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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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754.0. "Casio RZ1 Drum Machine" by JON::ROSS (wockin' juan) Wed Apr 08 1987 13:11

    Ok. Anyone heard/played, or want to admit they own, a
    
    RZ-1
        
    Discounted I bet this baby is $300 range.
    
    Features? PCM and user sampling of 4 sounds total= ~1second
    
    But how do the cymbals sound? 
    
    here we go again.
    
    
    ron_whos_getting_a_mechano-drummer_next_he_thinks
     
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754.1At least these new units are better than those old "Cha Cha boxes"DREGS::BLICKSTEINDaveWed Apr 08 1987 14:3271
    I have one.
    
    Starting caveat: I'm new at this, and don't have much experience
    	doing my own recordings with the RZ-1 yet.  Most of my comments
    	are based on experience recording only about 3-4 songs.  Some
        of my comments are based on "how" I expect to do things in the
        future based on my experiences so far.
    
    Based on what I heard on the COMMUSIC tape, I'd say that the sounds
    on the RZ-1 were somewhat inferior to those of the TR-707 (which
    seems to be the most popular unit).  However, it may be that there
    are tricks in recording them that I'm not familiar with.  A friend
    of mine borrowed my RZ-1 and ran it through some delay effects and
    it sounded much better than my attempts at recording from it, but
    still not as good as some of the COMMUSIC II tape stuff I heard.
    
    Since you specifically asked about cymbols, I think that's probably
    the weak point.  All sounds on the thing are sampled sounds and
    I get the impression that the cymbals were recorded dry, and thus
    sound dry.   The crash cymbal also has a problem in that it cuts
    off very quickly because the sample is time-limited.  This can be
    corrected with reverb to some extent.
    
    So why did I get one?   Well there are a lot of pluses:
    
      o	Try and find a machine that lets YOU create samples in this
    	price range!  I think the sampling feature is very valuable.
        You can use it to partially hide the fact that a drum machine
      	is being used.  For example, you can have 5 snare drum sounds,
    	which adds a little "human imperfection" to the sound.  Also
        You can have a lot of fun with the sampling.  I once did a track
        substituting the real drums with vocal imitations of drums.
        It also makes it possible to get sounds not generally found
        on drum machines.   One sound that I use pretty frequently
        is just hitting two drumsticks together.   I'm surprised this
        isn't found on more machines.  I use it as the count-off.
        The RZ-1 comes with a cassette of 90 drum sounds that you can
        sample.  BTW, the sampler on it is pretty good but of course
        time limited (.8 seconds)
    
    o 	The RZ-1 has separate volume controls and outputs for almost
        all the sounds (pretty much all the ones that need to be separate).
        I've used the separate outputs only once (or twice), but the
    	separate volume controls are essential as far as I'm concerned.
        I find that setting them even is fine for playing the unit live,
        but when you record it, the mix screws up the drum balance and
        you have to bring things in and out (using both the mixer section
        of the RZ-1 and using EQ).
          
	You don't see separate outputs and volume controls on many units
        in this price range.
    
    	BTW, you don't need to use the separate outputs to get stereo.
        The RZ-1 has stereo outputs.  There aren't any pan controls
    	for the instruments.  The RZ-1 has a sortof "builtin" pan control
    	that places individual drum instruments at various places in
        the stereo audio field.   I think this more than "sufficient".
    	You get a balanced mono track automatically if you only plug
        into one of the two stereo outputs.

    Bottom line: there are lots of units out there better than the RZ-1
    but nonetheless it is a marvel in its price range.

    	db
    
    P.S.  Somewhere in here, someone published a list of drum specs.
          I printed it out, took it home and added a column for the
          RZ-1 but haven't typed it in yet.
    
    P.P.S.  If you'd like to see and touch and fool around with an RZ-1
            you could drop by sometime and see mine.
754.2Tuning?LOLITA::DIORIOFri Jun 19 1987 19:352
    Dave, can you tune the toms and/or cymbals?
    
754.3Don't like ours, grow your ownDREGS::BLICKSTEINDaveFri Jun 19 1987 21:3634
    > Dave, can you tune the toms and/or cymbals?
    
    Nope, but if you don't like the tuning of the toms or the cymbals
    you can add your own via sampling.
    
    One of the great things about having the sampling is that it can
    be used to make it sound a bit less like a drum machine.  You
    accomplish this by doing things like using two snare sounds, or
    two cymbal sounds, etc.
    
    The other thing sampling allows you to do is add exotic percussion
    (or even just latin percussion).
    
    The RZ-1 isn't all that flexible.  You have a total of .8 seconds
    of sampled time which can be partitioned one of 3 ways:
    
    	o 1 .8 second sampled sound
    	o 2 .4 second sampled sounds
    	o 4 .2 second sampled sounds
    
    A cymbal requires at least .8 seconds (more really), but most 
    other percussion instruments get by with .2 or .4 seconds.  You
    can also make up for the lack of sampled sound with appropriate
    usage of reverb.
    
    For example, the builtin crash cymbal sound cuts off rather abruptly
    due to the architectural limit of .8 (for both builtin and sampled
    sounds).  Without reverb it's quite noticeable.  With reverb, you'd
    never know there was a problem.
    
    It's really an incredible unit for its general price, and a steal
    (MUST BUY, I'd say) at anything $400 or below.

    	db