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Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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1127.0. "Review - Concertware+MIDI Software for Apple Macintosh" by PRAGMA::GRIFFIN (Dave Griffin) Wed Jan 06 1988 02:38

    I just received a copy of Concertware+MIDI for my Mac, and one of
    the disks is bad (the one with the fonts on it).
    
    While I'll be pursuing getting the disk replaced, I would appreciate
    hearing from anybody who has the software - if they could upload
    the Sonata screen fonts, I could load them on my system.  I get
    the impression that both the Concertware+ and +MIDI use the same
    fonts so either version would be acceptable.
    
    Please send me mail at PRAGMA::GRIFFIN if you think you might be
    able to help.
    
    Many thanks,
    
    - dave
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1127.1concertware?LEDS::ORINRaucous Roland RenegadesWed Jan 06 1988 15:096
< Note 1127.0 by PRAGMA::GRIFFIN "Dave Griffin" >
                     -< Help me fix my Concertware+MIDI? >-

How about giving us a description and review when you get it fixed. What is it?

Dave
1127.2Fixed... Now for some fun!PRAGMA::GRIFFINDave GriffinFri Jan 08 1988 17:336
    With a bit of arm-waving, I now have my fonts.
    
    A review of Concertware+MIDI is forthcoming - let me dabble with
    it for a few days...
    
    - dave
1127.3caoncertware impromptu reviewTHE780::EVANSTue Jan 26 1988 05:0939
    I've had ConcertWare (v3.0) for some time, and thought it was
    incredibly difficult to use. Then too, I've got this dream of creating
    music from almost nothing and having it sound perfect right away!!
    Anyhow... I went to MacWorld here in S.F. and got v4.0 and was very
    pleasantly suprised! For whatever it's worth, here's my review of
    it:
    
    Still comes in 3 pieces- writer, player, and instrument maker. New
    arrangment: instrument sounds are stored into a library. Pretty
    intuitive to add/delete from library. I did it, then read the book...
    Writer has following capabilities: music entry via mouse (ugh...)
    MAC keyboard (slightly less ugh...) or MIDI (keyboard). I tried
    MAC keyboard and spent 1/2 hr putting in a couple of simple measures,
    then went to my friends house (who has a MAC+ and PF80/TX81Z) and
    put in 4 measures/2 voices in less than 4 minutes. Now this may
    not wow the world, but I learned the value of good keyboard interfaces
    right there!! Onward... beaming, note alignment, slurs, dynamics
    (I think ppp to ffff (I'm guessing, the manual is at my friends
    house!), selectable stem direction, and the best part for me: free
    format text - this little feature is nifty! you can control the
    distance between the staves and type in "words" using a "gap"
    technique, which aligns them autmatically with the notes (hmmm,
    haven't tried with anything but voice #1), and you can have as many
    lines of text as desired (well... 4-5 seems pretty reasonable to
    me). There is a new Mover tool to control visual formatting of the
    staff, and text, and the playback in the writer seems far better
    than before - in fact sounded like the player quality to me...
    
    
    Crud. this server is shutting down in 10 minutes for reload, so
    I'll try to finish this reply tomorrow....
    
    In essence, I am trying to get going on preservation of ethnic music
    which requires entering music in a variety of beats, and mixture
    of words (original language and translation), and hopefully even
    hearing what it sounds like to preserve the sound(s) - tall order!!
    
    So far, I like what I'm seeing - would like reactions to this and
    DMCS v2.0 with other stuff...
1127.4ConcertWare+MIDI v4.0 reviewTHE780::EVANSTue Jan 26 1988 15:20118
    As I promised in the other note, here's my follow-up on the review
    of ConcertWare v4.0 + MIDI -- what I thought of doing is putting
    in the 1 page description Great Wave gives you, then adding my
    reactions to things at the bottom:
    
    ConcertWare+V4:
    ConcertWare+ is a music program with 3 integrated parts. It includes
    the music writer, the Instrument maker, and the Music Player.
    
