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Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
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Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

635.0. "Review: Moeller's latest musical offering" by BARNUM::RHODES () Thu Jan 08 1987 12:53

I am entering this note into this conference rather than the MUSIC conference
because I feel that it is an experiment using MIDI, and because Karl 
Moeller is known on a more personal level in this conference.

Well, here is the review of Karl Moeller's latest musical offering which
utilizes an MKS20 MIDIed up to a Kawai synth.  The reason that I jumped
at the offer to obtain this music is because I am a person who not only
enjoys KM's previous offerings, but who also enjoys experimental music.
The combination of the two sounded very inviting.

This entire tape is a pleasure to listen when it is taken in an experimental
context.  Not to say that their aren't some pieces that wouldn't add some
flavor if sprinkled in an album of solo piano music.  Although some of the
improvised pieces are structured enough to sound precomposed, some of the
pieces sound very improvised and take a bit of time to firm up.  I don't
think that the purpose of this album is to be a grand offering, however.

Given that the goal of this offering is to experiment with available 
technology and to explore new timbres and accompanyment methods in an 
aurally pleasing mannor, I would say that the goal is met.

Prelude - nice tonality and texture.  The 'openness' of this piece gets 
		the listener involved in an anticipational manner.  This
		is a nice intro piece that to me doesn't sound improvised.
		The length is perfect for an intro piece.

City Nights - I love the timbre on this one.  The Kawai almost has a 'breathy'
		quality to it, much like an accordian in places.  This is
		a very Avant Garde type of piece with nice dynamics including
		powerful crescendos.

Hitchcock Vox - Creative use of piano/synth combo.  The length of this one
		matches the content nicely.  I like this one.

La Chatte Noire - Starts off with a bit of dabbling that gives its improv
		identity away, which eventually takes some form.  This one
		never really got me going.  2:15 length is comfortable.

The Kiss - Nice catchy tune.  The synth strings here make for an effective
		backup.  The break in the middle is very effective.

Canon in 'D' - Interesting version done with MKS20 harpsichord and lagging
		synth.

With A Twist - Some parts of this I like.  The quick stacatto high_note/low_
		note seesawing is very interesting texturewise.  Otherwise,
		this piece does not really capture my interest.

Wedding Dance - This starts off slow and eventually works into a nice catchy
		tune.  I would liked it to have continued longer than its 
		3:20 duration.

New Drool - While this has an interesting "essence" to it (nice swelling
		synth sound) and has a nice timbre combination between the
		vibes/synth, I found this to be a bit long.  Good for back-
		ground music though.

Koto Rock - Nice metallic sound here.  Structurewise though, the length fits 
		the content.

Katzentanz - It is clear that this one is improvised in that it visits many
		different themes before finally latching onto one.  Nice
		texture.

TickyTacky - I never really got into this one.  A little to "stabby" for
		my tastes, and definitely has that "seat of the pants" 
		improv feel.

Short Visit - This is a very Avant Garde tune.  I really like this one.
		The synth here paints a nice picture and produces an eerie
		atmosphere.  Nice textures.

It's a Snap - The sample/hold filter in this one reminds me of my old analog
		days.  The synth combines nicely with the piano.  This one
		also paints a nice picture.

Walpurgisnacht - I love the strings on this one.  The mix of harpsichord
		and strings is interesting.  The tune is nice.

Power Spot - This has a nice mixture of LFO'ed analog strings/horns and
		piano.  It has some interesting movements that help keep 
		the song in motion.

Mr. Hopeful - This is one of my favorites.  Great tune.  It is immediately
		clear that this one was not improvised at the time of
		recording.  My only complaint upon listening is that the 
		strings sound too "attached" to the piano via MIDI.  More 
		on this at the conclusion.  I would definitely like to 
		hear a version of this piece with overdubbed strings ala 
		Alphaville.  The length is perfect and leaves listener 
		wanting more.

Straight Talk - I like the experimental sound of this one.  The ring modulation
		adds a nice eerie sound, and adds to some nice slow fading
		textures.  The length is very effective.

