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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
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1120.0. "Recommendation - Powered Keyboard Monitor for Gigs" by COGVAX::LABAK () Mon Jan 04 1988 16:09

      I am interested in purchasing a powered monitor for my keyboards.
    I was wondering what some of you noters use. I will be using this
    during live performances. Some of the features I am looking for...
    
    	- Able to handle lows as well as highs. I play bass lines with
          the left hand.
    	- Something that is not to bulky or heavy. 
    	- More then one input. Is their such a thing ?
    	- Bass treble and volume control.
    	- Price range from $125.00 to $250.00
    	- Enough power to hear it over a heavy-hitting drummer.
                               
      I tried the new keyboard monitor that Yamaha has out, nice unit
      but it didn't have treble or bass control.
    	
    	Any help on this is appreciated !        
    
                                            Rick L.
                                          
    :New toys for 88.
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1120.1TOA Stage Monitor SLEDS::ORINRaucous Roland RenegadesMon Jan 04 1988 16:2315
    	- Able to handle lows as well as highs. I play bass lines with
          the left hand.
    	- Something that is not to bulky or heavy. 
    	- More then one input. Is their such a thing ?
    	- Bass treble and volume control.
    	- Price range from $125.00 to $250.00
    	- Enough power to hear it over a heavy-hitting drummer.

I use a TOA Stage Monitor Speaker model SM-25M. It is 100 watts and very
compact, has a tone control, line level, and a microphone input with
separate volume control. If your drummer is that loud, you will want to mount
your monitor on a stand to get it up near your ears. I think it cost about
$175.00 at E.U. Wurlitzer in Framingham. Try the Worcester store.

Dave
1120.2Thanks for the Help!COGVAX::LABAKTue Jan 05 1988 16:365
    Dave, Thanks for the reply on this. It seems to be what I'm looking
    for. I'll stop down and check it out.
    
                                  Rick L.
    
1120.3More info on TOA SM-25M?FGVAXZ::LAINGPipe Dreamer * Jim Laing * 261-2194Tue Jan 05 1988 17:375
    I'm gonna check that TOA out also.  Could [.1] give a little more
    info, if you have it?  Driver(s) in the unit, frequency response,
    etc?
    
    -Jim
1120.4an alternative keyboard monitorCOUGAR::JANZENto cogitate and to solveTue Jan 05 1988 17:562
    I like KMON in RT11.  It echoes characters in type ahead.
    Tom
1120.5SM-25M vs SM-25A: what's the difference?OILCAN::DIORIOTue Jan 05 1988 18:217
    
    I put some money down on a used TOA monitor at Daddy's (Salem) the other
    day. The model number is SM-25A. What's the difference between the
    SM-25A and the SM-25M? 
    
    
    Mike
1120.6AKOV68::EATONDTue Jan 05 1988 18:256
RE < Note 1120.5 by OILCAN::DIORIO >

>                 -< SM-25M vs SM-25A: what's the difference? >-

	about 12 letters...    

1120.7more SM-25M infoLEDS::ORINRaucous Roland RenegadesWed Jan 06 1988 19:5119
More SM-25M info:

25 watts rms (not 100, sorry it's still plenty loud)
1/4" +4db input, 1/4" -20db input/output, 3 pin XLR mic input
cost about $225.00 (it's gone up) in stock at Boston Wurlitzer
frequency response 90hz to 20khz, not real strong bass response
speakers 5" woofer, 2" horn tweeter

It's very compact and very loud for a small GB band. For a loud rock
band, it might not be enough unless you use a stand and get it up
close. The sound quality is very good as a vocal, guitar, or keyboard
monitor. This unit will probably not do well with loud, low bass notes.
It's about the only compact, high quality, powered monitor for a decent
price that I could find.

I don't know about the SM-25A, but am interested in a comparison of
features.

Dave
1120.8How about another fine Kawai product.BOLT::BAILEYSteph BaileyThu Jan 07 1988 20:2331
    Ohhh.  I thought I was outclassed with that 100 watts and all those
    features.  But since I'm not, I shall describe my monitor.
    