    Music Writer:
    Using the music writer yu can enter sheet music or original music
    by using the mouse or the MAC keyboard. Voices may be arranged on
    up to 8 different staves, with chords of up to 8 notes per voice.
    The notation includes optional beaming (horizontal bars connecting
    8th, 16th, and 32nd notes), note alignment, slurs, dynamics, repeats,
    1st and 2nd endings, selectable stem direction, and free format
    text. Scores can be printed with full support for the Imagewriter,
    Laserwriter and the Adobe Sonata fonts. Complete scores or individual
    parts may be printed. Note spacing and alternative note heads are
    also included. Real time entry may be done using the Record Sequence
    facility which will allow you to play a voice into the MAC using
    the MAC keyboard while other voices play along with you.
    
    (with MIDI):
    The Music Writer allows you to record voices as you enter them on
    an electronic keyboard. ConcertWare+MIDI includes all MusicWriter
    features described for ConcertWare+ and full support for most MIDI
    functions. The MIDI include MIDI program (patch) changes, extensive
    control staff arrangment, MIDI mapping, MIDI parameters, and MIDI
    macros.
    
    InstrumentMaker:
    The InstrumentMaker lets you design your own instrument sounds or
    modify any which come on the disk. It also includes an Instrument
    Library which allows easy viewing of the instruments available.
    
    (with MIDI):
    ConcertWare+MIDI uses instruments created with a MIDI synthesizer
    or it can play any of the pre-programmed instruments. The
    InstrumentMaker also has full capabilities to create instrument
    sounds.
    
    Music Player:
    The music Player combines music from the Music Writer with instruments
    from the Instrument Maker and plays back your full length sleections
    through the MAC. It also can be played through a home stereo system
    for optimal sound.
    
    (with MIDI):
    ConcertWare+MIDI will allow up to 64 note simultaneous playback
    and can easily play any ConcertWare+ file through a MIDI compatible
    synthesizer. The Music Player also recognizes velocity on MIDI
    instruments and program changes for optimal performance in playing
    music.
    
    General:
    ConcertWare+ requires a 512K or larger MAC (same for MIDI), and
    the package comes with a manual (5x7) and disk containing Music
    Writer, Music Player, and Instrument Maker. For best performance
    (with ConcertWare+MIDI) a MIDI compatible synthesizer is recommended.
    
    ====================================================
    
    my notes:
    
    Using Imagewriter is OK, but the dotted notes tend to get hard to
    read, since the "dot" gets very close to the "tail" of any 8th or
    less duration note. Laserwriter, I assume, is the answer here.
    
    The Sonata fonts you get with package are for screen/Imagewriter
    representation only. They are NOT the actual Sonata font from Adobe.
    You purchase that under seperate cover (ComputerWare, Palo Alto
    - $70 appx). Only required if you are going to print onto Laserwriter.
    
    They are not making any fasle promises here... if they say they
    do it, they do it. In fact, I have found G/W tends to err on a
    conservative side, and make features too weak... take this with
    a big grain of salt, since I am a very novice musician.
    
    It's NOT Professional Composer!! After all, it's aimed at a different
    market, and it's only $120 or so!! One thing I'm not too sure about
    is that I seem to see G/W doing everyting inside the program for
    MIDI where OpCode Systems seems to break things into modules - this
    is where I need feedback from more knowledgable people. Is this
    an OK thing to do (aside from the programming aspect of a huge
    package!), and are there advantages to either??
    
    So far the only way to get the data "out" is to cut into clipboard
    and paste (ugh) into MACPaint!!!!!!!! Big lose to me here... sigh.
    It does read old format ConcertWare stuff, but I do not know if
    it reads DMCS formats, or any other formats... I assume not.
    
    The quantization dialog was a bit queer at first, then I discovered
    it simply shows you all the possible values a note might want to
    take on in the recording (when you play into it, and have it write
    the notes for you). So you select every possible note duration (rests
    too) and start playing!! After I figured this out, entering music
    was accurate and quick! I have not tried to simply set the SMALLEST
    duration necessary, and have it "add it up" to create longer notes,
    but will get there pretty soon.
    