Blues Waltz - This one is my favorite.  I find it hard to believe that
		this one was improvised.  It develops immediately and holds
		a nice theme throughout.  Beautiful chord progressions.
 		I can't help but wonder how this tune would sound with a
		great blues singer like Bette Midler riding it with lyrics.
                Truly a sad song with a waltzy feel, making Blues Waltz
		a very appropriate title.  The length is perfect.  This 
		one deserves future attention.

More Drool - Like New Drool, it is interesting to listen to as background
		music.  Very hypnotic and almost dream like.



Conclusion:

	Upon listening to this collection of music aftering enjoying
	"Alphaville" on the Commusic I tape, I find that the orchestration
	provided by the Kawai is a bit unnatural in that it follows the MKS20
	in lockstep due to their being MIDI'ed together.  This is the 
	motivation behind the comment made above (See Mr. Hopeful).  
	The concept of MIDI'ing up more than one synth to create backup 
	orchestration (as most of these works do) rather than just creating
	new patches through additive mixing is interesting.

	Of course, I realize that this tape was made as more of an experiment
	than anything else, and being the experimental music connoisseur that
	I am, I find the music and the textures and the moods presented both 
	creative and interesting.  

	I also feel that many of these works would add some spice to an album 
	of mostly solo piano music if sprinkled in sparingly (say in a 4
	to 1 ratio).

	Mr. Hopeful and Blues Waltz are great pieces, and both deserve to 
	be followed up, perhaps in an orchestral overdub arrangement ala 
	Alphaville.

	No, you can't have my copy back, Mr. Moeller.  I like it, and listen
	to it often.

Todd.
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635.1Can I hear it?BRAHMS::BARTHThu Jan 08 1987 17:0612
    So, Todd, will you let the rest of us enjoy some of these textures,
    or are you just going to wet or appetites and then tease us by keeping
    the tape yourself!
    
    Seriously, I would really like to hear this, if possible.  If you
    have reservations about sending the tape around lest you never see
    it again, I could make a copy of it and send back the original --
    if you trust me!
    
    Anyway, if you want to, my mail stop is  LTN1-2/B17
    
    	Ron
635.2BARNUM::RHODESThu Jan 08 1987 17:227
re: -.1

Ron, see note 596 (I think).  You might as well get it directly from Karl
and get a 2nd generation rather than deal with a 3rd generation...

Todd.

635.3Ok, I'm late, I know....JAWS::COTEIn Search of Excellence. Seen any?Thu Jan 22 1987 11:3471
    I too requested a copy of Karl's "Unreleases".
    
    Having admired his work since hearing his submissions to the ill-
    fated "Commusic I" (his rendition of "Tocatta" was my favorite)
    and having purchased copies of "Still Life" for both myself and
    a friend, I eagerly awaited his new releases.
    
    Geez, I really hate to say this, but... I was a bit disappointed.
    
    Now, before I'm subjected to Nukes from Tucson, let me try to explain
    why...
    
    Karl is a damn good pianist. I've heard lots of noters perform and
    he's the best of the bunch, hands down, no contest. I'm an improv
    fan and his particular style of expanding on a theme suits my tastes
    just fine. The theme is never lost in Karl's pieces. (As opposed
    to some improvisational artists who like to thrill the listener
    by stretching a piece to the limits and snapping it back like a
    rubber band.)
    
    "Unreleases" doesn't suffer a bit from either lack of imagination
    or abuse. Immediately upon listening, I said to myself "Classic
    Moeller..." and laid back to listen. As the tape progressed, I
    found myself almost loosing interest though. Repeated listenings
    didn't change this.
    
    At the risk of adding fuel to a fire I'd just as soon see die out,
    I must confess something. The entity which I found disenchanting
    was (I know, heresy) MIDI.
    
    Throughout the majority of the tape Karl used his MKS-20 for piano.
    No problem there. I can't tell the difference. But, always tracking
    right along with his lead lines was the Kawai. Karl plays the piano,
    the Kawai dutifully tracks along behind. Karl stops, Kawai stops.
    
    I thought, "This sounds like a couple of synths on the same MIDI
    channel." Expecting some sort of counter-point between the 2, I
    continue to listen.
    
    Somewhat confused, I spoke with Karl and asked about the technique.
    As I recall the conversation, my guess was correct.
    
