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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

1335.0. "TC2290 and H3000 info wanted" by MISFED::SFAFRAK (In the midst of this confusion) Thu Apr 28 1988 05:16

Hello,

First off, I would like to introduce myself to all of you "Noters" out there:

My name is Scott Fafrak and I hail from Albuquerque, New Mexico.  I have been
a very quiet participant of COMMUSIC for the past couple of months and I thought
that now was as good a time as any to start actively participating.  I have 
noticed in previous notes that everyone has given a profile of themselves; 
I will do the same very soon.

Has anyone had the chance to demo the TC2290 Dynamic Digital Delay by 
TC Electronic or the H3000 Ultra-Harmonizer by Eventide?  Are they as good as
their ads claim?  What is their list and street pricing?  And finally, is it
worth the plane ticket to LA to give them a test-drive.

Living in Albuquerque has one major drawback:  upper-end equipment is very hard
to test before you buy. 

Scott
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1335.1welcomSUBSYS::ORINTax Return = Money to BurnThu Apr 28 1988 16:1711
Hi Scott -

Welcome to COMMUSIC! It's slow, but alive again. My local system manager
moved up to ZKO and is now in charge of QUILL. I'll ask him about system
performance improvements. It may be the network. As to the equipment
you mentioned, how about giving us a description. That type of gear is
not sold in local music stores in the Boston area, as far as I know. You
probably have to go to a pro-audio store here. What are you planning on
doing with the gear? What kind of musical stuff are you into?

dave
1335.2Musically SpeakingMISPRT::SFAFRAKnot multi-timbral enoughFri Apr 29 1988 03:5451
    
TC2290 -- It is basically an "everything-they-could-think-of" box.
    
    o	100khz sampling -- (4 second, 11 second, and 32 second expandable
    			   options)
    o	Chorusing, flanging, multi-tap delay, panning, etc.
    o	Can control five other effect units
    o	Midi
    o	I'll bring in my literature on Monday and give you a better
    	description.
    
H-3000	
    o	Diatonic pitch-shift
    o	glitch-free operation
    o	digital effects (reverb, delay, etc.)
    o	Midi
    o	again I'll bring in my literature on Monday.
    
    
What will I use them for?  Well, as you have probably figured out...
I am another MIDIot.  Actually, I am a guitarist who became facinated
with keyboard equipment about a year ago, and I have not stopped for
air yet.  My current list of gear is as follows:
    
    o	5 guitars (two Hamer Explorers -- custom built; one Gretsch
    		   anniversary model hollow-body; one Jackson Soloist
    		   Custom, and one Ovation 1986 Collector's Series 12-
    		   string)
    o	Mesa/Boogie Quad-preamp
    o	Mesa/Boogie Stereo Simul-Class 295
    o	2 Mesa/Boogie 4x12 EVM enclosures
    o	Fender Princeton
    o	Randall RG80 and 4x12 Celestion enclosure
    o	Fender Lead 140 and 4x12 Fender enclosure
    
    o	Ensonic ESQ-1
    o	Roland D50
    o	Kawai K5m
    o	Roland S550
    
    o	Fostex 450-16 mixer
    o	Fostex E-16 recorder
    
    o	And an Anvil rack with a Roland SDE3000, Roland DEP5, Aphex
    	Aural Exciter Type C, a Rocktron HUSH IIc, and an Alesis MicroVerb
    
I'll be back on Monday and I will give you more information on these
two wonders of electronic technology.
    
Scott_who_needs_a_better_paying_position_to_be_able_to_continue_buying_all
     _these_toys...
1335.3If you *do* fly, I want your frequent flyer milesSRFSUP::MORRISThe best laid plans never get laidFri Apr 29 1988 06:238
    
    I usually hit the Guitar Center here in LA once a month to check
    out all this new stuff.  I could give you a review if you wait a
    week, and then tell you if it's worth the trip.
    
    Ashley in Smogland
    
    P.S.  I thought ***I*** had a lot of junk, er music equipment....jeez!
1335.4Sounds like a 'better' SPX-90DREGS::BLICKSTEINThe height of MIDIocrityFri Apr 29 1988 12:498
    I'd love to hear (lots) more about H-3000.  Sounds like just the thing I've
    been waiting for.  I had heard that it was under development but I
    hadn't heard that it's now available.
    
