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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

937.0. "Ensoniq Mirage Sampler - Changes from First to Now" by LOLITA::DIORIO () Wed Sep 09 1987 14:25

    I am now in the market for a *used* Ensoniq Mirage. The trouble is
    this:
    
    I don't want one of the oldest models, because I've heard they are
    quite noisy, etc.
    
    I don't want one of the newest models, because I've heard they don't
    have a sampling filter (or whatever it is) and therefore are not that
    good for doing your own samples (which I *really* want to get into).
    
    I DO want ones of the "middle" models. The one on which they improved
    the sound (S/N ratio?), etc., and which still has the sampling filter
    (or whatever it is) that makes it good for doing you own samples.
    
    All you Mirage owners out there....do you follow me?
    
    The problem is that I don't know how to tell the "middle" model
    from the oldest (noisiest) model. Is there a sure way to tell one
    from the other? Perhaps by the serial number? Or any external
    differences in the unit? I've heard that it
    is hard to tell the difference when just listening to it through an amp.
    
    If no one can answer this for me, could someone give me the telephone
    number for Ensoniq so that I can call them?
    
    Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance...
    
    Mike D. 
    
            
    
     
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937.1contact Daddy'sSUBSYS::ORINWed Sep 09 1987 14:448
    Hi Mike -
    
    I suggest you contact Daddy's Junky Music in Nashua N.H. They carry
    this keyboard and some used keyboards (603) 888-1160. They should have
    or be able to obtain information for you on how to contact Ensoniq
    and what models have which features.
   
    Dave
937.2InfoJAWS::COTENote stuck? Try Kawai...Wed Sep 09 1987 14:5111
    Ensoniq Co. is located in Malvern, PA. Don't know the number...
    
    The easiest way to tell the newest from the old is by the color
    and location of the drive. The new models have the drive located
    on top and the older ones have it located in front.
    
    The anti-aliasing filter (150db/octave cut) is a $150 add on for
    the oldest models and is built into the newer and newest. I've got
    the filter. Be glad to demo if you're interested.
    
    Edd
937.3Feel the keyboard, look at the buttonsCTHULU::YERAZUNISPeople explode all the time. Natural causes.Wed Sep 09 1987 15:1024
    The way to tell the oldest from the old is by the feel of the keyboard.
    
    Extremely old mirages have an unweighted keyboard, which some people
    say felt like playing on old sponges.  They went to the same keyboard
    feel as the ESQ (medium weight, low friction) about the time the ESQ
    came out. 
    
    Then they went from big buttons (about 1 cm x 1.5 cm) to little buttons
    like the ESQ has (about 5 mm by 1 cm).
    	
    Then they started making the Mirage DSK- which says "DSK" in big yellow
    letters,  and has the floppy disk above the pitch bend and mod wheels,
    rather than below them. 
               
    
    I thought the DSK couldn't use the input sampling filter, but did
    NOT have one built in.  (actually, you don't NEED the filter unless
    you are sampling at lower frequencies than the built-in filter can
    go.)
    
    Can any Mirage and Mirage DSK owners out there enter the specs for
    the sampling freq. limits of their respective machines?  It'd be
    nice to have them here.
                                                        
937.4JAWS::COTENote stuck? Try Kawai...Wed Sep 09 1987 16:223
    With the anti-aliasing filter, mine can sample at 50Khz.
    
    Edd
937.5going going goneJON::ROSSsynapses unite ! Wed Sep 09 1987 18:323
    
    for like .5 seconds?
    
937.6Quality vs. QuantityJAWS::COTENote stuck? Try Kawai...Wed Sep 09 1987 18:523
     Yep, but it's a CLEAN .5 sec....
    
    Edd
937.7surfs up!!!JON::ROSSsynapses unite ! Wed Sep 09 1987 20:1411
    
    Chock full o bits too. 
    
    8 big ones. +/- 1 lsb, I bet.  
    
    Ok call it .5 sec of 7 clean bits worth o stuff but at 50Khz

    thats alot of waves....

    huh?
    
937.8Am I answering my own question?LOLITA::DIORIOThu Sep 10 1987 19:1116
    Thanks for all the help everybody! I found out some additional
    information that I'd like to share:
    
    Ensoniq's phone number: 215-647-3930
    
    Other ways to tell between the oldest and "newer" models:
    
    Oldest ones have all black buttons on the keypad.
    Newer ones have different colors as well, like gray, white?, etc.
    
    Newer ones have serial numbers above 1471 (that's what the Ensoniq
    rep *thought* anyway --he also said to be safe, go with units with
    numbers 1500 and up).
    
    Mike D.
    
937.9Used Mirage for $700AQUA::ROSTFast and bulbous, tight alsoTue Sep 15 1987 17:368
    
    If you are in MA, run do not walk to your phone...
    
    From this week's new WantAdvertiser...
    
    Mirage, $700....call Eric (Brockton) 587-2168
    
    
937.10The one that got away!LOLITA::DIORIOTue Sep 15 1987 17:455
    I just called, and this Mirage has been sold. Sh*t!!
    
    The search continues....
    
    MD
937.11:^)JAWS::COTE115db, but it's a DRY thud...Tue Sep 15 1987 17:481
    
937.12smiley, schmiley....JON::ROSSsynapses unite ! Tue Sep 15 1987 19:215
    
    whats that little smirk, cote?
    
    hmmmm?
    
937.13Hypothetically speaking...JAWS::COTE115db, but it's a DRY thud...Tue Sep 15 1987 20:055
    Does anyone know if the Mirage supports that "Overflow Mode" like
    the ESQ-1, where it ships any notes over the 8-voice limit down
    to the next one?????
    
    Edd
937.14Ever thought of running for office?AKOV76::EATONDSampled water-glass, slightly detunedTue Sep 15 1987 20:135
RE < Note 937.13 by JAWS::COTE >

	Good technique, Edd.  Change the subject.

	Dan
937.15I get it now!LOLITA::DIORIOWed Sep 16 1987 14:133
    RE: 11 Perhaps what Mr.Cote is alluding to is that he may have been
    the one to purchase that Mirage for $700! 
    
937.16Search successfulLOLITA::DIORIOFri Oct 02 1987 14:2112
    Well, I finally found the Mirage I wanted and picked it up last
    night! It came with a hard-shell case, over 20 disks, the Advanced
    Sampling Guide, and a stand. I love it! Got it just in time for
    the gig tonight. I do have an additional question about the factory
    disks however...
    
    I got a price list sent to me from Ensoniq with all the disks that
    they offer. I noticed that the disks that I got with my unit have
    all the same sounds, but they are arranged differently on the disks.   
    Is there any explanation for these differences?
    
    Mike D.
937.17Basically no difference...JAWS::COTEBddddttttYEEeeoowww! (C. Hynde)Fri Oct 02 1987 15:448
    There's really no explanation. Ensoniq just moved some of the
    samples around for whatever reason...
    
    I remember reading in The Transoniq Hacker (get a subscription)
    that most, if not all, the sample were identical to the earlier
    release. I can look up any differences if you want.
    
    Edd
937.18wanna be a hackerLOLITA::DIORIOFri Oct 02 1987 18:295
    re .17  Yeah, Edd if you can find out about any differences and post
    them, that'd be cool. Also...how do I get a subscription to The
    Transoniq Hacker? Got a subscription form?
    
    Mike D