    The Kawai KM-60.
    
         1)  60 watts
         2)  12-inch woofer, 1.5 (or something) tweeter.
         3)  4 individual inputs.
         4)  Treble, Mid and Base controls (+-12 db)
         5)  Built-in spring reverb.
         6)  Mono effects loop.
         7)  Channels 1+2 and 3+4 are individually switchable to
               both the reverb and the effect send.
         8)  Line-level output.
    (There is one other RCA jack on the back, but heck if I can remember
    what it does!)
    
    Physically, it looks like a big, black speaker enclosure.  It is
    made out of particle board, and is quite heavy.
    
    It seems to have enough guts to do a decent job with pretty much
    any sound (y compris bass-drums).  It also seems to be resonably
    durable.
    
    I honestly don't remember the exact price (I bought it in a fit
    of pique before I started doing all this comparison shopping), but
    I recall that it was around $300.
    
    E. U. Wurlitzers carries them.
    
    Steph
1120.9LEDS::ORINRaucous Roland RenegadesFri Jan 08 1988 15:4416
re: Kawai KM-60.
    
I guess the trade-offs here are size, weight, cost, and power. The Kawai
sounds like a good unit for a loud rock band with a truck to carry the
equipment and roadies to do the work. For portability, the TOA is
excellent. It weighs about 10 lbs., is approx. 8"x 12", and is very loud
for its size. The Kawai seems like it would be better for the bass with
that 12". It's more like a 1 channel amp than a monitor. A Peavey
musician amp head has 210 watts, 4 input channels, graphic eq, reverb,
phase, external pedal for channel switching and effects on/off, separate
channel pre-amp, parametric eq, line/monitor outputs, etc. and costs
in the $300 range. Pick up a small used speaker with a horn and a 12"
woofer and you're all set. The Peavey weighs about 20 lbs and is very portable.
This could serve as an amp or a monitor.

Dave
1120.10Features of the TOA SM-25AOILCAN::DIORIOFri Jan 08 1988 17:0322
    I picked up my TOA SM-25A yesterday. Used it at practice last night.
    It's excellent! I'm very happy with it. Dave, you asked for a list
    of features (for comparison purposes). Here they are:
    
    Powered
    2 speakers  one 2-inch, and 1 5-inch
    On/OFF switch
    Power indicator LED (red)
    Volume slider
    Headphone jack
    Two jacks on rear panel one for INPUT (+4dBm), the other 
    BRIDGE (-20dBm). Both are spring-loaded, so that the cord cannot
    accidentally become disconnected.
    An adjustable swivel-type bracket is attached to the monitor, and
    includes a threaded hole for mounting on a Mic stand.
    
    The unit draws 30 W, So it is safe to assume that it puts out 
    25 W (I'm sure that's what the 25 stands for in the model number).
       
    How do these features compare to the ones found on the SM-25M?
    
    Mike D.
1120.11A=amp M=micLEDS::ORINRaucous Roland RenegadesMon Jan 11 1988 12:308
>    How do these features compare to the ones found on the SM-25M?

It sounds exactly the same, except the SM-25M has an XLR microphone input
and separate mic input volume control. I never use the mic input anyway.
Maybe the A stands for amplifier and the M for microphone. How much was the
25A?

Dave
1120.12notes referenceLEDS::ORINRaucous Roland RenegadesMon Jan 11 1988 14:313
Check out notes 919 and 842. They might be of some help.

Dave
1120.13$89 usedOILCAN::DIORIOTue Jan 12 1988 16:4211
    Re .11
    
    Dave,
    
    I bought my TOA SM-25A at Daddy's in Salem NH -- used. Price $89.
    It was originally $119, but I hemmed and hawed so much (because
    I really couldn't afford to buy anything especially around
    Christmastime, NOT because I'm such a brilliant negotiator!!) that he
    lowered it to $89. It sounded like a good deal, so I went with it.
    Do you think I got a decent deal?
    Mike