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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:	* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:	Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:	Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	2852
Total number of notes:	33157

1061.0. "Recommendations - Atari ST Computer Software Sequencer" by HARDY::JKMARTIN (Jay Martin) Mon Dec 14 1987 15:01

    Does anyone know of software available for the Atari ST which would
    allow me to tap-tap-tap on my Roland TR505 and get some semblance
    of a MIDI event recorder.
    
    Particularly, I want to be able to declare some sort of tempo, start
    the recording, and tap on the drum machine.  What I want is to be
    able to see relatively accurate notes (in terms of time, ie, quarter
    notes, eight notes, etc) in a staff-like presentation.
    
    I have perused the notes, but didn't see anything that stood out
    with regard to this kind of requirement.
    
    Thanks in advance.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
1061.1	Look for a cheap sequencer.	ACORN::BAILEY	Steph Bailey	`Tue Dec 15 1987 11:34`	13
	I'm not quite sure where the emphasis is in your requirements, but what you want seems to [mostly] be a sequencer. For staff representation, you pay through the nose (~$250 or more). There are tons of top drawer sequencers. (Hybrid Arts, Passport, and Dr. T all make something appropriate). If you want to just record it, and never see it, you can pay as little as $45 or so. As far as a dedicated drum machine sequencer, there is no such beast. (At least I'm quite sure there isn't). How's your C? Steph
1061.2	There's some software...	JAWS::COTE	If ya gotta go, go 1st class...	`Tue Dec 15 1987 11:36`	4
	The November edition of EM did a review on some dedicated drum software. I forget what units it ran on.... Edd
1061.3	PC + Software needed	HPSTEK::RHODES		`Tue Dec 15 1987 11:43`	15
	What .0 needs is a PC based MIDI sequencer with extra software to convert MIDI into musical notation. There is some software out there that does this, tho I don't know much about this end of things. 1. You set the tempo of the sequencer and listen to its metronome 2. You hit the keys on the front of the TR505 3. Key hits get recorded via MIDI to the sequencer 4. Run the notation program over the sequence, and print it out. Note that some quantization adjustment may be necessary within the sequencer in order to remove the human timing errors from the sequence. Now, can anyone suggest a PC and some software? Todd.
1061.4	Some day I'll listen before I speak...	HPSTEK::RHODES		`Tue Dec 15 1987 11:46`	6
	Dummy me. He already has an Atari ST. Does the EA Delux Music Construction Set have this capability? Todd.
1061.5	A bit of a clarification of requirements	HARDY::JKMARTIN	Jay Martin	`Tue Dec 15 1987 12:27`	18
	Well, perhaps I should say that having the drum sequences displayed as notes on a staff is really frosting on the cake, and that just displaying "dots" (or "bars") on a timeline would be more than adequate. Please excuse my obvious ignorance of available software. Are you folks saying that a "plain vanilla" sequencer can record notes in real time and allow subsequent editing? (Oh, did I mention the need to edit before?...) Re: .1 Why yes, my C is just fine, thanx. I've been looking for an interesting music-related program to write, and this might be just the ticket to hack on. BUT, I don't want to do anything if I can go out and buy software. As much as I love writing code, I'd much rather jam...
1061.6	Try your local music store.	MAY20::BAILEY	Steph Bailey	`Wed Dec 16 1987 20:23`	26
	>> ... can a vanilla sequencer ... Yes. All sequencers allow for real-time recording, and virtually all provide editing capabilities after music is recorded. How much editing is what varies. For example, a $200+ program would (probably) allow insertion and deletion of arbitrary notes and sections. It also provide some sort of display of what you have on the tracks. (dots or notes). I have Passport's MIDI Soft Studio, a $60 program which only allows the copying of some portion of one track to an arbitrary point in another track. So if you want to insert a note where there is a rest, you will have to delete that beat from the track, create a new track with the appropriate note, and then insert that note into the first track. Not very easy, but usable. I usually re-record a whole section rather than trying to twiddle with individual notes in this way. MIDIsoft does not provide any form of display. The best thing to do is to go to your local music store and ask to play with some ST sequencers. I'm sure you can find one that will do what you want, but the question is, can you stand the price. Steph
1061.7	Clever People these !	MINDER::KENT	But there's no hole in the middle	`Thu Dec 17 1987 07:21`	12
	I have been looking fairly seriously at the Atari based Steinberg PRO-24 software in the last week or so. This would certainly offer you the functionality you require including a GEM based score editor, which is the main reason I am finding it irresistable at the moment. Unfortunately, as Steph implied it costs mucho moolah, 280 pounds in the U.K. and will only run on a 1040ST. But it looks like one of the best Midi recorder's I have personally seen. Paul.