    I haven't seen the "ads" you referred to.  Perhaps I overlooked them.
    Could you provide me with a reference?
    
    	db
1335.5Here's the descriptionsMISPRT::SFAFRAKCOMMUSIX for kids, silly rabbitTue May 03 1988 02:26187
1335.6ANGORA::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 296-5421Tue May 03 1988 02:594
    Well, that's certainly a high performance device, although it has
    less delay time that the spx.
    a mega-sample/second?
    Tom
1335.7not kiddingANGORA::JANZENTom LMO2/O23 296-5421Tue May 03 1988 03:016
    another thing, In 1976 for a theatre sound course, I proposed an
    opera-singer correction systemfor opera houses.  It would improve
    their diction and correct their pitch.
    So eventides finaly caught up...
;^)
    Tom    8
1335.8Yet another application of this technological marvel ;-)DREGS::BLICKSTEINThe height of MIDIocrityTue May 03 1988 19:3312
    re: .7
    
    Given the description given earlier, one would think that the H-3000
    would actually REMOVE vibrato.  If so, I personally would find this
    very useful in opera cause although there's lots of opera music
    I like, I can't STAND the wide vibrato that's sometimes used.
    
    There are rock singers who have actually worked hard to REMOVE
    the vibrato in their voice.  Guess that's why I became a R&R'er
    instead of an opera accompanist.  ;-)
    
    	db
1335.9Late replySRFSUP::MORRISExcitable BoyMon Jun 06 1988 16:2110
    O.K.
    
    *None* of the stores here in LA have the H3000 (or so they say),
    and *none* of the ones I know even carry TC.
    
    I don't know what to tell anybody about getting a demo.
    
    Such is life in smogland.
    
    Ashley
1335.10Vaporware, but there are working prototypesDREGS::BLICKSTEINThe height of MIDIocrityMon Jun 06 1988 16:4721
    Turns out that the Eventide H-3000 has not been released yet, although
    certain performers such as Steve Vai have been given, I guess,
    prototypes.
    
    No one seems to be very confident about when they will be available. 
    It would seem that dealers are getting the same kind of thing about
    delivery dates that Alesis was giving during the long labor of
    releasing the HR-16.
    
    Everyone seems to think, (as I do), that this is gonna be a real
    killer of a device.  I'm not convinced however, that many people
    are gonna see its potential.  I'm sure to most it will seem like a more
    costly version of the SPX-90.
    
    Maybe one of these days I'll be able to afford one at firesale prices.
    
    Tell you though, if they ever come out with one that can do several
    effects at once for under $800 or so, I'm going to attempt a hostile
    takeover of Eventide. ;-)
    
    	db
1335.11A possible demoMISING::SFAFRAKAlbuquerque...once a vast wastelandTue Jun 07 1988 03:4412
Thanks for the attempt at locating the units; even though you drew a blank, I
appreciate it.

I have been talking to a dealer here in town who may be able to get the units
shipped to him for me to demo at a small fee.  If this materializes I will
let you and Dave know how they sound.  Providing the H3000 lives up to its
ads and it is released, I think August is when I will again enter the
"Land of the living Debt."
    
Ah, what better way to spend your life savings than on high-tech toys...
    
Scott
1335.12Not Vaporware says EventideMISING::SFAFRAKAlbuquerque...once a vast wastelandThu Aug 11 1988 23:1414
    I talked to Eventide in an attempt to get some information regarding
    the H3000's availability.  It is not promising.  The man I talked
    to said that they were taking orders today that will not be shipped
    until December.  The good news is that the Ultra-Harmonizer is not
    Vaporware; in fact they have been shipping units to distributors
    since March and they have tripled production on the unit in the
    past couple of months.  He also gave me the numbers of a couple of
    stores in California and Arizona that were shipped a few units this
    week.  He said that they may be willing to sell one (probably at
    list).
    
    I will let you know.
    
    Scott
1335.13TC2290 and H3000 are here!ISLETA::SFAFRAKScottFri Nov 18 1988 20:2021
    I just received the TC2290 with 4 seconds of sampling time and the
    Ultra-Harmonizer.  In a word, "Unbelievable".  Both are amazing!
    
    The diatonic-shift on the H3000 is flawless and 3-part harmonies
    are a snap.  I have only used the H3000 on my guitar so far and
    the results were GREAT but I still think that using it on vocals
    will sound similar to something in the "Chipmunks" genre; similar
    to what a sampler does.   
    
    More later, I am in the process of moving, so when I get settled
    and have some more time to play, I will give a detailed analysis
    of both pieces, until then, just a couple of comments:
    
    TC2290 is dead-silent -- the effects are crystal clear; beautiful
    chorus, panning effects, and the ducking delays are great!
    
    H3000's reverb is better-than-average, and the diatonic shifts are
    the best I have heard (including the IPS by Digitech).
    
    Scott