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Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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1344.0. "Eventide H3000 Harmonizer Effects (FX)" by DREGS::BLICKSTEIN (The height of MIDIocrity) Mon May 02 1988 14:34

    In case any of you are wondering what to get me for Xmas, I already
    know what I want (I think).  ;-)
    
    I want an Eventide H-3000 harmonizer.
    
    I am DYING to get more information about this beast.  It really sounds
    like the ultimate harmonizer/delay effect unit for me.
    
    Among the things (I hear) it does:
    
    	o MIDI (allegedly VERY flexible MIDI implementation)
    	o Harmonizing
    	o Reverb
    	o Delay
    	o Harmonizer can be programmed diatonically (FINALLY!!!!)
        o Delay can sync to MIDI clock
    
    The bad news: the one price I have seen for it is $2099.  Even so,
    I'm thinking of saving for it.  We're alreadying beginning to see
    the Harmonizer emerge as the "next" high-impact effect (after the DDL)
    and I've been wanting to get in early and coming up with my own
    techniques before I have a chance to be influenced by what everyone
    else (will be) doing with them.
    
    If I hear that it will do several effects at once, I'm gonna sell a
    bunch of stuff off and pick one up.
    
    Does ANYONE have any literature, knowlege, experience, etc. with
    this thing?  Does anyone know of comparable (and cheaper) units
    under development.
    
    	db - hot to harmonize
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1344.1SPX-90/IIMORRIS::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 296-5421Mon May 02 1988 15:3659
    >< Note 1344.0 by DREGS::BLICKSTEIN "The height of MIDIocrity" >
>                              -< Eventide H-3000 >-
>
>    In case any of you are wondering what to get me for Xmas, I already
>    know what I want (I think).  ;-)
>    
>    I want an Eventide H-3000 harmonizer.
>    
>    I am DYING to get more information about this beast.  It really sounds
>    like the ultimate harmonizer/delay effect unit for me.
>    
>    Among the things (I hear) it does:
>    
>    	o MIDI (allegedly VERY flexible MIDI implementation)
    spx90
    >    	o Harmonizing
         spx90
    >    	o Reverb
    spx90
    >    	o Delay
    spx90
    >    	o Harmonizer can be programmed diatonically (FINALLY!!!!)
    spx90
    >        o Delay can sync to MIDI clock
    I don't know, no MIDI setup
    >    
>    The bad news: the one price I have seen for it is $2099.  Even so,
    spx90-II 2 seconds memory   ca. $625
    >    I'm thinking of saving for it.  We're alreadying beginning to see
>    the Harmonizer emerge as the "next" high-impact effect (after the DDL)
    SPX90
    >    and I've been wanting to get in early and coming up with my own
>    techniques before I have a chance to be influenced by what everyone
>    else (will be) doing with them.
    This effect has been around for like 15 years. I heard it done
    experiementally to play an old Mahler recording at a different tempo
    without changing the pitch in the early 70's.
    >    
>    If I hear that it will do several effects at once, I'm gonna sell a
>    bunch of stuff off and pick one up.        
    Not the spx90
>    
>    Does ANYONE have any literature, knowlege, experience, etc. with
>    this thing?  Does anyone know of comparable (and cheaper) units
>    under development.
    Yamaha SPX90-II.  Come over and play with it a little, Dave.
    >    
>    	db - hot to harmonize
>
                                                               
    You must not have heard my perofmrance pieces Slowasleep and 
    Fame can you handle it you heard harmonizing.
    Laurie Anderson has been Harmonizing since 1980 I think, with an
    Eventide.  "Harmonize" must be an Eventide trade term.
    "Pitch Change" is used in other vendors.
    SPX90 can also do 2 simultaneous pitch changes.
    You can also play a midi keyboard into it to change the current
    harmonizing interval. (I don't have a midi keybrd.
    Tom
1344.2This harmonizer understands keys and scalesDREGS::BLICKSTEINThe height of MIDIocrityMon May 02 1988 17:2829
    Tom,
    
    I'm pretty familiar with the SPX-90.
    
    I think what you've misunderstood what they mean by "diatonic
    harmonization".   That term was a bad choice especially since
    it will lead people to say "ho-hum" as you have.
    
    This is the FIRST harmonizer that can be taught the key/scale/mode
    that you're playing in.  For example, if you program it to play
    a "third" in the key of A Aolian minor, it knows that if you play A,
    it should play a minor third up from A, whereas if you play C, it
    will play a major third.
    
    Unless you play only in whole tone scales, (I'd believe that, in your
    case ;-) ), you'd find the H-3000 significantly less limiting than
    your SPX-90B.
    
    I know that harmonization has been around for years.  However, I was
    talking about using it in a particular context: rock guitar. 
    Rock guitarists are just starting to "discover" what you can do with
    a harmonizer much in the way that Eddie Van Halen demonstrated what
    can be done with a Vibrato bar (or tapping), or what can be done 
    with delay.
    
    I'm not concerned with "who used harmonization first".  My interest
    is learning how to apply/use it in a particular context.
    
    	db
1344.3SPX90 could do that, tooPLDVAX::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 296-5421Mon May 02 1988 17:508
    Hi
    If you use a sequencer with the spx-90 laying the relative interval
    in as you play the tune, it can apparently do harmonic harmonizationg.
    for $625, not $2K, that's K.
    
