Conference napalm::commusic_v1

    water on a duck's back
    
    Ashley

    Gees, Tom, is this your second goodbye note?
    
    If all is true in your note than why have you even bothered
    particapating at all?
    
    Because this is a very good place to get information.  About equipment,
    software, computers, recording technics, hardware, reviews, opinions,
    trends, humor, etc.  Tom Janzen's opinion of whats valid musically
    is just that, an opinion.  What's good musically is very subjective
    and there is a wide variety of tastes and ability in this forum.
    
    Your opinions add to diversity of this conference.  I find your
    diatribes especially entertaining, at times offensive.  Popular
    music won't go away because you think its not valid and only
    "vulgar rock-heads and philistines" enjoy it.  If you have "learned
    to hate music, musicians and music listeners in general" becuase
    of entries in this file, that's your head trip.
    
    This conference will contionue to flourish.
    
    Dave

    WHAT!!  Tom might leave Digital in 5-10 years!?!  Why ... this is
    an outrage!
    
    Steve ;^

    Tom leave Digital? 
    
    Sure it's not Digital leaving Tom -- in the same way one might
    leave one's breakfast before retiring for the night?
    
    (Only joking Tom)
    
    Richard.
    
    By the way -- I agree with Dave [.--]. Another plug for the conference
    -- I can't contribute much technically, and I don't have the
    experience that other noters have of a wide variety of gear, but
    I'm often reminded of something I've read in COMMUSIC when I do
    get the chance to try out a new gizmo, and it's always useful info.
      

    Why would someone go out of their way to burn a bridge, especially
    a particularly beautiful bridge.
    
    I have picked up a lot of vaulable information from reading various
    notes files, but the one thing you cannot put a price on is the
    friendships that have developed as a result. 
    
    Who gains, who loses ???
    
    Mark Jacques
    

    You people certainly have taken my "thank-you" in a negative way!
    Typical Conferencing misunderstanding!
    Tom

    > You people certainly taken my "thank-you" in a negative way!
    
    Go back to .0 and see all the places where you say you hate...
    
    Whadja 'spect?
    
    Edd

    
>    Whadja 'spect?
>    
>    Edd

A "You're Welcome" especially from you, because this note was your idea.
    You Told me to go First when I suggested an official goodbye note!
    Tom

    Yeah, but, but, but....
    
              You haven't gone!!!
    
    Edd

    r u kidding me? u must b kidding me!
    

    Well Tom, it nice to see you aren't making a bitter (second?) exit.

    Can we expect to see the conference ANT::PERFORMANCE_ART from you
    in the near future? No doubt, the COMMUSIC regulars will be denied
    access.
    
    I have tickets to the World 12 Tone Series,
    dp

    A semi-related question:

    When I became co-moderator of this conference, I had intended to deal
    with organization, not noise ... yet it seems that "noise" topics (like
    these) are destined to pop up.  I personally NEXT UNSEEN past them most
    of the time, but there has been an interesting question brought up by
    another noter (privately): 

	Given the current conference format and membership, is it
	either advisable or appropriate for the moderators (ie. me)
	to blast topics like this?  Or should they be left to their
	own and eventually fizzle out?

    I can see both sides, and since this topic is pretty useless otherwise,
    I'll solicit opinions here. 

-b (really, I AM me ... I *am*)

Re: moderator's question

I like non-serious topics every now and then and  would  urge you not to
     delete  them.    I  think they clutter up the directory  less  than
     redundant  serious  topics,    and    add  interest  to  day-to-day
     conferencing.

The  big  job  that  I  want a  moderator  to  perform  is  to  relocate
     informative topics which apparently belong under a previous  topic.
     These make day-to-day conferencing less interesting.

registered voter,
/Mitch

>< Note 1721.14 by HPSRAD::NORCROSS >
>                       -< what i ask for in a moderator >-
>
>Re: moderator's question
>
>I like non-serious topics every now and then and  would  urge you not to
>     delete  them.    I  think they clutter up the directory  less  than
>     redundant  serious  topics,    and    add  interest  to  day-to-day
>     conferencing.
>
>The  big  job  that  I  want a  moderator  to  perform  is  to  relocate
>     informative topics which apparently belong under a previous  topic.
>     These make day-to-day conferencing less interesting.
>
>>registered voter,
>/Mitch

Ditto
Ditto
Ditto
Ditto
Ditto

CHad

Brad, fast access to COMMUSIC for a change, huh? ( = prolific writing)

    Agree with the previous two. An "organizer" is fine. Brad's doing
    a great job.
    
    I see no need for a noise filter. (To be quite honest, since Brad
    has been doing this he's typed in SET MODE/[NO]MOD in his titles
    a couple times, but not invoked his privs. Nonetheless, just the
    sight of the phrase set my hair to bristling...
    
    Some conferences require active moderation. This one doesn't.
    
    But, gee, thanks for asking!
    
    Edd

    
    My vote is leave these notes in whether they are perceived as "noise"
    or not. Let the reader have the choice of reading or set/seening.
    After all, there isn't any profanity here or proprietary information
    or copyright violations, etc. To delete topics because they may
    be perceived as "noise" by some readers is not fair to other readers
    who may find humor or whatever in them, and could be construed as
    censorship.
    
    Brad, you're doing a great job. Keep up the good work!
    
    Mike D

    Ok.  I'll leave 'em ... reserving the right at some future point in
    time (say, 6 mos. to a year) to blast them - and then only to get the
    conference back down to a managable size. 

    And thanks for the kudos, Mike D.

-b

    I dunno. Every time I see a bunch of "noise" notes, I think of those
    Noters who might be on a 1200 baud modem, or in Europe, with stuff
    c r a w l i n g  across the screen.  And I am occasionally frustated
    (albeit mildly) when I'm looking for "hard data" on something and
    have to wade thru another round of Tom vs Karl.
    
