-track rackmount?  Does the rackmount also have the second
    cassette drive?
    
    	Eirikur
    
1803.6Does This Mean Sansui Is Gonna Drop This Beast?AQUA::ROSTDennis Dunaway Fan ClubTue Nov 13 1990 01:277
    I believe the mixer is the same as in the all-in-one package, i.e. two
    band (fixed) EQ, etc.   So it may be 12 channel, but it's primitive.  
     
    The rack mount deck has only the 6-track unit (if it didn't, how could
    they sell the separates so much cheaper then the all-in-one?).
    
    							Brian
1803.7A good deal at <$400 - but I hedged on paying moreSTLACT::EATONTue Nov 13 1990 13:488
    Yes, I've seen it.  I haven't listened closely to it, though.  It has
    in addition to what Brian mentioned, two headphone jacks (don't know if
    they're individually adjustable), solo capability, etc.  It'll fit my
    needs very well - except that I wish it accepted balanced XLR inputs.
    Then I could use it for live performance as well.
    
    	Dan