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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

1452.0. "Let's build an Orchestra!!!" by COUGAR::JANZEN (Tom LMO2/O23 296-5421) Tue Jun 14 1988 14:01

    Ok, you people seem to think that you can make a really good
    imitation orchestra with MIDI instruments.  Let's build a system.
    The goal of the system is to produce recordings that could fool
    some people into thinking that they are listening to a recording
    of a full classical orchestra, playing a traditional work of
    standard repetoire.
    
    What is the best synth for synthesing the solo versions of
    each orchestral instrument?  What is the best string ensemble
    sound (not over-chorused, just real sounding)?  What setting
    should we use on the SRV2000 to get a hall like Symphony hall
    or Dorothy Chandler Pavallion or BAM or Lincoln Center?
    What percussion box will do classical percussion realistically
    (timpani, triangle, snare, military drum rolls, wood block,
    celeste (OK, some synth), etc.)?
    What kind of mix would you recommend for tuttis and other combinations?
    What synth would do a good Ahh-voice (for things like holst planets).?
    Tom
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1452.1I wanna be the conductor...JAWS::COTEHey Pachelbel, can I shoot that?Tue Jun 14 1988 14:089
    The Alesis HR-16 will more than satisfy all of your perc reqs 
    except for the tympani and celeste.
    
    The Mirage has a decent tympani and a large choir going "aaahhhh".
    
    But tell me, is this something you want to do, or something you
    want to simply talk about?? Either is OK...
    
    Edd
1452.2 :^) DRUMS::FEHSKENSTue Jun 14 1988 14:097
    What's the point?
    
    I'm too busy covering old tunes with a reliable backbeat to cover
    old tunes with no backbeat.
    
    len.
    
1452.3Sounds like fun!PASTA::PICKETTDavid - Andante con MojoTue Jun 14 1988 15:048
    I think it sounds fun. I'd offer my ESQ-1, but it doesn't do anything
    particularly well. I could offer some backing strings. 
    
    Might I suggest we do the Fugue from the Britten's "Young Person's
    Guide to the Symphony?" or Mahler 5 (We'll need GOOD sampled brass
    for that! Moeller 5? ;^)
    
    dp
1452.4how about S550?SUBSYS::ORINAMIGA te amoTue Jun 14 1988 15:0725
Tom -

>    What is the best synth for synthesing the solo versions of
>    each orchestral instrument?  What is the best string ensemble
>    sound (not over-chorused, just real sounding)?  What setting
>    should we use on the SRV2000 to get a hall like Symphony hall
>    or Dorothy Chandler Pavallion or BAM or Lincoln Center?
>    What percussion box will do classical percussion realistically
>    (timpani, triangle, snare, military drum rolls, wood block,
>    celeste (OK, some synth), etc.)?
>    What synth would do a good Ahh-voice (for things like holst planets).?

Is synthesis a requirement? If not, just buy a Roland S550, get a copy of
the sound library, hook it up to an MC500, get the samples you need for the
orchestral instruments on the 2 disk chain, you've got your orchestra. I'm
currently working on Rhapsody In Blue, Theme from Big Country, Startrek
Theme, etc. I'm using the Kurzweil K250 to beef up the string section and
for piano, but I could just sample it onto the S550. With 64 different
samples available and 10 outputs, the S550 is "an orchestra in a box". I'm
using two SRV2000's, two SDE2500's, and a DSP128 for f/x. The D110 has
some great percussion sounds and the D50 some nice solo winds and brass if
you want an even fatter sound.


dave
1452.5SALSA::MOELLERToward a dork-free workplaceTue Jun 14 1988 16:317
    Check out my piece "The Procession" on Commusic V.
    
    Several multitimbral samplers ought to do the trick, Tom. Of course
    obviously as always it goes without saying it's axiomatic the more 
    voices the better. 
    
    redundantly, 
1452.6Concentrate on the problem at handPLDVAX::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 296-5421Tue Jun 14 1988 18:0414
    Note that the goal is to record a major classical work for orchestra
    and fool people in an A/B test with it.
    I don't know Mahler much (altho I spent 4 hours in the Boston Public
    library copying the viola part from the tenth for a friend's audition
    at the Minnesota synthpony), but maybe one of his symphonies,
    or Strauss's tone poems, or Holst's Planets (dead straight, no
    effects), or Beethoven's 4th (the slow movement is very exposed!)
    or a Brahms piano concerto (acoustic live piano is OK)
                                
    I wanted to do a Mozart concerto at the library against a MIDI tape,
    but no one bit, so I can't.  It would have made history, got us
    an interview on NPR, got us a gig in new york, but hey, let's take
    forever to develop a career, OK?
    Tom
1452.7single hits onlySRFSUP::MORRISExcitable BoyTue Jun 14 1988 19:289
    Don't even think about doing *anything* with Tympani rolls.  At
    least not if you want to fool *me* in an A/B test.  Probably not
    even Snare rolls.  Sure, a sequencer can slam out the notes, but
    unless you have a Synclavier sampling an entire roll with dynamics,
    you can hang it up.
    
    Pessimistically yours,
    
    Ashley
1452.8SALSA::MOELLERToward a dork-free workplaceTue Jun 14 1988 19:5111
    I have a tymp setup that allows for very realistic rolls. Picture
    this : the keyboard is divided at middle 'C'. Below middle 'C',
    the tymp notes are actual as sampled.. a 'G2' is a 'G2'. Above 
    middle C, the same setup is duplicated, except that key G5 triggers
    an actual G2 note. This allows very fast rolls, with full velocity
    response with no note cutoff since the alternating strokes are 
    being generated by two different DAC's.
    
    karl
    p.s. If I lived closer, Tom, I WOULD take you up on it... sounds
    challenging and fun.
1452.994 degrees but it's a dry heave...JAWS::COTELook!! Eeet eees BASSOON!Tue Jun 14 1988 19:579
    RE: .8
    
    > If I lived closer...
    
    Gheesh, it's not like you're not up here every couple weeks....
    
    ;^)
    
    Edd
1452.10SALSA::MOELLERToward a dork-free workplaceTue Jun 14 1988 21:1512
>   < Note 1452.9 by JAWS::COTE "Look!! Eeet eees BASSOON!" >
>    Gheesh, it's not like you're not up here every couple weeks....

    Outstayed my welcome, eh? Actually I won't be there all summer,
    given the current schedule.
    
    back to the topic, I'd need Tom to read the orchestral score to me..
    
    "... and those little black marks mean MUSIC ? Amazing ! .. hum
    it to me again ... "
    
    karl