    But I find that most of the stuff *is* genuinely entertaining (methinks
    dealing with MIDI networks makes a good sense of humor absolutely
    necessary :-)  ), so I would not vote for deep sixing it.  
    
    Maybe a Generic Garbage Note would do it.

    And since this note is 'gone' already, I have a question:  How do
    you deal with  smiley faces that come at the end of a parenthetical
    phrase?  I mean :-)) looks like a double-chinned alien. I've been
    using a few spaces between the mouth and the right parenthesis
    (like this :-)    ), but it looks funny.  Any inputs are welcome.
    
    Thanks,
    Rodney M.  :-)))))))))))))))

> < Note 1721.22 by GEMVAX::LINNEHAN "Really DYO780::SCHAFER in Maynard" >
>     Ok.  I'll leave 'em ... reserving the right at some future point in
>     time (say, 6 mos. to a year) to blast them - and then only to get the
>     conference back down to a managable size. 

Brad, I very much appreciate what you're doing as moderator.  The re-org
     of notes 1-15, the moving of  for  sale notes to where they belong,
     and  the  moving  of  new serious topics to  more  appropriate  old
     serious topics are much needed operations.

...but I get very uneasy when I hear you talking about blasting complete
     discussions, or even worse,  parts  of discussions.  I am very much
     against  the  removal of discussion notes (_any_ discussion notes).
     To me, this is like re-writing  history.    When  you remove notes,
     you're  changing  the  apparent circumstances which produced  other
     notes.  For example, the removal of .17 from this topic leaves some
     questions  in  my  mind,  since  it  was  smack in the middle of  a
     discussion.

I don't  mean  to nit pick, it's just something I feel  about  moderator
     privilages and how they should be used.

Once again,  I  appreciate  what  you've  done  so far, but please don't
     delete this note - it's history in the making.

/Mitch

    Gee, I dunno.
    
    I think some of the generalized fears of censorship are a bit 
    out of place in this context.  
    
    I don't think Brad incapable of distinguishing notes that are content-free
    personal battles from notes with real content?
    
    However, I'll go with the flow.  I now NEXT UNSEEN whenever I
    see a note that looks like that (hoping that there isn't real
    content in the parts I don't read).  It not only keeps me from
    wasting time reading it, it also keeps me from wasting time
    PARTICIPATING in it!
    
    	db

    
    As someone who sits in Europe and also on a 1200 baud line I would
    still rather let the flow go than have a fruitful and interesting
    bit of repartee got lost in the ether.
    
    				Paul.
    
    			(re-1 Was that Paul Macarthey???? )

    Another opinion from me...
    
    This file has always impressed me as a place where a bunch of friends
    with a common interest get together and chew the fat over whatever
    is on their minds, and it's usually MIDI or something related. It's
    kind of like an electric LERDS-BIM...
    
    It's more like a casual get-together as opposed to a business meeting.
    
    Not that anyone has suggested it, but if the mandate was to cut
    the S/N ratio why not go the whole 9 yards and set an agenda? Let
    members take 'action items' and 'go off and work the issues'...
    
    The 'noise' is a reflection of the noters' personalities and frankly,
    I enjoy it. Even at 1200 baud from home.
    
    Edd

	Brad,
		You're doing a great job - keep up the good work.
	As to noise, LET'S LEAVE IT IN!  The one thing that has impressed
	me about this conference is its not-so-dry structure like in a lot
	of other technical (work related, of course) conferences.  The
	way I look at it, I'm learning and having fun at the same time.

	just my $.02,
	Dan

    ok, ok, ok ... I WON'T TOUCH ANYTHING ELSE THAT EVEN REMOTELY RESEMBLES
    NOISE. 

    Sakes.

-b (still at Paahkuh St.)

    um -- is it safe to talk about Tom Janzen behind his back yet?
    
    Richard.

    Now that it's over, can I play too?
    
    Boy, go to Washington for one day and they try to schedule a LERDS-BIM
    without me, generate a bajillion notes about M1s (that's a great
    car by BMW, innit?), noise notes...
    
    len.
    

    I missed ya, uncle len...
    
    ...even tried to send mail, but DRUMS:: was kapootski....
    
    
    Edd

	I missed you to, er, ah, (ahem) ... (who was it that asked?)

	Dan

    If you went to Washington, you deserve to be missed.  Fraternizing with
    political harlo - er, eek! 

    Give Teddy K. (the bozo) a swift kick the next time you go - and tell
    him it was complements of me. 

    Ready or not, here I come ...

-b

    Well, since you're getting inferential about, I was actually in
    Falls Church VA, and never actually entered the D of C.  (Dulles
    Airport is in VA as well.)
    
    len.
    

    Odz bodkins.  Forgive me, sire.  I should have consider the character
    of the accused before jumping on the bandwagon. 

    C U @ the BIM.

-b in disguise.

    
    
    Well, guys, it's been fun, but as Dennis Miller would say, 
    I am outta here.
    
    I'm moving out of beautiful Los Angeles back to Florida, and I may
    still be with DEC, maybe not, I won't know for another couple of
    weeks.
    
    This notesfile has been extremely helpful, so much so that I would
    not make a new music purchase without first reading other noters
    opinions.  And you've been a fun bunch o guys.
    
    Well, here's the address and phone, if you guys ever want to get
    tans:
    
    Ashley Morris
    1321 East Johnson Avenue
    Pensacola FL
    32514-4606
    
    (904) 478-7469
    
    Toodles,
    Ashley

    Say "Hi" to me mum and dad, will ya?
    
    Good luck...
    
    Edd

    
    re: .-2
    
       Glad to see you get out of smogland before it slides into the
    ocean. Good luck.
    
    /pjh