    Tom
    (I invented the pitch change effect when I was 4 years old)
    8^)
1344.4help with cost estimatesPLDVAX::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 296-5421Mon May 02 1988 18:116
    Wait, there's a MIDI device for listening to acoustic pitch, isn't
    there?  So then you need software to read the pitch from that machine,
    and calculate the interval in half-steps to harmonize so that it
    stays in a given scale, then send that interval to the SPX90.
    But I don't know how much that is.
    Tom
1344.5FIDDLE::CROWLEYere lies David St. 'ubbins, and why not!Mon May 02 1988 18:5215
    
    
    Sounds like the ultimate in harmonizers.  I've been using an
    Ibanez harmonizer for about 4 years.  Its fairly limited in
    its specs and functionality, but its been alot of fun.  I've
    always lusted for an Eventide.....maybe one of these days.
    Some good listening fora harmonizer in rock guitar would be
    Brian May from Queen.  He's used several Evantides for years.
    db, if you buy one, I guess I'll have to too....hell, we have
    just about the same amp setup! :^)  (I'll keep dreaming for the
    Evantide...)
    
    Ralph
    
    
1344.6More ravingDREGS::BLICKSTEINThe height of MIDIocrityMon May 02 1988 19:5436
    Yeah, I'm really surprised that harmonizers haven't kept up with DDLs.
    They are ALMOST as useful IMO.  Maybe this is the start.
    
    My major questions are:
    
    o Can it do more than one interval (i.e, can I get it to play several
      harmonized notes at once (sorta like your one-fingered chord organs).
    
    o How much else does it do (reverb, delay, etc.) and how well?
    
    o Can it do more than one effect at a time (oh please, oh please).
    
    I think if the answer to these questions are generally positive,
    I may throw fiscal caution to the wind and get one.  Of course,
    if it can do all that, I think I'm probably gonna have to wait
    in line even at $2k.
    
    > Some good listening fora harmonizer in rock guitar would be
    > Brian May from Queen.  He's used several Evantides for years.
    
    Y'know Ralph, people have been asking me to give examples of using
    harmonizers (in a rock context), and somehow it never even occurred
    to me to mention Brian May!!!!  Sheeshhh!  
    
    > hell, we have just about the same amp setup! 
    
    Yeah, we could just about use each other as equipment backup for gigs.
    
    Y'know what I'm gonna do is see if I can rent one for a day.  I'm
    just about ready to record a guitar solo for this tune I've been
    working on (since the dawn of MIDI) and I'm tempted to write out
    a solo, simulate the whole thing on a synth (w. MIDI delay and
    'manual' harmonization) and when I have it down, just borrow the
    Eventide for a day and do it.
    
    	db
1344.7trying to increase the trade deficitPLDVAX::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 296-5421Mon May 02 1988 20:013
    If you got 3 spx90's for $1900 (save $100), you could do 3 effects
    at once and harmonize 6 notes!
    Tom
1344.8WAIT...HOLD ON TO YOUR MONEY!!!SRFSUP::MORRISHR-16 program = 'Algorhythm'Mon May 02 1988 20:0210
    
    I read in Recording Engineer and Producer that ART is coming out
    with a "Multiverb".
    
    This is supposed to have multi-effects (a la DSP-128) and
    harmonization.
    
    Supposed to be out in May.
    
    Ashley
1344.9db...here's where the info isMISPRT::SFAFRAKCOMMUSIX for kids, silly rabbitTue May 03 1988 04:206
    
    db,
    
    See note 1335.5 on the H3000.
    
    Scott
1344.10MTBLUE::BOTTOM_DAVIDComing soon on a node near youTue May 03 1988 11:117
    re: .8 ART
    
    ART announced the Proverb 200 (20 presets) a 16 bit machine to
    challenge the Midiverb II, is that the device you're speaking of?
    I didn't really read the ad so....
    
    db2
1344.11nopeSRFSUP::MORRISHR-16 program = 'Algorhythm'Tue May 03 1988 18:1011
    re .10
    
    nope.
    
    This is a brand new machine, that might be just the ticket. 
    
    The name is definitely 'Multiverb'.
    
    Yeah, that's the ticket...
    
    Ashley
1344.12Three models MISING::SFAFRAKRISCy business...Wed Jan 03 1990 17:5538
I received some literature in the mail yesterday from Eventide regarding the 
H3000.  To summarize.

The H3000 has been renamed to the H3000-S (Studio)
	It also includes per-patch volume modification
	New presets created by Steve Vai.

The H3000 can be updated via ROM chip to add new functionality.

H3000-B (Broadcast)
	Has "Timesqueeze" compression for radio and other algorithims
	Different presets

The H3000 can be updated via ROM to add this functionality

H3000-SE (Studio Enhanced)
	Top-of-the-Line.  9 additional algorithims including Vocorder,
	Tone Generation (like a synth), New Reverb, etc.
	Additional presets

The H3000 can be updated via ROM to add this functionality


The H3000-S	is $2495
The H3000-B	I'll have to check but I think it is $2695
The H3000-SE	is $2995

H3000 to H3000-S  		is   ~$ 300
H3000 to H3000-B  		is   ~$ 600
H3000 to H3000-SE 		is   ~$ 600
H3000 to H3000-B and H3000-SE	is   ~$1200
Steve Vai preset ROM		is   ~$ 100
1/4" to XLR convertor		is   ~$  75

That's all I have for now.  If anyone is interested in more let me know and I'll
bring in the literature.

Scott
1344.13KOBAL::DICKSONYou could be an ocarina salesmanThu Jan 04 1990 12:388
    Laurie Anderson uses the model 3000 Eventide Harmonizer on her latest
    album, "Strange Angels".  In the Keyboard interview she referred to it
    as "the girls in the box".
    
    I highly recommend "Strange Angels" by the way.  It is much more
    musical than, say, "Big Science".  And her singing is much improved
    since she took lessons.  Backup singing by Bobby McFerrin and the Roche
    sisters.