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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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Number of topics:2852
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1551.0. "What is 'making it'?" by MIZZOU::SHERMAN (incompetence knows no bounds) Wed Jul 20 1988 17:31

    I was just reading a copy of MUSICIAN about several rock bands that
    were gigging, publishing and otherwise 'making it'.  After expenses,
    these guys were each taking home about HALF of what I take home.  It
    really makes you think about whether you really want to become a
    'successful' (insert: full-time) musician.  Albums that sold well
    could generate, say, $40,000.  But, after expenses this gets whittled
    down sometimes to a net loss ...

    Seems to emphasize that the only reason to do music is for your
    own satisfaction.   In other words, that dream of 'making it big'
    is not realistic.  But, even the idea of 'making it' may not be
    too savory if it means giving up gainful employment.  Any thoughts
    or experiences anyone wants to share?
    
    Steve (who is happy to make music just for fun ...)
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1551.1Music is for failuresANT::JANZENTom 296-5421 LMO2/O23Wed Jul 20 1988 17:5827
    "Making it" is achieving the level of performance or production
    activity that satisfies your craving for music and its benefits.
    
    "Making it" is when you break even and start making a profit.
    
    two definitions.  pick the one you like.

    It has always been true that it is insane to go into music as a
    career.  Assume you will starve, go into debt, fail to make a "name"
    (what's a name?  recognition?  Who's recognition?  That club owners
    know your name?  That your Q index for television personalities
    is high?) fail to get gigs fails to be called into the studios,
    fail to get an orchestra chair, fail to get a record with a major.
    
    Then work 120 hours a week to make those things happen.  Harder
    than you're working now (and I know many of you work very hard here).
    And have innate charisma onstage, and develop your singing (the
    most difficult instrument) and other chops, and business skills
    (remember how Ken went to the library and read all the business
    books to help him get the seed money for DEC?  You do that.)
    and publicity/public relations skills, and photographic skills.
    Do it all, hire people when you can afford/justify it to do those
    things if you're convinced they'll do it better.
    
    But do it only if you have good evidence that people are totally
    nuts about your music.
    Tom
1551.2Money ain't everythingTALLIS::KLOSTERMANStevie KWed Jul 20 1988 17:588
    
	If you want/need to make money don't become a musician.  But,
    remember, the crime isn't dying with dreams unfulfilled...the
    crime is having never dreamed.  I often question how many dreams I
    dare not entertain in fear of losing gainful employment.
    
    	Fulltime musicians have fun making music, too.  They have to.
    That's their only reward.
1551.3It's fine as long as you wake up every so oftenDREGS::BLICKSTEINYo!Wed Jul 20 1988 18:4018
    This is a discussion we've had many times in MUSIC.
    
    It's about as multi-faceted a topic as you'll ever find.  If I have
    been able to scratch one ounce of common opinion out of it, it is that
    when you face this decision you must be:
    
    	1) Pragmatic and realistic about your chances of success.
    	   (BTW, I don't care who the hell you are, if you figure your
    	   chances are "good", you're fooling yourself buddy!)
    
    	2) Truthful in your evaluation of how you'd feel if you don't
    	   "make it".  Will the music alone satisfy you, or do you have to
    	   live comfortably to be happy.
    
    I guess what I'm saying is that dreams are fine as long as they are not
    confused with reality.
    
    	db
1551.4There's money out there - Depends on your goalsTYFYS::MOLLERVegetation: A way of lifeWed Jul 20 1988 18:4843
    Lets look at the Cover Bands for a minute. If you decide to play
    the Ramada Inn / xxx Hotel circuit, you can survive, but, it may
    not be the lifestyle that you really want. An agent can get you
    into this chain & you'll play someplace for a week / 2 weeks / 
    month / 3 months, then you'll move on to a different club. If you
    chose to do this, your better off (financially) as a single or a
    duo than anything else, and you have to be able to play lots of
    different music (since the people that hire you won't want to hear
    any heavy metal or punk) - espescially old standards (Misty, Your
    Cheatin' Heart, etc). They usually provide some form of acccomodations,
    and food (up to a certain amount), then pay you. Some places (depending
    on the traffic at the place) spend upto $2000.00 per week, but,
    more often it's more like $700.00 for 7 nights straight. If you
    keep your expenses to a minimum, you'll probably average $200.00
    spending money per week (out of the original $350.00 mentioned above).
    The SKI resorts here in Colorado like to work 2 weeks on/2 weeks
    off with the bands, and a good agent will set up the arrangements
    to make sure that you will be working somewhere after your 2 weeks
    are up. Figure, that you can live off of this, if the room, and
    some of the meals are covered.
    
    I play in a cover band, but, I don't do weeks very often. I find
    that private parties (weddings & the like) pays between $150.00
    to $500.00 for one night, and I can't see playing for 5 to 7 nights
    and killing myself for the extra bucks. We play at the SKI areas
    also, and get free room & meals too, but, one or two nighters are
    easier on us.
    
    I figured out that If the duo that I'm in worked in the best playing
    lounge here in Colorado Springs (at the Broadmoor Hotel - no room
    or food provided), we could make just over $28,000 a each for 50
    weeks worth of work. At the lowest paying place that we've played
    (Tavern On the Green - No food or Room either), it would come out
    to around $8,000 each for 50 weeks. I assume that there is a midway
    point where I should shoot for, and that says around $18,000 per
    year is possible, just playing Cover tunes. I Do mostly weekends
    & earn between $4000.00 and $5000.00 yearly with the band (but I
    do use this business effectively & take all legal deductions for
    the Band - Yes, I pay taxes on this also). None of the above numbers
    include the Tax that you will have to pay on your income, but do
    count in the 15% I pay to my agent for finding the work.
    
    							Jens
1551.5The Article Was Focused Pretty NarrowlyAQUA::ROSTObedience to the law guarantees freedomWed Jul 20 1988 19:0115
    
    A slight addition to .0:
    
    The article specifically dealt with rock bands recording for indie
    labels.  The bands in question were the Dead Milkmen, Camper Von
    Beethoven and a hardcore band whose name I forget.
    
    The hardcore band had it the worst....total profit after 8 months:
    $0.00
    
    I think it was an attempt to show exactly what it's like to try to
    make it as a rock band....these guys are all shooting for (eventually)
    major label staus, in fact Camper VB just signed with Virgin.

    
1551.6MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVIDbehind blues eyes...Mon Aug 01 1988 13:047
    re: .5 Yeah thst was how I remembered it, these weren't exactly
    what I considered to be successful bands, at least not yet...and
    hardcore isn't a meduim where I'd expect to make money
    anyway...probably more money in blues...ie: almost none for most
    folks...
    
    dbII