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Conference napalm::commusic_v1

Title:* * Computer Music, MIDI, and Related Topics * *
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Created:Thu Feb 20 1986
Last Modified:Mon Aug 29 1994
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2852
Total number of notes:33157

317.0. "Chaining Sequencers?" by MENTOR::COTE (Sue me if I play too long...) Tue Apr 22 1986 12:03

    Has anyone had any experience chaining sequencers together? I have
    a chance to pick up another QX for cheap. I see 2 advantages to
    this...
    
               1. It will double my available memory.
               2. I strongly suspect I could effectively get the
                  Roland out of OMNI. (By dedicating one unit to
                  the JX and the other to the rest of my gear.)
    
    Any comments?
    
    Thanks
    
    Edd
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317.1MASTER::MANAGERFri Apr 25 1986 21:2412
    1) Can you backup the QX-7 to tape?  If so, it will be a pain in the
       ass to have 2 save sets for each song.
    
    2) Do you have a synch out and in on the QX's so one can drive the
       other?
    
    3) I don't think it will solve your problem with the Roland.
       A friend of mine had a QX but got rid of it because of MIDI
       problems with his Roland gear (Jupiter 6 and Juno 106).
       He got a MSQ-700 instaed...
    
    Dave
317.2YesERLANG::FEHSKENSMon Apr 28 1986 14:3037
    Hmm, missed this one first time around.
    
    What do you mean by chaining?  Synching them together in parallel
    or serially.  The former is straightforward, the latter virtually
    impossible.
    
    By parallel, I mean they both play at the same time, one serving
    as the master clock, the other as a slave.  I do this all the time
    not for performance reasons but to move data between my MSQ-700
    (where I do time correct and multitrack merge) and my MSQ-100 (where
    I do inserts and deletes and exotic step mode programming).  Just
    route the MIDI out of the master to the MIDI in of the slave, set
    the master to internal clock, and the slave to MIDI/external clock,
    start the slave (it will hang, waiting for a MIDI clock) then start
    the master (the slave will also start).  I have done this to do
    "overdubs" too, so it will work when you just want both to play
    rather than have one play while the other records (i.e., I have
    overdubbed from one MSQ to the other).
    
    By serially, I mean when one sequencer stops the other starts, keeping
    perfect synch.  I know of no sequencer that such a facility.  This
    could be done with a suitable MIDI system exclusive message, or
    maybe just by having the first sequencer send a START command over
    an appropriate channel to another sequencer.  My MSQs emit clock
    even when not playing, so they could stay in synch if there was
    some way to start the second sequencer in the chain. 

    What my band did in live situations was use the two sequencers serially,
    but not automatically.  We did this to get around absolute memory
    limitations, but we never split a song across the two sequencers.
    We'd put 6 songs in one and two songs in the other, slave them together
    and set the tempo with one and have the other display current bar
    number for cues (the MSQs can display tempo or bar number, but not
    both at the same time).
    
    len. 
    
317.3Pure AcademiaMENTOR::COTESue me if I play too long...Tue Apr 29 1986 12:5613
    Since I'm upgrading the JX3-P to get out of OMNI, this note is now
    purely academic, but anyhow...
    
    I hoped to put them in "parallel", using one as a master timing
    module and the other as slave (natch). But here's the catch...
    I want one to feed data to the JX ONLY and the other to feed the
    Yamaha. Since the JX would have a dedicated sequencer, it would
    effectively be OMNI OFF'd, yet everything would still be in synch.
    
    Still not sure if I could do it, but it doesn't matter too much
    now anywho.
    
    Edd
317.4MSQs can do itERLANG::FEHSKENSTue Apr 29 1986 16:3517
    There's two ways you can get what you want; my Rolands will do either
    but I don't know about your gear.
    
    1)  use a different sync than MIDI.  I can sync my two MSQs together
    	using their Roland DIN sync interface.  Then their MIDI outputs
    	are completely independent of one another except for timing.
    
    2)  use MIDI to sync, but make sure the slave sequencer is not in
    	"mix" mode.  In mix mode, the sequencer merges incoming data
    	with internally originated data, and both appear at the MIDI
   	out.  When not in mix mode, incoming data appears only at the
    	MIDI thru, and only internally originated data appears at the
    	MIDI out.  This way the two sequencers would play in sync but
    	keep their data streams separate.
    
    len.
    
317.5Yeah, it works....JAWS::COTEBarabajangle...Wed Jul 23 1986 16:4420
    Sunday I got a chance to do some practical experimentation along
    these lines. A friend appeared at my doorstep holding a Roland
    Juno-2, a Sequential Circuits TOM, and a second QX21. Not 5 minutes
    later, everything was synched and running.
    
    How? Like this....
    
    Connect QX21(a) "thru" to QX21(b) "in". Set (a) as master and (b)
    as slave. Connect (b) "thru" to TOM in. Set TOM to slaved. (The
    TOM would only work on a "thru" port.) Record 1 bar of nothing on
    (b) and place it in infinite repeat mode.
    
    DX21 "out" to QX(a) "in". QX(a) "out" to RX21 (drums) "in". RX "out"
    to DX "in". DX "thru" to Mirage "in". Mirage "thru" to JX "in".
    
    Nothing needed to be started other than QX(a). That is, nothing
    needed to be "hung" whilst waiting for the clock to start. All
    was started by pressing "start" on (a).
    
    Edd