    That's the basis of my disappointment. Certainly not a pan of Karl's
    musical technique or creativity, but rather one of his use of the
    technology. I wanted to hear MOELLER, not Roland and Kawai. I like
    MOELLER. Really. (I also like Roland and Kawai, but in this particular
    instance I felt they obscured some really good music.)
    
    Not that this type of exploitation is inherently bad. The opening
    of 'The Black Cat Suite' uses this methodolgy well. A big fanfare.
    Yeah. Worked real well. But a fanfare is a method of setting something
    apart. When the same technique is over-used the differences become
    indistinct and everything gets blurred.
    
    Perfectly valid music, Karl. Well executed and certainly heartfelt.
    But next time, let the technology be the means, not the end.
    
    On the bright side!! I recieved Karl's submission to Commusic II
    and my faith was renewed. To the point, in fact, where I re-did
    the tape and put his "Woo-Woo Love" up first. (I wouldn't even
    put my own work on the same side!) You did it again, Karl. Scored
    the "Edd Cote's Favorite Submission - Pick to Click" award. You
    should all acquire a copy of Commusic II for this tune.
    
    You should all acquire a copy of "Unreleases" also. I'd hate to
    see some buffoon in a 3 piece suit saying possibly discouraging
    words be the last note. Mr. Moeller has lot's of good/interesting
    musical ideas. Listen to him. You'll be better for it.
    
    Edd
     
635.4I want to be freeMINDER::KENTThu Jan 22 1987 13:129
    
    
    Dear Karl
    
    Please could you improve me as a person by sending me a copy of
    your tape. How can we best arrange this? I would like to pass this
    tape around the Commusicians in Europe if that's Ok with you.
                                            
    				Paul.
635.5Improvisation means taking chances !16514::MOELLERIn Search of Tax-Free IncomeThu Jan 22 1987 16:3342
    Paul, please see note 596 for complete how-to-get-it info. I'd be 
    pleased to spread this music around a bit more. Anyone wishing to
    copy their dub for someone else has my permission.
    
>Note 596.0              Almost-Free Arizona Holiday Music              
========================================================================
>The music was recorded direct-to-tape, no overdubs, no sequencing.
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>The equipment used was a KX88 driving a Roland MKS-20 Digital piano
>rack module, and a KAWAI K3 synth, using two Alesis MIDIverbs and
>an Ibanez chorus/delay unit, mixed directly to tape.

    Surprise ! It's exactly what I said it would be ! The tape
    you hear is an edited version of the ones recorded whilst going thru 
    the patches on the KAWAI, letting the sounds suggest direction. It's 
    true, I'm primarily a pianist and that's how I think... pianistically. 
    
    Please remember, of all the pieces on this DOUBLE ALBUM - that's
    90 FULL minutes of music, only ** 3 ** were NOT improvised. You
    take your chances. I'm pleased and gratified that it has the hit
    ratio that it has... improvisation is the father of composition.
    I look at this as  a storehouse of ideas, many of which wouldn't 
    have come out without the added impetus of the KAWAI synth sounds. 
    I'd like to have polyphony going on, too, that's why I've already
    invested in a MAC with sequencer software and have an EMAX sampler
    on order.
    
    After listening to the tape a LOT, I made a revised version, trimming
    90 minutes down to less than 60. It works better, sounds tighter.
    Here's the new lineup :
    Side A :                      Side B :
    City Nights                   Koto Rock
    The Kiss                      Tickytacky
    Katzentanz                    Sunscape (formerly 'It's a Snap!')
                                  Walpurgisnacht
                                  Mr. Hopeful
                                  Blues Waltz
    
    Whaddya think, current listeners ? Should I shorten the tape for
    future listeners ? 

    karl_the_best_improviser_in_my_skin
635.6a function of moodBARNUM::RHODESWed Jan 28 1987 20:208
The condensed version looks like a good idea, Karl.  Of course, whether
or not it's "better" all depends on the audience.  I think a copy
of both the 60 minute version and the 90 minute version is a win.  They
both have different targets (much like 3:45 hit singles vs. 10:00 extended
dance singles)...

Todd.