    GW has a hotline (if I recal the handbook correctly), and their
    staff is small (appx 7 people)... another concern here I have is
    at the MACWorld, COncertWare was 1/2 the booth, the rest being kids
    games/education products - not music at all!! Hopefully, this is
    just to keep business going, not a new thrust for this fine company.
    
    If you want more info on ConcertWare+, call Great Wave at (408)
    438-1990, Pacific time, or write to them at:
    
         Great Wave Software
         53533 Scotts Valley Drive
         Scotts Valley, Ca.     95066
    
    I know ComputerWare, Palo Alto, Ca. has this product at reasonable
    prices, and am sure the East Coast/rest of the world has the equivalent
    places/stores.  Oh yeah... there is color support, but since I only
    have a mono screen.... sigh.
1127.5DFLAT::DICKSONNetwork Design toolsTue Jan 26 1988 15:495
The Writer component plays back through the Mac's speaker using the ConcertWare
instrument definitions (you can make up your own as described), OR through the
MIDI-out to your synths.  (Pick one)  The playback in MIDI mode will sound
exactly the same as with the Player program, since it is your synth doing all
the audio work. 
1127.6version 5DFLAT::DICKSONWed Aug 16 1989 19:5221
    Version 5 of ConcertWare+MIDI should be available in October, according
    to what the developer told me at MacExpo in Boston last week.  It adds
    ability to read and write standard MIDI files, can draw guitar chord
    symbols, has a guideline that text snaps to so it is easier to make it
    line up your lyrics.  The Multi-cut/multi-paste dialogs are supposed to
    be easier to use.  It also adds a bunch of notation things so you can
    put accent marks, staccato, and such like on your notes.  These do not
    have any effect on how it plays, just how it looks.  (He said he had to
    draw the line somewhere.  This isn't Finale.)
    
    Oh yeah - the triplet notation is now correct.
    
    The upgrade plan for registered users of version 4 will be something
    like $50.  It is $189 for new users.  He said if you don't get a flyer
    by the end of September to give them a call.
    
    On the children's programs:  Great Wave is a very small company that
    does two things:  ConcertWare, and the children stuff.  Chad Mitchell
    is the programmer, with a music degree I think.  His wife's interest is
    in children's education.  So those two things are their focus, and
    always have been, with equal emphasis.
1127.7V5 detailsKOBAL::DICKSONWed Oct 04 1989 12:3838
    I just got my upgrade notice for ConcertWare+MIDI v5.  Retail price is
    $189.95.  Upgrade for owners of CW+MIDI v4 is $35.  For owners of plain
    CW (no MIDI) the upgrade is $99.  This is a limited-time offer expiring
    Oct 15.
    
    Midi features:
    	Supports Apple MIDI Manager
    	Instrument library holds MIDI mappings
    	Imports and exports standard MIDI files
    
    Notation features:
    	Centering whole rests and better triplet grouping
    	Dotted rest and tacit measure options
    	New "ConcertWare" font includes screen and PostScript formats.
    		(No more need to pay Adobe prices for laser printing!)
    	Double sharps and flats
    	Auto transpose allows different key signatures on different staves
    		for instruments in other keys.
    	Crescendo and decrescendo
    	Various new note markings, like "8va"
    	Printing includes page preview, page numbering, and printing to
    		both PICT and Paint files.
    	Any rest or group of rests may be hidden on printout
    	New time signature option "free time" allows manual bar placement
    
    Music entry and editing features:
    	Note Mover tool allows pitch and duration changes.
    	Lyric alignment rulers, measure numbers, access to special music
    		symbols.
    	Guitar chords in a customizable palette.
    	More powerful Undo
    	Cut/copy/paste/multicut, etc support standard clipboard and
    		scrapbook.  (Hmm, use the system scrapbook to store
    		your favorite hooks, or if you are Philip Glass, your
    		favorite arpeggios.)
    	Long selections of notes can be beamed to a beat
    	Key split on recording allows two voices to be recorded
    		simultaneously from one channel