635.7MENTALIGHTING WORLDROOLED SUNDAYMDR01::RUBENLiving in the fast laneMon Feb 23 1987 11:2537
    Yesterday I received the tape directly from Karl. Couldn't wait
    till late in the night: my favourite time to listen and enjoy music.
    
    But get my room dark, got my pipe, sat comfortable and get the tape
    inside my stuff... Now I know I have been exchanging notes with
    a real pianist!!
    
    Top sound quality. Creative indeed the "Canon in 'D'" version, but
    what I loved the most it was "New Drool". Karl, you made me feel
    good. I loved it to the most, kindly floating, listening dreams
    in the distance, riding on a green dust, whispering in red, diminished
    thru mirrors, far from reality...
    
    And I pressed the STOP button on my deck; then I rewinded the tape
    and began listening again "New Drool" (just a deed, because I knew
    there was "More Drool" on side 2).
    
    I'm just a listener, a bit dreamer, you may say. Sometimes I live
    inside my iron castle and don't want to get away. So I need something
    that makes my life more colorfull. I was "drooled" yesterday, you
    see, because a black crystal angel came to me and invited me for
    a walk. The LEDs in my recorder were strangely different and the
    sounds out of the baffles were getting liquid, spacechoed, hellighted,
    snowaves around.
    
    I'm not a musician so, Karl, I beg you pardon because you will never
    get from me a "professional" opinion. I am only a listener who wants
    to dream and, believe me, yesterday I listened your tape... and
    I dreamt.
    
    May I ask you to tell me if you have more music to enligthen my
    mentalighted world? 
    
    Twilights sparkling in a cyclonized cosmosky I saw, and then the
    black angel dissapeared in a wonderful archoviewed seascape... after
    90 minutes standing under a cloudstorm of tangram ricocheting in
    my ears...
635.8DARTS::COTEIncredibly mundane little man...Mon Feb 23 1987 12:054
    
    ... but did you *like* it?
    
    Edd                       
635.9Arrived in France too.PILOU::MULELIDStill crazy after all these years.Mon Feb 23 1987 13:3012
    The tape have arrived here in France too, but my cassette deck is
    in for repair right now (happened just as I ordered COMMUSIC TAPE
    II by the way) so Karl I have only had the chance to listen to it
    on my Walkman and that dont give the right improssion I think. So far
    I am impressed anyway, I got much the same feeling as the colorful
    noter Ruben writes. I like this kind of music very much and I will
    come back with more when I get to listen to it on my HiFi.
    
    Thanks a lot Karl.
    
    Svein
    
635.10Freefalling I loveMDR01::RUBENLiving in the fast laneTue Feb 24 1987 06:1416
    Answer to .8:
    
    Edd,
    
    Do you know anyone who hates a colorain? If you do: don't let him
    ever close to the red button. He will press it and we will all fly
    into pieces...
    
    Karl just sent me a one-way ticket to paradise. I'm sorry blind
    guys can't see the shinning sounds I see:
    
    Freefalling I love, 'cos grey shaded reality becomes a sparkling
    mirror in my eyes. "New Drool" I enjoyed to the most, 'cos fireworks
    produced in my brain.
    
    "But, did you like it?": Sure, I did!!
635.1116514::MOELLERPLANKALKUL Language SupportWed Feb 25 1987 16:0410
    Well, I didn't have NEARLY as much fun recording the music as Ruben
    has listening to it ! 
    
    I guess I'm embarrassed that I named the two long Space pieces 'New
    Drool' and 'More Drool'... shows my attitude toward 'Space' music
    in general, I suppose.
    
    I'm pleased that folks are enjoying the music.
    
    karl
635.12Sounds interesting!LOLITA::DIORIOFri Apr 03 1987 17:4811
    I'm new here to DEC, and all the talk about Karl's tape has me really
    interested. Is there a chance that I could also get a copy of your
    tape Karl? I am a keyboard player, and an improvisationalist myself.
    Sounds like you could be a good influence on me! So how about it?
    If I gather enough courage, I might be persuaded to share my own
    humble offerings. (I don't have much equipment, nor do I have much
    of a home studio.)
    
    Truly interested..
    
    Mke D.
635.13Me too!DREGS::BLICKSTEINDaveMon Apr 06 1987 18:343
    I'd like a copy also Karl.
    
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